Person most likely to be killed by the birdcage? Buffalo. He's unconscious and who knows where in Dressrosa and I doubt anyone's lining up to save him.
Maybe a dwarf finds and saves him?
Person most likely to be killed by the birdcage? Buffalo. He's unconscious and who knows where in Dressrosa and I doubt anyone's lining up to save him.
Maybe a dwarf finds and saves him?
Person most likely to be killed by the birdcage? Buffalo. He's unconscious and who knows where in Dressrosa and I doubt anyone's lining up to save him.
Maybe a dwarf finds and saves him?
He has a name. Of course he will survive.
Heh, though it would be hillarious if he just disappeared from the manga altogether, never to be seen again.
He has a name. Of course he will survive.
Heh, though it would be hillarious if he just disappeared from the manga altogether, never to be seen again.
Just as long as he doesn't get a spin off.
I'm sorry, I'll go sit in a corner now.
Just as long as he doesn't get a spin off.
I'm sorry, I'll go sit in a corner now.
… I have to say, I laughed at that...
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What I got from the chapter:
1. No matter what Law does he can't personally beat Doflamingo, that much is made clear this chapter. Luffy holding off for his sake and even preventing others from interfering/harming him was a nice touch.
2. Devil Fruits are going to be more Hax from here on out. Better get used to it.
I think Oda(or his editor) is starting to find that fights with only strength(B-Haki included, not sure about the other 2, not like many people have them anyway), endurance and ability a bit boring, so he's introducing more and more Haxx DFs(or add more Hax to the already Haxxed ones) to spice things up, not that I like it very much, but I think that's how it's gonna be from now on
Shrugs I know, there is no way Oda is taking fruit away from his golden boy Sabo, whom I fully expect to casually stomp Burgess if they fight again.
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Another pointless clash for the sake of fanservice, main reason of why mysterious guy in the palace shouldn't be Burguess.
Another pointless clash for the sake of fanservice, main reason of why mysterious guy in the palace shouldn't be Burguess.
Here's a thing: Oda, according to himself, adopts 15 years old point of view while writing. And from a point of view of your average 15 years old, clash between those two is awesome, not pointless.
So yes, Sabo figthing and defeating Burgess again is something I fully expect to happen.
Here's a thing: Oda, according to himself, adopts 15 years old point of view while writing. And from a point of view of your average 15 years old, clash between those two is awesome, not pointless.
So yes, Sabo figthing and defeating Burgess again is something I fully expect to happen.
Is this still the case, when most of the target audience has aged with the series? I don't know much about writing fiction, but it seems like a good idea to change the style of writing, if the story goes on for as long as it has here.
Here's a thing: Oda, according to himself, adopts 15 years old point of view while writing. And from a point of view of your average 15 years old, clash between those two is awesome, not pointless.
So yes, Sabo figthing and defeating Burgess again is something I fully expect to happen.
Defeating him?? Like stopping him from whatever is planning?? Physical beating isn't happening here.
Wonder what Burguess's purpose it is, taking down Law or Luffy for the guy who's trying to slice everyone into bloody tiny pieces(including him) won't be too convincent
Is this still the case, when most of the target audience has aged with the series? I don't know much about writing fiction, but it seems like a good idea to change the style of writing, if the story goes on for as long as it has here.
You would think so, right? At least evolve it in some way, or put a new spin on it.
Unfortunately, if Dressrosa is any indication, the basics are still the same, and will stay the same. One should expect something that all available evidence points against.
@Galaxy:
And I'm pretty sure Blackbeard needs to be present as well (if it's part of his power).
Not really.
We pretty much saw how DFs are made in Punk Hazard and its most likely the DFs are for the powerless crewmembers.
The current discussion makes for an alright read but seeing this posted smack in the middle of it made me laugh out loud. Looks like the anime still manages to create some comedy gold every now and then.
Not really.
We pretty much saw how DFs are made in Punk Hazard and its most likely the DFs are for the powerless crewmembers.
This depends on if Blackbeard's method is by making a new fruit appear, of if it's something he can do with his power.
Defeating him?? Like stopping him from whatever is planning?? Physical beating isn't happening here.
