Looking forward to seeing the special, hopefully it'll be a huge step above episode of Merry.
"One Piece 3D2Y" new TV special (30th August 2014)
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Hopefully we will get some new cannon stuff for the manga reader's.
and when the speical airs? in pacific time or any zone time?
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Hopefully we will get some new cannon stuff for the manga reader's.
and when the speical airs? in pacific time or any zone time?
8 A.M. EDT, 5PM PDT.
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To clarify:Strong World wasn't canon, Film Z wasn't canon and of course 3D2Y isn't canon.
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Shida stated a while back that he was scheduled to return to the anime around this time so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't mean the special.
I seemed to remember hearing something to that effect, but I couldn't remember. Anyway,
that he did not work on 3D2Y.
@0XMURADX0 「3D2Y」には残念ながら参加していませんm(_ _)m
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To clarify:Strong World wasn't canon, Film Z wasn't canon and of course 3D2Y isn't canon.
Just because you think Strong World or Film Z are not canon does not mean 3D2Y is the same. I understand the points on the movie but we can pinpoint when and where 3D2Y takes place. From what we can tell right now, there's no timeline error.
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One Piece: 3D2Y does not occur in the comic, therefore it does not occur in the comic. That doesn't matter, though. What matters is whether or not the special is a well-made work of television.
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Just because you think Strong World or Film Z are not canon does not mean 3D2Y is the same. I understand the points on the movie but we can pinpoint when and where 3D2Y takes place. From what we can tell right now, there's no timeline error.
..The same can be said for the various filler arcs. Doesn't make them canon.
Sorry, but if it isn't something written by the author, then it isn't canon, unless he states otherwise, which he has not.
There's also no basis for the events of this special in the manga. If it was canon, it would've been mentioned at some point.
@Yuugi's:
One Piece: 3D2Y does not occur in the comic, therefore it does not occur in the comic. That doesn't matter, though. What matters is whether or not the special is a well-made work of television.
Pretty much this though. It being non-canon doesn't detract from it possibly being a enjoyable special.
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I never said it was canon. I'm trying to say that it has a better chance because it does not interfere with what we know from the manga. And your point about various filler arcs is not valid here. In the anime, the filler arcs happen right after events shown in the manga originally, but in this case, since we see a 2 year gap, we don't know what happened in that time period.
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I like all the previews. Looks great imo
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- Plot approved by Oda and Shueisha? Check
- Devil Fruit abilities approved by Oda? Check
- Characters designed by Oda's hand? Check
- More than enough time for these events to fit with the established timeline? Check
Still not enough to be considered canon? lol.
Really what more do people need? It's highly unlikely that Oda will ever go back and retcon the events of this special.
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Is the main Antagonist a giant? Are we actually goign to see a legit bad ass Giant that isn't One shotted.
His crew looks pretty interesting too. Old doctor lady, Fishaman and sickly little guy who sits on giants shoulder.
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Animation looks awesome, can't wait
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Is the main Antagonist a giant? Are we actually goign to see a legit bad ass Giant that isn't One shotted.
Nope, its just a guy who is really big( the little guy in his shoulde its his older brother BTW). The Fishman on the other hand is a Wotan(Half Fishman/Half Giant).
@Louis-1988:- Plot approved by Oda and Shueisha? Check
- Devil Fruit abilities approved by Oda? Check
- Characters designed by Oda's hand? Check
- More than enough time for these events to fit with the established timeline? Check
Still not enough to be considered canon? lol.
Really what more do people need? It's highly unlikely that Oda will ever go back and retcon the events of this special.
The same thing was considered to Strong World and Oda himself said to not consider it canon.
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- Plot approved by Oda and Shueisha? Check
- Devil Fruit abilities approved by Oda? Check
- Characters designed by Oda's hand? Check
- More than enough time for these events to fit with the established timeline? Check
Still not enough to be considered canon? lol.
Really what more do people need? It's highly unlikely that Oda will ever go back and retcon the events of this special.
- No actual approval from Oda - Check
- In the manga? No check
- More than enough time for the Spa Island Filler arc to fit (http://mangasee.me/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=490&index=1&page=9) - Check, but not canon
Oda approves all devil fruits used by the anime, are they all canon? - No Check Oda designs many filler characters (Don Accino for example), are they canon - No Check Sorry, but just no. It's just a fun non-canon story written by Toei.
