Well Naruto was terrible, but at least Kishi remembered a comment he made long ago about Kakashi being the most suited of the cast for Hokage.
Naruto and Bleach V - The Not-So-Final Frontier
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The Rasengan version of the 8-tails is kinda funny if any of you noticed, apparently its a Rasengan dipped in ink
how is that even relevant, what additional damage is it supposed to do, lolIt adds insult to injury. In a literal way.
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I just saw a gem post on a different forum. Geez…
! Itachi´s mangekyo activated in sasuke way after itachi had already died.
Madara´s izanagi activated way after he had already died.
There is quite a bit of stuff that uchihas can activate with a delay, and its not out of the question that obito can do the same, utilizing something similar to what minato used.
Minato used a seal to put his chakra into naruto so that he could appear in his mind.
! If you look at this chapter, we can clearly see obito´s chakra floating in the air and then jumping into kakashi.
It is fairly obvious that everything that we see regarding those two (kakashi and obito), only happens inside kakashi´s mind after obito´s floating chakra jumped into him.
Obito using kamui to get there is just symbolic, using kamui does not allow you to go back from being dead or going back in time.
How do i know that it is symbolic? Because in that sequence, obito is his child self, he uses kamui and appears in kakashi´s mind, who also is his child self.
! Physically, the only thing that is happening is obito´s chakra going into kakashi to trigger the "delayed jutsu" that itachi used on sasuke, transferring his eye power to him, just like what itachi did to sasuke.
In a world where minato was able to appear in naruto´s mind using only chakra, where dan can use a jutsu to use his own soul to travel around, where people can be edo tenseid AND rinne tenseid, its not out of the question that obito can use anything that is similar to that to make his chakra go into kakashi AFTER his death, utilizing the uchiha delayed tech in combination with the chakra/soul tech.
! If you people call this asspull, then you need to call asspull on everything that came beforehand that is similar to this tech (most notably, the mind transfer from the yamanaka clan which was shown way back in part 1).
The narutoverse was established to have methods to transfer souls, revive souls, converse with them and stuff even beyond that, just think about the chakra of the two sons traversing through the generations, or the death reaper who can put souls into a dimension different from afterlife.
Nothing that obito did upsets any of that, and even if kishimoto pulled something entirely new, its not like the mind transfer wasnt new and illogical back when it was shown the first time, and people still accepted it as something that is possible in the narutoverse.
Therefore, as long as something does not contradict information that we got previously, it cannot possibly be called asspull.
In the case of this chapter, this was well within the boundaries of what we have seen is possible in the narutoverse, very much so on top of that.
! Even if obito really used kamui to travel his soul from the pure world back into the impure world, using kakashi as an interface, i still dont think it is too far fetched for him to have done so.
The pure world ist just another dimension out of many. Obito was shown to be able to teleport into a dimension that was not his own (kaguya´s dimension), when he was given an entrance point (the portal).
You can think of kakashi being the entrance point for obito´s soul. Since he does not possess a physical body anymore (since he died) he cannot manifest himself physically.
There are plenty of ways to reasonably explain what obito did without being in contradiction with anything we know about the narutoverse.What that guy doesn't realize is Obito talking to Kakashi after he's dead isn't the main problem. Its been done before plenty of times but we still just want Obito to go away. The real problem is a dead Obito somehow giving Kakashi his physical sharingans from the afterlife. This isn't just chakra being transferred but actual eyeballs because there's NO other way to get a sharingan besides a physical implant.
There's also the issue of his use of Susano'o which can be used by anyone with double Mangekyou Sharingans
! BUT how did he accomplish a full-fledged Susano'o in a matter of seconds? You can't copy eye techniques.
This is a little off topic from the Sharingan thing, but this is something that's been on my mind recently and this chapter has only made it more apparent. Please excuse me if I get any names or details wrong, I'm only really reading Naruto casually these days.
