Iam not hooked by that food-theory, because Wano was presented as an independant state, that was able to keep florishing without having to bow to the WG.
Seems for me like a autonomous nation, able to provide their own food.
It is a possibility that Kaidou may besets the country, but such a bad-tempered yonkou wouldn`t act so patient in my book, even BigMum seems in this scenario unlikely.
Also having the plausible samurai-antics explanation makes it obvious to deny the food-theory.
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Being Vagabond fan doesnt make you samurai specialist
lol Vagabond barely plays around with samurai tropes considering the main character barely acts like one.
See here you're already acting like "lol at this specialist caring about silly details no one cares about".
Wonder if Japanese people think of samurai/bushido type stuff is silly details rather than a huge portion of their history good or bad.But all jokes aside - all I seen was making samurais in One Piece quite quirky based on some of samurai "stuff", nothing that can exclude possibility of Wano going through crisis, food crisis being something quite new and also giving some big role to characters like Sanji.
Actually something does, it's called the "Tokugawa Era" which heavily seems to be the era of Japan Oda will base Wano off of.
The crisis in question being "ancient proud isolated civilization being forced to end their isolation" whether through Kaido or whatever. Famine? Nothing. Nothing at all to do with that period of history.
Now if Wano was One Piece Ireland from the same time period of history yeah sure, famine indeed. But no see it's Japan.Also what the hell would Sanji's "big role" be. Giving hungry people food? Wow! What drama!
We are yet to know what Zou is and then we might have new ideas on what problems Wano is facing atm. Right now you are as right as any of us so act like normal person, not like One Piece prophet.
lol prophet.
Everything I'm saying about the Tokugawa is about as prophet as an American pointing out if Oda was American and making an arc based off our civil war. It's not obscure niche knowledge in Japan. I don't think Japan even ever faced a major famine like Ukraine, Ireland, China, Bengal, Ethiopia or anywhere like those. It hasn't lodged itself in their cultural memory in any fashion.
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@Monkey:
What are you even talking about.
There are four Wano samurai and they call eachother comrades or something or other?
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the samurai stubbornly refusing aid that just so happens to be food.
Kinemon also refused other forms of help early on in Monty Python black knight style, but no one's talking about that because it doesn't support a theory.That you think it's some shallow detail that couldn't be the explanation just highlights the crap out of your unfamiliarity with the tropes.
So, basically, your only argument is "it's a samurai trope". Like, there's no way Oda hinted something deeper there? I'm not really content with your answer, honestly.
I'll probably remember this discussion if it actually turns out people on Wano are starving due to Kaido's occupation or something.
Btw, I almost forgot about Sanji's comment here:
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It's not much, but unless there's more than them just refusing out of pride and stubborness, it's a useless comment. Maybe it's a hint, maybe it's not, but that kind of remark often turns out to be a hint in OP. Of course, maybe Kinemon's story which was revealed later is what Sanji sensed, who knows. But just because Japan of the era didn't suffer from famine, doesn't mean Oda can't put it in the story.
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So, basically, your only argument is "it's a samurai trope".
Also the Tokugawa basis for Wano, but I don't even need that. Arguments aren't counted by quantity btw, quality is generally prized.
Like, there's no way Oda hinted something deeper there?
Yeah he hinted at the deep complex wierd issue of pride in Japanese culture not so long ago.
I'm not really content with your answer, honestly.
Which is meaningless because you're ignorant of the relevance and weight of the trope. You just see it as boring shallowness.
Much like you saw Oda reading Latin alphabets to get at a language that uses many similar characters as his own. Mm yes.I'll probably remember this discussion if it actually turns out people on Wano are starving due to Kaido's occupation or something.
So the completely isolated country island will starve because of an outside guy how?
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So the completely isolated country island will starve because of an outside guy how?
Kaido attacked with his beastmen, took control of a significant part of the island, burned crops, killed livestock, not enough remains to support entire population.
Or Wano burned their crops themselves to slow Kaido.
Or he used some kind of poison obtained from his partner who was the boss of an evil scientist.