Wonder what Burguess's purpose it is, taking down Law or Luffy for the guy who's trying to slice everyone into bloody tiny pieces(including him) won't be too convincent
I don't think that Burgess will be beaten to unconciousness either, but he will most certainly be stopped from whatever he is planning.
I have no idea what it is at the moment, but the second Sabo intercepts him, his chances of succes will become zero.
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@Galaxy:
This depends on if Blackbeard's method is by making a new fruit appear, of if it's something he can do with his power.
True, though with Smiley fruit appearing as it did, it could be said that we have a precedence for it.
I don't think that Burgess will be beaten to unconciousness either, but he will most certainly be stopped from whatever he is planning.
I have no idea what it is at the moment, but the second Sabo intercepts him, his chances of succes will become zero.
Previously posters have theorized that Burgess plans to raid Dofla's Devil Fruit bank (if he has one).
If this is the case I'm pretty sure he'll be able to escape with a couple or even gulp one down on the spot.
Which, if it happens, will be a pity. I like Burgess as just plain brute force & fighting ability. DF are fun but prefer it when not everybody has one.
Previously posters have theorized that Burgess plans to raid Dofla's Devil Fruit bank (if he has one).
If this is the case I'm pretty sure he'll be able to escape with a couple or even gulp one down on the spot.
Which, if it happens, will be a pity. I like Burgess as just plain brute force & fighting ability. DF are fun but prefer it when not everybody has one.
As I said, because Sabo is going there, I have my hopes at all times low.
Though there is hope: If the action is off-paneled, Burgess will have the upper hand.
Looks like the anime still manages to create some comedy gold every now and then.
That reeks of an edit to me but haven't seen the episode
Law shambled with a dead body. Who killed this guy ? Sabo/Koala's opponent maybe ?
As someone else pointed out before, he could be the grunt Baby5 killed for laughing at Pica.
As someone else pointed out before, he could be the grunt Baby5 killed for laughing at Pica.
That guy had wite curly hair so its not same person
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Most likely palace is full of dead bodies thanks to Burgess - Law did scan and teleported one body and thats all imo.
As someone else pointed out before, he could be the grunt Baby5 killed for laughing at Pica.
Killed? He's not dead, it's only a flesh wound. :ninja:
Few magical princess tears & Law's Nameless Mook Swap-out Body will be good as new.
Thanks for that! Seemed like simply pointing to them here. He wasn't even close to them . I wonder if they deliberately "forgot" the technique because it's so powerful. Same way Luffy constantly seems to forget his soru speed
I want Blackbeard Crew to do something impressive, and NOT off-screen dammit. Ever since Blackbeard beat Ace, they've been bloody pathethic every time they fight on screen. Casually getting stomped by Magellan, overwhelmed in seconds by Whitebeard, stopped by Sengoku, running away from Sakazuki, being outwitted by Sabo (I still believe that to be absolute bullshit, btw)… At this point in time, it's just sad.
I think it's because of the simple fact that they were not the "strong" type of villain. They were the cowardly type. Who talks big. does some outrageous things and runs away as soon as there is a sign of trouble. Villain that is mostly a danger due to the incompetence or misplaced mercy of the heroes. I think it will be a while before we see them move to the "strong" category type of villain.
Here's a thing: Oda, according to himself, adopts 15 years old point of view while writing. And from a point of view of your average 15 years old, clash between those two is awesome, not pointless.
So yes, Sabo figthing and defeating Burgess again is something I fully expect to happen.
That explains so many many many many things about Oda. I really hope he decides to grow up sometimes soon . One Piece is good but it can be so much better
Switching their voices was a really dumb decision.
But I guess it made things easier to a lot of people in Toei.
Hey, do you remember what Traffy said about Doflamingo's view of family. Is the fact that he only considers those who are convenient to him as being able to be his family. In a way he is very right because even though he has been shown to care about others he still cares about them in a very selfish matter. I think during the fight between Luffy and Doflamingo we could probably see how maybe Luffy would call out Doflamingo on making his so called family die for him. Not to mention how he killed his own brother as well.