So what's the point of being Hokage? What's so important about it? Naruto has the dream. Sasuke wants to be one. Heck, even Kiba wants to be it. Obito had the dream retconned into his background, likely because Kishimoto and his editors were afraid he didn't have enough connection to Naruto. And now, Kakashi is going to be Hokage.
The whole "I wanna be Hokage" dream actually boils down what is wrong with Naruto. It is a promise with failed expectations.
The first mistake, imo, was making Gaara Kazekage. Don't get me wrong. I adore Gaara and he's one of the few characters I've liked all throughout the series. But giving him that title devalues the whole Naruto's dream. He's already beaten Gaara in the past and now a character weaker than him has the Kage title? Furthermore, having Naruto become even more powerful than the revived Hokages featured in this current war makes it all the worse. (I'm pretty sure the only reason they're still sticking around now is to give Kakashi and Naruto their blessing.)
Now, some of you are probably thinking now that I'm missing the point. Being Hokage for Naruto isn't about gaining power. It's about gaining acceptance. Well, he's already gained acceptance from his friends. That's clear. And, again, gaining that ultimate power makes it obvious that everyone at least respects him now, way more than they already do in Part 2. Naruto has already accomplished his dream and "becoming Hokage" really is only a formality that could be avoided at this point. Making Kakashi (or hell, even Sakura) Hokage makes way more sense at this point and I'm glad Kishimoto realizes it. I could see an epilogue where Naruto comes back after training and realizes that being Hokage isn't just about people respecting you but you respecting and giving back to the people. That's the only salvation I could think this Hokage dream could possibly have.
Just in this thought, there's a huge difference between Naruto and One Piece. In One Piece, "the Pirate King" is merely a concept, but its definition is clear. It's whoever is the best of the pirates. We're only given glimpses of the former Pirate King, so even as readers we're stranger to what such a position is really like. Luffy's dream works because he is accomplishing it as the series goes on. There aren't multiple pirate kings getting their asses kicked by him or in front of him all the time. In Naruto, we've had plenty of examples of what Naruto wants to become and, quite frankly, it's questionable why he even wants such a title anymore. Why sit in an office all day when he could be teaching, having fun or going on adventures? The kid definitely would deserve it after this war.
But anyway, that's just me rambling. Sorry for invading your topic!
All I can say is being Hokage isn't just about being the strongest in the village so it doesn't really matter who was beat or not beaten. It's a title that has a lot more meaning to Naruto beyond being in a position of acceptance but also being in a high position of influence and change.
! Naruto is accepted by the village now but becoming Hokage is still his dream regardless, and this is evident in the fact that he keeps telling everyone he's going to be The Hokage even after being hailed the Hero of the Hidden Leaf Village. Ultimately the title can be avoided at this point, that is true. If Naruto were to die here then he'd die happy. Becoming Hokage isn't a must for this series at this point but it was never Naruto's main problem.
No, Naruto's main problem is terrible character development.
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How is it that Sakura of the main trio turns out to be the most useless, beyond serving as a battery, in this here end game? And not the most useless of the trio but going further than that and even making her the damsel in distress in the care of her sensei who she should have surpassed by now.
As for Bleach, not bad.
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Say what you want, but Sakura is not really that useless, as many of you seem to think. She can cheer while the male cast is fighting, she can cosplay as Suigetsu, she can be used as a battery and… and... and she is a kind girl. Very kind. Kakashi himself said so. See how many good points she has? It took nearly 700 chapters to develop all of them, just give her a break, now! :ninja:
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So is Kakashi going to cover both eyes when he isn't using his asspull eyes?
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Watch, this is going to turn Kakashi into an Uchiha (or it'll be rectonned so that he's always been an Uchiha). Terrible chapters this week…
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So is Kakashi going to cover both eyes when he isn't using his asspull eyes?
Thankfully the powerup only seems to be temporary but that doesn't stop it from being a temporarily terrible idea either.