Or he used weapons obtained from his partner who has a weapons factory or he used weapons his own factories produce.
Maybe Wano isn't isolated in the sense that nobody can come to Wano and nobody leaves Wano. We saw Ace has been there, at least. Maybe they DO trade with outside on occasion.
Maybe a natural (or induced) crisis not unlike the one on Alabasta hit Wano.
That's off the top of my head.
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@Monkey:
Also the Tokugawa basis for Wano, but I don't even need that. Arguments aren't counted by quantity btw, quality is generally prized.
Yeah he hinted at the deep complex wierd issue of pride in Japanese culture not so long ago.
Which is meaningless because you're ignorant of the relevance and weight of the trope. You just see it as boring shallowness.
Much like you saw Oda reading Latin alphabets to get at a language that uses many similar characters as his own. Mm yes.So the completely isolated country island will starve because of an outside guy how?
I think that basing whole argumentation purely on trope while holds some value is limiting yourself.
Its discussion and while nobody is denying that samurai trope is playing very big part in scenes we are discussing it simply doesnt feel like whole thing. More than one person has impression that Oda has left some door open in a way.Its not like anybody says that what you bring doesnt answer MOST OF question. It doesnt feel satisfying as it feels like there is more to scenes we seen - for example the one that Razh provided.
Kaido attacked with his beastmen, took control of a significant part of the island, burned crops, killed livestock, not enough remains to support entire population.
Or Wano burned their crops themselves to slow Kaido.
Or he used some kind of poison obtained from his partner who was the boss of an evil scientist.
Or he used weapons obtained from his partner who has a weapons factory or he used weapons his own factories produce.
Maybe Wano isn't isolated in the sense that nobody can come to Wano and nobody leaves Wano. We saw Ace has been there, at least. Maybe they DO trade with outside on occasion.
Maybe a natural (or induced) crisis not unlike the one on Alabasta hit Wano.
That's off the top of my head.
So Kaido might be somebody controlling Wano through hunger.. or weakening it with tactics of destroying food supply.
If Samurais are strong enough for WG/Marines not to go to Wano it means that they also can be strong enough to push back Yonko.
Kinemon might have been sent with Momo and rest to get some kind of help or food supply as Wano is on edge of falling to Kaidos hands. We dont know yet but something is up there.
Just thinking about it brings many possibilities and thats why its bad to limit to some samurai tropes that give spine to scenes but dont close up all of what there is to story/ dialoque.@Monkey:
Also what the hell would Sanji's "big role" be. Giving hungry people food? Wow! What drama!
He learned for 2 years how to cook, not only how to fight. He might be able to provide very big help as Okamas food was said to be special.
It makes person recover faster and builds up body. Something that country in crizis needs. Giving strength to fight back to many people during conflict is sometimes better than having one person with big guns you know.You let your emotions here affect you and it downgrades your posts/ arguments if you go on like that.
Your argument about no hunger crisis in Japan or something like it doesnt make impossible for hunger to be reason of crisis in Wano.
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Kaido attacked with his beastmen, took control of a significant part of the island, burned crops, killed livestock, not enough remains to support entire population.
Or Wano burned their crops themselves to slow Kaido.
Or he used some kind of poison obtained from his partner who was the boss of an evil scientist.
Or he used weapons obtained from his partner who has a weapons factory or he used weapons his own factories produce.
Maybe Wano isn't isolated in the sense that nobody can come to Wano and nobody leaves Wano. We saw Ace has been there, at least. Maybe they DO trade with outside on occasion.
Maybe a natural (or induced) crisis not unlike the one on Alabasta hit Wano.
That's off the top of my head.
None of this fits the Tokugawa theme at all. If Kaidou is Commodore Perry or somesuch he ain't causing famine.
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Would be weird to have both Kaido and Big Mom dealing with food.
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I think that basing whole argumentation purely on trope while holds some value is limiting yourself.
Only because you don't know anything about the tropes involved.
More than one person has impression that Oda has left some door open in a way.
