As a side note, all seats so far got defeated by swordmen. Vergo by law, who is a swordman even if he also has a broken DF, diamante by Kyros, Pica by Zoro.
Hmmm, I wonder what swordman is free..
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Chapter 780: "The Heart's Curse"
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Your "neighbor example" is quite incorrect.
You should put it like this to be equal to Robin's situtation:
My neighbor has studied perticle physics. We should put him to jail because with his knowledge he could create a nuclear bomb or put plans in the internet.Your argument is unsubstantial, because in it the person posseses knowledge, but not means.
Proper argument would be: My neighbor has studied particle physics. He is fully capable of building the bomb thanks to having necessary materials and tools. He is going to tell the entire world that he is fully capable of doing just that.
Also, revealing secrets that treatens national security is crime. You go in prison for it. IN THE FIRST WORLD DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES!
So yeah, if someone posses sensitive informations and reveals it, we put him in jail. This is something that happens.
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Interesting. Incidentally, Kinemon too is a swordsman. Plus Trebol is so stupid that Kinemon could get him to lower his guard next time he disguises himself as Doflamingo.
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I got nothing to add on what you said in response to my post. As for the moral debate? Akainu is evil, but believes he is doing it for the greater good. So he might be either Lawful evil or even chaotic good
He does despicable things but he does so because of his "absolute justice", so he doesn't do it for evil motivations.I did read it. I've read all of One Piece. I just didn't want to risk mispelling it and find it easier to call it Sky Island anyways.
Kuzan is insane, I agree . As for trusting Smoker less? Well of course you would, everytime we've ever seen him he's either losing a fight or teaming up with pirates! I wouldn't trust him either! But I'd trust Akainu even less! He could turn on me and kill me at any time just for the greater good aka his ""absolute justice ". I wouldn't trust him as far as I can spit. I DO feel militarization of the Marines is a wise idea though. They need ALOT more power and strength if they want to crush the constantly growing pirate threat.That's exactly how I feel about Skypiea aka Sky Island Saga. It was added once he realized he could make the manga longer. It also explains why we got to Alabasta at such a rapid pace, only for the remainder of part 1 of One Piece to feel long and drawn out. (Seriously. Stop and think about how long each saga actually is compared to how much was actually achieved)
Personally I WOULD like to see Zoro tag in for this but I don't see it happening. All told, I'm genuinely not sure HOW this fight will continue. Luffy is going to win, but it'd be rediculous if he did so alone against both of them.
exactly. It's impossible to predict.I wouldn't call Akainu good because he is more like Frollo where he speaks about justice but is cruel to those who are truly in need of his help. He might say he is righteous but his viewpoints and actions say something else. He sees the world in a very black and white point of view to the point that even be the child of a pirate makes one worthy of death. Akainu is like Frollo with superpowers and even more authority.
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Kuzan is insane, I agree . As for trusting Smoker less? Well of course you would, everytime we've ever seen him he's either losing a fight or teaming up with pirates! I wouldn't trust him either! But I'd trust Akainu even less! He could turn on me and kill me at any time just for the greater good aka his ""absolute justice ".
Hey, it actually takes quite a lot of him to kill a person.
Whom did he killed or tried to kill? Mutinier, deserter, wanted criminals?
Ohara is the only exception, but I would guess that the probability of there being a second Island that researches stones with locations of ancient WMDs and secrets that threaten national security is quite low.
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I wouldn't call Akainu good because he is more like Frollo where he speaks about justice but is cruel to those who are truly in need of his help.
When? If anything, when Whitebeard is just about to slaughter more marines, it's Akainu that steps in to stop him. When was running away, and burning marines in his way alive, it's Akainu that steps in to stop him.
It's hardly as one-sided as you say.
He might say he is righteous but his viewpoints and actions say something else. He sees the world in a very black and white point of view to the point that even be the child of a pirate makes one worthy of death. Akainu is like Frollo with superpowers and even more authority.
If bloodlines were everything to him, he would have made moves against Garp as well.
Pretty sure that if Ace became a marine that fought pirates in the first line of fire, Sakazuki would not mind him one bit.
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@Portgas-D-Ace:
Interesting. Incidentally, Kinemon too is a swordsman. Plus Trebol is so stupid that Kinemon could get him to lower his guard next time he disguises himself as Doflamingo.