Say what you want, but Sakura is not really that useless, as many of you seem to think. She can cheer while the male cast is fighting, she can cosplay as Suigetsu, she can be used as a battery and… and... and she is a kind girl. Very kind. Kakashi himself said so. See how many good points she has? It took nearly 700 chapters to develop all of them, just give her a break, now! :ninja:
And she is the best medical ninja on the squa-
Oh wait, nvm… :/
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So is Kakashi going to cover both eyes when he isn't using his asspull eyes?
Watch, this is going to turn Kakashi into an Uchiha (or it'll be rectonned so that he's always been an Uchiha). Terrible chapters this week…
Obito and Kakashi are half-brothers.
Next chapter on Naruto.
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The Rasengan version of the 8-tails is kinda funny if any of you noticed, apparently its a Rasengan dipped in ink
how is that even relevant, what additional damage is it supposed to do, lolI didn't even notice that, I was just skimming through the pages quickly. I assume the ink can be useful in blinding the opponent when playing mario kart.
By virtue of the weaknesses and strengths that certain elements have over the other (that was established when Naruto was learning wind chakra) - shouldn't the lava rasengan be canceled out by the two or three water based rasengan thrown? Why must nothing make sense?
I haven't come across any user amongst the few Naruto Fan sites I just visited that actually likes or knows what is going on. Except for that quote Razh just posted - Oh dear…
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The death hax madness aside, wasn't it stated in the Itachi's pursuit that only the Uchihas can use Susanoo?
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Actually, the whole Sharingan thing can make some sense if Kishimoto wants to explain it.
We can assume that part of Obito genetic whatever remained in Kakashi's body even after the eye was removed. Because of fiction science, we could say that uchiha genes remained spread all over Kakashi bodies after all this time and Obito's soul was the trigger to awaken them.
I think it would be similar to all the people who got Hashirama cells and gained his powers like that. Even without the eye, some Obito cells are still in Kakashi.
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^^You could explain it with fiction science but that would just mean anyone who has ever had sex with an Uchiha can possibly awaken the Sharingan because of "gene sharing".
The death hax madness aside, wasn't it stated in the Itachi's pursuit that only the Uchihas can use Susanoo?
Nope.
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Maybe its just me but the past few chapters of Bleach have been pretty good…and seem to have more content...than the usual ones....
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Maybe its just me but the past few chapters of Bleach have been pretty good…and seem to have more content...than the usual ones....
No it's not just you. Hell has recently frozen over.
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^^You could explain it with fiction science but that would just mean anyone who has ever had sex with an Uchiha can possibly awaken the Sharingan because of "gene sharing".
That's what fiction science do, it explains everything but only applies to a situation that demands it.
And since it is the principle Kishimoto uses for everyone who gets Hashirama powers, he could go this way for Kakashi as well.
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All I can say is being Hokage isn't just about being the strongest in the village so it doesn't really matter who was beat or not beaten. It's a title that has a lot more meaning to Naruto beyond being in a position of acceptance but also being in a high position of influence and change.
! http://i62.tinypic.com/2njf12c.pngNaruto is accepted by the village now but becoming Hokage is still his dream regardless, and this is evident in the fact that he keeps telling everyone he's going to be The Hokage even after being hailed the Hero of the Hidden Leaf Village. Ultimately the title can be avoided at this point, that is true. If Naruto were to die here then he'd die happy. Becoming Hokage isn't a must for this series at this point but it was never Naruto's main problem.
No, Naruto's main problem is terrible character development.
I didn't consider the change aspect. Thanks for bringing it up!
Still though, as you mentioned, he's already achieved these goals so the title really is pointless. But again, if being Hokage isn't the end all be all for Naruto as a series, why is it still such an important issue? Hell, even Obito's background was retconned so that he too wanted to be Hokage. It really shows how misguided things have gotten in recent years.
