The best part is how people have targeted the character of the rescued soldier to get at Obama. Like actually trying to make the argument that the person we saved wasn't worth it.
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The best part is how people have targeted the character of the rescued soldier to get at Obama. Like actually trying to make the argument that the person we saved wasn't worth it.
Yeah they were so bad that even Steven Colbert had took pock shots at them instead of his usual tongue in cheek sarcasm disguised as 'support'. He featured last night how they were going on about him being in Ballet … as if it was a shame or if he wasn't a man enough to be worth it.
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…to get at Obama.
This is what really gets me about all of this: how unapologetically, disgustingly politicized it all is. Granted, that's simply par for the course; that's politics, so what I'm more or less saying here is simply that I can't stand politics, but still.
The thing is, I feel there really is room for quite interesting debate about a lot of facets of this issue. I think most people would agree that the US never leaving a man behind is a lovely principle. However, sometimes principles need to be tempered by reality. Is there such a thing as a cost too great? If so, was this one such instance? How much of a danger do the five men released now pose? Is it possible to weight the relative 'worth' of a man's freedom based on his previous actions?
Did Obama, in fact, skirt laws concerning proper procedure? If so, was he justified in doing so? Would that be a dangerous line of argument to pursue? Where would one draw the line? To what extent, if any, should a President be able to act unlawfully, if necessary, to do what is 'right'?
There is far, far more than enough room for people to have incredibly nuanced positions here. Not in the world of politics, however, where it's reduced to a shouting match between black and white. Either everything about this has been perfect and deserving of the greatest praise, or incompetence bordering on treason. I grant that's not entirely fair; I don't doubt that there are people out there that do take a more nuanced view. They are, however, completely drowned out by the usual shouting and mud slinging. That's what I can't stand. It's the nature of the beast, perhaps, but when that nature obliterates any possibility of worthwhile discourse, then there is something very, very wrong with it.
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A Federal Judge strikes down Wisconsin's gay marriage ban:
http://news.yahoo.com/gay-marriages-begin-wisconsin-ruling-225002514.html
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I think we're getting close to the point where states whose bans haven't been struck down are going to start putting pressure on other states that have to not appeal those decisions.
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@Rogues':
So is there an actual chance that President Obama could be impeached over the Bergdahl transfer?
or are Republicans just throwing another bitch fit again.
If the Word "all talk" applies to anyone it is republicans..;)
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I've been searching for days an english source for this but i haven't been able to find an up-to-date one:
[http://ncronline.org/person/eduardo-cordova-bautista
So, ok. This bit of news is what i've found out so let me expand. It wasn't one boy. Recent news have indicated that he has been drugging and raping boys and teenagers for 30 years.
The Thing is that it was the church that denounced him scared of how big the thing is. Of course, they just done it after turning a blind eye two times. Right now the guy is on the run and two or three archbishops are in investigation of possible cover up. This has given goosebumps for the past days (been really angry about it and i just had to share it). I'll see if i find something bigger in english.](http://ncronline.org/person/eduardo-cordova-bautista)
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http://news.yahoo.com/indian-minister-says-rapes-happen-accidentally-070139401.html
This guy would probably fit in nicely with the Tea Party with logic like that.
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http://news.yahoo.com/indian-minister-says-rapes-happen-accidentally-070139401.html
This guy would probably fit in nicely with the Tea Party with logic like that.
What can you expect minister of a country where gang raping is national past time?
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http://news.yahoo.com/indian-minister-says-rapes-happen-accidentally-070139401.html
This guy would probably fit in nicely with the Tea Party with logic like that.
Was just gonna post this. Unbelievable.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/police-ambushed-in-las-vegas-5-dead
This world has officially crossed some sort of line when honest cops can't even enjoy a good Pizza in peace.
Predictable NRA response: "The pizza chef, the dough-maker, the cashier, and the man who fixes the soda-dispenser could have easily protected the tragedy from occurring if they had been unnecessarily armed and vigilantly focusing on paranoid security and not spinning their pies like a bunch of godawful liberals!"
Congress to pass the Arm the Anchovies Act later this week.
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Those jackasses that murdered those cops were apparently part of the anti-government crowd that showed up at the Bundy Ranch a while back.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/las-vegas-shooters-bundy-ranch
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Wow, really? I remember reading through the comments on the first article you linked, and people were suggesting that as a possibility (I have no idea how seriously or not).
