You seemed to have decide to go along with all the teasing you get.
If you can't beat them, join them.
You seemed to have decide to go along with all the teasing you get.
If you can't beat them, join them.
The only thing I don't like about this arc is the fact that the SUNNY TEAM has been gone for months real world time now. WTF, Oda has never done anything like this before.
This basically means that after we get new nakama's Oda will be doing things like this more in the future, half the crew MIA till who knows when.
Well I get why he moved Sanji out of Dressrosa, because Sanji can skywalk easily to level 4 and Oda didn't wanna leave him here and make him run around like the rest because readers will start sending in SBS question- "Why didn't Sanji take Luffy and do skywalk?". So to avoid that he was the perfect guy to put as the lead of MIA Sunny team.
Also, with the ridiculous volume of characters currently on mainland Dressrosa (particularly with the debut of a new admiral, redebut of Sabo, final fleshing out of Doffy and his pretty huge crew, important Dressrosa etc.) there was just no way to really give everybody the exposure they need to propel their part in the story effectively.
Cutting out x amount of main characters who can be addressed later with no harm to them was the best way to go, really.
Also, with the ridiculous volume of characters currently on mainland Dressrosa (particularly with the debut of a new admiral, redebut of Sabo, final fleshing out of Doffy and his pretty huge crew, important Dressrosa etc.) there was just no way to really give everybody the exposure they need to propel their part in the story effectively.
Cutting out x amount of main characters who can be addressed later with no harm to them was the best way to go, really.
And I would argue we have still have too much of them.
I'm gonna be completly honest here: I still think there were better routs Oda could've taken with this story.
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I do .
Well⦠I guess you can't burn innocent people down if they are undesireable, but to save your younger pirate brother? That's A-okay.
On the other hand... it was written: "Revolution devours it's own children". So I guess it is fine that Oda goes this route...
Cutting out x amount of main characters who can be addressed later with no harm to them was the best way to go, really.
Yeah, I don't get the complaints either. I understand that people want to see their favorite character, but I would prefer proper exposure over the 1 panel-per-chapter crap any day of the week.
The Sunny team leaving Dressrosa was the best thing that could happen to them, and they will get a compensation.
Pretty sure Jimhei is going to the sun pirates. I don't really mind Sanji dissapearing. I like the dude really much but there are way more than enough jumping around and enough(or too much) character to not need to follow someone leaving Dressrosa.
Well⦠I guess you can't burn innocent people down if they are undesireable, but to save your younger pirate brother? That's A-okay.
Pretty sure that no civilian has been burned by Sabo yet. Houses =! non-marine people
Well⦠I guess you can't burn innocent people down if they are undesireable, but to save your younger pirate brother? That's A-okay. On the other hand... it was written: "Revolution devours it's own children". So I guess it is fine that Oda goes this route...
Pretty sure the houses are somehow empty and thankfully people don't die in OP.But since we are suppose to be ok with Robin resuxrecting mass destruction weapons for the strawhats Sabo situation is pretty ok sijce at least he just can't control the collateral.
Pretty sure that no civilian has been burned by Sabo yet. Houses =! non-marine people
β¦ So you are saying that the entire district got completly evacuated? Or did you not see the scale of those flames?
What more do you need, charred corpses on the ground?
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Pretty sure the houses are somehow empty and thankfully people don't die in OP.But since we are suppose to be ok with Robin resuxrecting mass destruction weapons for the strawhats Sabo situation is pretty ok sijce at least he just can't control the collateral.
β¦ Morality doesn't work that way.
β¦ So you are saying that the entire district got completly evacuated? Or did you not see the scale of those flames?What more do you need, charred corpses on the ground?--- Update From New Post Merge ---... Morality doesn't work that way.
It's the magical evacuation that permits to not have to question the damage cause by the good guys. Probably will serve as a excuse for the lets rebuild our country comment.
Morality may not work that way but what really matters is the sympathy you get for the guy through his motive. " I want to protect my brother who is the sympathetic main character" is a super motivation to get the readers on your side.
It's Fujitora's fault (meteors)β¦ or maybe it's Oda's fault for making two monsters try their new DFs in the middle of the city?!
β¦ So you are saying that the entire district got completly evacuated? Or did you not see the scale of those flames?
What more do you need, charred corpses on the ground?
After the meteor Fuji brought down, it should be.
What a surprise! I was reading my recently acquired volume 71 when I found out in the SBS that Law's sword might hide some secret. I hope we get to see more in the future flashback.
By the way, I think it's faster to count the characters who didn't destroy anything now.
After the meteor Fuji brought down, it should be.
Considering that people are trying to kill each other in many different ways all over the countryβ¦
Or that we can clearly say say that the inferno encompasses a much larger area the Fuji's meteors...
