Just try imagining Ultron voiced by David Spade. Instantly loses his gravitas.
How about Kevin Spacey?
Just try imagining Ultron voiced by David Spade. Instantly loses his gravitas.
How about Kevin Spacey?
How about Kevin Spacey?
It was in reference to the corrections of David Spader. Spacey would be great, of course, like he is in everything.
It was in reference to the corrections of David Spader. Spacey would be great, of course, like he is in everything.
I know, but its fun playing the what if game.
I know, but its fun playing the what if game.
Imagine Patrick Warburton as Ultron. Less sinister, more "humans as a species are dumb. You too, Thor."
Or how about James Earl Jones? Too obvious?
Warburton? Ugh no, great voice but definitely not for villainy. Jeremy Irons now….that's different.
Yeah the Warburton was a joke. I'd love for him to play some idiot superhero though.
Oooh, Jeremy Irons. Love his Scar drawl. Alan Rickman could get in on the action too.
Watched AOU last night.
Slightly disappointed in that it doesn't quite hold up to the first film. There's not as much whedonesque dialogue in this one, though what there is of it is as good as ever. I probably wouldn't choose to rewatch it anytime soon.
Shoutout to James Spader though, who is as incredible as ever and was by far the highlight of the film(as his day job he currently keeps the medicore Blacklist going seemingly by his will alone). Listening to him chewing up the scenery makes me miss Boston Legal all the more.
Yeah the Warburton was a joke. I'd love for him to play some idiot superhero though.
What's that from? Live action Bug's Life?
insert google here
The Tick, huh? I'll have to add it to my watch list.
Shoutout to James Spader though, who is as incredible as ever and was by far the highlight of the film(as his day job he currently keeps the medicore Blacklist going seemingly by his will alone). Listening to him chewing up the scenery makes me miss Boston Legal all the more.
Spader loves being a villain. And why wouldn't he? The villain roles are often the best.
SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!
What's that from? Live action Bug's Life?
insert google here
The Tick, huh? I'll have to add it to my watch list.
How can you not know the Tick?
Don't forget. Not everyone was born in our time.
How can you not know the Tick?
Not everyone watched Fox Kids in the 90's or….....watched the live action version of the Tick.
Yeah, I often forget how old I am :(
Yeah the Warburton was a joke. I'd love for him to play some idiot superhero though.
He would have been a perfect Captain Marvel….
Slightly disappointed in that it doesn't quite hold up to the first film. There's not as much whedonesque dialogue in this one, though what there is of it is as good as ever. I probably wouldn't choose to rewatch it anytime soon.
Sounds like a plus to me, I hate Whedon-speak. I like a lot of his actors but I don't like any of his shows :\
Well I don't think Whedon will direct another Marvel film again, especially with all the crap he's been talking about Marvel.
lol yeah, Whedon has definintely been taking the time this past week to air all his grievances. And to praise DC for their develping movieverse.
He bashed the part of bringing back Coulson and yet he wrote the first episode of AOS and his brother and sister in law are the showrunners. He makes points of saying its not connected to the movies and yet they are…then he made a joke about how he made more money making Dr. Terrible than the first Avengers.
Talk about burning bridges...
And he mentioned that AoS never should've been made because they always knew about TWS' twist. And that Edgar Wright's Ant-Man script was the best Marvel script he ever read.
Sounds like a plus to me, I hate Whedon-speak. I like a lot of his actors but I don't like any of his shows :\
I can agree, at least partly. I like a good deal of his work but Whedon's got a bad habit of writing dialogue where everyone's just a bit too clever and everybody's always got to have a sarcastic quip.
Well I don't think Whedon will direct another Marvel film again, especially with all the crap he's been talking about Marvel.
From what I gather, Whedon typically has negative things to say about most of the projects that he's worked on. At best, it's regretting not killing Xander off in the final season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. At worst, it's blaming everybody involved, sans himself, for the failure of Alien: Resurrection.