For that to actually be the case… is perhaps not all that surprising, then, but is still just incredibly disgusting and sad.
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http://news.yahoo.com/indian-minister-says-rapes-happen-accidentally-070139401.html
This guy would probably fit in nicely with the Tea Party with logic like that.
This minister' attitude is sickening. I sincerely hope there is some major backlash to his comments. AS in more than just comments and protests. Be ideal if he lost his post to show fools that rape is not okay! … yeah lost hope there. That article shows just how bad many men are in political system is there in their views about rape.
Really I don't what is worse....
quotes from that article
-"A minister from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ruling party has said rapes happen "accidentally" -"the home minister of the BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh state said rapes were "sometimes right, sometimes wrong" -Yadav's father Mulayam Singh – leader of the Samajwadi Party -- was also the target of public anger in April when he told an election rally that he opposed the recently introduced death penalty for gang-rapists, saying "boys make mistakes".and it ends showing even more excuses =
"At the time, several politicians sought to blame tight jeans, short skirts and other Western influences for the country's rise in rapes, while the head of a village council pointed to chowmein which he claimed led to hormone imbalances among men."shakes head yeah this reminds me some of the hair-brained crap I've heard from idiots like the Tea Party = "It's not the man's fault! It's the woman's fault he can't control his actions!"
I can not get over that a government minister official said that rape is "sometimes right" -
Sometimes murder just happens, boys make mistakes
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This minister' attitude is sickening. I sincerely hope there is some major backlash to his comments. AS in more than just comments and protests. Be ideal if he lost his post to show fools that rape is not okay! … yeah lost hope there. That article shows just how bad many men are in political system is there in their views about rape.
Really I don't what is worse....
quotes from that article
-"A minister from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ruling party has said rapes happen "accidentally" -"the home minister of the BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh state said rapes were "sometimes right, sometimes wrong" -Yadav's father Mulayam Singh – leader of the Samajwadi Party -- was also the target of public anger in April when he told an election rally that he opposed the recently introduced death penalty for gang-rapists, saying "boys make mistakes".and it ends showing even more excuses =
"At the time, several politicians sought to blame tight jeans, short skirts and other Western influences for the country's rise in rapes, while the head of a village council pointed to chowmein which he claimed led to hormone imbalances among men."shakes head yeah this reminds me some of the hair-brained crap I've heard from idiots like the Tea Party = "It's not the man's fault! It's the woman's fault he can't control his actions!"
I can not get over that a government minister official said that rape is "sometimes right"So, by this logic, I can just go ahead and steal a tv, because it was displayed in a way that affected my very soul, so my hands just sorta, you know, moved by themselves. I swear officer, it was the shop's fault.
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So, by this logic, I can just go ahead and steal a tv, because it was displayed in a way that affected my very soul, so my hands just sorta, you know, moved by themselves. I swear officer, it was the shop's fault.
Girls make mistakes tooYou always do know how to make me laugh, Nolus
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Sometimes murder just happens, boys make mistakes
They get all hopped up on that chowmein, and there's just no telling what they'll do once that happens.
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They get all hopped up on that chowmein, and there's just no telling what they'll do once that happens.
Hey hey hey, don't put all the blame on my ancestor's cuisine now.
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Hey hey hey, don't put all the blame on my ancestor's cuisine now.
Wait a minute before you Chinese water torture me - tight jeans and short skirts are at least 50% to blame, as well.
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http://news.msn.com/us/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-in-primary?ocid=ansnews11
Eric Cantor just lost to a Tea Party candidate.
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For people who have been in the California school system or have tried to teach in it for the past 25 years, you will be loving this.
Unless you have tenure of course.
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http://news.msn.com/us/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-in-primary?ocid=ansnews11
Eric Cantor just lost to a Tea Party candidate.
I guess
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http://news.msn.com/us/house-majority-leader-cantor-defeated-in-primary?ocid=ansnews11
Eric Cantor just lost to a Tea Party candidate.
The fact that the position of No.2 man in the House of Representatives (who yes, was an asshat) being replaced by one of those Tea Party nutjobs is incredibly disturbing. I worried about the lasting effect that will have on future House votes/decisions.