Or, the most advance fact about fires: They spread.
Considering that people are trying to kill each other in many different ways all over the countryβ¦
Or that we can clearly say say that the inferno encompasses a much larger area the Fuji's meteors...
Or, the most advance fact about fires: They spread.
Well, I don't expect Sabo to have perfect control of his ability.
Hell, neither Fujitora seems to do.
It's the magical evacuation that permits to not have to question the damage cause by the good guys. Probably will serve as a excuse for the lets rebuild our country comment.
So it's okay to force countless people into living on the street, as long it is for the sake of one person?
Or, for that matter, A) None of the building or streets were portrayed as evacuated B) Sabo is basicaly burning innocent people alive, be it civilians, or marines doing their jobs. C) He has no way of telling if there are civilians or not. He simply does not care about the collateral.
You guys think it's okay.
I don't.
Morality may not work that way but what really matters is the sympathy you get for the guy through his motive. " I want to protect my brother who is the sympathetic main character" is a super motivation to get the readers on your side.
I'm sorry, that doesn't work me. Completly. I do not like him more, just because he does that for main character, protagonist centered morality never worked for me.
And from morality stand-point, it's easier to paint Akainu's actions at Ohara as positive, then Sabo burning down the city for his brother. Just saying.
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Well, I don't expect Sabo to have perfect control of his ability.
And what kinda excuse is that!?
Let's say, a person completly untrained in using a gun tries his best to shoot a person, and shoots another one by accident, killing him/her.
Are you going to argue that said person is innocent, and that we should just live and forget?
So it's okay to force countless people into living on the street, as long it is for the sake of one person?
Or, for that matter, A) None of the building or streets were portrayed as evacuated B) Sabo is basicaly burning innocent people alive, be it civilians, or marines doing their jobs. C) He has no way of telling if there are civilians or not. He simply does not care about the collateral.
You guys think it's okay.
I don't.
I'm sorry, that doesn't work me. Completly. I do not like him more, just because he does that for main character, protagonist centered morality never worked for me.
And from morality stand-point, it's easier to paint Akainu's actions at Ohara as positive, then Sabo burning down the city for his brother. Just saying.
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And what kinda excuse is that!?
Let's say, a person completly untrained in using a gun tries his best to shoot a person, and shoots another one by accident, killing him/her.
Are you going to argue that said person is innocent, and that we should just live and forget?
Come on, now you're just being nitpicky and making assumptions. Where's the evidence that Sabo is burning citizens? Do we see people getting burned to death? Hell, Oda did show people being almost crushed by a meteor. There's more evidence that Fuji is doing more damage to the people than Sabo is.
You're just being a blind hater. You can do better than this.
The Revolutionaries will most likely offer help to the Dressrosa citizens after all this is done.
Come on, now you're just being nitpicky and making assumptions. Where's the evidence that Sabo is burning citizens?
You're just being a blind hater.
The Revolutionaries will offer help to the Dressrosa citizens after all this is done.
You are making assumptions as well.
Only yours are positive, and in favor of Sabo so⦠more true?
Logicaly, no.
Also, how is assumption that there are civilians left in his giant AoE any less probable then the one that they all magicaly got away?
You are making assumptions as well.
Only yours are positive, and in favor of Sabo so⦠more true?
Logicaly, no.
Also, how is assumption that there are civilians left in his giant AoE any less probable then the one that they all magicaly got away?
I don't see people getting hurt by Sabo's fire.
Yet, in the previous chapter, we see people getting away from the meteor Fuji summoned (also evidence of evacuation). Also, keep in mind that Fujitora's meteors are also on fire, so he could be contributing to this fire too.
In terms of visual evidence, Fuji is being way more dangerous to the surrounding people than Sabo.
And the Revolutionaries will most likely offer help.
I dunno, man. He most definetly won't be taken out in one shoot, but we did saw that all Admirals need to win is a moment of distraction.
Also, who else found the fact that Sabo, of all people, is burning the city down ironic?
I'm not sure, but on the same panel I think I can see a meteor there too.
EDIT: Everyone pointed it out already. >.>
I'm not sure, but on the same panel I think I can see a meteor there too.
I feel the need to ask where.
And then I feel the need to ask why Fuji would be stupid enough to drop meteors on a person that's completly immune to them, after it didn't worked the first timeβ¦
I feel the need to ask where.
And then I feel the need to ask why Fuji would be stupid enough to drop meteors on a person that's completly immune to them, after it didn't worked the first timeβ¦
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I cannot wait to see Doflamingos ship and I wonder if we will see it during this arc.
I feel the need to ask where.