I feel like Joss's snarky writing worked well with Buffy or Firefly, but Marvel, not so much. Like, it works for Iron Man, or more importantly Robert Downey Jr, but it makes Steve seem so out of character. I don't think Joss is a BAD writer, but he has strengths and weaknesses like any other writer.
AoU spoilers
[hide]Not to mention, the character death he has in AoU just feels off. I mean, Coulson had time to build himself. He was in other movies than Avengers, but the character in AoU? Only one movie.
Then again, they might not be dead if the rumor of the actor being signed for multiple movies is true. If the character is confirmed to be brought back, I GUESS that makes sense as to why Joss is so pissy. The guy enjoys killing characters off and letting their deaths really put a damper on the viewers. And that's fine. Character deaths make for great drama and story, but they're not always effective and sometimes you can't have a story with character deaths.[/hide]
You know there's a problem when Playboy has an article that best articulates the problem(s) that Black Widow faces as a member of the Avengers:
http://www.playboy.com/articles/this-is-why-black-widow-got-slut-shamed
You know there's a problem when Playboy has an article that best articulates the problem(s) that Black Widow faces as a member of the Avengers:
http://www.playboy.com/articles/this-is-why-black-widow-got-slut-shamed
Uh….wtf?
Besides the actual content which I don't even want to get into and I actively avoid getting into conversations about, did a playboy article have the word "cis" in it? For real? The same playboy created by Hugh Hefner?
Uh….wtf?
Besides the actual content which I don't even want to get into and I actively avoid getting into conversations about, did a playboy article have the word "cis" in it? For real? The same playboy created by Hugh Hefner?
Hey, you read it for the articles.
Meh. Porn is porn. The enjoyment of the sexual body does not define one's own respect for gender and sexuality. Time's change.
Not saying I'd consider Playboy the next Feminist Frequency, but I'd expect interesting things from unusual places.
On the subject matter, I've heard whispers of something real icky in terms of Black Widow's backstory in AoU. It's a shame, cause I really like MCU Black Widow as a character. Saw Iron Man 2, and even then, she's pretty likable and interesting.
Just for clarification, I'm not hating on AoU. I'm excited and I think I'm going to like the movie a lot. Regardless, there's always things to critique.
How has this not been posted yet
Jeremy Reiner is the best avenger
He bashed the part of bringing back Coulson and yet he wrote the first episode of AOS and his brother and sister in law are the showrunners. He makes points of saying its not connected to the movies and yet they are…then he made a joke about how he made more money making Dr. Terrible than the first Avengers.
Talk about burning bridges...
AoS wasn't his decision, it was something Marvel wanted him to "develop" and it was their decision to keep Coulson alive.
I'm fie with Joss being done with them if it means we get Dr. Horrible 2 now.
Playboy hasn't been just that kind of Playboy in a good long while.
I'm trying very hard to avoid spoilers for Age of Ultron, especially since most of you will be talking about it in a day or two.
…So to those who have seen it, if there are any....I ask this. This upcoming weekend at the movies will perhaps one of the busiest and most frustrating of my entire time there, even more insanely hectic than Fast 7. I might snap and suffer a nervous breakdown. I might numbly contemplate my life choices as I dart back and forth, eyes sagging from lack of sleep.
As someone loved the first movie but isn't too familar with the comic series, is it worth the wait?
As someone who really likes the first film, doesn't really care about the comic series, and has watched the second one:
Yes.
As someone loved the first movie but isn't too familar with the comic series, is it worth the wait?
Age of Ultron was awesome. Slightly less awesome than The Avengers in my opinion, but still very much awesome. And I say this as someone who hasn't read a single comic featuring any of the characters involved.
Sansa :wub:
OH MY GAD
Jubilee is the cutest thing ever! Where are the sunglasses?!
Also Sophie looks much better there! Except for the hair…
Can we get all the 80ies fashion back, haha.
Alright, almost 6 pm on the West Coast, time for me to go assemble.