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@Rogues':
The fact that the position of No.2 man in the House of Representatives (who yes, was an asshat) being replaced by one of those Tea Party nutjobs is incredibly disturbing. I worried about the lasting effect that will have on future House votes/decisions.
Cantor is going to resign from his position as House Majority Leader at the end of July but the position isn't tied to his seat in any way. The party with the largest number of seats chooses the Majority Leader via secret ballot after the start of a term. Plus there is a Democrat running in November so he's not necessarily guaranteed to win; it's a Republican district but not so large a margin that an R will automatically guarantee a win regardless of candidate.
This primary will definitely have a major effect on the remaining GOP primary races this year though since Brat ran against immigration reform. Cantor wasn't even a big supporter of that so much as he just expressed some openness to maybe considering it at some unspecified future date. So you're going to see a lot of Republicans shift towards the "The only acceptable immigration policy is 'Deport the (Latino-centric ethnic slur of your preference)!'" of the spectrum to try and avoid being upset by a Tea Party challenger like Cantor was.
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Hopefully this pushes more moderately conservative districts to the left instead of siding with the extreme tea party people. But it could also make moderate conservative politicians take a more extreme stance but that would again alienate more moderate conservatives. Wouldn't it be great if this just caused a complete breakdown of the two party system and suddenly we'd have Tea Party, Reps, Lazy Dems, and worthwhile Dems. And then they suddenly eliminate first past the post voting and remove the electoral college and and and
a man can dream though. a man can dream…
Also fuck teachers unions. The only thing they care about is covering their own ass and they've always been one of the major roadblocks in education reform. Tenure after two years is just stupid. Teachers going on strike is as bad as cops or firefighters striking. Everything they do for themselves always comes at the expense of the children they're supposed to be educating. This kind of reform has been a long time coming and I honestly didn't think it would ever happen cause the unions are so powerful they love to hide behind protecting children which is a hard thing to fight politically.
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Hopefully this pushes more moderately conservative districts to the left instead of siding with the extreme tea party people. But it could also make moderate conservative politicians take a more extreme stance but that would again alienate more moderate conservatives. Wouldn't it be great if this just caused a complete breakdown of the two party system and suddenly we'd have Tea Party, Reps, Lazy Dems, and worthwhile Dems. And then they suddenly eliminate first past the post voting and remove the electoral college and and and
a man can dream though. a man can dream…
And make the process of voting easier and more efficient. Nah.
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Also fuck teachers unions. The only thing they care about is covering their own ass and they've always been one of the major roadblocks in education reform. Tenure after two years is just stupid. Teachers going on strike is as bad as cops or firefighters striking. Everything they do for themselves always comes at the expense of the children they're supposed to be educating. This kind of reform has been a long time coming and I honestly didn't think it would ever happen cause the unions are so powerful they love to hide behind protecting children which is a hard thing to fight politically.
Yeah, No. Most teacher's unions do a good job in checking against the overwhelming power that school administrators wield. They protect the rights of teachers and for the most part promote professionalism amongst their ranks. Yes, some unions can overreach their bounds and are far from infallible, but blaming teachers unions for the lack of education reform is foolhardy. Education agenda at its core is not decided at a classroom or even local level. The agenda is decided in state and federal legislatures. Public schools have to adhere to these standards, but more often than not private schools are not held to the same standard. Speaking of private schools, fuck their treatment of teachers. They are paid less, often receive less benefits, are comparatively under-trained, and without union protection can be dismissed for any number of "reasons." So no, let's not fuck teacher's unions. Also, tenure in this context does not mean "tenure" in the sense of guaranteed employment, tenure is this context is closer to due process.
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Yeah, no. My mother worked in the public school system of a large urban area. She ended up touching everything on the local level to statewide standards. So i've seen the entire education gauntlet up to at least that level. Teacher unions are not the only problem with education, especially in the inner city but they are reason why education reform has either been nonexistent or shitty in the US. Their lobby is powerful but don't actually want to be held accountable for the kids they're supposed to teach. They have the power to change how funding is distributed. How state/federal standards of education are set. How the standards for teaching in the state are set. They have everything they need to put into play all the things we have learned over the past 80+ years about educating children and yet that either hasn't changed or it's gotten way worse. They don't hold teachers to very high standards and like I said their concern is more about themselves than the students which makes sense, they aren't a student union, they're a teachers union. I really don't care about private schools or even charters schools both of which vary depending on a lot of things even if they're receiving public funding. If public schools were better they wouldn't exist anyway except for the wealthy but again i don't care about that.
