Is Doula really just stitching his organs?
I was under the impression that he was replacing them (shit, if the dude can create entire clones with just strings, then that doesn't look improbable).
I don't think he's doing that, It's just a simple Aid he's doing to himself.. I hope
@Daz:
I'll stop with my DF neuroses after this one.
My problem is exactly with it being a different effect. It makes the moves non-comparable, it makes Laws moveset yet more uncohesive, cluttered, unfocused, ill defined. If Luffy busted out a "blue Hawk" that froze people, you couldn't excuse it with "its like Red Hawk, but a different effect". Well, maybe one could, but it would still make no sense in terms of Luffys defined ability.
By gradual destruction I was referring to Doflamingo very clearly not instantly dying after Law hits him, meaning that the organ destruction Law speaks of must be an ongoing thing.
Law has an electric attack, an electricity-infused sword attack and now a blade-shaped electric attack. Yes, they all have different effects, but I don't really see the problem in that. They all fall within the operation motif of the fruit.
Being a knife that works with X-Rays, it makes sense that Gamma Knife causes internal damage, as X-Rays is all about showing insides. The fruit is pretty much a surgery-themed one, just like Viola's eye-themed fruit.
You don't instantly die when you organs are destroyed (in One Piece, at least). Remember Ace?
People shouldn't give much thought to Trebol getting kicked like a fodder this chapter. Whatever your view on the matter is, the bottomline is that the kick was unexpected. Happened to a lot of characters, too. Now if this was Trebol vs Luffy outright, then the "Trebol = fodder" assumption would have some legitimacy to it.
"Yes, I'm only bones, but that's because I have an interest… in dieting."
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So Doflamingo might be the next One Piece character to really die and the first by Luffy's hands. Seriously, I don't see him flying away aftrr the battle and he can't simply be put in jail being a Celestial Dragon. He will certainly die and all the blame will be put on Luffy and Law.
People shouldn't give much thought to Trebol getting kicked like a fodder this chapter. Whatever your view on the matter is, the bottomline is that the kick was unexpected. Happened to a lot of characters, too. Now if this was Trebol vs Luffy outright, then the "Trebol = fodder" assumption would have some legitimacy to it.
See, this is one thing I didn't mind.
Suprisingly enough.
Though after utterly underwhelming performance of Diamante and Pica, I'm kinda unsure if Trebol won't get short end of the stick either way.
Law has an electric attack, an electricity-infused sword attack and now a blade-shaped electric attack. Yes, they all have different effects, but I don't really see the problem in that. They all fall within the operation motif of the fruit.
I feel like we've had this discussion before. The problem is that "operation stuff" is so vague (defibrillation is operation? Injections are operation?) that you can have practically anything fall under that umbrella.
Like, Law points at you and mutters "side effects" and his opponent keels over dead due to respiratory complications. Laws farts are a powerful laughing gas. Law spits morphine in your face.
You don't instantly die when you organs are destroyed (in One Piece, at least). Remember Ace?
Thats true. But If Laws move truly destroys your organs instantly, then the only way to recover is to immediately get new organs. Which I guess leads us to your suggestion that Doffy is getting by on cloth-based organs, which …would be borderline Mayuri level hax.
@Daz:
I feel like we've had this discussion before. The problem is that "operation stuff" is so vague (defibrillation is operation? Injections are operation?) that you can have practically anything fall under that umbrella.
Like, Law points at you and mutters "side effects" and his opponent keels over dead due to respiratory complications. Laws farts are a powerful laughing gas. Law spits morphine in your face.
Well, like Corazon said, it's not like he can just wish side-effects. Law can only do all this stuff because he has the medical knowledge to pull it off.
Oh, and defibrillations and injections could be considered operations to a degree. They fall within the usual definition of surgery. Also, anesthesia is sometimes injected and defibrillations might be used during "true" operations.
@Daz:
I feel like we've had this discussion before. The problem is that "operation stuff" is so vague (defibrillation is operation? Injections are operation?) that you can have practically anything fall under that umbrella.
Like, Law points at you and mutters "side effects" and his opponent keels over dead due to respiratory complications. Laws farts are a powerful laughing gas. Law spits morphine in your face.
That's hilarious and true
If the damn knife was just doing his usual "I cut you but you don't die" thing, but halfways, and with a real knife, this chapter's attack wouldn't be such an asspull. He fake cuts the skin but trully cuts the guts.