AoU spoilers
! Well, ok, the movie was great but not as good as the first Avengers. First off I did not like the relationship between Bruce and Natasha. It felt extremely forced and was off putting to me. I didn't feel any chemistry between them and I simply didn't care for their scenes together. Really, did they have to be a couple? Did they have to!?
! Ultron was a great villain personality and character wise but his plan didn't make sense. Like, no sense at all. He wasn't crazy, he wasn't vengeful, and he wasn't stupid. He was a highly logical computer going for the cliché 'I must destroy the human race to save them' nonsensical robot think. Lazy writing to make him a bad guy who couldn't see reason. Speaking of lazy writing, what the hell was up with Thor in that magical pool of water and having a vision which led him to wake up Vision??? I feel like I missed something. Like it was mentioned or hinted at in a previous Thor film but I just don't remember it because surely they didn't just throw it in there for super convenience sake. Thor definitely had the weakest Avenger showing.
! On the other end Vision was great all around. The use of the hammer gag to make him instantly trustworthy. His wit and humor. His Jarvis voice. For a character introduced in the last few acts of the film he was as fleshed out as he could be and he did everything right. The humor and team interactions were great fun. Hawkeye was epic in everything he did (including his speech to Scralett Witch) and is family life was a welcome surprise. The action scenes were very well done though some segments were hard to follow. I got extremely excited when they mentioned Wakanda and THANK GOD that wasn't actually Wakanda in the film. I would have trashed the whole thing if they turned one of the most technologically advanced societies in the world into that.
! And I might be the only one here to have felt something for Quicksilvers death. His character was likable and the siblings had a sympathetic backstory you could root for even before they joined The Avengers. Didn't like how they didn't confront Stark but, ok, they're going to save that for another movie. I understand that but by then it'll have lost its potency because Scralett smilingly joined The New Avengers and no matter how you look at it Stark/Iron Man is always going to have a connection and association with them. By the time Scralett confronts Stark the anger we might have felt won't be as fresh as it was when her brother was with her. Only sadness.
! Last but not least I think they had a good balance of side/minor characters. War Machine, Falcon, and Nick Fury. They played their roles well and while the first 2 could of had a liiiitllle more screentime I think what they got was good in the end. Haha, The Avengers is white as hell.
Quickie review:
Solid B. Good jokes; they made me like Ultron, which I thought was impossible; but the overall bleak tone and rushed pacing (can we please see the 3.5 hour original cut?) really hurt it for me. Overall, while the plot was solid, it just wasn't fun–which, oddly enough, is the exact reverse problem I had with the first film.
AoU spoilers
! Well, ok, the movie was great but not as good as the first Avengers. First off I did not like the relationship between Bruce and Natasha. It felt extremely forced and was off putting to me. I didn't feel any chemistry between them and I simply didn't care for their scenes together. Really, did they have to be a couple? Did they have to!?
! Eh, to each his own, I found it kinda endearing personally. Natasha worries that all she's good for is being a murder machine, and Banner is the guy on the team most adverse, most reluctant to fighting. Just a decent guy, helping out despite hating what it does to him. Neither of them really loves what they're doing but are damned good at it, so I think it kinda works.
! Ultron was a great villain personality and character wise but his plan didn't make sense. Like, no sense at all. He wasn't crazy, he wasn't vengeful, and he wasn't stupid. He was a highly logical computer going for the cliché 'I must destroy the human race to save them' nonsensical robot think. Lazy writing to make him a bad guy who couldn't see reason.
! I'm going to have to disagree with you here, because the thing I loved most about Ultron is that he seemed truly insane. Malformed, but well-meaning in a twisted sort of way. When he is born he is confused and disoriented, and can barely even articulate his attack on "the other guy. Didn't wanna do it. Seemed like a nice guy". Then, as the movie goes on, he keeps forgetting common phrases, and having wild mood swings alternating between grandiose posturing and childishness. Just look as when he cuts off Klaws arm in irrational anger, and immediately follows it with "Whoops! Sorry about that, hahahaha!"