For some reason some parts of Doflamingo seems like a facade because of the fact that he really behind the sadistic smile is hiding a monster load of mental issues. All I can say that it may have to do with him having Trebol being his mentor. I also note how Trebol might actually care for Doflamingo as a person by the way he rushes out for him but at the same time I think like Doflamingo he could have been using him for his own selfish reasons. Mostly that as people theorized he wanted a former Celestial Dragon to be a master under and to subtly guide him to help him get back at the World Nobles.
When you think you finally get rid of Doflamingo he is still freaking alive….
Good thing Law ain't dead for nothing, also i'm really happy Luffy gonna care of Dofla's, because Luffy as a simple dude from a far far island is the representation of all those people who got somehow stepped upon by the tenryubito's, Doflamingo is the representation of these guys, even though he lost his status officially, he is still thinking of himself as beyond others, also the way he treat people, the way he use his so called family for his scheme, this guy is surely sick in his mind, the fact he killed his own brother knowing this one would never kill him anyway, and the enjoyment and deception upon his scheme is dressrosa but also during all this time when he appeared and toyed with people like puppets.
I'm so looking forward the fight now, i have high hopes in Luffy, i know it wouldn't be easy but this fight is beyond the image of a simple Luffy vs boss.
When you think you finally get rid of Doflamingo he is still freaking alive….
Good thing Law ain't dead for nothing, also i'm really happy Luffy gonna care of Dofla's, because Luffy as a simple dude from a far far island is the representation of all those people who got somehow stepped upon by the tenryubito's, Doflamingo is the representation of these guys, even though he lost his status officially, he is still thinking of himself as beyond others, also the way he treat people, the way he use his so called family for his scheme, this guy is surely sick in his mind, the fact he killed his own brother knowing this one would never kill him anyway, and the enjoyment and deception upon his scheme is dressrosa but also during all this time when he appeared and toyed with people like puppets.
I'm so looking forward the fight now, i have high hopes in Luffy, i know it wouldn't be easy but this fight is beyond the image of a simple Luffy vs boss.
In other words Doffy should be prepare to get his butt kicked so hard that he will be feeling it for years to come. I know some people said that this arc is like Alabasta meets Skypeia and I think he is right because Doflamingo has a lot of characteristics of both Crocodile and Enel. Not to mention the amount of callbacks back to both arcs like the dwarves, Norland, Bellamy, and Doflamingo himself. Oda truly never forgets and it makes me wonder how long he has these things planned in his work.
I think Oda has made the right amount of hype for this character and it really shows that maybe he was saving Doflamingo for the right moment. Mostly because of the fact that defeating him will be a big blow to the status quo of the One Piece world. If you think about the things he has his fingers in this would mean his empire would cause other things to collapse as well.
The enormous gulf in strength between Doflamingo and his "family" seems odd. In some ways Doflamingo is more godlike than Enel, yet his subordinates are pretty much pushovers when they fight a Straw Hat. I mean, Franky won even though he was intentionally taking hits and wasn't really trying his best. Diamante was beaten by a one-legged side character. Trebol was as threatening to Luffy as a fly.
In other words Doffy should be prepare to get his butt kicked so hard that he will be feeling it for years to come. I know some people said that this arc is like Alabasta meets Skypeia and I think he is right because Doflamingo has a lot of characteristics of both Crocodile and Enel. Not to mention the amount of callbacks back to both arcs like the dwarves, Norland, Bellamy, and Doflamingo himself. Oda truly never forgets and it makes me wonder how long he has these things planned in his work.
I think Oda has made the right amount of hype for this character and it really shows that maybe he was saving Doflamingo for the right moment. Mostly because of the fact that defeating him will be a big blow to the status quo of the One Piece world. If you think about the things he has his fingers in this would mean his empire would cause other things to collapse as well.
Yup it's impressive that Oda incorporate all those hints, also to place the fight against doflamingo at a right time.
I'm thinking also of the consequence of this fight, i mean there is Big MOM not far from Dressrosa, what will happen once Kaidou will realize SAD is destroyed, the mess that Dofla loss against the strawhat will lead the equilibrium between the world government and pirate upside down, that is what i'm looking forward to honestly, and leading to Kaidou means meeting Shanks at some point, and that is really gonna be awesome!