I don't think teachers should be left to hang. I love good teachers. I just have an extreme hatred of bad ones and even mediocre ones. There is a way to be a good teacher and the standard should be set there. You are either a good teacher or you shouldn't be a teacher. It is not a job where you can slack off and the work will probably be picked up by someone else. To teach poorly is damaging to kids. It's damaging to the future of the entire country and it should be treated like that. No matter what grade you are you have to go into the classroom with a plan and an energy that most of the teachers i've had in my lifetime lacked. How many good teachers have you had in your life? The ones who changed you and influenced your education in a way that you still benefit from to this day. I can name maybe 4 but that's including a kindergarten teacher who taught me the value of being a good human being which i guess counts but that's not really what I'm talking about here ( still major kudos to her), not the teachers who was like a friend, i think you get what i mean. I think if you ask most people 3 will be an average or even high number when you minus the cool/nice teachers.
I'm not clever enough to think of the middle ground to this problem but it should probably start with raising the standards for teaching. Obviously there should be a lot more to it than that but that's something that that needs to be addressed and it will never be addressed as long as teachers unions exist. They will make sure of that.
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I don't know if raising the standard for teaching is a great idea, considering the really poor teacher/student ratio we are already working with.
The way I see it, the big problem with education in our country is that it's just not worth it for people to pursue the career unless they have some emotional attachment to it. If you really want teachers to be better, then you need to make it an attractive career option for bright and talented people. Otherwise, they're going to pursue their fortunes in the stock market and such.
But, I guess that raising standards could work if you decided to raise salaries as well. And give teachers an opportunity to climb some sort of ladder based on their achievements in teaching. That sort of thing might work.
I think I've mentioned in this thread that one of the biggest reasons for the huge discrepancy in the quality of public schools throughout America is the way that we handle our property taxes. Rich neighborhoods have the best public schools and attract the best teachers from around the country because they also get the most funding.
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I think I've mentioned in this thread that one of the biggest reasons for the huge discrepancy in the quality of public schools throughout America is the way that we handle our property taxes. Rich neighborhoods have the best public schools and attract the best teachers from around the country because they also get the most funding.
I'm sure you're right that it's part of the problem, but it's the opposite over here (worse schools get waayyy more money form the government) and we still have the same kind of huge discrepancies (although maybe not quite as extreme).
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Why is it that so many Texas politicians make me ashamed to say that's my native state?
…. DON'T ANSWER ME!!! That was rhetorical!Someone shut them up
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I'm sure you're right that it's part of the problem, but it's the opposite over here (worse schools get waayyy more money form the government) and we still have the same kind of huge discrepancies (although maybe not quite as extreme).
Inefficiency is definitely part of the problem, so just throwing money at the schools that are doing poorly is probably not the best way to remedy things. Taking money away from underachieving schools is not going to fix anything, though, and that's basically what we currently do in America.
If your governments are at least getting the funding right, then it sounds to me like the next thing needed is a proper merit based pay plan or career ladder (a raising of standards, as Tag put it). That way, better teachers will make it to the places where they are most needed.
But you're never going to get better teachers until you somehow make the career more lucrative for new talent.
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While we argue on teacher's unions (please don't make me open another thread) these teachers invent a cool way to barricade their doors in case of a gun-toting intruder:
http://myfox8.com/2014/06/10/this-teachers-invention-could-save-your-childs-life/ -
Inefficiency is definitely part of the problem, so just throwing money at the schools that are doing poorly is probably not the best way to remedy things. Taking money away from underachieving schools is not going to fix anything, though, and that's basically what we currently do in America.
If your governments are at least getting the funding right, then it sounds to me like the next thing needed is a proper merit based pay plan or career ladder (a raising of standards, as Tag put it). That way, better teachers will make it to the places where they are most needed.
But you're never going to get better teachers until you somehow make the career more lucrative for new talent.