Don't know about Kinemon, I expected he would do more this arc, for some good chapters he just chills with kanjuro, viola, king, usopp.
And he would need a reason to run to luffy from the place he is now.
Maybe Oda wants to save his fights for Wano country. I would sure like to see Kanjuro fight, would like to see how he uses his DF in battle.
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I, for one, would love to see Kinemon in action.
Here is an outline of the scenario in my head.
Someone notifies Doflamingo how shit has turned against them and Manshelly is free.
Trebol is sent to capture her back.
Viola notices Trebol going for Manshelly and informs the King, Usopp, Kinemon, etc.
Kinemon and Kanjuro move to face Trebol.It's quite speculative, but just might happen.
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Darth, pretty please go with that Akainu discussion continuation to Marineford thread
Since yesterday you are still at it and chapter wasnt so bad that we have to talk about Akainu :ninja:Or ask around if you can open "justice and morals" thread where everything connected to characters, their approach to morals etc can be discussed, just idea, nothing more.
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I think Doffy's new move looks pretty bad.
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Darth, pretty please go with that Akainu discussion continuation to Marineford thread
Since yesterday you are still at it and chapter wasnt so bad that we have to talk about Akainu :ninja:Half of this chapter are panels showing either a gun or face of somebody. There is little to no movement, Doffy's being nonsensical again, and the cliffhanger rests firmly on Oda subverting his long time rules.
This is bad no matter how I look at it, and discussing Akainu actually reminds of things I like about One Piece. Like moral ambiguity. And magma fists.
The best part of the chapter is "Break White" of Doflamingo, and that move doesn't even make sense when we have "Parasite" around, which is by far more effective, damn it.
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I'm curious if Luffy would be able to break through Doffy's parasite. I mean, has it ever been confirmed that there's a limit to it? It's been shown Doffy can full on control people with it but with say, Jozu and Sanji, he merely stopped them with it. If there is a limit like "I can only control people up to a certain strength" then he would probably just be able to freeze Luffy and I could totally see Luffy somehow overcoming it and breaking through it. I don't know…just spewing thoughts. :p
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I, for one, would love to see Kinemon in action.
Here is an outline of the scenario in my head.
Someone notifies Doflamingo how shit has turned against them and Manshelly is free.
Trebol is sent to capture her back.
Viola notices Trebol going for Manshelly and informs the King, Usopp, Kinemon, etc.
Kinemon and Kanjuro move to face Trebol.It's quite speculative, but just might happen.
Yeah, me too I'm looking forward to Kinemon fighting. And if he does throw down in this arc your scenario could totally lead to the clash.
@uniaka:
Maybe Oda wants to save his fights for Wano country. I would sure like to see Kanjuro fight, would like to see how he uses his DF in battle.
That could be the case, you're right. It would be interesting to see how he measures up against his fellow countrymen.
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The best part of the chapter is "Break White" of Doflamingo, and that move doesn't even make sense when we have "Parasite" around, which is by far more effective, damn it.
No reason Doffy can't have both, right? Not everybody needs to pull a Dio and forget about all of their moves when they finally fight the hero
@Heavenly:
I'm curious if Luffy would be able to break through Doffy's parasite. I mean, has it ever been confirmed that there's a limit to it? It's been shown Doffy can full on control people with it but with say, Jozu and Sanji, he merely stopped them with it. If there is a limit like "I can only control people up to a certain strength" then he would probably just be able to freeze Luffy and I could totally see Luffy somehow overcoming it and breaking through it. I don't know…just spewing thoughts. :p
Isn't the "trap-people-with-strings" a different move?
Either way, Doffy was able to precisely control at least a few dozen soldiers plus Riku over a fairly wide area in the flashback. On top of that, he controlled Atmos at Marineford; sure, the guy may not have been that strong for a Whitebeard division commander, but…he was a Whitebeard division commander. He HAS to be able to Parasite some pretty tough dudes. Bellamy even had confirmed Haki and he couldn't resist either.
So what's going to prevent him from Parasiting Luffy? Better Haki? New rubber powers? I have no doubt that Luffy will win, but it is looking pretty tough...who would have thought that the String-String fruit would let you do everything?
Rah, speculation!
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Since yesterday you are still at it and chapter wasnt so bad that we have to talk about Akainu :ninja:
To be fair, he isn't just talking to himself. People are engaging him.