! Speaking of lazy writing, what the hell was up with Thor in that magical pool of water and having a vision which led him to wake up Vision??? I feel like I missed something. Like it was mentioned or hinted at in a previous Thor film but I just don't remember it because surely they didn't just throw it in there for super convenience sake. Thor definitely had the weakest Avenger showing.
! Yeah, agreed on the last bit, and that pool was super out of place. But out of all the Avengers Thor has the closest connection to, and the most knowledge of the Infinity stones, and his character arc is about him worrying over the responsibility of Asgard and letting everyone down. Thats why he left in the end, is my interpretation at least.
! And I might be the only one here to have felt something for Quicksilvers death. His character was likable and the siblings had a sympathetic backstory you could root for even before they joined The Avengers.
! Nah, me too. When he died I was like "What? No! He was just starting to get cool! Goddammit"
Liked Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy better, but Age of Ultron was a solid movie overall. I will say though I think it's fair to say the lower reviews relative to other Marvel films is warranted.
! i dunno if the love/complexity of Ultron really shined through. Yes, he's an AI with both daddy issues and immaturity from just being born, but I dunno. The whole puppet strings song kinda got muddled and I can't tell if his plan is meant to be a rebellious act against daddy Stark or if he just wanted to destroy the human race for the betterment of it. I guess in short, the complexities of his character weren't allowed to shine through given the vast amount of characters. That said, I was fine with his plan of a meteor striking the earth and even his form getting destroyed constantly (though as an AI I dunno why hacking into Tony's suit was out of the question. And keeping Natasha alive was pretty B.S. )
! All in all the loads of characters really hurt the story than helped it this time around. And not every joke hit, or scene, but there's still a lot of laughs to be had.
! Thor and Steve definitely got the short end of the stick this time around, but they do have their own movies so I can understand that. Thor in particular though definitely had a bigger role that was cut, or at least it felt that way. And yeah, I thought/still think Steve held back trying to lift Thor's hammer, but the conversation with him at the end makes me question if Steve really was genuine
! For Tony, blowing up the suits only to come back for the Avengers could have used more of an explanation. Otherwise, his story was solid and the ending starts the path of Tony finding his own route which makes Civil War make more sense down the line I think
! I found some scenes between Banner/Natasha cute, and both Steve's scene with Banner and Clint being told about the two of them were great moments. While I wasn't completely compelled by the romance, the Hulk making his choice at the end probably was the scene that pulled the most emotion from me, which actually says a lot about the film's emotional moments, though I spoiled myself so I knew all the twists and turns.
! Hawkeye was the MVP, which given the first movie makes sense. I have a strange feeling though Joss' initial script had him die. I dunno, ultimately feel like he would have been the correct choice. He had the most to lose, and it would've hit hard especially since the beginning of the movie a lot of the team ragged on Hawkeye as being superfluous to the team. His death would've had the biggest impact in-universe, and from the audience given the great development from the film.
! Conversely, I guess given how much people loved X-Men's Quicksilver it made sense to not try to compete, but his death didn't sell. I didn't hate him though. If anything I wish he had more screentime and didn't kick the bucket. Shame though Quicksilver was only given one stand out line that was repeated so much it'll probably be the only thing people remember about him. He had a lot of great visual jokes in the film though. Some of my favorite funny moments were Quicksilver moments.
! Wanda's moments were solid but not a standout in the film IMO. Hopefully she'll have some great material in future movies.
! Vision was also great despite his limited screentime. The way he pondered life was performed well, along with his conversations. And his action scenes were also great. Shame he's probably going to die in the future films (I can't imagine Thanos not getting the Mind Gem from him). And Vision's role in Civil War is also interesting to ponder, given the presumably vast amount of power Vision must have, especially compared to the other super heroes.
! War Machine being more than comic relief would be nice. Wonder if we'll see more of Kim. Personally felt Hill/Fury were just there even if they were the solution to the final scene.