And then I feel the need to ask why Fuji would be stupid enough to drop meteors on a person that's completly immune to them, after it didn't worked the first timeβ¦
Pretty sure you're right with this. I think Oda put that in deliberately to take out Fuji's big move and make this fight a bit more even. Of course we have no idea how much suddenly being crunched into the ground will slow down a fire logia either.
And then I feel the need to ask why Fuji would be stupid enough to drop meteors on a person that's completly immune to them, after it didn't worked the first timeβ¦
Because the damage caused by meteors is from the impact, not because they're on fire. There is also the secondary reason of testing the Bird Cage and seeing if he could break it using meteors, which we clearly see can not be crushed or burned. It ended up being his mistakes, but now we know meteors are ineffective in this fight.
Pretty sure you're right with this. I think Oda put that in deliberately to take out Fuji's big move and make this fight a bit more even. Of course we have no idea how much suddenly being crunched into the ground will slow down a fire logia either.
I don't even think that's even his biggest move, that's practically the only thing he's been doing. He must have more than just summoning meteors.
Sabo VS Doflamingo! Who would win in a fight!?
They discuss about Jabra/Gatherine/Lucci love triangle.
PERFECT! oh man, that's pure gold LOL
Sabo VS Doflamingo! Who would win in a fight!?
Sabo, only to get backstabbed by real Doflamingo and discovering he defeated a clone
Dressrosa started out promising. Now it's been quite underwhelming for me. It'll probably be better to read it once the whole arc is wrapped up and judge it afterwards.
! @blue-san:
! > Ok my personal take on the chapter. I have not done this for a long time. If someone bothers to read it so be it :PFirst there is a cover page. Jinbei traveling in his "bubble boat" and this is something I dont really get if I am honest. Are the fishes sad, cause he is leaving? Are fishes in that particular area sad? Are they sad for some other reason⦠and where is going. Big Mom? Back from Big Mom towards SHs etc... All kinds of question, but I am happy that we are going to see what he has been up to in this cover story.
Now to the chapter itself. It starts with Luffy not thinking much and just throwing some random punch at Doflamingo which he brushes off with ease. What is important to note is also, that he is stating that there are 3 weeklings present, meaning the guy is confident not only that he can beat the three of them but can do it without breaking a sweat.
Next statement he makes is also an interesting one. Why is he making a rhetorical question towards Law regarding the handcuffs?
Is Law only pretending to be handcuffed when he can really uncuf himself if he wants? Is he simply stating that his friend Luffy is so incapable in dealing with it after all this time? Or is he just mocking him? Important question to ask ourselves.
And than there is one more statement - he says he came to SAVE Law. Now that can again be a mockery but it can also be the truth we should see soon...After that initial introduction he goes straight into action immobilizing the bull and than an important comment by Law who says to Luffy to leave the bull, which points to the fact that Luffy isnt all that incompetent and wouldnt have got himself into a crappy situation had he not cared for the bull and what not.
But anyway With just moving a finger he has the bull down and Luffy basically a target to hit at with Law being handcuffed. Which does make look the entire situation rather pathetic from the SH's fan point of view and does confirm his words => WEAKLINGSAnd you would genuinely expect more from Luffy. All those words, repreating how he won't make the same mistakes again, how he will protect those he loves and all that stuff. With one finger DF basically can kill them all three right then and there. He also makes it known to us by simply telling that at this point loads of people could sweep the floor with them.
He does however recognizes Luffy's ability to make friends and acknowledges his power in that respect but at the same time he once again says = "what does it matter when you yourself cant do shit" And again we have to agree that he does make a valid pointHe than proceeds in asking Law why did he chose to bet all his chips on Luffy. Still cant get it...and he basically makes a remark which hints that law is devleoping some "feelings" for Luffy aka friendship (no sexual stuff hah) why? Well because he says, he was a lot more crueler and craftier when younger, indicating that a smart person, a smart old Law would not have decided to bet it all on this guy but would make a sensible even if heartless decision. I think this is what Doflamingo is pointing at here.
To which Law responds that he has been saved.... and Doflamingo asks "By my brother Corazon?" Now this is implying Corazon was different in that respect to Doflamingo and was not a cruel guy working for hisselfinterests and killing everything in his path.And in the middle of this really interesting conversation WAM: The assisn guys Abdulah and his bro. And what do we notice at that point?
- that they are sticking true to their theme - Dofla didnt detect them or moved away
- They are an interesting pair of side characters and that them riding that bull and stuff like that actually was more important for the story then we thought. Heh
- the most important thing of all - > that DOFLAMINGO is yet again using his string clone
And here at the point 3 I was like. Come on give me a break... First his head - off and its a clone. Now this and its a clone. Everytime we will see Doflamingo we will be asking ourselves is he really dead is this his clone? Hack maybe even if he gets killed we ll ask ourselves if this wasnt just some new better clone and the real dofla is safe and sound. Perhaps a bit far stretched but just to make a point that this cone thing is not to my liking at all.