More than one person thought the One Piece treasure would be a message from Roger hoping that Luffy enjoyed the journey. Guess I should respect that horrible garbage idea.
Its not like anybody says that what you bring doesnt answer MOST OF question. It doesnt feel satisfying as it feels like there is more to scenes we seen - for example the one that Razh provided.
No it doesn't feel satisfying because you just think of it as a small shallow thing, when it's not.
Though to be fair it also doesn't feel satisfying to you because for no reason at all you're reading too much into a small scene in the first place as bad theorizers often do.So Kaido might be somebody controlling Wano through hunger.. or weakening it with tactics of destroying food supply.
Does not fit Tokugawa/Bakumatsu era. Japanese people would be all "wtf" if Oda made famine a huge part of such a storyline. What country are you from? Let's grab a similar epoch in your history and randomly force famine into it see how native readers would react.
Kinemon might have been sent with Momo and rest to get some kind of help or food supply as Wano is on edge of falling to Kaidos hands. We dont know yet but something is up there.
Wait wtf lollllllll
Yes yes the samurai who have shown tremendous resistance to asking for help, let alone for food, are on a mission to ask for help, with food.
Samurai ain't fucking going to ask for help abroad, jesus that's so wrong it hurts.Just thinking about it brings many possibilities and thats why its bad to limit to some samurai tropes that give spine to scenes but dont close up all of what there is to story/ dialoque.
It's bad not to know shit whatsoever so you suggest hilarious wrong things like the above.
He learned for 2 years how to cook, not only how to fight. He might be able to provide very big help as Okamas food was said to be special.
It makes person recover faster and builds up body. Something that country in crizis needs. Giving strength to fight back to many people during conflict is sometimes better than having one person with big guns you know.Ok so that sounds like the subject of one chapter or a background event. Not an actual plot or character building subplot.
Your argument about no hunger crisis in Japan or something like it doesnt make impossible for hunger to be reason of crisis in Wano.
Yeah it pretty much does. I don't think you really even understand at all what I'm arguing.
Hope that as "loud" as you now are we will be seeing your posts about how wrong you were, if you will be wrong of course.
Please tell us more about samurais making journey's abroad to ask for help from foreigners.
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From the moment Kinemon was introduced we see the stubborn unwillingness to accept aid from people(well pirates anyway), to admit he feels pain, or him feeling shame for being struck by woman. I don't know much about Samurai culture but seeing all that I think most anyone would naturally assume the only reason they were starving was because they would not accept food because their Samurai pride would not allow it, and well the ship wreck of course. Some of you have looked far too deep into the hunger issue and seem to be blatantly ignoring the facts given in the story as well as ignoring the points Monkey King has brought up.
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I hate to butt into the conversation, but how does Kinemon and Momonosuke's refusal of food mean that there's a famine in their country? Wouldn't it be more likely that they, after sailing for a while and the ordeal with Doflamingo and ending up on Punk Hazard, simply ran out of food to eat on their particular journey.
And from what we know about Kaido, he has a multitude of weapons factories, an army of artificial Zoan devil fruit users, and is incredibly powerful and influential. That doesn't quite add up to "causing a famine in Wano" to me. As Monkey King mentioned, he seems to be closer to Commodore Matthew Perry and would use force to open Wano up to the world.
Oda might sort of be playing with samurai tropes, with making Kinemon a pervert and Kanjuro kind of dopey, but he's been consistent in portraying the samurai's sense of pride and honor (which is why they refused any form of help, not just food).
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@Monkey:
None of this fits the Tokugawa theme at all. If Kaidou is Commodore Perry or somesuch he ain't causing famine.
Why does the whole arc of Wano have to fit the Tokugawa theme, again? It's not like Oda is very strict in holding up to historical data. Don't see why Wano would have to suffer same problems as Tokugawa period Japan.
Maybe Kaido is then trying to open a new market for his weapon production?
Some of you have looked far too deep into the hunger issue and seem to be blatantly ignoring the facts given in the story as well as ignoring the points Monkey King has brought up.