! Looking forward to the unedited version of the film.
! > First off I did not like the relationship between Bruce and Natasha. It felt extremely forced and was off putting to me. I didn't feel any chemistry between them and I simply didn't care for their scenes together. Really, did they have to be a couple? Did they have to!?
! Hmm, I guess I was one of the few people who enjoyed their relationship. I thought it was kinda fitting that the man trying to hold back the monster inside of him and the woman who has done unmentionable things in her life start to feel connected to each other. Also, I think it makes watching the scenes in the first one, where she is really terrified of the Hulk, much more interesting. Personally I was fearing Black Widow and Captain America would hook up, so I prefer this more unusual choice for a pairing. Black Window in general continues to be one of my favorite characters in the MCU. Her very grim and dark backstory was an interesting look into her character, too, especially because the viewers actually didnt really know that much about her past yet. ! > Speaking of lazy writing, what the hell was up with Thor in that magical pool of water and having a vision which led him to wake up Vision??? ! Heh, yeah that should have been explained better. I didn
t understand why he needed Selvigs help, either. (I was happy to see him, nonetheless). Thor
s part in the movie was basically setup for Thor 3, I thought.
! > And I might be the only one here to have felt something for Quicksilvers death. His character was likable and the siblings had a sympathetic backstory you could root for even before they joined The Avengers.
! Nope, I was sad to. He was pretty funny and cool. I was also pretty surprised because I was convinced Hawkeye would die.
! @Gizmo:
! > Hawkeye was the MVP, which given the first movie makes sense. I have a strange feeling though Joss' initial script had him die. I dunno, ultimately feel like he would have been the correct choice. He had the most to lose, and it would've hit hard especially since the beginning of the movie a lot of the team ragged on Hawkeye as being superfluous to the team. His death would've had the biggest impact in-universe, and from the audience given the great development from the film.
! I really was convinced that Hawkeye was being set up to die, too. I think in the beginning Tony made some smartass remarks about him dying, and when he told his wife that this would be his last mission…yeah. The whole climax long, I was waiting for him to do something heroic and then die a tragic death, and Im not sure if it was just me or if the movie really was dropping subtle hints about his fate. I mean, that moment when he is about to leave in order to survive, but then sees that little boy ( I think he was stuck or something), takes a deep breath and decides to go save him...it just seemed like he was making a live or die decision here and that he would save the kid but die in the process. So when Ultron starts shooting and closing in on Hawkeye and the boy, and Hawkeye moves in front of him to shield him...that was the moment I was dreading. So Quicksilver jumping in and saving his life actually was a huge twist for me, and I think I liked it. While Hawkeye dying would have worked with the setup I just explained (although it would have put a huuuuge damper on the finale of the film), I feel like the movie subtly played with story conventions and instead killed a character that I don
t think anybody would have expected to die.
! I really was convinced that Hawkeye was being set up to die, too. I think in the beginning Tony made some smartass remarks about him dying, and when he told his wife that this would be his last mission…yeah. The whole climax long, I was waiting for him to do something heroic and then die a tragic death, and I
m not sure if it was just me or if the movie really was dropping subtle hints about his fate. I mean, that moment when he is about to leave in order to survive, but then sees that little boy ( I think he was stuck or something), takes a deep breath and decides to go save him...it just seemed like he was making a live or die decision here and that he would save the kid but die in the process. So when Ultron starts shooting and closing in on Hawkeye and the boy, and Hawkeye moves in front of him to shield him...that was the moment I was dreading. So Quicksilver jumping in and saving his life actually was a huge twist for me, and I think I liked it. While Hawkeye dying would have worked with the setup I just explained (although it would have put a huuuuge damper on the finale of the film), I feel like the movie subtly played with story conventions and instead killed a character that I don
t think anybody would have expected to die.