So after all that Law makes a remark/question to himself. Did he just came to show us how pathetic we are basically...and is just toying with them?
Than we just get a confirmation that Doflamingo doesnt care for anyone but his own family and in fact is likely to just kill anyone no matter what the outcome here will be, which goes in line with him stating he ll need to deal with Fujitora later.Now the part which I loved here was when they tell Luffy that the rest of the raging bunch has overtook them and are now at the second level lol. And than just as we see DFs crew ready to take the raging bunch on - wam Luffy with his elephant gun makes a shortcut by himself haha. That one was neat
On the other side. there is the tantata thing and their baloonish kind of bugs, neat touch
Now a bit disappointing part. Where Franky and some tontata are trying to blast the door and Senior Pink is still giving Franky a hard time. I did expect Franky to wipe the floor with him if I am honest and than we see Zoro and his badassery I guess. At least one guy you have a feeling will definitely not lose his fight.
Than just to let us know that Fuji and Sabo are having an epic fight of their own and than back to Luffy where Cavendish has a plan and I am really interested in what it is ;)And for the last part we return to Doflamingo where we see him holding a key with a heart shape on it (indicating its the key for Law's handcuffs) and he mentions how he kind of saw aw becoming his right hand man but that now he has to kill him and than we see Law and what he was like when he was young. And the most important bit here is when Law dressed in granades says that he wants to join DF crew and that he has not got any longer to live. Now maybe this was a part where Law gets SAVED by Corason and maybe this is a part where Law becomes a doctor because maybe Corason is a doctor as well and maybe Doflamingo mocks his brother, because he was always caring for people and saving some random lifes and we all know what is DFs view regarding that.
Well we shall see. I liked the chapter am just annyoed at some of Luffys and Frankys poor performance and the clone thing but for me it was a good chapter.
Anyone who read this wall of text. A cookie and a bravo lol I think you are reading a little to much into the fish. There are scenes where people or creatures that have a certain look that really doesn't mean much. Especially for the beginning of a cover story, probably doesn't matter what it means, if anything. When Doflamingo called them weaklings, he was taunting them. Between them being in the water in a weakened state, as well as having pushed him this far, he feels like taunting them. This could also show that Doflamingo doesn't care whether he underestimates them or not, he wants revenge for what humiliation he's been put through.
As far as the statement Luffy made about never making the same mistakes again, I understand some of the frustration, but is seems some people take it to seriously. He did fall for that trap, but I think the complaints will be more legitimate if he continues to fall for those traps in this scenario. I agree that Luffy's attachment to his friends can be a downfall, as we see with Ucy, but we also know that can be his strength as well. As far as the Franky fight, while I really want to see him fight, I'm assuming he's saving up his strength for the factory at the moment. It's smarter to make sure he has enough power to take down the factory first before defeating Senor Pink. Of course, I could be wrong with this but seems like the most plausible situation atm.
It will be interesting to see the Law Flashback, which even the people who don't care for this arc seem to have been looking forward to. It should be a nice break from the chaos.
I cannot wait to see Doflamingos ship and I wonder if we will see it during this arc.
We seem to barely see the villains ship. At this point I don't think he has his ship any more. He probably stays in Dressrosa most of the time and fly's where he needs to. If he uses a ship, it's probably nothing special because he wouldn't want to stand out.
@Gol:
Dressrosa started out promising. Now it's been quite underwhelming for me. It'll probably be better to read it once the whole arc is wrapped up and judge it afterwards.
One Piece, like a lot of Mangas, is much better when reading through an arc whole. While Oda does a good job of making people want more of the Manga, since there is always a lot to look forward to, when reading on a weekly basis, there are still times where you want things to move along. Him taking all these breaks doesn't help, but he needs to so he doesn't get overly stressed so he can eventually finish it. For me, even if there are chapters that aren't great by One Piece standards, I can still find something to enjoy each chapter, but that's going to be different for each person.
I'd just like to see him standing toe-to-toe with a strong opponent post timeskip. It would help exemplify the results of his training and it would be nice to see doflamingo's smile wiped of his face
He already did. With Horny Jones.
Then Oda decided to keep him level. You don't wanna see Luffy breezing through NW easily.
@The:
We seem to barely see the villains ship. At this point I don't think he has his ship any more. He probably stays in Dressrosa most of the time and fly's where he needs to. If he uses a ship, it's probably nothing special because he wouldn't want to stand out.