It's not like I'm ignoring what he said (like he is), but I don't see his argument as something that throws the possibility of famine in the water. And it's not really going too deep in when "something" is implied to be going on. Whether it was just the situation with samurai on the sea or the whole Wano is yet to be seen. But if Kaido has set his eyes on Wano, I'm sure nobody there is having a picnic.
Besides, it's not like I had any interest in discussing this more than I had. That is, until Miss Congeniality here came along.
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@Below:
I hate to butt into the conversation, but how does Kinemon and Momonosuke's refusal of food mean that there's a famine in their country? Wouldn't it be more likely that they, after sailing for a while and the ordeal with Doflamingo and ending up on Punk Hazard, simply ran out of food to eat on their particular journey.
It's not just that, Sanji also thought there's more to it. And they haven't exactly stated what their whole deal is. I've seen a lot of people take note of it. That doesn't have to mean that it's true, of course. It's just that I don't like it when someone crosses out possibilities on account of one thing alone. Sometimes it's enough, but not in this case I think.
@Below:
And from what we know about Kaido, he has a multitude of weapons factories, an army of artificial Zoan devil fruit users, and is incredibly powerful and influential. That doesn't quite add up to "causing a famine in Wano" to me. As Monkey King mentioned, he seems to be closer to Commodore Matthew Perry and would use force to open Wano up to the world.
I was thinking, if there is a famine in Wano, it's not Kaido's goal, but a side effect of his invasion. Or maybe the two are unrelated and Kaido just saw an opportunity to attack a weakened country.
Don't see why Kaido would have interest to opening Wano to anything but to his own alliance.Btw, I googled "japan famine" and this popped up - Tenpo famine. Says the ruling shogun was Tokugawa Ienari. I promise I didn't write the article.
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It's not just that, Sanji also thought there's more to it. And they haven't exactly stated what their whole deal is. I've seen a lot of people take note of it. That doesn't have to mean that it's true, of course. It's just that I don't like it when someone crosses out possibilities on account of one thing alone. Sometimes it's enough, but not in this case I think.
Rather than anything else wasn't it the way they reacted to the name Sir Kaido? Or do you mean later when Sanji feeds them after Punk Hazard, he says 'Clearly they've been through a lot'. Taking into account they've been shipwrecked, their separation and having Kanjuro sacrifice himself so they could escape they really have.
Relatedly, does anybody else think that Kaido was the 4th companion? They don't seem to talk about him a lot.
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Rather than anything else wasn't it the way they reacted to the name Sir Kaido? Or do you mean later when Sanji feeds them after Punk Hazard, he says 'Clearly they've been through a lot'. Taking into account they've been shipwrecked, their separation and having Kanjuro sacrifice himself so they could escape they really have.
Relatedly, does anybody else think that Kaido was the 4th companion? They don't seem to talk about him a lot.
I'm sure the 4 Emperors are well known, even in Wano.
That's probably why Kin'emon reacted to his name.
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Rather than anything else wasn't it the way they reacted to the name Sir Kaido? Or do you mean later when Sanji feeds them after Punk Hazard, he says 'Clearly they've been through a lot'. Taking into account they've been shipwrecked, their separation and having Kanjuro sacrifice himself so they could escape they really have.
Maybe there's a more correct translation but this is what he said:
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Now, maybe it's just what they've suffered since they left Wano, I won't dispute that.
Relatedly, does anybody else think that Kaido was the 4th companion? They don't seem to talk about him a lot.
They said his name was Sangorou.
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Seems like there is no point to discuss with Depraved of AP.. you ignore all points or laugh at them, like you dont let any other thoughts get to you then ones that were with you when you started discussion on subject.
So considering what we gotten from Zoro this week and one of latest SBS from Oda- we gotten Zoro showing off his Haki that he is most talented with - CoA.