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Thankfully the powerup only seems to be temporary but that doesn't stop it from being a temporarily terrible idea either.
That's what is confusing. Is it the eye power that is temporary or the position as 6th Hokage?
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So if Obito used kamui to escape the afterlife to give BOTH magic eyes to kakashi, how does he get back to Rin now without being able to do Kamui again?
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That's what is confusing. Is it the eye power that is temporary or the position as 6th Hokage?
Yeah, from that Hokage talk I got the impression it was nothing short of a lifetime upgrade.
Anything beside that is just wishful thinking. That is if anyone cares if it's permanent or not at this point.
But Kakashi is a genius. I wouldn't be surprised if his Susanoo had Sharingan next chapter. He might even unlock Rinnegan. Anything is open now. Once he gets old and is about to die, he will give Naruto his Sharingan. Fuck yeah.
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So if Obito used kamui to escape the afterlife to give BOTH magic eyes to kakashi, how does he get back to Rin now without being able to do Kamui again?
Guess he just dies again. Because he's a cool guy!
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Wow… and I was expecting at the last moment of Obito's life to hand over just one eye right before the disintegration of his body destroyed him completely, but no. Give Kakashi the Sharingan, and both eyes! Yes! Do it all! Give him an eternal version while we're at it! Why not? Even Sasuke's like, "What the shit?" Oh and Kakashi knows how to use Susanoo - no problem. I guess from now on - Kakashi will have to cover both eyes when not in battle.
At this point - Kishi has made it official (not that we didn't know) but through the statement Obito made. - You are fucking useless if you are without the sharingan or not Naruto. Sakura is the only one left without a power-up. Awww :'(
Obito doesn't have the Eternal Mangekyou.
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So if Obito used kamui to escape the afterlife to give BOTH magic eyes to kakashi, how does he get back to Rin now without being able to do Kamui again?
I think he only sent his chakra.
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Umm is Tsunade even dead? How is Kakashi even close to being next in line for this ridiculous position that probably should have no meaning after the war that is being caused by the existence of ninja in the first place.
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Umm is Tsunade even dead? How is Kakashi even close to being next in line for this ridiculous position that probably should have no meaning after the that is being caused by the existence of ninja in the first place.
Don't worry Obito is going to choke her in her sleep.
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@God:
Don't worry Obito is going to choke her in her sleep.
"You have to understand, I _really_ don't want Kakashi joining Rin and me in the next world… but hey, we could make some room for you."
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Because… friendship!
No, wait: wrong manga. Sorry.
Because... yes! And come on, why should Kishimoto deny a sudden and random power-up to one of his main characters, when he already granted many power-ups to Naruto and Sakuke? It's only fair to throw a bone to Kakashi, too. And you see, his Susanoo contains Obito's soul, at least. Or something worse. Maybe Obito's obitoness.Well that would definetly make his Susanoo indestructible.
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I didn't consider the change aspect. Thanks for bringing it up!
Still though, as you mentioned, he's already achieved these goals so the title really is pointless. But again, if being Hokage isn't the end all be all for Naruto as a series, why is it still such an important issue? Hell, even Obito's background was retconned so that he too wanted to be Hokage. It really shows how misguided things have gotten in recent years.
It's probably because the Hidden Leaf Village is considered the strongest and most influential of the Hidden Villages. Afterall, the Hokage is considered the strongest of the 5 Kages.
The one who is the Hokage is the one at the top of the ninja world and whoever is at the top has the most leeway to enact change, and Naruto is trying to change the Ninja Way yada, yada, yada…
Dattebayo.
That's what is confusing. Is it the eye power that is temporary or the position as 6th Hokage?
I got the impression he was talking about the double Mangekyou Sharingans as being only a temporary powerup.
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It's probably because the Hidden Leaf Village is considered the strongest and most influential of the Hidden Villages. Afterall, the Hokage is considered the strongest of the 5 Kages.