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It's lookin seriously action packed. And the large amount of footage they're showing now is a good sign.
@Galaxy:
- No actual approval from Oda - Check
What? No, the producer actually stated Oda read and approved the story.
Not that this is a new thing. I remember Oda and Toei staffers mentioning a few times how they used to hold meetings to brainstorm movie ideas, and Oda was included, years before Strong World. Maybe the only difference now is that they actually care about timing the events - unlike that third one that clearly couldn't fit the main story.
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I'm in love with Burndy's design, it's just too perfect ( and viking-like ).
Is the main Antagonist a giant? Are we actually goign to see a legit bad ass Giant that isn't One shotted.
His crew looks pretty interesting too. Old doctor lady, Fishaman and sickly little guy who sits on giants shoulder.
And Robotnik. Don't forget Robotnik.
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It's lookin seriously action packed. And the large amount of footage they're showing now is a good sign.
What? No, the producer actually stated Oda read and approved the story.
Not that this is a new thing. I remember Oda and Toei staffers mentioning a few times how they used to hold meetings to decide on movie plots, and Oda was included, years before Strong World. Maybe the only difference now is that they actually care about timing the events - unlike that third one that clearly couldn't fit the main story.
Approval is still a very vague term that, as you said applied to the older movies, as well as the newer ones. Still doesn't make it canon, as it isn't in the source material.
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The animation is great! but why I can't stand the art style?
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@Galaxy:
- No actual approval from Oda - Check
- In the manga? No check
- More than enough time for the Spa Island Filler arc to fit (http://mangasee.me/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=490&index=1&page=9) - Check, but not canon
Oda approves all devil fruits used by the anime, are they all canon? - No Check Oda designs many filler characters (Don Accino for example), are they canon - No Check Sorry, but just no. It's just a fun non-canon story written by Toei.
Mangaka Eiichiro Oda confirmed an anime special is in full steam ahead which will cover the two year time skip!
Oda also provided a comment on the new special, nothing that at the end of the special, "a must-see surprise for fans is waiting."
Since Luffy's haki training was mentioned, Oda was asked if fans will finally get to see the much awaited gear fourth, if there's actually any. He simply stated with a smile "it's for you to find out".
If Oda didn't approve of it, he wouldn't publicly endorse or be so excited about it. Just because it's not in the comic doesn't make it any less canon. That's like saying Smoker and Vergo did nothing for 15 minutes after their fight started and then only resumed their fight on panel in time for us to witness the final blow. We know a fight happened within that time frame and it's pretty obvious that Oda left it up to the anime to fill in the blanks while he focused on the events he felt were more important. You can apply the same exact logic to this special. We know things occurred during the 2yr time skip, and this is simply one of those somethings. I don't know why that's so difficult for some people to accept.
He's never going to stand in front of a 3D2Y promotional poster holding a sign that exclaims "THIS IS CANZONORZ!" because he expects people to be able to infer these sorts of things on their own.
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He's never going to stand in front of a 3D2Y promotional poster holding a sign that exclaims "THIS IS CANZONORZ!" because he expects people to be able to infer these sorts of things on their own.
He shouldn't expect that considering in almost all cases only the original medium is viewed as Canon, in this case the Manga.
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If Oda didn't approve of it, he wouldn't publicly endorse or be so excited about it. Just because it's not in the comic doesn't make it any less canon. That's like saying Smoker and Vergo did nothing for 15 minutes after their fight started and then only resumed their fight on panel in time for us to witness the final blow. We know a fight happened within that time frame and it's pretty obvious that Oda left it up to the anime to fill in the blanks while he focused on the events he felt were more important. You can apply the same exact logic to this special. We know things occurred during the 2yr time skip, and this is simply one of those somethings. I don't know why that's so difficult for some people to accept.
He's never going to stand in front of a 3D2Y promotional poster holding a sign that exclaims "THIS IS CANZONORZ!" because he expects people to be able to infer these sorts of things on their own.
It can be "approved" as an idea, but that doesn't make It canon. Same as with the "approved" devil fruit ideas that he allows them to have. He endorsed heavily both Strong World and Film Z, even going as far as to do a color spread and a character background for Film Z, and an extra chapter in the Manga explaining the origin of Shiki.
…The Smoker and Vergo thing is kinda irrelevant. Sure, they fought in between Oda 's skipping of the fight, but we don't know exactly what happened except for what the anime gave us. Just like 3D2Y, the fill in was a fun, anime written concept.