@Portgas-D-Ace:
Plus Trebol is so stupid that Kinemon could get him to lower his guard next time he disguises himself as Doflamingo.
Is he really stupid though? I feel like it's partially an act and he's really devilishly smart.
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@Bittersweet:
So what's going to prevent him from Parasiting Luffy? Better Haki? New rubber powers? I have no doubt that Luffy will win, but it is looking pretty tough…who would have thought that the String-String fruit would let you do everything?
Rah, speculation!
Well, I won't call it everything till I see Doffy doing a Kamehameha with strings.
As for Luffy and parasite, I think it would be good chance to show how a person with CoC is different from your average tough guys.
What's better than a conqueror to break free from someone's control right?Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
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Is he really stupid though? I feel like it's partially an act and he's really devilishly smart.
Well, I wasn't really serious about him being stupid enough to fall for that kind of shenanigan. It was meant as a joke, albeit not a very good one. Indeed, the most I can say about him is that he is kind of reckless.
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Some stuff
Parasite most likely cannot be used if somebody is "on some level of strength" - some minor Vice Admirals can fall victim to it I think but not people like Sanji for example.
Otherwise Doflamingo would take control of him and try to destroy sunny using Sanji. Atomos during war was strongerst pirate we seen Doflamingo taking over with Parasite, Jozu was only stopped with strings same as Sanji so physical power and strength in general most likely plays some role when it comes to parasite being effective.
So I wonder now if you gotten to part 7 of JoJo Bizarre.. For me it was as good as best arcs out of One Piece and Valentine is surely one character that you SHOULD be liking for his character.
As for what you like - too bad for you that you have to think about past One Piece to feel good as I am having very good time with Dressrosa
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As for Luffy and parasite, I think it would be good chance to show how a person with CoC is different from your average tough guys.
What's better than a conqueror to break free from someone's control right?See, I'm somewhat averse to the idea. It's not Luffy winning thanks to his skills, it's Luffy winning thanks to being born special.
And an asspull at that, since we never seen CoC counter devil fruits.
I have this terrible feeling Doffy will forget he even has parasite for the purpoes of this fight…
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To be fair, he isn't just talking to himself. People are engaging him.
I was talking about it yesterday with Darth, possibly started Akainu subject by calling him an idiot(Akainu).
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Parasite most likely cannot be used if somebody is "on some level of strength" - some minor Vice Admirals can fall victim to it I think but not people like Sanji for example.
Otherwise Doflamingo would take control of him and try to destroy sunny using Sanji. Atomos during war was strongerst pirate we seen Doflamingo taking over with Parasite, Jozu was only stopped with strings same as Sanji so physical power and strength in general most likely plays some role when it comes to parasite being effective.
I don't think Luffy surpassed Jozu in terms of pure physical power and strength yet. Jozu was throwing thousands of tons of ice around in Marineford.
Pretty sure Doffy could seal Luffy's movements with Parasite.
@sabinis:So I wonder now if you gotten to part 7 of JoJo Bizarre.. For me it was as good as best arcs out of One Piece and Valentine is surely one character that you SHOULD be liking for his character.
Not yet. I'm finishing part 2 right now… slowly. Academic work. Eating away my free time.
As for what you like - too bad for you that you have to think about past One Piece to feel good as I am having very good time with Dressrosa
I was having a very good time with Dressrosa, until we hit the half-way point. Great setup, Great expectations. Then a bunch of stuff I really hated happened.
Then there was Flashback, which I liked.
And then we returned to Dressrosa, with it being mostly mediocre, with many moments that are personaly annoying to me, and some great moments few and far between.
That's how Dressrosa was for me.
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I was talking about it yesterday with Darth, possibly started Akainu subject by calling him an idiot(Akainu).
I am fair- I suggested thread for justice in One Piece as subject is pretty interesting but derails even derailed chapter threads imo.There is a thread like that already.
I believe this is where I was first called a Nazi.
Good times.
Still, we've got some good off-topic, let's get back on topic.
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See, I'm somewhat averse to the idea. It's not Luffy winning thanks to his skills, it's Luffy winning thanks to being born special.
And an asspull at that, since we never seen CoC counter devil fruits.
I agree with this 100%. If Luffy uses Busoushoku Haki, at least that would be a victory he earned instead of inherited. There was that time Doffy burst out of Kuzan's ice, though…but that could have been any number of things.