Bellamy mentioned Dpflamingos ship so I think there are high chances that we will get to see it. If not in current timeline as Doflamingo might not make to ship then during flashback there is a lot of space for showing us Mingos ship. I am just interested in design.
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Bellamy mentioned Dpflamingos ship so I think there are high chances that we will get to see it. If not in current timeline as Doflamingo might not make to ship then during flashback there is a lot of space for showing us Mingos ship. I am just interested in design.
We might get to see his ship, if we do I would assume that it's during the flashback. Reading that page again, I remember that chapter and really liking it. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but that chapter made me go from hating Bellamy to actually liking him and was cheering for him during his block. The only other Manga that I have read that has successfully done that is JoJo's bizarre adventure. I'm sure there is more but I haven't read lot's of Manga, but that is currently being rectified.
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Bellamy mentioned Dpflamingos ship so I think there are high chances that we will get to see it. If not in current timeline as Doflamingo might not make to ship then during flashback there is a lot of space for showing us Mingos ship. I am just interested in design.
I think that's just a metaphor.
He also mentioned a metaphorical tidal wave in the same page after all.
@The:
We might get to see his ship, if we do I would assume that it's during the flashback. Reading that page again, I remember that chapter and really liking it. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but that chapter made me go from hating Bellamy to actually liking him and was cheering for him during his block. The only other Manga that I have read that has successfully done that is JoJo's bizarre adventure. I'm sure there is more but I haven't read lot's of Manga, but that is currently being rectified.
After I readed that chapter and seen Bellamys growth in all apects- character, fame, power and when Oda directly said he has lost all his nakama on his way to Golden Pillar then I thought he might join Strawhats.
Oda once said that former enemy boss will join group and that would add up with that- and for somebody who will write he was talking about Franky- it was in interview around time skip.
With Ballamys idol true colors showing themselves it seems like he will be left without anybody in World. So as much as some people might dislike that idea I would like to see Bellamy joining.
And Oda is doing pretty awesome job during this arc with changing what we think about characters over the time. Bartolomeo was shown as asshole at start of arc, now he is strawhat material.
Cavendish has his evil alter ego that killed innocent people and he is real asshole to contrast with his looks.
Bellamy from villain grown into character that can be liked and respected. I think that Bellamy will be part of Laws flashback as they both are from same sea and either in Laws or Doflamingos flashback we can get information to understand reason for Bellamy respecting Doflamingo so much.
Check out Vinland Saga if you are an adult or at least close to it if you like some more serious mangas, its about Vikings basically and only in first few chapters there is one character looking unreal- later 100% realistic looks and no magic/ powers etc.
I think that's just a metaphor.
He also mentioned a metaphorical tidal wave in the same page after all.
Oh hi - came to disagree with me ? :happy:
Of course he used metaphor in one way and on another he pointed out to fact that Mingo has his ship and we seen all ships of enemies until now so it would be wierd if we dont get to see Mingos ship.
After I readed that chapter and seen Bellamys growth in all apects- character, fame, power and when Oda directly said he has lost all his nakama on his way to Golden Pillar then I thought he might join Strawhats.
Oda once said that former enemy boss will join group and that would add up with that- and for somebody who will write he was talking about Franky- it was in interview around time skip.With Ballamys idol true colors showing themselves it seems like he will be left without anybody in World. So as much as some people might dislike that idea I would like to see Bellamy joining.
And Oda is doing pretty awesome job during this arc with changing what we think about characters over the time. Bartolomeo was shown as asshole at start of arc, now he is strawhat material.
Cavendish has his evil alter ego that killed innocent people and he is real asshole to contrast with his looks.
Bellamy from villain grown into character that can be liked and respected. I think that Bellamy will be part of Laws flashback as they both are from same sea and either in Laws or Doflamingos flashback we can get information to understand reason for Bellamy respecting Doflamingo so much.Check out Vinland Saga if you are an adult or at least close to it if you like some more serious mangas, its about Vikings basically and only in first few chapters there is one character looking unreal- later 100% realistic looks and no magic/ powers etc.
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Oh hi - came to disagree with me ? :happy:
Of course he used metaphor in one way and on another he pointed out to fact that Mingo has his ship and we seen all ships of enemies until now so it would be wierd if we dont get to see Mingos ship.
Bellamy joining would be sweet actually. His fruit is quite interesting and we saw him using it in some neat ways during the competition. I can't believe I didn't think about him joining until you said something. Cavendish is an interesting character, but I need to see him do a little more before I can like him. Bartolomeo has been cemented as my favorite new character of this arc. The faces he has made the last bunch of chapters is amazing, and he's just an awesome guy all around. I really want to see a great reaction when he see's Franky, if he does. If he likes Franky as much as I do, it should be Epic.