Luffy will most likely be next with showing off his CoC the most as he is given for the first time enemy with CoC. I hope for reveal of additional uses of CoC haki like Luffy using it to free himself from string trap or something like that.And Sanji will very likely get to show off his CoO skills making us think(or rather making it obvious) that he choose to block Vergos attack instead of avoiding it that he could easily culd have done thanks to his CoO and speed. He didnt let Vergo land a single hit even as fight continued to it also hints to CoO and his speed at work.
Sanji being kept away makes me also think that he will show most out of all Strawhats in short period of time - I expect some CoO mastery being shown, some new moves from him(running on water or something more related to combat) and for the first time in series long ranged strong attacks. Even Burgess(who seems to be kept offscreen and on his own adventure during this arc same as Sanji) has his elbow attack now so I guess that Sanji should not be staying as only strong fighter in Monster Trio without any ranged attacks. -
Wasnt Sangorou the name Momonosuke gave to Sanji?
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Kaido's men will be like the regent of Portugal, gaining a foothold in Japan to seek to extend their power.
Wano society will be portrayed as insular and xenophobic. Guns and new world's modern military capabilities are still a novelty and despised as a threat to Wano's traditional samurai warrior culture.Hopefully we get to see more mythical zoan df users in Wano. A Tengu would be nice.
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Wasnt Sangorou the name Momonosuke gave to Sanji?
I was going by this.
@CCC:
I honestly don't know. If it is a nickname for Sanji, he's never used it before.
It also fits the exact same format as Kanjuuro (Kanjuurou = カン十郎, Sangorou= サン五郎; both are two katakana plus two kanji).
Momo calls Brook "Sir Bone," Chopper "Choppaemon," and Nami "Onami," which are all just katakana (except for the "sir" in sir bone), so that seems like evidence that Sangoro is not a nickname for Sanji, but… still... not necessarilyI also read that Sangorou means something like "wrapped eyebrows", but since I don't know Japanese…
In any case, I doubt Kaido is the missing samurai.
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In my french volume they didn't even give a fuck and translated "Sanguro" as "Sanji".
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Wtf was I smoking. Of course it's a nickname for Sanji.
100%, no doubt.Thanks for the prompt response. :happy:
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my god those theories are mind numbing.
famine in Wano? based on one random vague line?
Kaido invading a country full of powerful and prideful warriors because he needs food?
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my god those theories are mind numbing.
famine in Wano? based on a line from mangastream scans?
Kaido invading a country full of powerful and prideful warriors because he needs food?
my brain can't take it anymore :'(No idea which discussion you read, but this post hardly contributed to it.
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your theory is very illogical, if kaido needs resources whats preventing him from taking them from the lands he already owns? or he could even invade any other land?
why would he go to a land that's full of powerful warriors (who are also not allied with other pirates or the marines)?
that choice itself is a waste of resources, he would have to know that a big number of his zoan DF solders are gonna get killed.
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corrected my original post.
your theory is very illogical, if kaido needs resources whats preventing him from taking them from the lands he already owns? or he could even invade any other land?
why would he go to a land that's full of powerful warriors (who are also not allied with other pirates or the marines)?
that choice itself is a waste of resourcesYou really should read through posts on this subject with more care.
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corrected my original post.
your theory is very illogical, if kaido needs resources whats preventing him from taking them from the lands he already owns? or he could even invade any other land?
why would he go to a land that's full of powerful warriors (who are also not allied with other pirates or the marines)?
that choice itself is a waste of resourcesIt's not even my theory and I'm just saying it's possible. And I never said I thought Kaido needed food from Wano. For all we know, Wano has some other strategic advantages. Maybe it's rich in metal ores. Maybe Kaido wants the secret to making flaming swords that can cut flames.
If you want to discuss, at least read what was discussed until now.
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i did read. that guy Monkey King debunked almost everything you guys said.
You make it sound as if we're an united front for Wano famine, lol.
And I'm sorry you see it that way.
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yeah sorry that may have been badly worded.
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i did read. that guy Monkey King debunked almost everything you guys said.
and sabinis i don't know which post you're referring to? can you please link it?Sorry I can only give a hint - the one with stuff about Wano being strong enough to fend off a Yonko as it was said to be full of samurais strong enough to keep WG/ Marines away.