I have this terrible feeling Doffy will forget he even has parasite for the purpoes of this fight…
If that day comes, it will be accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Parasite most likely cannot be used if somebody is "on some level of strength" - some minor Vice Admirals can fall victim to it I think but not people like Sanji for example.
Otherwise Doflamingo would take control of him and try to destroy sunny using Sanji. Atomos during war was strongerst pirate we seen Doflamingo taking over with Parasite, Jozu was only stopped with strings same as Sanji so physical power and strength in general most likely plays some role when it comes to parasite being effective.
So I wonder now if you gotten to part 7 of JoJo Bizarre.. For me it was as good as best arcs out of One Piece and Valentine is surely one character that you SHOULD be liking for his character.
You could be right about Parasite, but when he stopped Jozu and Sanji, he didn't do the "puppeteer hands," so I thought that was something different, like throwing out strings in a web to catch instead of a line to cut. Hopefully we'll find out in a few days.
Also, Valentine IS a One Piece character
I was talking about it yesterday with Darth, possibly started Akainu subject by calling him an idiot(Akainu).
I am fair- I suggested thread for justice in One Piece as subject is pretty interesting but derails even derailed chapter threads imo.I haven't been here long enough to participate in one of those discussions! I wanted my turn too!
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It looks like dofla is getting more serious. break white users 2 hands, I think this is the first time he has used both hands.
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@Heavenly:
I'm curious if Luffy would be able to break through Doffy's parasite. I mean, has it ever been confirmed that there's a limit to it? It's been shown Doffy can full on control people with it but with say, Jozu and Sanji, he merely stopped them with it. If there is a limit like "I can only control people up to a certain strength" then he would probably just be able to freeze Luffy and I could totally see Luffy somehow overcoming it and breaking through it. I don't know…just spewing thoughts. :p
That may be a plot point in their fight. Doflamingo tries to control Luffy, but then he unleashes CoC to break free. Either way we are seeing two people with CoC clash. I would expect something of large caliber to happen so we learn more about the Conqueror's spirit.
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I don't think Luffy surpassed Jozu in terms of pure physical power and strength yet. Jozu was throwing thousands of tons of ice around in Marineford.
Pretty sure Doffy could seal Luffy's movements with Parasite.
Not yet. I'm finishing part 2 right now… slowly. Academic work. Eating away my free time.
I was having a very good time with Dressrosa, until we hit the half-way point. Great setup, Great expectations. Then a bunch of stuff I really hated happened.
Then there was Flashback, which I liked.
And then we returned to Dressrosa, with it being mostly mediocre, with many moments that are personaly annoying to me, and some great moments few and far between.
That's how Dressrosa was for me.
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There is a thread like that already.
I believe this is where I was first called a Nazi.
Good times.
Still, we've got some good off-topic, let's get back on topic.
Look at size of rocks that Luffy was throwing around before timeskip - while covered in wounds and bandages.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-50810-12/one-piece/chapter-582.html
Now he is times stronger so he could be around as strong as Jozu was at marineford. I would not be suprised and I expect this kind of beastly strength from Luffy now.There is justice thread? So I have to dig it from dead then.
As for JoJo I hope I wont affect your experience but for me its pretty clear you will like the most part 7, possibly calling Valentine your new love
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Maybe Luffy could consciously use his CoO combined with his freakish speed to avoid being hit by parasite, or even evade the full-body block?
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It looks like dofla is getting more serious. break white users 2 hands, I think this is the first time he has used both hands.
He was holding down Jozu with both hands making gestures
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So its first time he used 2 hands since Marineford and fighting Jozu so as you said looks like he gotten pretty serious against Luffy in last chapter.
In 3 days carnage should start.. I hope Oda wont split fight too much to show us more of Sabo vs Mr X(Burgess) and possibly wounded Trebol vs Cabbahuba or somebody else.@Bittersweet:
You could be right about Parasite, but when he stopped Jozu and Sanji, he didn't do the "puppeteer hands," so I thought that was something different, like throwing out strings in a web to catch instead of a line to cut. Hopefully we'll find out in a few days.
Also, Valentine IS a One Piece character
I haven't been here long enough to participate in one of those discussions! I wanted my turn too!
Mingo also stopped Oars and then he cut off his leg ? I dont remember perfectly though.