The enormous gulf in strength between Doflamingo and his "family" seems odd. In some ways Doflamingo is more godlike than Enel, yet his subordinates are pretty much pushovers when they fight a Straw Hat. I mean, Franky won even though he was intentionally taking hits and wasn't really trying his best. Diamante was beaten by a one-legged side character. Trebol was as threatening to Luffy as a fly.
Senor Pink was intentionally taking hits too. A better point would be Franky's already beaten up state.
But still, Senor Pink almost managed a draw with Franky.
The "one-legged side-character" is the strongest fighter in the history of Dressrosa. Who not only won thousands of fights, but also got flawless victories in all except one.
I kinda like how side characters in Dressrosa actually manage to do things as opposed to most other arcs.
The tontattas got to destroy the factory, Kyros defeated his wife's killer.
Heck, Law even managed to give some real injuries to Doflamingo.
Which other side character in the series got the honor of actually damaging the main villain?
Trebol hasn't even fought anyone yet. I would wait for him to get a fight before saying how weak he is
And Sanji wasn't much good against Doflamingo either.
The Captains are aways a class apart from the crew.
You know how this arc's theme is about how people shouldn't give up their humanity to become monsters. I think the final fight will deconstruct Doffy's decision to become a monster. I think everything he he has done in his life is a result of rejecting his father's notion of being human. Even as the arc hints at the fact that even Doflamingo himself has moments of weakness like that one flashback that showed he still had nightmares of being hunted down as a child. I think this final showdown would also be a way to show that even as an adult he still the same brat that had his title stripped from him. In other words Doffy will finally have his wake up call that he has to grow up and accept that at heart he is human just like his own father proclaimed they all were.
I am really interested to see Luffys fight now.
We will be most likely seeing Luffy that will go all out just for few moments - Doflamingo perhaps put himself together but he is handicaped and if Luffy manages to land a blow that is as destructive as Laws Gamma Knife, Mingo is out.
Oda has been hinting both Law and Luffy being around same strength- Luffy landed Red Hawk, Law landed Injection Shot. Now Law went all out with Gamma Knife so Luffy most likely will show off something comparable, with CoC giving Luffy small edge over Law.
Luffy fought with dials users, he fought with Lucci and gotten hit by Rokuougun and I think he managed to combine his powers with experience and with training he made something comparable to Rokuougun or Dial power. If we look from perspective even Kings Punch looks like gigantic less concentrated Rokuougun.
Oda is remembering about Skypiea - Bellamy character, birdcage being alike with cage made out of barbed wire long time ago, villain "recovering from death" himself- Enels heart restart and Doflamingos string "hmmmppppfffffimback", trial of strings working possibly same as Doflamingo string trap he used on Sanji and will very likely try to use on Luffy- lots of stuff reminding of Skypiea.
So with that in mind I think that Luffy possibly made himself a dial of sorts- that his new gear can perhaps even store or likely transfer enemy attacks force right back at them in form of shockwave. As we seen with Sai and his Drill Dragon(dunno if thats proper name) and Rob Luccis Rokuougun being unlocked after mastering their styles Oda most likely is trying to keep fighting styles "alike" in some ways and even if somebody doesnt master same style they can still achieve similar ultimate techniques. Against Hody and Doflamingo we seen Red Hawk after effect being some kind of burning shockwave that goes through body- maybe there is more to it.
So Luffy showing us some kind of "shockwave" attack and also his Color of Conqueror haki should be a sight to see. I expect Oda to give us feeling that even if Law didnt have had torn Doflamingo, Luffy still would have very big chance to beat Doflamingo in old fashioned way - being able to keep up with him, getting a ton of damage and dealing ton of it yet in the end pulling through and beating enemy to pulp with what he has.
If I wasnt clear with my last line - I mean that I would like to see that if not for Law we would most probably have gotten Luffy vs Lucci 2.0 type of fight.
Trebol hasn't even fought anyone yet. I would wait for him to get a fight before saying how weak he is
And Sanji wasn't much good against Doflamingo either.
