hey i've always wondered just how many mermen there are in all four blue seas. are they limited to only jimbei and arlong's crew, or are they literally a race of creatures all over the ocean? because arlong and his gang were pretty damn weak, considering that a merman is supposed to be like 10 times stronger than a normal human. if jimbei is strong enough to be a shichibukai, then that's a HUGE power gap between the captain and first mate.
also, i've heard rumors that tom the shipwright was a merman. i'm pretty sure they never mentioned this in the manga, but he does look sorta like a walrus or sea mammal. plus his incredible strength in franky's flashback seemed pretty inhuman.
the mermen have always interested me since their debut, but oda really hasn't shed any light on them since the arlong park arc.
Mermen… pathetic?
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**Arlong was wayyyy more than 10 times a normal human. Luffy and co are hardly normal humans.
and it was never stated Arlong was first mate.
Tom was a gyojin, it was stated in the manga.**
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First of all, the correct term is really fishman, since Oda described a difference between fishmen and mermen cue someone with those Japanese words
And Tom is a fishman - a golden pufferfishman, to be exact.
Edit: Just looked up Stephen's translation of chapter 353, and he describes him as a long-horned cowfish Pufferfish Which really makes sense now, look at those horns. XDAnd for their strength, just because the Strawhats with their incredible strength were able to beat them, I don't think that's a good gauge of their strength. :) Arlong and his crew were awfully strong, although they probably are not the strongest of their race, which is why they're in the East Blue picking on little humans. But that's just my opinion. ;)
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I wonder if the mermaids are physically strong as well…
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I wonder if the mermaids are physically strong as well…
**I don't see why ot. but remember Arlong and the like are no merman.
I think there was a mermain in some mini-story, but I never read/saw that one. as I started the manga during skypeia.**
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So what if there´s a big gap between Arlong and Jinbei? There´s also an even bigger gap between Luffy and Ippon-Matsu.
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So what if there´s a big gap between Arlong and Jinbei? There´s also an even bigger gap between Luffy and Ippon-Matsu.
**Who is Ippon-Matsu?
I don't think Arlong was Jinbei's first mate. I think he was middle ranked. If he was first mate, then that means jinbei improved a lot. which is understandale, all those years on the GL.**
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THATS a Mermaid/Merperson (Merman).
Arlong and co. are Fishmen.
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ippon-matsu's the guy that gave Zoro Sandai Kitetsu and Yubashiri swords in Logue Town.
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Remember also that Arlong and company had eight years essentially without significant challenge to let their dorsal fins get fat.
As I understand it, "merman" is 'ningyo', so Oda reverses the characters to get 'gyojin' for the fishmen.
I assume their numbers are low, or they'd be a force to be reckoned with throughout the seas. My pet theory is that they were a product of the war which led to the void century, a bio-engineered weapon of one side or another which was discarded and carried on.
Hatchi's ministory had both kinds; he seems to befriend a very sweet mermaid, and tries to win the favour of an octopus fishwoman (Octopaki) who actually seems like a jerk from how I read the ministory.
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Wasn't Bellamy the first mate of Flamingo's crew before he left to be a Shichibukai? Because there was a huge gap between them two. If I'm mistaken someone correct me.
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ok, if jimbei was the ex-captain of arlong's crew, then wouldn't it make sense if arlong was the first mate? why would the leader leave his crew to someone who wasn't the most capable? similar to the situation with bellamy and donquixote i suppose. but bellamy was, according to his bounty, three times stronger or more dangerous than arlong.
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Arlong was in Jimbei crew in the same position than Ace is in Whitebeard crew and since Jimbei is a Shichibukai I highly doubt that they are underpowered.
Arlong was 20 milions in East Blue, if he have moved to Grand Line I believe that he could be at the same level of Bellamy in the ranking bounty list, I don´t see Kuro, Arlong, Don Kriegg and others being weak because they are pirates on the East Blue, I am sure that they could have been possible lower numbers Baroque Works Agents.
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Arlong was in Jimbei crew in the same position than Ace is in Whitebeard crew and since Jimbei is a Shichibukai I highly doubt that they are underpowered.
That's not possible. Since we don't know how gyojin pirates are ranked. Ace is no the first mate. He is commander of the 2nd division of the Whitebeard pirates.