I don't think I could say anything rational about this chapter. The fanboy inside me is shouting so loud for me to be able to critize anything at all. This is awesome as hell..
By applying the level of nitpicking people are showing in this thread to the entire manga I'm sure all of One Piece can easily be considered to be complete unreedemable shit. At this point it's obvious some guys are only reading the manga to find thing to complain about.
Doflamingo saying everyone on the island is going to die? He does realize a god damn Admiral and the second in command of the revolutionary army are slowly moving towards him right?
Is there a limit to Doflamingo's stupidity?
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Is there a limit to Doflamingo's stupidity?
He's just hoping for the best! He suddenly stopped receiving presents from Santa at a very early age, and was forced to leave all his celestial dragons friends behind him too. Leave him dream!!
On top of that when the world was all against Law just for the fact of being born in Flevance, Doffy was the only one to take care of him, and Law repays him by destroying his empire.
And also saying that everyone will die is just his usual thing of taunting his enemies.
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That last panel!! Luffy badass of this arc. I can't wait for a crazy battle.
Man, and people thought that Enel and Sir Corcodile's fight was tough.
The Jimbei cover so slow. From the poneglyph to sea monsters that got their homes back and now help with fishing. Will it lead to something important? Or is just a update on the future nakama and his random adventures.
Also hope Gammma knife is not the weakness of DD that will help Luffy defeat him, same way Crocoboy had water and Enel rubber.
@TLC:
Jesus christ, the amount of nitpicking and whinging over the chapter. Not to lambast people like kouch or Daz who have legitimate, PROPRORTIONAL complaints about the chapter but a lot of complaints I see are just whining over the fight not starting or nitpicking over magical powers not working exactly how they THINK they should and saying it's OMG THE WORST THING EVER THIS ARC SUCKS 0/10!!!! Geez, enough nitpicking people, go read this week's chapter of Bleach and get some perspective on how well written, set up and choreographed this chapter was. Fucking shadow clone bullshit this chapter was not, it had far more care and set up and a bigger picture in mind to it.
Actually, this part was a lot like Bleach in how characters were static and unable to move. Yes, Dofla who stood like an idiot without even attempting to dodge or block and Trebol who waited for quite a while before reacting, even though he was standing right next to Dofla at the beginning.
Yes, there's a lot of silly complaints, but this fighting bit being bad is not one of them.
Actually, this part was a lot like Bleach in how characters were static and unable to move. Yes, Dofla who stood like an idiot without even attempting to dodge or block and Trebol who waited for quite a while before reacting, even though he was standing right next to Dofla at the beginning.
Didn't Doula try to counter Law's move (but Luffy stopped him)?
The content and idea of the chapter is very good. But, it was ruined by Law's DF. So many flaws, the double body looked like Law and also have a tattoo. Law doing counter shock with one arm when all this time, he used both arms. Against cool brothers, he went as far as dropping his sword to use both arms. I understand what Oda is trying to do though, Law throwing everything he has at Mingo and Mingo lives while Law is done and exhausted.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
Didn't Doula try to counter Law's move (but Luffy stopped him)?
You mean after Law had already stabbed him? Sure.
It's just that I have this idea in my head that a character who could totally dominate Law in close fighting and who was able to dodge Hawk Gatling like that, should be able to at least do something before getting stabbed in the face (it might as well have been his face, considering how easy it was).
@Daz:
Thats true. But If Laws move truly destroys your organs instantly, then the only way to recover is to immediately get new organs. Which I guess leads us to your suggestion that Doffy is getting by on cloth-based organs, which …would be borderline Mayuri level hax.
Yeah, I doubt Doflamingo is creating new fully functional organs. That doesn't really add up with his powers while "stitching" the wounds at least makes sense on a conceptual level. I had the impression that Law's technique damaged him internally, gradually but fairly quickly (since Law was so confident that Doflamingo would die, I have to imagine that the effect doesn't take long to reach its full potential) and Doflamingo is countering it by stitching them together, providing a makeshift solution that can at least keep him going.
What herpdat wrote in his excellent analysis of the underlying points of the Doflamingo, Law, Luffy relationship really rings true in this chapter.