Wonder why he didnt just cut in half Sanji like he cut Oars leg.. Maybe Sanjis body is too durable for that stuff ? :ninja:
And JoJos Valentine is best Valentine there is.Also Darth - I may be burned for saying this but I enjoy watching animated Part 1 and 2 of JoJo- more than reading its Manga chapters. Animated Battle Tendency is top notch so to save time you can watch it, its like OVA so you wont loose anything.
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I do think too that what Doula did to Sanji and Jozu was a string trap technique different from parasite, besides I don't think Doula can activate Law's rooms or Luffy 2nd gear thru parasite, so using it against any of those 2 is pretty useless.
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I do think too that what Doula did to Sanji and Jozu was a string trap technique different from parasite, besides I don't think Doula can activate Law's rooms or Luffy 2nd gear thru parasite, so using it against any of those 2 is pretty useless.
Yeah, it seems he can any control motor functions. It's no mind control.
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I wouldn't call Akainu good because he is more like Frollo where he speaks about justice but is cruel to those who are truly in need of his help. He might say he is righteous but his viewpoints and actions say something else. He sees the world in a very black and white point of view to the point that even be the child of a pirate makes one worthy of death. Akainu is like Frollo with superpowers and even more authority.
Fair point. Perhaps Lawful Evil then.
Hey, it actually takes quite a lot of him to kill a person.
Whom did he killed or tried to kill? Mutinier, deserter, wanted criminals?
Ohara is the only exception, but I would guess that the probability of there being a second Island that researches stones with locations of ancient WMDs and secrets that threaten national security is quite low.
Coby says hi. And even without that moment, he gives off the impression he'd kill anyone who he feels gets in the way at the slightest provocation. He's all overkill, no pun intended.
Darth, pretty please go with that Akainu discussion continuation to Marineford thread
Since yesterday you are still at it and chapter wasnt so bad that we have to talk about Akainu :ninja:Or ask around if you can open "justice and morals" thread where everything connected to characters, their approach to morals etc can be discussed, just idea, nothing more.
You kidding me? This new chapter was horrible!!! Could've skipped it entirely and missed nothing of importance! Law got shot, oh he might be dead (no big deal, we knew that last chapter), and some pointless filler essentially. Dressrosa was hyped up with many big characters (arguably too many of them in fact), then started to be extremely dragged out towards the middle/later half, and immediately after officers are losing one chapter each..making all the build up anticlimactic! And now, we are at the part that COULD redeem the arc and we are back to needless padding!
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and some pointless filler essentially.
I don't think you know what filler is.
You got the "fight scenes" you're looking for, so relax.
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@Galaxy:
I don't think you know what filler is.
You got the "fight scenes" you're looking for, so relax.
I use the term filler loosely. Even when in the manga source material, if all it achieves is padding..it's filler. The Foxy arc is an example of this. You can skip it and miss nothing of value. The fight in this specific chapter was kind of meh as well.
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You kidding me? This new chapter was horrible!!! Could've skipped it entirely and missed nothing of importance! Law got shot, oh he might be dead (no big deal, we knew that last chapter), and some pointless filler essentially. Dressrosa was hyped up with many big characters (arguably too many of them in fact), then started to be extremely dragged out towards the middle/later half, and immediately after officers are losing one chapter each..making all the build up anticlimactic! And now, we are at the part that COULD redeem the arc and we are back to needless padding!
Do you own any OP volume for Dressrosa arc?
Pace and content of chapter is cut/ made not only for a weekly reading. It works far better in volume relases.
Chapter like that is perfect tool for things to heat up, get more intense. Did you expected jump staright into fight after showing Laws body on the floor? It would not be One Piece-like thing for end such long arc..Also chapter being horrible is your opinion
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lol people still call character moments "filler"
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The Foxy arc is an example of this. You can skip it and miss nothing of value.
No, you really can't.
I've made a post about it before, so not writing something new, but here:
The Davy Back Fight also hardly was "meaningless". Even if you're going to discount Luffy's will to fight for his crewmates (the main reason he decided to go after Robin, which is why I feel it was properly emphasized in the Davy Back Fight), it still is hard to deny that the arc gave us more insight into the world of One Piece. We found out about a major "game" in the One Piece world, and got to experience what it was like to take part in it. An entire 1/4th of the arc is spent encountering Kuzan, learning more about the Marines, and encountering more Grand Line phenomenon (Sea Monkeys, the moving Long Ring Long Land, and even within the Davy Back Fight itself with the Donut Race). So really, the Davy Back Fight itself was around 12 chapters, and therefore not that big of a problem.