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PLEASE also remember he bribed Nezumi the naval captain to keep his bounty that low. For all we know, Arlong could have a 50 mil bounty. And as for Arlong's position before Jinbei became a shichibukai, he is stated the first mate in many translations that I read/watched. If HK bootlegs AND two scanlations state it, I'm following that idea.
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We also don't know how the crew broke in the end of the Jinbei experience.
If Arlong took over as captain with no change, it's one thing, while splitting into several groups with divergent philosophies would suggest he wasn't strong enough to put everyone under his reign.
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Arlong and crew weak? I don't know about the accuracy of that… Maybe the lay fishperson is a little mundane when compared to someone of Luffy's caliber (they aren't alone), but Arlong and his officers were exceptional... among the normal conceptions.
The way I see Arlong's position is thus: He was at least a high-ranking member of the crew, or just strong enough to bully a group into sailing with him. Considering Yosaku's claim that he was at or near the strength of Jimbei, that lends credence to the first mate theory, but nothing is certain.
I guess... Arlong's pirate group was just a small offshoot, if crews like Krieg and Whitebeard are any indicator. That many men (fifty ships and five thousand for Krieg, an undisclosed number for Whitebeard) didn't seem to exist in Arlong's group, so I'm all for the theory that he's just the tip of the iceberg.
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arlong is a shark.
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Jinbei may have a Devil Fruit.
So Arlong is physically on par. But that means little if his DF is a logia.
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arlong is a shark.
wat do u guys think Jimbei is?whale?I belive his name means whale shark, but I'm not sure.
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Whale shark. So, logically, he's a whale shark. Unless Oda pulls something on us.
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Whale Shark. Largest fish in the sea.
So its a giant Shark. Supposed to be gentle though. But I doubt that :X
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It is gentle. A whale shark only eats krill. Divers often ride on their backs. AND THEY'RE SO COOOL :D
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It's still possible that Jinbei is a perfectly nice guy. For all we know Arlong and the like were kicked out because they were racist.
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jimbei could be a human that ate a devil fruit that changed him into a fishman :D
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jimbei could be a human that ate a devil fruit that changed him into a fishman :D
**A human that ate the fish-fish fruit Model:Whale Shark.
Brilliant. ABsolutley brillant.**
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The way Arlong is towards humans, I highly doubt he'd take orders from one.
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Maybe that's why Arlong left eventually. And I don't think Arlong was a high level fishman fighter. He was pretty damn good alright, but I'm betting he needed a tad more work before becoming an uber fishman. Fishmen are certainly not weak. Zoro tossed one house. Arlong tossed all the houses in a village.
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A gentle Jinbei sort of doesn't work. Why would the WG want a gentle Shickabuchai?
Maybe he has a dual-nature, like Crocodile (pillar of the community casino owner / Mr. 0) or even Arlong (life of the party with his nakama, monster with humans)
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jimbei could be a human that ate a devil fruit that changed him into a fishman :D
Devil fruit user can't swim. What's the raison d'être of a devil fruit(s) that turns a user into a fishperson that can't swim? I suppose it could be one of those useless devil fruit powers that were mentioned some chapters ago, but still.
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@Kidany:
Wasn't Bellamy the first mate of Flamingo's crew before he left to be a Shichibukai? Because there was a huge gap between them two. If I'm mistaken someone correct me.
You may not be wrong. It's just that there's no proof saying that Bellamy is the first mate yet. All I know of Bellamy, according to the chinese version manga I read, is that he is a "heavy-weight" new-comer. Neither is there a proof saying that Arlong is Jinbei's first mate.
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I thought I saw proof awhile back that Arlong was the first mate of Jinbei…its just that Arlong hasn't really become stronger and Jinbei surpassed him completely, not letting him get closer in powers. I think that Arlong was probably kicked or it was because Jinbei left with the Marines, disbanding the whole crew. You don't need a lot of men to be a strong pirate crew, like the SH's, so it could be that Jinbei left them all in East Blue and they never left.
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Devil fruit user can't swim. What's the raison d'être of a devil fruit(s) that turns a user into a fishperson that can't swim? I suppose it could be one of those useless devil fruit powers that were mentioned some chapters ago, but still.
Sorry but this is bullshit.