As Doflamingo lies on the ground and Law stands above him, they both note how someone like Rocinante was too good of a person to actually "pull the trigger", but that Law himself is capable of doing so. Doflamingo states that Law is just like himself and Law agrees and states that he's fine with that. But he earlier stated that he will never become someone like Doflamingo and that Rocinante saved him from that fate. Clearly, it's not really "fine" if Law is just like Doflamingo. But, enraged by Doffy's comments on Corazon, he attacks him in anger and attempts to extinguish his life.
But Law's chance to kill his nemesis is ripped out from under him. Instead of the success he thought he finally had he is met with failure. And for the first time he seems to truly give up, covering his eyes and repeatedly exclaiming his anger and grief at his failure as he can't even move to escape the foot ominously approaching to end his life by stamping out his brains.
But instead of his life ending there and then Luffy, his newfound ally, friend and fellow D clan, with his good-natured personality, steps in. Law's burden is passed to Luffy who takes it upon his own back and in it becomes a bit like a new Corazon to him, helping him carry a weight he couldn't carry on his own and steering him away from a darker path. Law wasn't allowed to personally execute Doflamingo because in his drive for revenge he teetered so close to becoming what he didn't want to become. Through his genuine friendship with Luffy we instead see camaraderie and humanity overcoming the evil of Doflamingo. In a way it's similar to how Kyros didn't allow Rebecca to fight, though, in my opinion, much less hamfisted than that, and more appreciably (light) grey due to Luffy and Law being, after all, genuine pirates.
As such Luffy helping Law defeat Doflamingo takes on more of a meaning than the apparent face-value of how it "requires two Supernovas to beat him" or how "Luffy repays his debt from Marineford". While those may also be true, seen in light of the above (fully credited to herpdat) it can help you really appreciate how Oda has woven the stories of the two together and what Law's struggle from 13 years ago all the way to the present time is about (since a lot of people seem to have become a bit jaded with him these days, I think it's a good time to highlight his qualities as a character).
You've been writing some pretty great posts lately. Very articulate and well written. Good work!
It also has a lot of merit of focusing on these more emotional elements while the rest of us are engaged in a bloody, no holds barred war on if the powers displayed are bullshity, asspulish or what.
I gotta say, along with the coverstory being pretty colorful (and adding another hint to Jinbe's status as a future crewmate) and the final stand off between Luffy and Doffy, Law's "goddammit!"s were pretty good. You could taste his frustration. I would've extended that scene, actually, for an extra page, and maybe delay Doffy waking up too so his frustration could be ever more. . .frustrating.
So many flaws, the double body looked like Law and also have a tattoo.
No, he didn't. The chest of the body was covered in blood in the last chapter, making the tattoo impossible to see.
Law doing counter shock with one arm when all this time, he used both arms. Against cool brothers, he went as far as dropping his sword to use both arms
If he can use both arms to make a Countershock, then he should be able to do it with one. It just wouldn't be as strong.
The content and idea of the chapter is very good. But, it was ruined by Law's DF. So many flaws, the double body looked like Law and also have a tattoo. Law doing counter shock with one arm when all this time, he used both arms. Against cool brothers, he went as far as dropping his sword to use both arms. I understand what Oda is trying to do though, Law throwing everything he has at Mingo and Mingo lives while Law is done and exhausted.
Yeah Law's fruit is seriously the worst introduction for me in OP… And now ever since Punk Hazard it gains new super haxxed abilities.
Now DoFla starts as well...
I'm seriously afraid what Oda will come up with in the future... And even for Luffy...
@Daz:
I feel like we've had this discussion before. The problem is that "operation stuff" is so vague (defibrillation is operation? Injections are operation?) that you can have practically anything fall under that umbrella.
Like, Law points at you and mutters "side effects" and his opponent keels over dead due to respiratory complications. Laws farts are a powerful laughing gas. Law spits morphine in your face.
Law's ultimate attack will be an extremely invasive colonoscopy, with haki!
If Law's powers were in Bleach, I don't think I would bat an eyelid
You mean after Law had already stabbed him? Sure.
It's just that I have this idea in my head that a character who could totally dominate Law in close fighting and who was able to dodge Hawk Gatling like that, should be able to at least do something before getting stabbed in the face (it might as well have been his face, considering how easy it was).
If you suddenly see a guy you thought was dead suddenly appearing in front of you, it's understandable that you would be shocked instead of trying to block or dodge.