I think I'll try out Vinland Saga next after I catch up on JoJo (Currently more than half-way through part 5). I've heard great things about it, especially from the Weekly Manga Recap guys. Also plan on reading Magi, since a lot of people here seems to like it a lot. I'm on a boat for 5 more weeks still so anything to keep me occupied is great.
@The:
Bellamy joining would be sweet actually. His fruit is quite interesting and we saw him using it in some neat ways during the competition. I can't believe I didn't think about him joining until you said something. Cavendish is an interesting character, but I need to see him do a little more before I can like him. Bartolomeo has been cemented as my favorite new character of this arc. The faces he has made the last bunch of chapters is amazing, and he's just an awesome guy all around. I really want to see a great reaction when he see's Franky, if he does. If he likes Franky as much as I do, it should be Epic.
I think I'll try out Vinland Saga next after I catch up on JoJo (Currently more than half-way through part 5). I've heard great things about it, especially from the Weekly Manga Recap guys. Also plan on reading Magi, since a lot of people here seems to like it a lot. I'm on a boat for 5 more weeks still so anything to keep me occupied is great.
I wonder if Bart would like a photo(like from this years Oscars) if he will be with SH crew when they unite He would die from Joy.
As for Bellamy - we dont know him well, this arc seems like it will be longest in OP history so we have to wait and see what Oda has in store for Bellamy. Maybe he has some skills that would be nice addition to crews overal potential as whole.
You are on a boat?
I wonder if Bart would like a photo(like from this years Oscars) if he will be with SH crew when they unite He would die from Joy.
As for Bellamy - we dont know him well, this arc seems like it will be longest in OP history so we have to wait and see what Oda has in store for Bellamy. Maybe he has some skills that would be nice addition to crews overal potential as whole.
You are on a boat?
Bart does know his strawhats. I think I would react like him if I ever met Oda in person (Fat chance of that ever happening). If Bellamy joined the crew (Big if), he seems like he would be more of a resourceful fighter from what we've seen. He would fight weaker opponents with crazy powers, where he would have to use his brains to hit the opponent. Of course that's how I imagine in from the very little we've seen of him fight.
I'm trying to become the Pirate King in our world:ninja:. In reality, I work offshore on boats for a period of time.
I think that's just a metaphor.
He also mentioned a metaphorical tidal wave in the same page after all.
Even though it's just a metaphor, I just love the chilling, foreboding implication of what Bellamy said. I think he knows something the reader doesn't know yet, about events that are yet to come. I know he idolizes Doffy, but it seemed to me that he wanted to get onto his ship for reasons other than just idol worship.
Even though it's just a metaphor, I just love the chilling, foreboding implication of what Bellamy said. I think he knows something the reader doesn't know yet, about events that are yet to come. I know he idolizes Doffy, but it seemed to me that he wanted to get onto his ship for reasons other than just idol worship.
Yeah. I agree with that.
And let's face it, Doflamingo's ship was one of the best bets in existence, with him having protection from goverment and yonkou at the same time.
Shame he is also an idiot sometimes⦠but we can't have everything, I guess.
@The:
Bart does know his strawhats. I think I would react like him if I ever met Oda in person (Fat chance of that ever happening). If Bellamy joined the crew (Big if), he seems like he would be more of a resourceful fighter from what we've seen. He would fight weaker opponents with crazy powers, where he would have to use his brains to hit the opponent. Of course that's how I imagine in from the very little we've seen of him fight.
I'm trying to become the Pirate King in our world:ninja:. In reality, I work offshore on boats for a period of time.
I think Bellamy is famous and strong enough to be lower-mid-tier in strawhats crew. He sure gotten some beating from Dellinger but he had 0 resolve to fight back so we cant judge him just yet.
As for words that crushed him about killing off that eyesore(Bellamy) that Dellinger said Mingo used- I think it was Diamantes order.
It would be in his character as he was shown to mentaly torture Rebbeca during block D fight.
As to kind of prove my point - look here
While when Bellamy remembers what were last things Doflamingo said to him
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What Diamante and Dellinger said is in great contrast to Doflamingo last words to Bellamy.
Another thing that points to Diamante being behind kill order is in my opinion this page
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For me its clear that Diamante disliked a lot that Doflamingo was "soft" and gave Bellamy a chance so I think that it adds up with that kill order Dellinger gotten from Diamante(line of command is Doflamingo - Diamante - Dellinger).
I think Bellamy is famous and strong enough to be lower-mid-tier in strawhats crew. He sure gotten some beating from Dellinger but he had 0 resolve to fight back so we cant judge him just yet.
As for words that crushed him about killing off that eyesore(Bellamy) that Dellinger said Mingo used- I think it was Diamantes order.
