@Monkey:
Uh no he was really just expressing condescension to Luffy. It's the same earlier in the chapter where Crocodile taunts Luffy on not being "Grand Line level" right before he impales him. Did you take that literally as well? That there's an actual technical Grand Line level?
Crocodile was doubting luffy's capability of handling the grand line (and guess what happened?) , yes it's the same as what chinjao was doing and it only proves my point further , they keep doubting his dreams and abilities but he always proves them wrong
Chinjao : - you'll never surpass the sea that we fought over
- your strength are far too lacking to even dream of bearing your fangs on me !
- you think you can stand a chance against admirals and emperors
- you think you can surpass roger ?
Getting to the treasure IS conquering his rivals. Aside from Blackbeard's idea of Pirate King being something a bit different.
you said roger became a PK by reaching the end of the grand line without having to defeat all the other strong pirates , what's your definition of a pirate king ? like what does he do exactly ..
does he role over the pirates in the NW where every great pirate there has to accept his leadership ? or is it that you think it's only a symbolic title given to the guy who gained the worlds greatest treasures but doesn't really rule over anything
Let's look at it like this, especially given that we're all using the term "freedom" to describe what they uncovered.
Throughout almost every part of the world past or present depending,
we've mostly lived under authoritarian leaders. Kings, dictators,
queens, sultans, emperors or whatever.
Some of us still do, most of us with widespread internet access and good or native english do not.
The argument has always been "I THE KING AM NEEDED, YOU RABBLE CANNOT HANDLE YOURSELVES, FREEDOM IS DANGEROUS".
In the case of OP that's the WG.
Is freedom good? Of course. Luffy embodies the good side of that.
But can it actually be dangerous? Can the removal of the king also open
the way to dark and dangerous forces? Don't many successful revolutions
also lead to dangerous people gaining power?
That's Blackbeard.
The French overthrew their kings (the first time) and soon enough there
were horrible bloodthirsty men like Robespierre slicing off hundreds of
heads. And after him came Napoleon to rule France as a military emperor.
Syria is caught between a rock and hard place, with the awful Akainu
like Assad and the awful Blackbeard like ISIS. Their revolution is a
tragedy that is not working out.
Overturning the old order isn't the end of the battle. It's the start of
a new one. The fight for who gets to control the new dawn. And even
more dangerous people might win that fight.
these are some good points you made there i think Freedom is a really vague concept it can hold so many meanings depending on what perspective you take just like the concept of justice
the revolutionaries believe that the ppl need to gain absolute freedom they have the right to decide their own destiny but they don't consider that with no rules the extreme differences between the ppl could rip them apart leading them into chaos
in the WG's eyes they hold the extreme opposite idea , freedom is the equivalent of chaos so they take a complete charge over ppl's destiny leading eventually into corrupted and untouchable leaders/officials/military soldiers/godly humans who abuse the ppl and their dreams
i believe the concept that we're looking for is something in between which i think luffy will eventually hold the answer to after his fight with BB comes to a conclusion and then the final war between the three major concepts begins ..
let's not forget he is the only evil D seen so far in the series. Think on that.
i think the D family must eventually have one representative with one ideal before the old rehash between the two old nations , the D and the celestial dragons that's why luffy and BB should conclude their fight before that
The only ones he directly ran into in the sense you suggest were
Crocodile, Moria and Doflamingo. In that they had their arc, Luffy
fought them, and ended only one career (though obviously contributed to
Moria being fired). Maybe two careers.
Jimbei and Boa were encountered but not finished off. Mainly because the scenario's with them ended up being friendly.
Kuma and Mihawk have been rushed by the screen one or two times, but are still undealt with.
that's the point i'm trying to make .. you can obviously see the sense of realism doesn't exist there
luffy kept running into every known/current/former/new warlord that ever existed in one piece for plot purposes
I obviously think we'll have encounters and clashes with all the Yonkou,
and maybe even out and out fights with some of their subordinates.
fair enough
They're obviously a Pirate Age concept. Oh yeah, let's not forget that
about them while we're learning not to be literalists. The Yonkou aren't
a technical position, it's just a concept used to identify the top
pirates. Not like the Admirals or Shichibukai.
Reached the end of Grand Line.
We don't know if there were yonko ( four emperors ) when roger was around or how many strong pirates were there by then or if he did fight them in order to become a king or not so again this statement
Roger never had to face Yonkou
has no valid proof