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The animation is great! but why I can't stand the art style?
Go watch movie 6. The art style looks similar and that's the best One Piece movie ever.
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Go watch movie 6. The art style looks similar and that's the best One Piece movie ever.
In terms of animation!?
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What was I thinking when I expressed a little doubt when the initial poster was revealed? I love this kind of sketchy art style, and it looks absolutely fantastic! I'm so glad my wish for Kodai Watanabe to work on One Piece has been fulfilled in such a fashion. I hope that Umakoshi can put in an appearance too: this kind of art lends itself really well to his work going by his cuts in the last two movies.
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What was I thinking when I expressed a little doubt when the initial poster was revealed? I love this kind of sketchy art style, and it looks absolutely fantastic! I'm so glad my wish for Kodai Watanabe to work on One Piece has been fulfilled in such a fashion. I hope that Umakoshi can put in an appearance too: this kind of art lends itself really well to his work going by his cuts in the last two movies.
Personally, I'm hoping for some Ishigami. Her style would definitely fit this special, and it feels like it's been forever since she worked on One Piece
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Her too, yeah. Her bit where Akainu attacked Whitebeard was one of my favorite animation cuts during Marineford. (she actually did the brief bit in the latest opening where Luffy and Blackbeard are about to crash)
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@Galaxy:
It can be "approved" as an idea, but that doesn't make It canon. Same as with the "approved" devil fruit ideas that he allows them to have. He endorsed heavily both Strong World and Film Z, even going as far as to do a color spread and a character background for Film Z, and an extra chapter in the Manga explaining the origin of Shiki.
…The Smoker and Vergo thing is kinda irrelevant. Sure, they fought in between Oda 's skipping of the fight, but we don't know exactly what happened except for what the anime gave us**.** Just like 3D2Y, the fill in was a fun, anime written concept.
Welp; agree to disagree then.
@ the bold: I think we can both agree that they didn't play chess the whole time.
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In terms of animation!?
but I really wanted to see the war in Oda style of art.In terms of everything really. Powerful storyline with the SH breaking up in a very believable manner without them being OOC. Fluid animation and art style that grows on you after the first 10 minutes. Seriously if you haven't watched that movie yet. Watch it.
Sometimes you have to just accept that people who work on this movies also want to leave a distinct impression and in this case its a distinct art style. Although the war looks like Oda doesn't it.
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In the first preview Riser posted, we can see other Boa sisters already captured.
And I reaaalllly love the scene where Hancock uses her power and the Blind fishman smirks at her. Her power probably didn't work on him?Oh and that shot where tons of water smashes into Luffy and Hancock…
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Welp; agree to disagree then.
@ the bold: I think we can both agree that they didn't play chess the whole time.
Yeah, I agree with you there. "Something" happened, but we don't know exactly what. Whether they used this ability, or that ability, is unknown. Doesn't make the filler any less enjoyable though, but I take it with a grain of salt in regards to canon.
Forgot to comment on the videos, but the special looks really amazing. Can't wait to see it, and hope that quality is throughout.
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Watanabe Koudai and the key animators have done a wonderful job, especially with Hancock. That is some straight up high-quality drawing and timing for the character in those commercials.
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Still not enough to be considered canon? lol.
Nope, but 10/10 for effort. Maybe it's that you don't like the idea that this special might be considered too good to be categorized with the rest of the nonsense filler that's out there?
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Nope, but 10/10 for effort. Maybe it's that you don't like the idea that this special might be considered too good to be categorized with the rest of the nonsense filler that's out there?
That isn't what I said and I won't repeat myself. The post detailing my reasons are right there at the top.
If that isn't good enough for you then agree to disagree.
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I know most of you guys have zero patience and will watch the stream or a bad quality raw as soon as it's released. So if the big surprise is really something big, try to not spoil it everywhere in the manga section.
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I know most of you guys have zero patience and will watch the stream or a bad quality raw as soon as it's released. So if the big surprise is really something big, try to not spoil it everywhere in the manga section.