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Why does the whole arc of Wano have to fit the Tokugawa theme, again?
It boils down to a basic plot conflict from there, one that wouldn't involve famine.
It's not like Oda is very strict in holding up to historical data. Don't see why Wano would have to suffer same problems as Tokugawa period Japan.
Because that plot element has already unambiguously been introduced, the fact that Wano is a hermit kingdom. Unlike say the famine plot line.
Which btw if they were famine victims maybe just maybe Oda would have drawn any of the three thus far as being super bony and sickly. Guess he hasn't done that huh.Maybe Kaido is then trying to open a new market for his weapon production?
Or probably wants to recruit samurai since they're so strong.
It's not like I'm ignoring what he said (like he is), but I don't see his argument as something that throws the possibility of famine in the water. And it's not really going too deep in when "something" is implied to be going on.
Nothing was implied. Samurai refuse help, that's just something they do. Even the kids. They have more pride than anything. There's nothing remotely suspicious about this.
It's not just that, Sanji also thought there's more to it.
When and where did he do anything of the sort?
Btw, I googled "japan famine" and this popped up - Tenpo famine. Says the ruling shogun was Tokugawa Ienari. I promise I didn't write the article.
It doesn't sound severe which was my point. All those countries I listed earlier those famines are major parts of their recent history which have lodged themselves in the cultural memory. This isn't the case with Japan. Of course they've had famine, famines were essentially normal things before more modern times and practices, but not necessarily severe culture warping ones.
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Well, I like it when you're civil.
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I'm sure the 4 Emperors are well known, even in Wano.
That's probably why Kin'emon reacted to his name.
And I don't think Kaido's the 4th companion, it doesn't make sense.Being an isolationist nation that's not neccesarily true. Even in the East Blue knowledge of the Yonkou didn't appear to be household names, though I'm sure it was in some places more than others.
There's the theory that Momo is true royalty from Wano and Kin & Kan his attendants rather than father & friend.
My thought was that he'd be a valuable hostage but Wano is powerful enough Kaido didn't want to use force yet. So he employed trickery to get Momo travelling out of the country by posing as an ally. The shipwreck was when they realized the situation and made an escape.
Dofla being in effect a vassal of Kaido would make Dressrosa unsafe for them & explain why they had to fight their way out & also why Dofla is looking for Momo by name.Thanks to Razh & everyone else, I hadn't seen (or plain forgot) the name Sangoru at all so this was interesting to read.
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@Monkey:
It boils down to a basic plot conflict from there, one that wouldn't involve famine.
Because that plot element has already unambiguously been introduced, the fact that Wano is a hermit kingdom. Unlike say the famine plot line.
Which btw if they were famine victims maybe just maybe Oda would have drawn any of the three thus far as being super bony and sickly. Guess he hasn't done that huh.Or probably wants to recruit samurai since they're so strong.
Nothing was implied. Samurai refuse help, that's just something they do. Even the kids. They have more pride than anything. There's nothing remotely suspicious about this.
When and where did he do anything of the sort?
It doesn't sound severe which was my point. All those countries I listed earlier those famines are major parts of their recent history which have lodged themselves in the cultural memory. This isn't the case with Japan. Of course they've had famine, famines were essentially normal things before more modern times and practices, but not necessarily severe culture warping ones.
Japan is one of countries where people waste most food
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/01/21/editorials/an-appalling-waste-of-food/#.VPKxp3yG-FQ
Oda doing arc reminding about food shortage problems in some places would hold additional value for readers. Even as Wano will most likely be "Hermit Kingdom" as you called it Oda might touch upon some problems that Japan has, wasting food when some countries suffer hunger would be great.
If something is not very big in countrys history then its even more of a reason for author of most known manga in Japan to use in his story.
If Oda would go only along historical rails with his stories he would limit himself and become predictable to higher degree that he is atm.I dont understand why you are so hard headed when it comes to Oda sticking to history etc while arc didnt started yet, its foolish to assume you are 100% right while many people gotten different impression than you did when it comes to Wano having problems with hunger thing..
