Yeah we need some history to understand why he saved Ace and Luffy just for the sake of trolling.
Maybe he wanted to use Pluton against the World Government all along.
He must really hate them to help Luffy and Whitebeard, the two pirates who defeated him.
Chapter 783: Path Blocking
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One shouldn't start a post with "everything before my post is crap" unless his post really is on a whole other level. That's it.
Well you have a point though he is kind of right with quality of posts being considerably lower than few days ago
Crocodile is a cool guy and seeing his past would be cool. His relationship with Iva, what he did in the New World previously, and his current plans. Oda is hinting a return, but as for the reason I can't say?
I think Iva was friend of Crocodiles first captain.
It would be funny if Croco started being pirate on Okamas ship and thats what he wanted to keep secret.
Crocodiles weakness is his pride so it would make sense if he would want Iva to keep for himself something like Croco being somebody like cabin boy on Okamas ship.
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Crocodile started a revolution from the shadows, maybe he used to be a real revolutionary that mainly uses manipulation to control the crowd.
Dragon didn't like his methods and banned him.very good theory
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Crocodile started a revolution from the shadows, maybe he used to be a real revolutionary that mainly uses manipulation to control the crowd.
Dragon didn't like his methods and banned him.Wouldn't Croco say something to/about Luffy if it was Luffy's dad who kicked him out of the organization? On the positive side it makes Crocodiles helping the Luffy vs the marines in MF make more sense. I like this theory tbh, but I think whatever Crocodile's past is, it will be related more to WB and his grudge against him more than Dragon.
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@vlad:
very good theory
Its very bad theory for a number of reasons.
Biggest being Crocodile doing everything what he did for his gain at cost of people.
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@NER:
Wouldn't Croco say something to/about Luffy if it was Luffy's dad who kicked him out of the organization? On the positive side it makes Crocodiles helping the Luffy vs the marines in MF make more sense. I like this theory tbh, but I think whatever Crocodile's past is, it will be related more to WB and his grudge against him more than Dragon.
Well most of the revolutionaries did not know about Dragon having a son.
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Well, marines have some pretty good info on every pirates. Yet 100 000 marines were shoked when Sengoku revealed the identity of Luffy's father.
Maybe Crocodile didn't know either at this point.
After all some characters have yet to understand that old Sabo=young Sabo.
Yes I'm talking about you Dadan. -
Well most of the revolutionaries did not know about Dragon having a son.
that's.. A good point.
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@NER:
Wouldn't Croco say something to/about Luffy if it was Luffy's dad who kicked him out of the organization? On the positive side it makes Crocodiles helping the Luffy vs the marines in MF make more sense. I like this theory tbh, but I think whatever Crocodile's past is, it will be related more to WB and his grudge against him more than Dragon.
None of the Revolutionaries know anything about Dragon's past. Even Ivankov didn't know about Dragon having a son, let alone Luffy being the said son.
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Yeah we need some history to understand why he saved Ace and Luffy just for the sake of trolling.
Maybe he wanted to use Pluton against the World Government all along.
He must really hate them to help Luffy and Whitebeard, the two pirates who defeated him.Crocodile is probably just a big tsundere.
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Hm there is also the possibility that he was under the control of Miss Goldenweek's undelible Colors Trap all along…behehehe
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He was washed by Luffy during the second fight.
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All past enemies make a comeback one way or another, I would verymuch like to see Enel again.
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He was washed by Luffy during the second fight.
After which he started losing. COINCIDENCE!?
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All past enemies make a comeback one way or another, I would verymuch like to see Enel again.
If we don't see him again before this manga ends I'll be very disappointed.
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Its very bad theory for a number of reasons.
Biggest being Crocodile doing everything what he did for his gain at cost of people.
so why does not that fit?
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Its very bad theory for a number of reasons.
Biggest being Crocodile doing everything what he did for his gain at cost of people.
The kind of revolutionary that doesn't fight for freedom but to become the new tyrant. Exactly why Dragon would have banned him.
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*This is what Luffy's Gear 4 will be
Gear 1(Normal):*We assume it's his normal state.