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The one who is the Hokage is the one at the top of the ninja world and whoever is at the top has the most leeway to enact change, and Naruto is trying to change the Ninja Way yada, yada, yada…
Dattebayo.
"It is said that the Hokage was the strongest of the 5 kages… because he is the Hokage."
I hope that's just a mistranslation. Otherwise, that quote alone could describe nearly everything that happens in Naruto. "It is said that this happens... because it happens."
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Sakura, Shikamaru and Sai's designs for the last movie:
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Sakura, Shikamaru and Sai's designs for the last movie:
! http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/607/The-Last-Naruto-the-Movie-Sakura.jpghttp://images.saiyanisland.com/data/607/The-Last-Naruto-the-Movie-Shikamaru.jpghttp://images.saiyanisland.com/data/607/The-Last-Naruto-the-Movie-Sai.jpg
wow shikamaru changed so much :ninja:
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Sai and Shikamaru look exactly the same.
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Sai and Shikamaru look exactly the same.
Hey, hey. That's not true in the slightest.
I mean look at Sai. He's wearing glasses now.
Totally different.
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Something's wrong, Sakura looks like a girl in one of those designs
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The hell, she looks manlier than ever.
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Something's wrong, Sakura looks like a girl in one of those designs
I'm just happy they didn't do any bullshit like have Sakura spontaneously grow large tits like Tsunade.
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"It is said that the Hokage was the strongest of the 5 kages… because he is the Hokage."
I hope that's just a mistranslation. Otherwise, that quote alone could describe nearly everything that happens in Naruto. "It is said that this happens... because it happens."
He's saying the Hokage is said to be the strongest of the Kages because of who he is…the Hokage (who is the leader of the Hidden Leaf Village while the other Kages are the leaders of the other Hidden Villages). A terrible translation, yes, but you get the gist.
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Sakura, Shikamaru and Sai's designs for the last movie:
! http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/607/The-Last-Naruto-the-Movie-Sakura.jpghttp://images.saiyanisland.com/data/607/The-Last-Naruto-the-Movie-Shikamaru.jpghttp://images.saiyanisland.com/data/607/The-Last-Naruto-the-Movie-Sai.jpg
That's Sai!? I thought that was TenTen!
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^^You could explain it with fiction science but that would just mean anyone who has ever had sex with an Uchiha can possibly awaken the Sharingan because of "gene sharing".
That would result in less in-breeding. Although it would make the love cancer a communicable disease. Leading to Uchiha. genocide as a legitimate option.
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you thought it was who?
I don't actually know. The name just came over me. Definitely not a character I remember in Naruto.
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Well.. I'm still a sucker for kakashi so I'm cool with this.
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How the hell can an eye be a temporary thing? Is Obito going to come back from the afterlife again to get his eyes back? ._______.
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How the hell can an eye be a temporary thing?
In a world where eye transplants happen in a matter of seconds by just jamming the thing into your socket, this honestly doesn't surprise me at this point.
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Maybe Obito already mortgaged his eyes beforehand.
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How the hell can an eye be a temporary thing? Is Obito going to come back from the afterlife again to get his eyes back? ._______.
Kakashi wouldn't see that coming!
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I'm going to have to ask the two of you to see yourselves out of the thread.
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@Panda:
I'm going to have to ask the two of you to see yourselves out of the thread.
It sure looks like we won't be seeing eye to eye
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Look, Purp, I just took an informal poll on whether you should stop with the horrible puns, and the ayes have it.
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@Panda:
Look, Purp, I just took an informal poll on whether you should stop with the horrible puns, and the ayes have it.
The puns are un_bear_able, right? :ninja:
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@Panda:
Look, Purp, I just took an informal poll on whether you should stop with the horrible puns, and the ayes have it.
I'm staring at the numbers but I think you've lost sight of what's truly at hand here
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Kakashi should invest in some eye insurance (hell, anybody with magical eye powers should), just in case Madara steals them again.