It would be in his character as he was shown to mentaly torture Rebbeca during block D fight.As to kind of prove my point - look here
http://i37.mangareader.net/one-piece/731/one-piece-4624887.jpgWhile when Bellamy remembers what were last things Doflamingo said to him
! http://i22.mangareader.net/one-piece/731/one-piece-4624889.jpg
What Diamante and Dellinger said is in great contrast to Doflamingo last words to Bellamy.
Another thing that points to Diamante being behind kill order is in my opinion this page
! http://i25.mangareader.net/one-piece/714/one-piece-4285173.jpg
For me its clear that Diamante disliked a lot that Doflamingo was "soft" and gave Bellamy a chance so I think that it adds up with that kill order Dellinger gotten from Diamante(line of command is Doflamingo - Diamante - Dellinger).
After seeing those again as well as everything else in this arc, I get the feeling that the top people of the family respect Doflamingo so much, that they will pick out the trash and do things for him that they feel will be good in the long run. Doflamingo seems to be somewhat considerate towards hi crew, but how he reacts to a person will vary according to their rank. In this arc we see Trebol and Diamante apologizing for how much they screwed up, but Doflamingo just brushed it off as nothing. During the Skypea stuff, we see him punish Bellamy by making him fight one of his members, but he didn't kill him. Him not killing Law right away shows he still has some kind of compassion for a subordinate who defected.
Contrast with how we've seen Diamante and Dellinger treat Bellamy. They treat him as trash, and Dellinger even takes down Bellamy before he had a chance to show if he would attack Luffy. This shows a difference in attitude between Doflamingo and the rest of his crew. Doflamingo will give you chances to prove your worth and loyalty, and as long as your loyal, you'll get more chances even though you will be punished. The subordinates seem to think along the lines of one has to be both loyal and strong to serve. Bellamy has failed on a number of occasions, and they see him as useless. Now not all of the members necessarily believe this, but that's what I've gathered from this arc so far. At the moment this mostly applies to Diamante and Dellinger.
@The:
After seeing those again as well as everything else in this arc, I get the feeling that the top people of the family respect Doflamingo so much, that they will pick out the trash and do things for him that they feel will be good in the long run. Doflamingo seems to be somewhat considerate towards hi crew, but how he reacts to a person will vary according to their rank. In this arc we see Trebol and Diamante apologizing for how much they screwed up, but Doflamingo just brushed it off as nothing. During the Skypea stuff, we see him punish Bellamy by making him fight one of his members, but he didn't kill him. Him not killing Law right away shows he still has some kind of compassion for a subordinate who defected.
Contrast with how we've seen Diamante and Dellinger treat Bellamy. They treat him as trash, and Dellinger even takes down Bellamy before he had a chance to show if he would attack Luffy. This shows a difference in attitude between Doflamingo and the rest of his crew. Doflamingo will give you chances to prove your worth and loyalty, and as long as your loyal, you'll get more chances even though you will be punished. The subordinates seem to think along the lines of one has to be both loyal and strong to serve. Bellamy has failed on a number of occasions, and they see him as useless. Now not all of the members necessarily believe this, but that's what I've gathered from this arc so far. At the moment this mostly applies to Diamante and Dellinger.
16 characters of yes.
And you picked nice thing to do- that work on boeat thing. Especially if you have enough time to catch up with JoJo
I just got the vibe that most of the executive members were Pirates that Doffy had recruited back when he was still a small time Pirate, the same way Luffy built up his crew piece by piece. After all, when he came back to take Dressrosa's throne, he already had all the current executives with him, though everyone was younger.
So I think the executives who are his actual crew, especially Trebol and Diamante who were probably one of his first crewmates, he can be forgiving towards because they've been together so long. Which explains their relationship with their boss too, I don't think there's an ounce of fear towards Doffy from Diamante, Pica, or Trebol. They might want to avoid making him upset, but he is their captain. There's respect there, and I think it's mutual.
I think Bellamy is famous and strong enough to be lower-mid-tier in strawhats crew. He sure gotten some beating from Dellinger but he had 0 resolve to fight back so we cant judge him just yet.
As for words that crushed him about killing off that eyesore(Bellamy) that Dellinger said Mingo used- I think it was Diamantes order.
It would be in his character as he was shown to mentaly torture Rebbeca during block D fight.As to kind of prove my point - look here
http://i37.mangareader.net/one-piece/731/one-piece-4624887.jpgWhile when Bellamy remembers what were last things Doflamingo said to him
! http://i22.mangareader.net/one-piece/731/one-piece-4624889.jpg
What Diamante and Dellinger said is in great contrast to Doflamingo last words to Bellamy.