I…will....try.....urhg cough blood
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so exited :)
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If Oda didn't approve of it, he wouldn't publicly endorse or be so excited about it. Just because it's not in the comic doesn't make it any less canon. That's like saying Smoker and Vergo did nothing for 15 minutes after their fight started and then only resumed their fight on panel in time for us to witness the final blow. We know a fight happened within that time frame and it's pretty obvious that Oda left it up to the anime to fill in the blanks while he focused on the events he felt were more important. You can apply the same exact logic to this special. We know things occurred during the 2yr time skip, and this is simply one of those somethings. I don't know why that's so difficult for some people to accept.
Oda also publicly endorsed Strong World and Film Z, but confirmed that both things didn't happen in the manga continuity.
Fuck, if Strong World, which was written by Oda himself, wasn't canon, then I certainly don't expect a story not written by him to be either. It's kinda baffling that you would put timeline placement over author writing in this case in terms of canonicity.
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Oda also publicly endorsed Strong World and Film Z, but confirmed that both things didn't happen in the manga continuity.
Fuck, if Strong World, which was written by Oda himself, wasn't canon, then I certainly don't expect a story not written by him to be either. It's kinda baffling that you would put timeline placement over author writing in this case in terms of canonicity.
Once again, I reiterate:
The post detailing my reasons are right there at the top.
If that isn't good enough for you then agree to disagree.
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Once again, I say.
I'm talking more about this:
- Plot approved by Oda and Shueisha? Check
- Devil Fruit abilities approved by Oda? Check
- Characters designed by Oda's hand? Check
- More than enough time for these events to fit with the established timeline? Check
Still not enough to be considered canon? lol.
Really what more do people need? It's highly unlikely that Oda will ever go back and retcon the events of this special.
You pretty much talk like this special could be considered canon, even though it can't.
Oda approved the story, but he didn't write it. I also don't believe that he designed anybody else but Burndy World (somebody confirm this).
But apparently the above doesn't matter because it fits the timeline placement. I dunno how timeline placement suddenly justifies original, non-Oda elements in terms of canonicity.
I also remember saying that the main reason he didn't consider SW and Z canon is because he knows there are people out there that only read the manga, and that he doesn't want those people to be left behind in terms of story (he definitely said something along those lines in the Film Z thread).
If you don't want to debate it, then fine, but it doesn't hurt to know more about the issue.
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I'm talking more about this:
You pretty much talk like this special could be considered canon, even though it can't.
Oda approved the story, but he didn't write it. I also don't believe that he designed anybody else but Burndy World (somebody confirm this).
But apparently the above doesn't matter because it fits the timeline placement. I dunno how timeline placement suddenly justifies original, non-Oda elements in terms of canonicity.
I also remember saying that the main reason he didn't consider SW and Z canon is because he knows there are people out there that only read the manga, and that he doesn't want those people to be left behind in terms of story (he definitely said something along those lines in the Film Z thread).
If you don't want to debate it, then fine, but it doesn't hurt to know more about the issue.
I believe it to be canon, you don't, and that's fine. To me this isn't like Strong World, Film Z or typical anime filler because not only does it have Oda's approval, it fits chronologically, which is the important thing to note here. That's all I really care to say on the issue and I don't feel like debating anyone about it. I reiterate, if you don't want to acknowledge it as canon or care for my reasoning that is fine. It makes sense to me and that's all I really care about.
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I believe it to be canon, you don't, and that's fine. To me this isn't like Strong World, Film Z or typical anime filler because not only does it have Oda's approval, it fits chronologically, which is the important thing to note here. That's all I really care to say on the issue and I don't feel like debating anyone about it. I reiterate, if you don't want to acknowledge it as canon or care for my reasoning that is fine. It makes sense to me and that's all I really care about.
But chronology isn't the issue here! That's what I'm trying to tell you!
Even if both SW and Z made sense chronologically, they wouldn't still be considered canon. Timeline is not the only thing preventing those things to be canon.
Also, believing that something is canon doesn't make it canon.
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But chronology isn't the issue here! That's what I'm trying to tell you!
Even if both SW and Z made sense chronologically, they wouldn't still be considered canon. Timeline is not the only thing preventing those things to be canon.
I really don't know how many times I need to say this, argh…
If that isn't good enough for you then agree to disagree.
agree to disagree.
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I really don't know how many times I need to say this, argh…
I do care about your reasoning, which is why I started the argument in the first place.
But ok, I'll "agree to disagree" then, even though this is not a subjective thing.
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I really don't know how many times I need to say this, argh…
The last episode of the Toriko anime is canon….
! …going by your logic.