The Captains are aways a class apart from the crew.
Doffy is leagues above his crew. Luffy, while stronger than the likes of Zoro and Sanji is not. For example, Zoro would've eradicated Pica had it not been for his tricky power. Luffy has to fight a neutered Doffy in order to plausibly win. Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Point is, the gap between Doffy and his crewmates is huge as hell.
Doffy is leagues above his crew. Luffy, while stronger than the likes of Zoro and Sanji is not. For example, Zoro would've eradicated Pica had it not been for his tricky power. Luffy has to fight a neutered Doffy in order to plausibly win. Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Point is, the gap between Doffy and his crewmates is huge as hell.
You can't get rid off of Pica's power, it his source of force/strength, is like saying Luffy would have won already if Doula wasn't the user of such broken ability.
Heck, Law even managed to give some real injuries to Doflamingo.
I think Law was the only one who gave Doflamingo anything you could consider real injuries.
I mean honestly, did Luffy's Redhawk do much of anything to Doffy?
It's not that there wasn't a huge power gap between leader and subordinates for quite some other enemy groups as well.
Doffy is leagues above his crew. Luffy, while stronger than the likes of Zoro and Sanji is not. For example, Zoro would've eradicated Pica had it not been for his tricky power. Luffy has to fight a neutered Doffy in order to plausibly win. Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Point is, the gap between Doffy and his crewmates is huge as hell.
I disagree if you mean that Doflamingo is so much stronger than seats - if not for Doflamingos string ability putting his organs/ skin / destroyed tissue back as it was he would be most likely already handicaped by Red Hawk and Injection Shot.
When it comes to his ability to dodge attacks - of course he is VERY strong and fast but big part of his power in direct fighting is that he keeps his cool like nobody else in his crew.
He provokes big attacks and counters them, blocks or avoids anything that comes and so on. When it comes to speed Luffy can at least keep up with Doflamingo as we seen clearly and I guess their strength should be very comparable, with gear second even more so.
I disagree if you mean that Doflamingo is so much stronger than seats - if not for Doflamingos string ability putting his organs/ skin / destroyed tissue back as it was he would be most likely already handicaped by Red Hawk and Injection Shot.
When it comes to his ability to dodge attacks - of course he is VERY strong and fast but big part of his power in direct fighting is that he keeps his cool like nobody else in his crew.
He provokes big attacks and counters them, blocks or avoids anything that comes and so on. When it comes to speed Luffy can at least keep up with Doflamingo as we seen clearly and I guess their strength should be very comparable, with gear second even more so.
And that's it: Fight, even after all that damage to Doffy, we guess would be about even.
That is not the case with battles of his subordinates. Doffy is fighting with two captains at once, and he isn't definetely loosing. He even took out Law. At the same time, Pica hasn't dealt any damage to Zoro, and the enemy side has taken far less damage then Doffy's side.
The gap is definetely there, and it is big.
Luffy is stronger than Zoro.
At the moment, with what has been showed, it isn't.
Luffy trained basically how to dominate Haki instructed by the Roger Pirates' vice-captain while Zoro learned how to improve all his cutting abilities repertory with the improvement of Haki by the world's best swordsman.
You can't keep thinking that Luffy is stronger than Zoro that much, that would mean an insult to Zoro's strenght.
This has been a very hard arc for Traffy. I mean first with a lot of his plans not going his way, his former boss chaining him down to the heart seat, getting his arm cut off, shot multiple times, reliving his childhood trauma, and to top it all off he ented into an alliance with crazy people.
Doffy is fighting with two captains at once, and he isn't definetely loosing.
Well it's not like Doffy was alone, there was Trebol, Bellamy the "hostage" and Shadow Doffy (yes the last one is part of Doffy's power, but it doesn't seem to requiere any power from him so…)
And I'd add that Law had to fight both Doffy and Trebol for a moment.
@Monkey:
Well it's not like Doffy was alone, there was Trebol, Bellamy the "hostage" and Shadow Doffy (yes the last one is part of Doffy's power, but it doesn't seem to requiere any power from him so…)
And I'd add that Law had to fight both Doffy and Trebol for a moment.