Another thing that points to Diamante being behind kill order is in my opinion this page
! http://i25.mangareader.net/one-piece/714/one-piece-4285173.jpg
For me its clear that Diamante disliked a lot that Doflamingo was "soft" and gave Bellamy a chance so I think that it adds up with that kill order Dellinger gotten from Diamante(line of command is Doflamingo - Diamante - Dellinger).
I've heard this theory once already and I say it again: would Diamante do something like this behind Doffy's back? The guy's obviously extremely loyal to Doffy and even if he disliked his "softness", he probably wouldn't kill Bellamy without his master's permission. Even if we assume that he has the authority to whack lower-ranking members himself, Dellinger stated that Doffy himself was behind the order. Why would he lie about his master he's supposed to respect so much?
Then again, guess it's possible that Diamante had the authority to kill him and Dellinger lied just to bully Bellamy. What especially confuses me is that while Bellamy did lose block B he had already made several succesful raids on neighboring countries and was very popular among the colosseum audience. Even if he wasn't officer level, he was still pretty damn useful. Hell, he only lost because of King Punch which was rumoured could take down Yonkou. He even figured out Barty's weakness at that point. Why would Doffy want to kill someone so useful and loyal in the first place? And if Diamante was behind the order, would he even dare to kill Bellamy without Doffy's permission?
Either way Bellamy is obviously set up to ditch Doffy at some point and being almost killed by him is good enough excuse. If Diamante was behind the order that would just complicate things. It's probably better if we assume that Doffy did in fact order Bellamy's death.
16 characters of yes.
And you picked nice thing to do- that work on boeat thing. Especially if you have enough time to catch up with JoJo
It's a pretty sweet gig.
@Light:
I've heard this theory once already and I say it again: would Diamante something like this behind Doffy's back? The guy's obviously extremely loyal to Doffy and even if he disliked his "softness", he probably wouldn't kill Bellamy without his master's permission. They had Even if we assume that he has the authority to whack lower-ranking members himself, Dellinger stated that Doffy himself was behind the order. Why would he lie about his master he's supposed to respect so much?
Then again, guess it's possible that Diamante had the authority to kill him and Dellinger lied just to bully Bellamy. What especially confuses me is that while Bellamy did lose block B he had already made several succesful raids on neighboring countries and was very popular among the colosseum audience. Even if he wasn't officer level, he was still pretty damn useful. Hell, the only reason he lost because of King Punch which was rumoured could take down Yonkou. He even figured out Barty's weakness at that point. Why would Doffy want to kill someone so useful and loyal in the first place? And if Diamante was behind the order, would he even dare to kill Bellamy without Doffy's permission?
Either way Bellamy is obviously set up to ditch Doffy at some point and being almost killed by him is good enough excuse. If Diamante was behind the order that would just complicate things. It's probably better if we assume that Doffy did in fact order Bellamy's death.
I think there are a likely number of scenarios, and we won't know till the end. Though some of what you say would make it seem weird if he wanted Bellamy dead. If he's good at raiding and is popular among some people, why would you want to kill him? I would think Doflamingo would be smart enough to realize that even though he isn't the most successful member, he is still useful. This is why I think it would be Diamante and Dellinger who decided to do it. From the little bit of Dellinger we've seen, he seems like a guy who attacks people if they are weak. The only other theory that I have, which is out there, is that Doflamingo hoped Bellamy would be severely injured fighting Luffy and then when Bellamy was weak, he would be taken out so they could blame Luffy for his death, but there isn't really any reason to do that. I would love to see Bellamy take on Dellinger so he can get some payback, and when he see's Luffy take down Doflamingo, he no longer has any respect for him.
@The:
I think there are a likely number of scenarios, and we won't know till the end. Though some of what you say would make it seem weird if he wanted Bellamy dead. If he's good at raiding and is popular among some people, why would you want to kill him? I would think Doflamingo would be smart enough to realize that even though he isn't the most successful member, he is still useful. This is why I think it would be Diamante and Dellinger who decided to do it. From the little bit of Dellinger we've seen, he seems like a guy who attacks people if they are weak. The only other theory that I have, which is out there, is that Doflamingo hoped Bellamy would be severely injured fighting Luffy and then when Bellamy was weak, he would be taken out so they could blame Luffy for his death, but there isn't really any reason to do that. I would love to see Bellamy take on Dellinger so he can get some payback, and when he see's Luffy take down Doflamingo, he no longer has any respect for him.
I think only the 3 executive officers are the people Doflamingo truly cares about. And then the three executives were allowed to choose members to be part of the family. So you can say that Doflamingo is like a grandpa to those lower members of the family so automatically he cares about them too. Bellamy wasn't accepted in the first place so he had to earn it somehow.