As for your argument about recruting samurais - if I would use it you would be like:
"Are you mindnumb ? Can you quit posting here until you go and read some books? How can somebody recruit Samurais that would want die with honor than be forced to work under some pirate they hate?!"
And you were writing about "quality arguments" just some posts ago. You really dont consider any other options when it comes to hunger problem?
Oda used scene with party and put extra effort to Kinemon and Momo eating scene. Them going all out with tears as they started to eat might hold extra value and be hint itself.
There was also Kanjuro with them - guy that was implied to product food with his DF at least for Kinemon before.Also look here
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c696/14.html
<sorry if="" somebody="" cannot="" see="" page,="" powermanga="" doesnt="" work="" for="" me="" today="" somehow="" and="" mangafox="" is="" fastest="">Kinemon was comforting Momo that its alright to eat and that they have to believe that "they are alright" - most likely "they" mean people of Wano. It looked like Momo felt guilt when he thought that he can eat to fullest when his countrymen are starving.</sorry> -
Japan is one of countries where people waste most food
[http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/01/21/editorials/an-appalling-waste-of-food/#.VPKxp3yG-FQ
Oda doing arc reminding about food shortage problems in some places would hold additional value for readers. Even as Wano will most likely be "Hermit Kingdom" as you called it Oda might touch upon some problems that Japan has, wasting food when some countries suffer hunger would be great.](http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/01/21/editorials/an-appalling-waste-of-food/#.VPKxp3yG-FQ)
That's the dumbest fucking idea for a plot I've ever heard.
Also lol at the quotation marks around hermit kingdom. You sure know your East Asian history.Yeah so anyway, famine isn't caused by first world children not eating all their sushi.
And Oda isn't going to make an arc based off 1950's mom's wagging their fingers at their chidlren for not finishing her meals.
Especially not the Japan arc.
This is so dumbbbbbbb.If something is not very big in countrys history then its even more of a reason for author of most known manga in Japan to use in his story.
Do you even know what famine is??
If Oda would go only along historical rails with his stories he would limit himself and become predictable to higher degree that he is atm.
If only Oda wouldn't base his manga off things I don't understand! It would be easier to not make a fool of myself in this forum!
I dont understand why you are so hard headed when it comes to Oda sticking to history etc while arc didnt started yet, its foolish to assume you are 100% right while many people gotten different impression than you did when it comes to Wano having problems with hunger thing..
You didn't get an impression, you completely fucking misinterpreted a really obvious thing that was shown in like eight different scenes not involving food. But you missed this out of the usual cluelessness and concocted a ridiculous theory from wholecloth.
"Are you mindnumb ? Can you quit posting here until you go and read some books? How can somebody recruit Samurais that would want die with honor than be forced to work under some pirate they hate?!"
You're talking about a villainous character lollll. Yeah why would the samurais want to do that, in fact they probably do not want to do that! And this "Kaidou" fellow may not give a shit what they think about it?
Oda used scene with party and put extra effort to Kinemon and Momo eating scene. Them going all out with tears as they started to eat might hold extra value and be hint itself.
Why yes he put extra effort to show the non-malnourished non-starving characters accept help at last from their new friends, overcoming their personal pride to show a new strong bond with new people.
Hey I got a great idea for a page you should pull up, find me how Oda drew Sanji during his flashback when he hadn't eaten for like a month or two. Now compare me that image to likewise child Momonosuke. Then again with a straight face convince the jury here that Monomosuke (and Kinemon!) are starving famine victims. -
Nobody is saying that Momo or Kinemon are starving victims(beside they had Kanjuro with them all along and he can create food with his drawings so they would not get thin if they eat what he produces with his DF power).
Momo is probably son of Shogun of Wano while Kinemon is his bodyguard(it seems like Kinemon is not Momos father at all). Kanjuro and Kinemon have specific DF fruits that can help at journeys so it seems like they are heading for Zou for some kind of mission.