You know i have this theorie maybe a crazy one: Trebol is a D!!! The trebol is the symbol of luck that's why maybe Doflamingo wanted a guy like him in the crew because it will help the crew have better luck!! When Whitebeard lost all the D's in his crew is when he lost everything.
Yeah Law's fruit is seriously the worst introduction for me in OP… And now ever since Punk Hazard it gains new super haxxed abilities.
Now DoFla starts as well...
I'm seriously afraid what Oda will come up with in the future... And even for Luffy...
I honestly don't see the problem. Crocodile, Enel, Kuma, the Admirals, Blackbeard, Magellan and others have been "haxing" since their introductions
As long as it doesn't stray out of the theme of the ability, I see no problem. It's one thing for Law to use surgeon/operation references in his attacks, it's another if he starts using lawyer references.
If you suddenly see a guy you thought was dead suddenly appearing in front of you, it's understandable that you would be shocked instead of trying to block or dodge.
I'd agree with you if Dofla was some rookie from Paradise or something.
Besides, he was supposed to be defending against Luffy anyway. What, seeing Law instead of Luffy makes him drop his guard and space out? Sure, that's what Oda was going for, but for me, it's a really lazy and badly coreographed way to deliver a decisive blow unto a major villain. Like I wrote earlier today, it would be more believable if he switched places with some rock behind Dofla and stabbed him while he was concentrated on Luffy. After reading all those manga where characters have to think of complicated maneuvers to manage to get a hit, this seems a little cheap, that's all. And god knows Ope Ope allows for some complicated maneuvers, if nothing else.
I just finished reading all of the posts regarding this chapter, loads of DD DF skill disbelief.
I'm assuming people are willing to believe DD can control multiple body parts of numerous citizens/marines/pirates with a single thread per victim(since I haven't heard anyone complain about it).
Why wouldn't he be able to use that control he has over the strings to do other things like first aid. Not really hard to rationalize.
I really enjoyed all of your insights, rants and disbelief.
lovely forum, i just regret reading the big theory about one piece T_T
I honestly don't see the problem. Crocodile, Enel, Kuma, the Admirals, Blackbeard, Magellan and others have been "haxing" since their introductions
Not even close. But I'm not even trying to discuss here around cuz everything is super fine.
If no one sees the different between example Enel's usage and Law… Than dunno.
But I was wrong... DoFla's birdcage is as shit
So many flaws, the double body looked like Law .
The "body double" actually wasn't that similar to Law, but since he had his back turned to Doflamingo and was wearing Law's clothes he wasn't able to tell. Also the body double was clearly switched out again when Law's "dead body" is facing forward.
I guess having 150 characters in this arc ended up backfiring in some ways. In the past, Oda was pretty cautious to create distractions or scenarios that justified the lack of intrusion to the final boss fight.
During Moria and Alrong fights everyone else was too beat up to intervene.
IIRC, Moria's battle would be another exception of this 'rule' (also, against Arlong, the 'feeling' was there too…some even sat down and just chill out while watching the fight!). The crew was fresh enough to put a lil fight against Kuma afterwards. And I clearly remember a scene where everyone was just standing there watching the fight, with Zoro commenting (to Lola) that they were sure Luffy was going to win against Moria, and that the only worry was wether if he would make it in time (for the sunset) -without any intention of helping him doing so. So, basically, pretty similar to Dressrossa's context --except for Trébol.
In my opinion, only Cavenkuba and Burgess need to be seen unable or occupied, and only Fujitora has no excuse at all. He could only be redeemed if he directly (with actions, not words) saves citizens. He should be destroying the Birdcage, but, seeing his passive(-aggressive) attitude, he could just create a safe zone (underground?) or something like that, so that Doflamingo would not realize anything.
The rest:
Zoro: lame excuse because he is 0 injured, but there's that pride thing of "my captain has to be at least this strong, or else I quit". Also, Orlumbus was a one-way ticket.
Usopp: deserves some resting.
Viola: lame, but she's a princess, and so she won't move a finger during fights. Also, she seems to be liking her new job as a narrator after Gatsu was fired --even though she is doing a terrible job.
Riku, citizens, and Tank: well, they are already doing "something"
Samurais: these I don't really get. It must be Oda saving them for next arcs, but... well, you could say they have a tourist-like attitude (passive and observing) in a foreign country, and Kinnemon already accomplished his main goal (saving Kanjuro)
Sabo: he is already going there to do "something"
Robin: lame, but, hey, she already did more than plenty of other arcs (combined!), so... I suppose a bit of blood is at least some kind of excuse.