And with a serious Davy Back Fight being a possibility in the New World, it helps its case even more.
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@Galaxy:
The Davy Back Fight also hardly was "meaningless". Even if you're going to discount Luffy's will to fight for his crewmates (the main reason he decided to go after Robin, which is why I feel it was properly emphasized in the Davy Back Fight), it still is hard to deny that the arc gave us more insight into the world of One Piece. We found out about a major "game" in the One Piece world, and got to experience what it was like to take part in it. An entire 1/4th of the arc is spent encountering Kuzan, learning more about the Marines, and encountering more Grand Line phenomenon (Sea Monkeys, the moving Long Ring Long Land, and even within the Davy Back Fight itself with the Donut Race). So really, the Davy Back Fight itself was around 12 chapters, and therefore not that big of a problem.
I like to think it was also preparing the viewer for the crew losing both Robin and Usopp in the next arc.
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Even if Foxy was filler. . .what's so wrong with that? 15 chapters of nothing but fun and quality entertainment? Yeah, how dare Oda create a quality breather between two of the biggest mammoth sagas in the manga, both in length, action and drama?
Fun fact btw, for a while now many have been pleading Oda to please write another short arc ala Foxy, Whiskey Peak or Flying Fish Riders so we can have a little break from so much overaching plot interfeering with the individuality of the arcs own themes, characters and drama.
Also, I fail to see how we could consider Law's scenes in this chapter to be filler, and what poor ol' Foxy has to do with anything.
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The Davy Back Fight was a huge foreshadowing to the possibility of losing some crew members, since it actually happened the arc after on water 7 with Robin and Usopp. It was a sublte foreshadowing (instead of the more blatant name dropping of some cases like "Jack", "Smile", "Dadan" and others), but it was still the dominant theme of the arc and if someone somehow missed that they really didn't pay attention to how the saga was structured. Oda does not pointless things, even Doflamingo's speech at marineford about the poor and rich kids was actually about HIM, and not some cool random speech.
The Long Ring Long thing island also had the introduction of Aokiji of all things, and he too said some very important insight on Robin (and also started the process for Luffy to develop Gear Second). So really calling the arc pointless is just silly
EDIT: ninja'd by Vectorkov, i'm glad more people noticed that
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Do you own any OP volume for Dressrosa arc?
Pace and content of chapter is cut/ made not only for a weekly reading. It works far better in volume relases.
Chapter like that is perfect tool for things to heat up, get more intense. Did you expected jump staright into fight after showing Laws body on the floor? It would not be One Piece-like thing for end such long arc..Also chapter being horrible is your opinion
But you know, if you actually read the thread, it's not like it was full of high praise…
And you guys get some really special volume releases, or something? Because I have re-read the arc for beginning to end thrice as of now, an I don't see this massive improvement in quality...
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We desperately need a breather in sunny, or a little adventure, but the crew split right now makes it hard.
Maybe after Jimbe joins, we'll have a silly little adventure with the crew.
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Do you own any OP volume for Dressrosa arc?
Pace and content of chapter is cut/ made not only for a weekly reading. It works far better in volume relases.
Chapter like that is perfect tool for things to heat up, get more intense. Did you expected jump staright into fight after showing Laws body on the floor? It would not be One Piece-like thing for end such long arc..Also chapter being horrible is your opinion
I do own a volume of the Dressrosa arc. I've also reread the arc in bulk a few times. I still feel the same way. It's like Skypeia all over again (again other arc that dragged on entirely too long) and that one I read all at once! (I followed didn't get up to date until Impel Down arc was still running)
@Galaxy:
No, you really can't.
I've made a post about it before, so not writing something new, but here:
And with a serious Davy Back Fight being a possibility in the New World, it helps its case even more.
I meant aside from the Aokiji moment which could've been in any arc anyways. Luffy's will to help crewmates was displayed in other arcs as well. This major "game" seemed to be only played by Foxy's crew so I don't see it as major. The grand line phenomenon I didn't realize was a part of the foxy arc..I thought it was a part of another arc…been awhile but either way COULD have been placed in another arc. My main compliant is with Foxy himself and the Davy Back Fight
Edit: wow. Autocorrect butchered my sentences to the point I'm not even sure some of what I was saying. Oh well, hopefully you get the general jist.