Trebol wasn't doing much and neither did Bellamy or Clone. Doffy is fighting alone for the most part, and his perfomance is miles above that of his subordinates, especially considering level of his opponents.
I think I need a break in posting in chapter disucssion thread/reading it.
Lately because of amount of complaining It started to pull down my own experience in a way.
It never affected me till now but amount of people getting worked up over "issues" - that were always present in One Piece and in a way given it its character - is downgrading experience of reading climax of longest arc yet.I get that some people are tired of this arc but nitpicking on atomic level or endless continuation of recycling that "I cant cope with what I get because its easier this way" is shitty way to spend time in my opinion.
Not everybody who can formulate opinion should rant and fuel endless discussion over issues not adding ANY value to side of positives as more and more people started to do. I wont blame anybody for that but its evident(for me).Not every person that can write a line or two in english should go all out and criticize things they dont fully understand- some pretty new posters that seem to be also fresh to One Piece. If not understanding would not be case here then there would not be so many posts that are somehow explaining different angles and situations. Criticism done by people that dont even know how to do it or lack some qualities that actual critic needs is growing in internet like cancer in my opinion. Games, movies, tv series, mangas - every kind of entertainment is being torn to pieces, analyzed and criticized by more and more people. I never understood people that choose to spend their lives scratching on surface of actually great things, criticizing only bits that they understood. I get that everybody has right to have an opinion same as in some parts of world "everybody" can carry a gun but somehow they dont let just anybody carry it around. And criticism thanks to internet not being as restricted is possible for ANYBODY, sadly.
Its like everybody having internet connection post "opinions" and effect is that less creative person is, less he or she understands from what is given to us, easier for that person is to criticize, harder to emphatize and understand choices of an author. Its not about being blind to faults but about keeping balance, healthy balance.
I didnt seen any forum section in such condition since at least 2009 so that speaks for itself.
So I wont even try to "Enjoy" this or next weeks discussions here as I already know what to expect. I dont expect anybody to care about it but rather to think for themselves what suits them best and if its wrecking some great moments with concentrating on laments.
To put it in a shorter way, this forum has become someone personal blog:
Doffy is leagues above his crew. Luffy, while stronger than the likes of Zoro and Sanji is not. For example, Zoro would've eradicated Pica had it not been for his tricky power. Luffy has to fight a neutered Doffy in order to plausibly win. Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Point is, the gap between Doffy and his crewmates is huge as hell.
I actually always wondered that. Is Luffy stronger then Zoro and Sanji? Sure when he goes into Second Gear and I guess now Haki he is stronger but without it? Hmm that's always interesting to ponder
To put it in a shorter way, this forum has become someone personal blog:
Hey, I didn't get "The most dedicated' award for nothing.
My ability to argue with twenty people at the same time is remarkable, I know.
I won't apologise for being invested in the first manga series I have ever read, nor for being passionate about it.
Dressrosa has been an arc I've had great hopes for, and by which I have been greatly disappointed. If I voice this disappointment, it is not because I hate the series, or nitpick it; it's because I genuinely don't enjoy it, which happens suprisingly rarely.
If I enjoyed it, I would have been able to forgive it's flaws. Something for something. Unfortunately, Dressrosa has not been good enough of an arc for me to do so. That's all there is to it.
But I wanted to ask: Where do you get those wonderful stats?
I actually always wondered that. Is Luffy stronger then Zoro and Sanji? Sure when he goes into Second Gear and I guess now Haki he is stronger but without it? Hmm that's always interesting to ponder
I've always thought that if Zoro and Luffy were to fight to the death Zoro would murder him pretty easily. But even with that assumption I think the question of who's stronger is still rather hard to define.
Trebol wasn't doing much and neither did Bellamy or Clone. Doffy is fighting alone for the most part, and his perfomance is miles above that of his subordinates, especially considering level of his opponents.
Because Luffy couldn't really fight back against Bellamy, Law had to fight Doffy (+ Trebol sometimes) alone during most of the fight.
the only two moment where Doffy had to withstand a combination of the two captain are the red hawk punch and the gamma knife.