Perhaps to buy something or place Momo in safe place ? Hard to tell, problem with hunger in Wano is possible if you like it or not. Its bit weird that you get so emotional/ personal over discussing it..As for your reply in general - I lack words as I see no sense in commenting on it in detail or continuing here that exchange with you.
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would food conjured by Kanjuro even be edible
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would food conjured by Kanjuro even be edible
i mean he can barely draw a bird that's good enough to flyhttp://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/754/page/4
Kanjuro eats it himself and offers some to Kinemon who says it doesnt work well for him- because of his skill food Kan makes tastes/ digests as bad as it looks though Kanjuro seems to be used to that.
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Say do you think that Kumadori could have originally been from Wano.
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Say do you think that Kumadori could have originally been from Wano.
His design might be a hint + his quirky movement.
Or he can have no connection to it. Oda created him long time ago and he can decide on connecting him to Wano thanks to how he was made or he can have 0 to do with it.
I want to see CP9 during Kaido saga(their DFs fit perfectly) so it would be cool if Oda uses Kumadori there as connection.I would love if Oda brings back Lucci in some kind of supportive way - indirect to SH help in taking down Kaido - and make him fight one of Kaidos commanders.
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His design might be a hint + his quirky movement.
Or he can have no connection to it. Oda created him long time ago and he can decide on connecting him to Wano thanks to how he was made or he can have 0 to do with it.
I want to see CP9 during Kaido saga(their DFs fit perfectly) so it would be cool if Oda uses Kumadori there as connection.I would love if Oda brings back Lucci in some kind of supportive way - indirect to SH help in taking down Kaido - and make him fight one of Kaidos commanders.
Oda has infinite amount of awesome options for future arc.It would be great to see the former CP9 agents again.
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It would be great to see the former CP9 agents again.
On last part of their cover story we gotten a promise on them being back one day
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it would be awesome to see "Buggy" passed from birdcage just to show up while Doflamingo & Luffy was fighting.
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Considering that Wano was introduced like a year or two after kumadori (Ryuma) Oda probably already had it in mind. But most likely is that Kumadori is related or a fan, of somebody from wano, and never set foot actualy in the island.
But then, there's Lola, who puts any "you'll die if you set foot in the new world unprepared" things to doubt.
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It's not just that, Sanji also thought there's more to it. And they haven't exactly stated what their whole deal is. I've seen a lot of people take note of it. That doesn't have to mean that it's true, of course. It's just that I don't like it when someone crosses out possibilities on account of one thing alone. Sometimes it's enough, but not in this case I think.
I was thinking, if there is a famine in Wano, it's not Kaido's goal, but a side effect of his invasion. Or maybe the two are unrelated and Kaido just saw an opportunity to attack a weakened country.
Don't see why Kaido would have interest to opening Wano to anything but to his own alliance.Btw, I googled "japan famine" and this popped up - Tenpo famine. Says the ruling shogun was Tokugawa Ienari. I promise I didn't write the article.
Fair enough. I think I'm still leaning towards the samurai's issue with Kaido being a bit more related to his (apparent) ruthless nature conflicting with Wano's ability to stay closed off from the world but I understand what you're saying.
Also, it would be a pretty cool allusion from Oda if Kaido shows up with an armada of literal black ships.
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Nobody is saying that Momo or Kinemon are starving victims(beside they had Kanjuro with them all along and he can create food with his drawings so they would not get thin if they eat what he produces with his DF power).
Hey let me reiterate that I'm not sure if you know what famine means.
Actually wait a minute, why does people refusing food even make you think they have a famine in the first place again?
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If anything, Kinemon suggested that Wa had problems with dragons.
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I've had a little theory brewing for a bit that the former CP9 members joined the Revolutionaries during the timeskip.
After their cover story, it seemed like they would have a more "anti-government" stance, so joining the people trying to topple the government makes sense to me.
If not revolutionaries, then I think they'd at least become, like, vigilante bounty hunters or something.