Gear 2(Speed):*Luffy squeezes his legs to forcibly pump more blood flow, therefore increasing his speed and flexibility for a momentary period. Luffy doesn't necessarily increase his power but it looks as if he's stronger because of the fact that Speed = Weight.
Gear 3(Strength/Power):*Bite his thumb to create opening in his bone where he blows air hard as he can where it increases his size of a limb like a balloon. This slows down his speed but increases his physical strength.Gear 4(Durability/Defense):*As Luffy is rubber and already able to withstand physical attacks but against swords or cutting power, he'll still get cut. Luffy can also lessen the damage from Haki attacks with this. Also, G2+G3+Haki won't be enough when fighting against top notch guys in the future. I believe he'll need Gear 4 as well.
Basically, Luffy will need to go Gear 2 and pump out even more blood to get started, normally Gear 2 should increase his speed but he's only pumping more blood for momentary time period, where he increases his blood flow and speeds up his molecules. His heart will beat faster than ever and he'll then quickly revert back to normal and he'll cools down immediately. This will make ordinary rubber harden and become much more durable, not only it makes him defensive, his overall punches and kicks are stronger because the rubber is hardened(similar to vulcanization). The drawback is that his speed will remain normal and his stretching capability has reduced, close to Luffy Oz level.
The method to break out of Gear 4 and revert to normal is sucking his thumb which will slowly warm his thumb, then he'll bite his thumb and turn Gear 3. It will crack the harden body of his and return to his normal state. The weakness of this technique is rapid heating which will turn him back to Gear 2.In the end, he'll have wide array of techniques to use against the right opponent he faces.
The above old thread in 2011 this came from suddenly becomes interesting.
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The above old thread in 2011 this came from suddenly becomes interesting.
That goes a lot in line with what I've been imagining. Minus all the details with the activation.
It should provide a steady balance between power and speed, but it should also be something that can't be spammed indefinitely.
I could imagine full body Haki being used as a tool to allow him to use G4 longer than he should be able to, by protecting his body parts from exploding or something.
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With all the anticipation… time to switch to Swirlyhats?
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None of the Revolutionaries know anything about Dragon's past. Even Ivankov didn't know about Dragon having a son, let alone Luffy being the said son.
Kuma and sabo so far. Unless kuma and sengoku only learned after garp spilling the beans at end of water seven.
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Gear 4 will have stronger attacks than gear 3, faster speed than gear 2, while keeping his normal size.
Perhaps it can only be used for a short period of time. Just like Goku's Kaio-ken attack. -
I figured Gear 4 to be pointless I was looking forward to Luffy utilizing his unlocked abilities already with a mix of haki, since I'm wrong I want Oda to show off this new " Gear 4 " with something unique. I do realize that he is asking for everyone to get off the platform so maybe he might destroy the whole cliff.
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Gear 4 will have stronger attacks than gear 3, faster speed than gear 2, while keeping his normal size.
Perhaps it can only be used for a short period of time. Just like Goku's Kaio-ken attack.Gear second works like Kaio-ken already. I'm expecting if anything it's a one hit technique. He uses it once or twice and he's done.
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Gear 4 will have stronger attacks than gear 3, faster speed than gear 2, while keeping his normal size.
Perhaps it can only be used for a short period of time. Just like Goku's Kaio-ken attack.My theory is if he gets stopped it goes.
String trap plot.
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Mkaay, GoT is back, next chap with G4 comes next week and Age of Ultron comes next month.
What a perfect moment to be alive
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I wonder if Doffy will ever do an attack called "dinamite" since when pronounced it would follow the pattern of his moves with "dainamaITO"
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I decided to read through most of the new World stuff and just got caught up the other day. Figure this is the best place for some of my thoughts/questions.
Why was Momo important to Doflamingo? Maybe that will be part of the following arc.
Luffy obviously didn't destroy fishman Island, that's probably yet to come. The only reason I bring it up is because Reverie was mentioned in Fishman island arc heavily and they also mentioned briefly in the current arc. I imagine it will be a pretty big event like the warlord meetings, or Ace v. Blackbeard thing.
Gear 4 is probably the combination of Gear 3 and Gear 2 right? It was pretty obvious that he was too weak when using gear 2 and too slow when using gear 3.