Since the mermen have 10 times more strenght than the humans I can see an huge advantage in this aspect with a Whale Shark Fish-Fish fruit.
Imagine an Arlong twice bigger and at the same level than Kuma, a person with this strenght can be a big problem for the Mugiwara.
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I seriosly doubt that jinbei is going to be a whale since a whale is not classed as a fish and second the bigger you are dosen't always mean you are the strongest. It would be much cooler if he was something like a Lion fish or a Scorpion Fish since these two are not very large but some of the most deadly fishes in the ocean.
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@Octogon:
It's still possible that Jinbei is a perfectly nice guy. For all we know Arlong and the like were kicked out because they were racist.
Wrong. If you add the term "might" in your sentence then it would work but it was never said why the fishman crew seperated. There is some selection of possibilities and none of them has been confirmed at this poin and are purely fan speculation so far.
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It seems pretty obvious to me that Arlong left Jinbei's crew because Jinbei became a Shichibukai. Here's an excerpt from Stephen's translations:
"Because of Jinbeh's participation in the Shichibukai, he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue."
How's that any different from the Bellamy and Doflamingo's situation? In the french translation it is even said that Jinbei send Arlong to East Blue, so I highly doubt Jinbei is a nice guy.
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Since the mermen have 10 times more strenght than the humans I can see an huge advantage in this aspect with a Whale Shark Fish-Fish fruit.
I will rarely say something is impossible but this is one of those times where I might have to say that.
If he was [originally] a human then Arlong would never have accepted him as a leader.
It's that simple.
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Since the mermen have 10 times more strength than the humans I can see an huge advantage in this aspect with a Whale Shark Fish-Fish fruit.
Mermen = race with 10 times the strength of humans.
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Arlong weak? Are you crazy? So far Arlong was able to do feats of Strength that only a few characters (Luffy and Zoro among them) were able to emulate. We are talking about a guy who could turn houses upside down and withstand most of Luffy's attacks unharmed, withouth the need for Tekkai. He was pure brute strength, and that was his downfall, since he seemed to lack the discipline and precision of a martial artist.
Remember when Luffy destroyed the buildings to set himself free in Water 7? Or when Zoro lifted a broken building in the Mr. 1 fight? That's the kind of feats that Arlong could do waaaay back in the East Blue. He could kill people by throwing water at them, and Sanji could not even harm him back then.
I feel that, right now, only the main bad guys and a few goons after Arlong may have surpassed him. I could see Arlong biting off the heads of the likes of most of the Baroque Officials (maybe with exception of Mr. 0, 1, 2 and All Sunday), Priests, Bellamy, the entire crews of Bellamy and Foxy and maybe one CP9 of the lower rank (Calipha and Fukurou, because they seem to underestimate their opponents) at a time.
So, in other words, maybe Arlong does not seem very impressive as a main villain right now, but as a goon and secondary villain he would be quite appropriate. So, he being a high-ranking officer of Jinbei does make sense to me.
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@Octogon:
It's still possible that Jinbei is a perfectly nice guy. For all we know Arlong and the like were kicked out because they were racist.
I don't think so, if Jinbei is a perfectly nice guy why would the W.G. make him a Shichi Bukai
Althought one thing I can say Jinbei is probably more human tolerate then Arlong (He hated humans but still found some of them usefull for some tasks, example - Nami and her map drawing skills)
About Jinbei eating a akuma no mi or having been a human that ate a fish akuma no mi that's stupid
A fish akuma no mi would be a real stupid akuma no mi since those that eat akuma no mi can't control their power iwhen submerge in water there would no point in being a fish that can't go underwater
Arlong being Jinbei's first mate was never mentioned
Arlong isn't weak althought Jinbei is probably stronger
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I don't think so, if Jinbei is a perfectly nice guy why would the W.G. make him a Shichi Bukai
Thats the second or third time that argument has been used in this thread alone, and I'm curious as to how it actually works?
Where does it say only meanies can be Shichibukai?
As for why the World Goverment would make him a Shichibukai if he was a nice guy, weelllll…possibly because he was a strong fighter, and a great leader of (fish)men, who had made a reputation as such by beating the living snot out of several other powerful crews and pirates.
You know...the reason we're told people are made Shichibukai in the first place? To scare other pirates into line? Nothing there that states he can't be an affalable, reasonable person.