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But you know, if you actually read the thread, it's not like it was full of high praise…
I've been following the thread since the beginning, and it's the same mix of praise and criticism as always.
And you guys get some really special volume releases, or something? Because I have re-read the arc for beginning to end thrice as of now, an I don't see this massive improvement in quality…
A good translation goes a long way in improving the reading experience.
Mangastream/Mangapanda just don't cut it.
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@Galaxy:
I don't think you know what filler is.
Pretty sure I know what filler is.
For example, showing a shot of Luffy's angry face and Bellamy's beaten mug is pretty fillery. Or having three seperate shots for Doffy shooting Law.
Art in this chapter feels like something Toei would do to pad in a normal chapter to full length anime episode.
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I guess if I didn't despise Foxy with a passion I wouldn't have minded the arc..but either way it was mostly filler, whether I'd liked it or not. Don't misunderstand. I don't mind shorter arcs. Calling something filler doesn't mean I love it or hate it. I've liked some actual anime filler before, actually.
However I do hate the filler occurring in Dressrosa. Just saying.
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@Galaxy:
I've been following the thread since the beginning, and it's the same mix of praise and criticism as always.
Feels like people are defending chapter from me with less vigor then usual, so maybe that's why.
@Galaxy:
A good translation goes a long way in improving the reading experience.
Mangastream/Mangapanda just don't cut it.
You know, translation being shitty aside, that's not why I hate those chapters.
The only thing that's somewhat improved by reading it all at the same time it's the pace, things I dislike are some story themes, some character moments, some inconsistencies… none of which are fixed in volume version, you know?
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Pretty sure I know what filler is.
If you're calling stuff in a manga chapter filler, you don't.
Showing the characters get to a certain spot and a fight starting is progression. It's the pure definition of a setup chapter.
For example, showing a shot of Luffy's angry face and Bellamy's beaten mug is pretty fillery. Or having three seperate shots for Doffy shooting Law.
Character emotions and showing Bellamy when it's related to the fight isn't filler.
The latter part is tension, which you've said is too "stupid" for you, but is still there regardless.
Art in this chapter feels like something Toei would do to pad in a normal chapter to full length anime episode.
Comparing Oda's art to Toei's art? I don't even know what to say to this.
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Filler is anything that is added as padding that slows down pacing or adds little to nothing of significant value. It doesn't have to be anime filler to be filler. Your definition is too rigid.
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Filler is anything that is added as padding that slows down pacing or adds little to nothing of significant value. It doesn't have to be anime filler to be filler. Your definition is too rigid.
Padding is the word you're looking for.
Filler is anything not in the comic.
And one chapter that focuses on character moments and Luffy actually arriving on scene and starting to fight Doflamingo isn't filler or padding. It's just not what you want to see.
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But you know, if you actually read the thread, it's not like it was full of high praise…
And you guys get some really special volume releases, or something? Because I have re-read the arc for beginning to end thrice as of now, an I don't see this massive improvement in quality...
I feel like this the only arc where re-reading it in bulk doesn't even help, which is a damn shame.
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@Galaxy:
If you're calling stuff in a manga chapter filler, you don't.
Filler is a material that is combined with material of greater relevance or quality to fill out a piece of art to fit the certain format.
It does not mean that it cannot be done by the original author.
So if anything, it's you who does not know what the filler is.
@Galaxy:
Character emotions and showing Bellamy when it's related to the fight isn't filler.
If it happened last chapter, it sure is.
@Galaxy:
The latter part is tension, which you've said is too "stupid" for you, but is still there regardless.
Yes, there is so much tension there have been people calling people morons for believing Law could possibly die.
TENSION!
@Galaxy:
Comparing Oda's art to Toei's art? I don't even know what to say to this.
One third of this chapter are angry faces taking up the entire panel.
There are nearly no backgrounds.
Oda isn't bloody flawless and the art in this chapter is lacking. And yes, showing bunch of faces instead of actually drawing characters is something that Toei does. Frequently.
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Filler (noun)- thing put in a space or container to fill it.
This could also include content imho,such as what I've described in a manga.
@Sarrik:I feel like this the only arc where re-reading it in bulk doesn't even help, which is a damn shame.
I said the same in a previous post so yeah…agreed. Reading in Bulk doesn't help.