Except we have some good teachers now and the pay is still low. I never implied or stated that raising stands was the only remedy. I pretty much said that should be the start. But really it's not that hard to be a teacher and a lot of people use it as a fall back career. They should probably raise standards and pay at the same otherwise you'll have the same deadbeats just getting paid more to be deadbeats and more deadbeats trying to teach because it pays better. Pay is important but teaching isn't the career you should want if you want to live the high life. At most it should be slightly better than a policeman or fireman salary and have the same benefits. It's a public service job.
I don't think we'll need to make another thread for this.
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OK, well, I've had my own students tell me that I would be an amazing teacher, but the main reason why I would probably never pursue the career (even though I totally see the value of the public service) is because the pay is simply too low. Most places in the US, you really can't make a good living as a teacher, not nearly as good as an engineer, for example. It actually is a career that I've considered, and have decided against. And I've met others like me who chose similarly.
I just don't think you're going to get the best and brightest minds into the teaching biz unless you make it something worth their while. If they have any sort of vague interest in something else (engineering, finance, etc.), then they will tend to flock towards those sectors because they are just so much more lucrative.
Yeah, I really do think that teachers should be getting paid as much as engineers.
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If you don't want to teach then you shouldn't be a teacher. If your main incentive to teach is the pay then you shouldn't be a teacher. There's no data anywhere that proves that increasing pay will increase the quality of teachers. Even in countries with far better education systems the teachers make comparably equal or less than teachers in the US especially when you factor in cost of living. So there is no evidence that supports your theory. But there is clear evidence that raising the standards of teachers leads to better a education for the students. Teacher pay in the US is not a huge problem. You start at around 40-45K which isn't bad and you work your way up. On that salary with planning and a partner who makes just as much as you you can easily afford a nice home in a burb somewhere.
If you are the type of person who has a choice between engineering and teaching and you choose the former because I don't think you would be an amazing teacher. Teaching requires passion. You can't be passionate about something if you're hoping for something better. You sound like you'll make an fine engineer though.
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Well, you both agree both standards and pay should be raised. There's a difference of opinion on how much the pay should be raised but that's really saying something.
You all are pretty much on common ground here so…maybe raising standards and pay is the answer? If pay needs to be raised more they can do that over the course of a teacher's career but pay can also start higher than what it is now. My mom has been a High School science teacher for years and I don't think she makes much more than 40k. If that, but I'm not sure.
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Everything a person could do requires passion if it is to be done well for an extended period of time. Even engineering. Tag and I don't really see eye to eye on some things, I've noticed.
Can someone have multiple passions? I think, yes. In fact, I think the best and brightest usually have many passions/interests in life. All I'm saying is that if you want to attract more high quality people to the teaching business, then a really good way to do so would be to simply offer them more money.
Once you've got a more competitive job market for good, bright, invested teachers, then I think it would be quite easy to make the system better. Hell, I think just the influx of these types of people will probably make the system better simply for having them involved.
Is it really that hard to believe that there are people out there who are currently engineers, doctors, executives, etc. that might have become (excellent) teachers instead if they had been given more of an opportunity?
edit: And who said that I didn't want to teach? I love teaching. But I also love having a solid income and good job security.
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Education, Schmeducation. You won't get the best and brightest minds into any field that the best and brightest minds don't want to go into to begin with. After all, they are the best and brightest minds-they don't necessarily subscribe to the same value sets as the bulk of humanity, probably because they are not the bulk of humanity. I say, raise the standards, then after two years, raise the pay. But I personally don't expect even that will be enough by itself.
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Cantor is going to resign from his position as House Majority Leader at the end of July but the position isn't tied to his seat in any way. The party with the largest number of seats chooses the Majority Leader via secret ballot after the start of a term. Plus there is a Democrat running in November so he's not necessarily guaranteed to win; it's a Republican district but not so large a margin that an R will automatically guarantee a win regardless of candidate.
This primary will definitely have a major effect on the remaining GOP primary races this year though since Brat ran against immigration reform. Cantor wasn't even a big supporter of that so much as he just expressed some openness to maybe considering it at some unspecified future date. So you're going to see a lot of Republicans shift towards the "The only acceptable immigration policy is 'Deport the (Latino-centric ethnic slur of your preference)!'" of the spectrum to try and avoid being upset by a Tea Party challenger like Cantor was.