Gladiators: all took some kind of damage... all of them? Maybe Orlumbus could go and take care of the muccus man... sure...
Rebecca: threw the towel (sword)
Kyros: heavy injuries, including some brain damage that made him uber altruist and refused to be healed.
Dwarfs: really? Is anyone still expecting anything from them?
So...except Fujitora, all of them have been affected by the "I believe in Luffy" disease (even Law, as a consequence of his last frustration). It's totally expected for some readers to dislike it, and maybe the build-up is worse than other times and not good enough to roughly justify the shonen cliché of 1vs1... but hey, it's not the first time. A bit of precedence is always better than total bullshit.
Yeah Law's fruit is seriously the worst introduction for me in OP… And now ever since Punk Hazard it gains new super haxxed abilities.
Now DoFla starts as well...
I'm seriously afraid what Oda will come up with in the future... And even for Luffy...
The Ito Ito no Mi doesn't worry me because it makes sense. Even though it is absurd to think that he can replicate perfectly all his tissues with strings (just imagine the godly level of a mind behind such feat), at least it is not a stretch of the concept of "using strings".
I worry way more when I think about powers that stretch their use into completely different areas like Law's, Kuma's and Violet's (with her whale tears).
I'm more wondering if he has taken into account that since birdcage is spherical, he will be sliced before the people in lover areas…
I want to see his counter-plan for Fujitora. Because I don't think he has one.
Mangastream has the birdcage closing like an umbrella, which would keep constant or raise the apex of the cage as it reduces in radius.
Got nothing on Fujitora, but in all fairness we haven't seen his reaction yet. Plenty of time to criticize when we actually see him again. My unvocalized justification for chilling on the plateau no longer applies because many of its facets have expired.
In response to you and others discussing the plateau party's inaction, my best explanation is that they're taking cues from Usopp as their de facto leader/representative for the Strawhats. He's the first to voice his faith in Luffy and the rest fall in behind him. They also probably know that Doflamingo is much stronger than any of them, excluding Zoro, and that they'd probably be more of a hindrance than a help.
It's not great shrugs
I'd agree with you if Dofla was some rookie from Paradise or something.
Besides, he was supposed to be defending against Luffy anyway. What, seeing Law instead of Luffy makes him drop his guard and space out? Sure, that's what Oda was going for, but for me, it's a really lazy and badly coreographed way to deliver a decisive blow unto a major villain. Like I wrote earlier today, it would be more believable if he switched places with some rock behind Dofla and stabbed him while he was concentrated on Luffy. After reading all those manga where characters have to think of complicated maneuvers to manage to get a hit, this seems a little cheap, that's all. And god knows Ope Ope allows for some complicated maneuvers, if nothing else.
Did you complain about Enel not defending or dodging Luffy's final move despite having super prediction abilities? Because that was way more unbelievable than what Law (who was way closer and had the surprise element) did here.
Did you complain about Enel not defending or dodging Luffy's final move despite having super prediction abilities? Because that was way more unbelievable than what Law (who was way closer and had the surprise element) did here.
I did. But I always fail to see how the bad stuff from the past justifies bad stuff from the present.
I'm more hung up on "I can stitch my destroyed organs together. Blindly, too. Ain't Devil Fruits great?" idiotism.
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Mangastream has the birdcage closing like an umbrella, which would keep constant or raise the apex of the cage as it reduces in radius.
Ah, true. Good catch.
Got nothing on Fujitora, but in all fairness we haven't seen his reaction yet. Plenty of time to criticize when we actually see him again. My unvocalized justification for chilling on the plateau no longer applies because many of its facets have expired.
I'm not questioning Fujitora right now, though god knows I should. I'm asking how in the hell Dofla came into conclusion that bringing every single strong fighter to him was a good idea.
Also, perhaps Fujitora could apply his mastery of one of four fundamental forces of universe to the strings, if nothing else? Pretty sure he should be capable of stopping it with a bit of effort.
Is Doula really just stitching his organs?
I was under the impression that he was replacing them (shit, if the dude can create entire clones with just strings, then that doesn't look improbable).
A combination of stitching and replacing his organs with organic "fibers"? or making fake organs.