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well i see jinbei secretely plotting to take over the world government, in a way to control the whole world… ala arlong in east blue...
most prob he sent 4 different parts of his crew to each sea or something similar, so that they conquer the different seas... and as east blue is the weaker sea, arlong would be the weaker of the 4.....
but its just an idea that came up.... dunno really, might be or might not be.... but following arlong's megalomaniac superiority this might be possible, might be but unlikely... seeing on the plans of arlong himself, saying that he wanted to conquer the world himself, with the help of nami's maps... :S well i just wanted to give my two cents
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Wrong. If you add the term "might" in your sentence then it would work but it was never said why the fishman crew seperated. There is some selection of possibilities and none of them has been confirmed at this poin and are purely fan speculation so far.
I don't think you read my post correctly. I said "possible" and "for all we know". I never said anything definate. @Darkariel:
I don't think so, if Jinbei is a perfectly nice guy why would the W.G. make him a Shichi Bukai
How'd you come to this conclusion? Where does it say a schichbukai can't be nice? Not like the general public would care anywayz, all they know is that he is an extremley strong pirate, thats good enoughf for the WG.
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This is kind of an off-topic thought, but what would everyone think about Jinbei, despite the general thought that because his name means 'Whale Shark' he will be gigantic, being short. Not short like Coby or Helmeppo, just short in comparison to the rest of the fishmen, like average human height. I personally think it would be a great, light-hearted moment when the almighty king of the fishmen is finally revealed and he's a few heads shorter than the rest of them. I'm not saying he should be weak, as he should be quite powerful, but it would be a nice change of pace from the absolutely gigantic pirates we've been seeing like the Blackbeard crew, Whitebeard, and the like.
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It was asked in the lettercorner where the Fishmen where from and Oda said they have an actual island in Grand line, so there are deff more than just Arlong and CO.
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@Octogon:
How'd you come to this conclusion? Where does it say a schichbukai can't be nice? Not like the general public would care anywayz, all they know is that he is an extremley strong pirate, thats good enoughf for the WG.
Well only strong pirates become Shichi Bukai right?
To be a strong pirate you have to kick major ass so that makes then not so good guys
Example Mihawk to be the best swordman probably had to kill many
Crocodile killed guys, Donflamingo almost certainly killed Bellamy that's one reason why I think the Shichi Bukai have to be ruthless pirates so that others fear them
Also to become a Shichi bukai one needs to be known and feared, to be feared you have to have a bad guy reputation not one of being a nice guy, at least that's what I think
And if I'm not mistaken they kill other pirates for the W.G. that doesn't make them nice guys (if they just beat them and delivered them to justice I could understand that they could be nice guys, but no they Kill others)
I also think that Jinbei might be more relax compared to Arlong
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Well only strong pirates become Shichi Bukai right?
Yes.
To be a strong pirate you have to kick major ass so that makes then not so good guys
No. So by your logic the strawhats are not nice? shanks and beckman are not nice? Lucky roo is not nice?
Example Mihawk to be the best swordman probably had to kill many
Crocodile killed guys, Donflamingo almost certainly killed Bellamy that's one reason why I think the Shichi Bukai have to be ruthless pirates so that others fear them
If your a pirate the general public already think of you as an evil ruthless being.
Also to become a Shichi bukai one needs to be known and feared, to be feared you have to have a bad guy reputation not one of being a nice guy, at least that's what I think
That is just so wrong. You can be feared by all and still be nice. Luffy is feared by many people and he is nice.
And if I'm not mistaken they kill other pirates for the W.G. that doesn't make them nice guys (if they just beat them and delivered them to justice I could understand that they could be nice guys, but no they Kill others)
**You can kill and still be nice.
Rememer thee is no good or bad side among pirates. One pirate crew is almost usually the enemy of another. So being strong in itself makes you feared. not being mean.**
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You need some sort of malicious streak to join forces with a government that (if you're at that level of strength) you probably know is crooked and petty.
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You need some sort of malicious streak to join forces with a government that (if you're at that level of strength) you probably know is crooked and petty.
**Or course. and you gain that by simply being a pirate.
and honestly, they are pirates. We know they would kill. but they don't have to be the meanest people on the block.**