But don't get me wrong, I agree that dofla is way stronger than his subordinates.
It's undeniable that Doflamingo dwarves all his family in terms of power, four seats included.
That being said, Crocodile was also miles away from all his henchmen. With Enel, the difference felt even bigger. With Lucci Oda even gave us a numeric comparison that told us he was twice as strong as the second and third CP9 members, and 5-6 times stronger that the mid-low ones. Arlong also was on an absolutely different league than his croonies, Sanji himself said the difference in strength was ridiculous.
It's a pretty common thing with One Piece. I think the main difference this time is that Zoro proved to be on a whole different level than his rival, which was totally uncommon pre-time skip. Franky and Usopp got pretty thrashed, the Sunny team was almost done in by a single officer and Robin also got done in by Sugar, but Zoro's main trouble was finding what to slash, while taking no damage at all from mountain sized fists. That's what feels weird this time around I guess.
Trébol's performance this chapter, however you want to analyze the scene, didn't particularly help with that feeling.
I think their relative strength in comparison to the opponents is the problem. While every time before main leader was leagues above his henchman, with the exception of maybe Skypiea, they were still a considerable threat to their opponents. I cannot say the same about Doffy's crew. And most of them were fighting tertiary characters instead of Straw Hats. Could you imagine what kind of slaugter it would have been with Sanji actually being there?
I think their relative strength in comparison to the opponents is the problem. While every time before main leader was leagues above his henchman, with the exception of maybe Skypiea, they were still a considerable threat to their opponents. I cannot say the same about Doffy's crew. And most of them were fighting tertiary characters instead of Straw Hats. Could you imagine what kind of slaugter it would have been with Sanji actually being there?
It's harder to gauge this time around, if anything. Do we know where Kyros, Awekened Sai, Bartolomeo or Hakuvendish stand compared to Sanji?
Also, power levels are a bit harder to gauge during Dressrosa. Like, Sai was an equal to Ideo, and below Chinjao, but then Chinjao got thrashed by Lao G, who then got one shoted by Sai. Ideo, as said, Sai's apparent equal, got utterly destroyed by Dellinger with little to no effort, same Dellinger that got one shoted by Hakuvendish. Then, Robin stopped Hakuvendish dead in his tracks, the same Robin that got quite easily outmaneuvered by Sugar. . .What I mean is, this tertiary characters could either be weaker than any given SH or second only to Luffy and Zoro (like I suspect Kyros is).
Sanji would maybe be too strong for Trébol, but then again Vergo proved to be more than a worthy match for him, Vergo being an equally ranked seat as Trébol.
Maybe, in the end, it's just Zoro that's overpowered as hell compared to the rest of the crew?
@Shobu:
At the moment, with what has been showed, it isn't.
Luffy trained basically how to dominate Haki instructed by the Roger Pirates' vice-captain while Zoro learned how to improve all his cutting abilities repertory with the improvement of Haki by the world's best swordsman.
You can't keep thinking that Luffy is stronger than Zoro that much, that would mean an insult to Zoro's strenght.
That's only your bias speaking. We've seen nothing to indicate Zoro is stronger than Luffy since we haven't seen either character go all out yet.
You're also greatly undervaluing Rayleigh. An honest comparison would be between a Shichibukai, the world's greatest swordsman capable of going toe-to-toe with a Yonkou, and the infamous Pirate King's first mate, user of Conqueror's Haki in his own right and capable of casually holding off an admiral despite his old age.
Furthermore, to say Luffy only trained in Haki is to discount how he's incorporated Haki into his fighting skills and refined his Devil Fruit powers. Luffy has demonstrated vastly improved skills with his basic moves, like the directed Fusen. He no longer experiences a cool down time from Gear 3 that leaves him vulnerable, and he's able to use Gear 2 in localised areas of his body, reducing the stress on his body. He tends to use Gear 2 in short bursts, acting more efficiently, and just showed how he can fluidly switch between the two gears. And all that is before he uses Haki to enhance his attacks, where he's proficient in all three forms.
So what evidence do you have that Zoro has caught up to Luffy?