I normally try to read the entire thread before posting, but often sometimes sticks out and I just need to throw my two cents in…
Preliminary: Despite some bullshittyness - everyone can avoid death, apparently, and we still have the issue of Trebol and Doffy vs. Luffy by himself (unless Luffy can take them both, which is a bit unbelievable due to how swole doffy is, we'll still need another chapter of Trebol being taken out of that fight) - I generally enjoyed the chapter. I can be a bit of a Law fanboy, and seeing him fail at his life's ambition (revenge) despite giving it his all is miserable. And that's a good thing. Plus, goddamn! That last page. Oof.
Okay, so here is what I want to get at:
Trebol is a logia.
As far as we know, logias can only be damaged with haki infused attacks.
So Trebol can only be damaged with haki infused attacks.
Luffy kicks Trebol, but his leg is not blackened, as is usual for haki.
How does Luffy manage to kick trebol?
Well, the difference, I think, is between hit and damage.
So first, here's the obvious possibilities:
(1) Oda just forgot to blacken Luffy's leg.
This has happened before. Typically, these are corrected in volume releases. Since, with time, this will prove itself empirically, I don't think the conversation about it would be interesting. Not ruling it out - but it strikes me as not subject to being "armchair'd", and is in any case boring.
(2) Luffy is using Colorless Haki (usually cashed out as Armament vs. Armament:Hardening); Colorless Haki confirmed.
Many, as far as I can tell, think that Luffy kicking Trebol confirms Colorless Haki is still a thing. Let it be known that I believe Colorless Haki to be a thing. HOWEVER I do not believe that Luffy's attack on Trebol confirms colorless haki. Let me put it this way:
If colorless haki exists, then this attack is possible
However, it is NOT the case that if this attack is possible, then colorless haki exists.
There are other possibilities. It is analogous to these claims:
If you put your hand in the fire, you get burned. True.
If you get burned, you put your hand in the fire. False. Maybe you put your head in the fire. Or your hand on the stove. Or put your fire in the magma fist.
Okay, so what do I think the other possibility is?
(3) Logias qua Logias cannot be damaged without haki; whether or not they can be hit without haki depends on their element.
Logias precisely as logias, without reference to their specific element, or any fact other than that they are logias, do not take damage without haki infused attacks (or standard devil fruit weaknesses, or unfavorable matchups such as Enel vs. Luffy, none of which are obviously at play here and will thus be left out of the discussion).
But have we ever actually been explicitly told they can't be HIT without haki? It seems reasonable to think this from some of what we have seen, especially early on, but I think we have seen enough to actually contradict it. I want to claim that it has been specific elements doing the work:
Ace: Fire. Fire can neither be "hit" in any meaningful way, nor "damaged." Scare quotes signify that I am not even sure what it means to hit or damage fire.
Enel: Lightning. See Ace.
Kizaru: Light. I REALLY don't know what it means to hit or damage LIGHT.
Now, let's look at the exceptions…
Aokiji: Ice. Aokiji's element is solid. If someone punches Aokiji iced out, without haki, does his hand just pass through Aokiji? I think that's a bit ridiculous: Hands don't pass through ice. Furthermore, if Aokiji ices himself over, and someone punches him hard enough, I see no reason why that part of Aokiji shouldn't break/shatter. That is not to say that he would be damaged in any way - he could just reform. I think we may have even seen this at some point, but I'm not sure. The point is: Without haki, I would think you could actually HIT aokiji, though not damage him.
Caribou: Swamp. When he is hit, the attacker tends to just sink into him. This seems to entail that his element, in an importantly different way than lightning or fire, touches you. I would think that if Luffy, using no haki at all, bazooka'd Caribou, he'd splatter. Would he be harmed? I seriously doubt that - he could just reform, no problem. But can he actually be TOUCHED or HIT? Yes. (I think we've actually seen him carried without haki…)
(Interesting case: Caesar Clown: Gas. Can't be touched (there is an instance where Luffy grabs him with unblackened arms, and I DO think this confirms colorless haki; it just makes no sense, otherwise, to be able to grab a gas, unless this is an error that was missed by editors (see (1) above).)
I want to understand Trebol in a way similar to Caribou. Fire, Lightning, Light are meaningfully different than things like Ice, Swamp, or Mucus; the latter are solid/semi-solid, and as such can be touched in a way that lightning, for example, cannot.