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Gear 4 is probably the combination of Gear 3 and Gear 2 right? It was pretty obvious that he was too weak when using gear 2 and too slow when using gear 3.
If that is the case, then he used it already in Thriller Bark.
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If that is the case, then he used it already in Thriller Bark.
I said the same thing a few pages back. I'm pretty sure Chopper commented on it as well that it's dangerous to be doing both at once. Tried looking for that chapter but can't find it.
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If that is the case, then he used it already in Thriller Bark.
And it would be boring and like "o"
Also 2+3=4
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@DHL:
And it would be boring and like "o"
Also 2+3=4
I disagree , if Oda can make it look interesting ( which he always does ) there shouldn't be a problem if its both at the same time.
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I disagree , if Oda can make it look interesting ( which he always does ) there shouldn't be a problem if its both at the same time.
HAWK ELEPHANT GUN YEA IT WOULD BE STRONG
Yes it will make Luffys punches hit "harder" but it really doesn't help the fact that Doflamingo finds him "wide open" for attack.
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@vlad:
so why does not that fit?
The kind of revolutionary that doesn't fight for freedom but to become the new tyrant. Exactly why Dragon would have banned him.
I don't see how this contradicts the theory.Because its against whole ideology of being Revolutionary.
Crocodiles real dream as it was confirmed in cover story - when he was still in first prison - was to become Pirate King.
Not to be king in a crown of some country. Crocodile was after ancient weapon as well.Also your "theory" the way you put it now would make Doflamingo possibly a revolutionary as well So for me its kind of bad theory.
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Well you have a point though he is kind of right with quality of posts being considerably lower than few days ago
I think Iva was friend of Crocodiles first captain.
It would be funny if Croco started being pirate on Okamas ship and thats what he wanted to keep secret.
Crocodiles weakness is his pride so it would make sense if he would want Iva to keep for himself something like Croco being somebody like cabin boy on Okamas ship.
I dont believe in Crocodile being woman - it would be too obvious for Oda.I like that theory a lot more than Crocodile being a woman in the past. That would explain his pride and possibly lead to Funny interactions between the two.
Maybe Crocodile was a cabin boy, but didn't want to become a full fledged okama, so he left and tried to start his own country where he wouldn't be forced to do that. I know it's a really dumb theory, but it would be funny.
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@Bartholemew:
With all the anticipation… time to switch to Swirlyhats?
Please no… As much as I want to see Brook and Chopper it would be bad seeing them do awesome stuff just to have us come back to Dressrosa for its conclusion. I like this arc don't get me wrong, but I want it to end so we can see new things. It's fatigued me.
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Please no… As much as I want to see Brook and Chopper it would be bad seeing them do awesome stuff just to have us come back to Dressrosa for its conclusion. I like this arc don't get me wrong, but I want it to end so we can see new things. It's fatigued me.
Yeah this ark has been all over the place, I just hope next chapter lets us see the rest of Luffy's fight and not other characters doing something else.
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Swirlyhats will appear after Doffy dies when Jinbei shows up to help them at the perfect time
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i wonder if luffy's gear 4th would be like this
then mingo will be 1 hit ko
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i wonder if luffy's gear 4th would be like this
[qimg]http://i.minus.com/ibsTOhc7EGpqax.gif[/qimg]then mingo will be 1 hit ko
Would that be considered a gatling gun attack?
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in gatling gun attack only his two arms moving so fast.
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I like that theory a lot more than Crocodile being a woman in the past. That would explain his pride and possibly lead to Funny interactions between the two.
Maybe Crocodile was a cabin boy, but didn't want to become a full fledged okama, so he left and tried to start his own country where he wouldn't be forced to do that. I know it's a really dumb theory, but it would be funny.
Please no… As much as I want to see Brook and Chopper it would be bad seeing them do awesome stuff just to have us come back to Dressrosa for its conclusion. I like this arc don't get me wrong, but I want it to end so we can see new things. It's fatigued me.