What I found funny about the media circling the wagons over Cantor ' s defeat is that some people insist Cantor loss because of his "alleged" support for immigration reform yet last night on Rachel Maddow ' s show she showed some polls that showed that many people in Cantor ' s district actually support immigration reform or say that passing reform is a pretty big deal
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What I found funny about the media circling the wagons over Cantor ' s defeat is that some people insist Cantor loss because of his "alleged" support for immigration reform yet last night on Rachel Maddow ' s show she showed some polls that showed that many people in Cantor' s district actually support immigration reform or say that passing reform is a pretty big deal
Keep in mind that primaries tend to be dominated by the more extreme elements of the party. While a majority of the people in the district might be closer to Cantor's position on immigration, that doesn't mean that the average primary voter was.
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http://wtvr.com/2014/06/12/polling-numbers-show-president-obama-now-as-unpopular-as-bush/ lookey here Arlong Parkers, your leader is now as unpopular as Bush
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@joekido:
http://wtvr.com/2014/06/12/polling-numbers-show-president-obama-now-as-unpopular-as-bush/ lookey here Arlong Parkers, your leader is now as unpopular as Bush
For a second there i thought you were talking about Robby, Foolio or Brennen.exe D: (wait, do AP has a leader? How does this works? do i have to harvest wheat for the motherland?)
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How the hell is no one talking about the fact that Iraq has just virtually half fallen in control of Sunni extremists who are intent on uniting their controlled areas of Syria and Iraq. That these same extremists are taking city after city and are marching on Baghdad. That the Iraqi government army has been collapsing. That Iran has sent special forces to Baghdad. That the US might provide air strikes to help. That the Kurds have essentially annexed Kirkuk and are in the best position for independence they've ever had.
Basically that Iraq is looking to split into three or so countries right now.No one is talking about this.
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@joekido:
http://wtvr.com/2014/06/12/polling-numbers-show-president-obama-now-as-unpopular-as-bush/ lookey here Arlong Parkers, your leader is now as unpopular as Bush
Don't look at me, I voted for Kodos.
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I knew that a major city in Iraq (Mosul) fell to extremists a few days ago and the security forces were chased out and civilians forced to flee, but I didn't read further up on it. I had no idea the situation had deteriorated so much from there. I thought the Iraqi government would respond and drive them out but apparently I was wrong.
U.S. is also doing approved airstrikes on the Taliban in Pakistan with express permission from the government. That's a first. This is all in response to an attack on a major airport in Pakistan.
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@Monkey:
How the hell is no one talking about the fact that Iraq has just virtually half fallen in control of Sunni extremists who are intent on uniting their controlled areas of Syria and Iraq. That these same extremists are taking city after city and are marching on Baghdad. That the Iraqi government army has been collapsing. That Iran has sent special forces to Baghdad. That the US might provide air strikes to help. That the Kurds have essentially annexed Kirkuk and are in the best position for independence they've ever had.
Basically that Iraq is looking to split into three or so countries right now.No one is talking about this.
???All I've heard is that a former Al Qaeda associate group took Mosul and Tikrit.
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@Monkey:
How the hell is no one talking about the fact that Iraq has just virtually half fallen in control of Sunni extremists who are intent on uniting their controlled areas of Syria and Iraq. That these same extremists are taking city after city and are marching on Baghdad. That the Iraqi government army has been collapsing. That Iran has sent special forces to Baghdad. That the US might provide air strikes to help. That the Kurds have essentially annexed Kirkuk and are in the best position for independence they've ever had.
Basically that Iraq is looking to split into three or so countries right now.No one is talking about this.
???I don't mean to be fucked up but I am surprised it happened faster than it did. I mean, the U.S. got rid of Saddam, who was keeping things together in his own, brutal, fucked up way and supposedly opposed al Queda, got in a war against al Queda in Iraq because Saddam is gone, create a poor government and even poorer army to protect its country, and now that we left it so the extremists are taking over because there isn't a strong central power to repel it.
Everything that is happening now is the classic definition of a power vacuum, where you get rid of the established power but fail to fill that giant hole and as a result, all the crazies come out and think they can be that new established power and will do anything to make that happen.