So, even if Luffy DID use colorless haki, the point is this: Luffy hitting Trebol does not mean he was using colorless haki; since Trebol is a mucus man, you can touch him, even if you cannot actually hurt him. (Heck, he didn't even look banged up afterwards, but admittedly we only saw a couple small panels of his face after the hit.)
So, Luffy hitting Trebol does not confirm colorless Haki (even though I think other circumstances do, and though I accept colorless Haki).
This is not nearly as clear as it could be. I'll improve it if I can.
Anyway, it is possible I have said nothing interesting here. Maybe people already think these things. As a consolation prize, I think this is interesting: in relation to the "states" of logia elements - solid, gas, semi-solid… What about liquid? Specifically, what about the Water Water fruit? Is that even metaphysically possible in the one piece universe? I think we need to know more about devil fruits before being able to answer that. Would it be OP, since it would essentially have no weakness, or would it just result in an otherwise normal person who now can no longer swim and is constantly fatigued/passing out? I have no idea, but I think it would be a lot of fun to think about.
No, he didn't. The chest of the body was covered in blood in the last chapter, making the tattoo impossible to see.
It is also possible that while Luffy distracted DD, he switched back with the fodder after the initial switch to doge the bullets.
So Doflamingo might be the next One Piece character to really die and the first by Luffy's hands. Seriously, I don't see him flying away aftrr the battle and he can't simply be put in jail being a Celestial Dragon. He will certainly die and all the blame will be put on Luffy and Law.
Damn, I'd really love that! One Piece doesn't seem to be that kind of manga, when MC is resposible for killing main villian, but after all the dmg Law did, and now Luffy going to beat the shit out of Doffla… ok probably gonna be jailed or outcasted or some shit anyway and not die ;P
I'm not questioning Fujitora right now, though god knows I should. I'm asking how in the hell Dofla came into conclusion that bringing every single strong fighter to him was a good idea.
Also, perhaps Fujitora could apply his mastery of one of four fundamental forces of gravity to the strings, if nothing else? Pretty sure he should be capable of stopping it with a bit of effort.
I suppose Doflamingo's just that confident. He made himself a target before when the birdcage first went up and now figures, somewhat correctly, that most of the fighters are too injured or exhausted from fighting his men to pose much of a threat.
Fujitora should really try and stop the birdcage or create an escape since the thing is now actively endangering citizens rather than just containing them. Before you could say that his marines were capable of subduing most of the controlled victims, but now they're pretty much useless.
this chapter was so friggen good
Decent chapter (except for Law's constant pulling techniques out of his ass), but Oda's editor needs to cowboy up and tell him to end this shit. The OP world is such an amazing place, but we've spent 80+ chapters in the same damn place and it looks like Oda just keeps coming up with ways to make it keep going. All of the breaks plus all of this moving the goal post is really pissing me off. I'll keep reading the series obviously, but there's prolonging stuff now just means I'll be in my 50s when OP ends.
Well that was a poor move, don't introduce two super moves that just don't work mesh well logically.
Maybe he should have used a different move here, it clearly states his organs are destroyed, patchwork healing with magic strings of any kind doesn't seem to justify recovering from that. Wording is a bit ambigious, so there is room for explanation but it was set up to be some ultimate organ destroying move that shouldn't be recoverable with basic patchwork surgery. Just reminds of some old illogical leaps, cough, Hancock's love arrows that do physical damage and being able to turn people partily to stone without lust. It's not like Crocodile whose stuff was just varying applications of his DF.
and I'd speculate DF's strings have a sense of touch at least, similar to Sani of Toriko, Doflamingo uses with way more precision than he has any rights to if they have no senses and are small enough to be invisible to the naked eye. Though in contrast to that I find it annoying how Law finds it taxing to maintain a huge room, but DF can apparently do a birdcage with 2x the radius, yet fight normally at the same time with no sign of effort or "running out of strings".
I don't understand how there can still be confusion regarding the existence of Armament and Armament Hardening. Mistakes get corrected in volume releases. Nothing was corrected in volume releases regarding this.
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Actually, if I got it right, Law changed places with the fodder guy AFTER he was shot. He even mentions Doflamingo didn't hit his vitals before changing places (also, I am not sure if Oda would allow one of his good guys to send a fodder to death like that).
Problem with this, though, is… what was the point in doing it?
I'm not questioning Fujitora right now
I like how quotable this is.