! Good point. Like I said, I spoiled myself so I knew what was going to happen. Ad it makes Quicksilver's line at the end more meta. But I guess even without knowing, the final scene set it up in such a manner that made it seem like he was going to die when he went out to save that kid that it seemed clear someone was going to jump in and die in his place just because it was very telegraphed something bad was going to happen when he tried to save that kid, though I guess Hawkeye could have been written to have died in that scene, I guess I just thought the story would've tried to make it seem like someone else was going to die and Hawkeye would have swooped in and died in that person's place instead.
! QS dying instead of Hawkeye seemed like an intentional subversion. QS died PROTECTING Hawkeye whom the movie hinted a lot was going to be the one who bit it. That and the whole scene with tired Clint looking down on QS's body had a very "Why him and not me?" feel to it. Thought it had more of a tragic impact, the young hopeful generation dying when you least expect it opposed to the old generation dying when you most expect it
I've seen AoU I liked the first one a bit more but it was great nonetheless. And it a good sign when you watch a 2'20 movie and it feels short.
Also, I probably enjoyed it more than I expected to because I read some opinions saying "not as good as…" or "bad" that killed my hype.
Spoilers for the movie:
! Some points:
! New characters:
! I think it would've been better without the need to link with all the other franchises of the MCU (Thor vision was 15% for this movie and 85% setup for Ragnarok/Infinty Wars; Falcon cameos at he party but not during the battle; all the Banner/Hulk problems so that he can leave and not interfere during Civil War -Ok, this is only an assumption-).
Saw AOU. Really making me want to get into marvel proper. I need to see thor 2 just for the sake of it but i might start watching agents of shield and Daredevil as they fit into the MCU. Back to AOU, i don't know how to feel when compared to the other one:
! On the one hand i found the beginning of this film super slow although the hulk part and the whole final act once vision appears was great. However i remember liking the first movie the whole way through. On the other hand i much prefer the interactions between the characters in this one. They felt believable like they actually were friends unlike the first film which feels a bit stale. I also really, really liked Hawkeye in this one, a massive turn-around after avengers 1 where he just seemed like an idiot the whole time.
Also can i just say that i would be all for a Thanos movie if they make it like the 1970s Spider-man thanos
! Running around doing stupid shit like stealing from kids and just being a pain. He has a thanoscopter at one point. Shit is gold.
Watched the movie yesterday, love it. A lot of fun and the action set pieces where insane. But a couple of scenes bother me:
! The magical cavern with Thor was very rushed and didn´t make any sense. And the other big problem was the Black Widow getting captured scene. Why Ultron would let her alive is never explained, i was hoping he would use her as bait for The Hulk, and he would been responsible for sending the green guy to space. That would have made much more sense to me. Like a little victory for him, because let´s face it. Ultron was a funny villain, but he got his ass kicked!
! The magical cavern with Thor was very rushed and didn´t make any sense. And the other big problem was the Black Widow getting captured scene. Why Ultron would let her alive is never explained, i was hoping he would use her as bait for The Hulk, and he would been responsible for sending the green guy to space. That would have made much more sense to me. Like a little victory for him, because let´s face it. Ultron was a funny villain, but he got his ass kicked!
! Ultron is a child who had just lost his friends Wanda and Pietro. He wanted somebody to witness his evolution so he kidnapped Black Widow and let her live. In the end he also says that he wanted it to end with all of them against all of him.
! About Hawkeye and Quicksilver:
After about the fifth death flag raised by Hawkeye I was certain he wouldn't die after all. Then I recalled a scene from the trailer in which Wanda falls to the ground screaming and I knew Quicksilver wouldn't come out of this alive. And I was also surprisingly moved by his death. I think a big part of it was Wanda's reaction, actually.
Just came back from the theaters.
Was it as good as the first film? No.
Was it one of the top 3 MCU films? No.
WHO CARES IT WAS AWESOME!
Thoroughly enjoyed it, willing to turn many blind eyes to faults of the movie because it was FUN. And that's what matters.
! And the award for most unexpected cameo goes to Idris Elba!