Surely Crocodiles past is somehow tied with Okamas. In SBS Volume 56, a fan asked Oda why Crocodile was wearing his own clothes since he was still in prisoner clothes after he's released, Oda replied that he went to Newkama Land and got his clothes from there. Also Crocodiles flag might hint to something
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And fact he gotten himself a strong Okama as Mr 2 of his organization. -
1 Week to gear 4 everybody! We can do this, stay alive however you can!
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1 Week to gear 4 everybody! We can do this, stay alive however you can!
Inb4 scene change to Sabo vs. Burgess
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Because its against whole ideology of being Revolutionary.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY DRAGON WOULD HAVE BANNED HIM. THAT IS THE THEORY. Are you even listening.
Crocodiles real dream as it was confirmed in cover story - when he was still in first prison - was to become Pirate King.
Now that is a good counter argument. (Though one could argue that he was planing on using the revolutionaries to reach this goal aswell. And got banned. But now it really is fanfiction.)
Not to be king in a crown of some country. Crocodile was after ancient weapon as well.
Obviously he wanted the ancient weapon to rule over something.
Also your "theory" the way you put it now would make Doflamingo possibly a revolutionary as well So for me its kind of bad theory
Why people always feel the need to add "if your theory is right, then this would be right too" ? Most of the time you just managed to change the subject of the debate. Doffy doesn't have a hinted past with Ivankov anyway :getlost:
It's just a theory, I'm not going to get you proof that it is true.Just that it is not stupid.
If you just straight up hate the idea that Croc was a revolutionary, well I can understand. I guess I feel the same about the theory of Dragon being an ex-marine.
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Kuma and sabo so far. Unless kuma and sengoku only learned after garp spilling the beans at end of water seven.
Kuma is a fair point. But by the time we saw Sabo(grown up), the news of Luffy being Dragon's son was public knowledge.
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Gear 4 will have stronger attacks than gear 3, faster speed than gear 2, while keeping his normal size.
Perhaps it can only be used for a short period of time. Just like Goku's Kaio-ken attack.Nope it will be stronger than G2 and faster than G3.
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Kuma is a fair point. But by the time we saw Sabo(grown up), the news of Luffy being Dragon's son was public knowledge.
Sabo and Ace knew Dragon was luffys father because Luffy told them just like Sabo told Ace and Luffy about his royal parents and Ace telling Luffy and Sabo about Roger.
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1 Week to gear 4 everybody! We can do this, stay alive however you can!
My wish for the gear 4 is…
Please don't suck.
Please don't suck.
Please don't suck.
Yeah, that. If that happens, I'll be happy.
Then again, if gear 4 will turn out to be disappointing, I don't think the manga section will survive a blow like that.
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Sabo and Ace knew Dragon was luffys father because Luffy told them just like Sabo told Ace and Luffy about his royal parents and Ace telling Luffy and Sabo about Roger.
Luffy himself didn't knew who his father was.
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My wish for the gear 4 is…
Please don't suck.
Please don't suck.
Please don't suck.
Yeah, that. If that happens, I'll be happy.
Then again, if gear 4 will turn out to be disappointing, I don't think the manga section will survive a blow like that.
You sound like it doesnt matter what it will be. Dont play like that.
Manga section barely survived Darth and Gear 4th not being pleasing to everybody wont be even close to having such influence :ninja:THAT IS EXACTLY WHY DRAGON WOULD HAVE BANNED HIM. THAT IS THE THEORY. Are you even listening.
Now that is a good counter argument. (Though one could argue that he was planing on using the revolutionaries to reach this goal aswell. And got banned. But now it really is fanfiction.)
Obviously he wanted the ancient weapon to rule over something.
Why people always feel the need to add "if your theory is right, then this would be right too" ? Most of the time you just managed to change the subject of the debate. Doffy doesn't have a hinted past with Ivankov anyway :getlost:
It's just a theory, I'm not going to get you proof that it is true.Just that it is not stupid.
If you just straight up hate the idea that Croc was a revolutionary, well I can understand. I guess I feel the same about the theory of Dragon being an ex-marine.
That's it for me.I find it highly unlikely and thats why I called it bad.
Crocodile would never work under anybody else - Dragon or whatever, he would not be under anybody. His pride being reason for it.