Yeah…I'm on board with DD being Pika swapped.
One Piece Chapter 743 - Turbulent Dressrosa
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If Doflamingo can reattach body parts as your alluding to, haki wouldn't make a difference.
Haki would bypass Doflamingo's devil fruit power.
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Everyone seems to be assuming that Law saved Doflamingo, but aren't we underestimating him a bit here?
The more likely scenario is that Law knew Doflamingo wasn't truly endanged by Kyros, and that he'd counterattack and kill him immediately after dodging that slash. By cutting his head off, Law would be disorienting Dofla long enough to prevent him from hurting Kyros.
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I think it's easier than that.
In the few seconds that it takes before Kyros arrived, Law decided to save DoFla (maybe with a short conversation with DD).
Law activated room, and let Kyros do the cut (who said it must be Law's hand to control the knife/sword inside the "Room"?).
Question is: why? not sure.
What next: Law will release DoFla somewhere safe, either in a few seconds or a few days (a few chapter away, anyways).The non-killing cuts are a part of Law's ability. Only he should be able to do it as he is the operator. If that wasn't the case, we would have been shown a hint that all cuts work like that.
Else, everybody inside Room could also use Shambles and stuff.
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It seems like too much for an ability which shapes stones. Dofla also talked and changed facial expressions. There should be a limit to how rocks or stones can move. Maybe in Naruto you can create an identical clone from earth or stones, but it doesn't fit in well in OP.
What else could it be?
Second devil fruit, an artificial one maybe. Although I doubt it.Also, maybe Kyros just killed Kinemon, roflmao.
True but then again i can't go with the theory that law saved him i mean even if he had the ability to do isn't it too risky for dofa to go with law in this situation (sure they have unfinished business to do but in this situation it would be more logical for dofa to evade the attack)
The other theories like another devil fruit are even more absurd then the pica one. And dofa being a logia also doesn't fit in any way -
Maju, the walls possessed by Pica bend as they were made of flesh/jelly, you can see it in this chapter too.
Also notice that every report the real Dofla gets, he's shown in close up, without showing the room…if you want to stretch it a bit further, it seems he is in a room darker than the hall of suits.
I say that Dofla has been in another place all the time after Law's capture and Fujitora leaving the Royal Palace.Doflamingo spoke before getting cut. How would a string/stone clone be able to speak?
He was also sweaty.
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Wapol says hi.
This whole is arc is cluster fuck of Alabasta arc callbacks.didn't wapol have his head repaired after Dalton lobbed it clean off.
did he? oO I guess I'll have to re-read that..
@Razh:It seems like too much for an ability which shapes stones. Dofla also talked and changed facial expressions. There should be a limit to how rocks or stones can move. Maybe in Naruto you can create an identical clone from earth or stones, but it doesn't fit in well in OP.
What else could it be?
Second devil fruit, an artificial one maybe. Although I doubt it.Also, maybe Kyros just killed Kinemon, roflmao.
I thought of an artificial logia too
many people weren't really satisfied with trbol being one (including me) so maybe he experimented on them too
would be cool to see diamante getting cut in the next chapter too, just to make us realise they are all logia somehow, or usopp wondering how trebol could be a logia^^ -
Doflamingo spoke before getting cut. How would a string/stone clone be able to speak?
He was also sweaty.
Come on, man, rocks have feelings, too.
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Best part of the chapter was obviously the Gorilla toy
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@BAMSI:
man just tell me how law can chop doflamingo's head while he is tied by kairoseki?
man just wait for next week no one knows what happened
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CoC isn't a radar that's always on by default.
I've said this before but Otohime had some of the most powerful CoC in the series and couldn't sense to dodge a bullet to the heart despite dodging a bullet to the head with haki chapters earlier.Yeah but that is flashback, stairs kill you in flashback, atomic bomb cant do it in the present :P
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Btw if DD is confirmed dead, then I wonder how are they going to censor this in anime… ...because I have my doubts accepting him as dead despite I in chapter his head is clearly cleanly cut off, so what are they going to do in anime to ensure credibility of his death? Kyros using lethal poison darts?
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But there was no hint about Law changing mind. It would come off as an asspull considering it essentially contradicts everything we've seen so far about Law and Doula's relationship.
Not really. We still know very little of substance about the relationship.
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I apologize, but most of the theories presented here are ridiculous… :
Law saving Dofla: No… only if Oda wants to become a terrible writer.
Dofla making Law save him: Doesn't even make sense. We don't even know if Dofla can activate Law's powers for him. And the obvious reason that it's pointless among many other things mentioned by ppl that debunk this.
Logia: How? Again, makes no sense. Do people actually think he is a person made out of strings? … come on.
Rock clone: We know too little about Pica's fruit and I don't see how a clone would talk, and when the exchange could take place. Oda would need to come up with something outside the box. Probably better than the other theories, but I don't support it.I don't think it's related to either his own nor Law's not Pica's fruit. I don't have any idea of what it could be, but I think it's something we just haven't been introduced to yet. I think it's that simple. The theory that the real Dofla body is somewhere else would make sense, but if so, whatever/whomever was cut in this chapter is the product of some unknown factor we don't know about.
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Btw if DD is confirmed dead, then I wonder how are they going to censor this in anime… ...because I have my doubts accepting him as dead despite I in chapter his head is clearly cleanly cut off, so what are they going to do in anime to ensure credibility of his death? Kyros using lethal poison darts?
He'll just cut his hair and Doflamingo will die from the shock.
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yeah was it explicitly said that Law wants DD dead?
He won't confront them both just to end it with a drink…
And will anyone buy these?
Law: i prefer you suffer by being hunt and tortured by kaido rather than an easy death
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Law: if anyone would kill u in the future, that would be me and no one except meIm not sure.
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@Flipper:
What the actual fuck.
I am praying that Doflamingo is still alive, what about all the Luffy vs DD arguments how will we ever know.. Doflamingo better get up and put on a show. Otherwise this arc is over, fuck!
I would say well done Oda, for still making people believe someone will die like that, but I dont think it is you Oda sensei
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True but then again i can't go with the theory that law saved him i mean even if he had the ability to do isn't it too risky for dofa to go with law in this situation (sure they have unfinished business to do but in this situation it would be more logical for dofa to evade the attack)
The other theories like another devil fruit are even more absurd then the pica one. And dofa being a logia also doesn't fit in any wayDon't know what you mean with Dofla going with Law? As far as it has been shown, Dofla can control motor skills only, while his victims still know what's going on. He can't control people's devil fruit abilities since it's not mechanical, they use them with their own will.
Implying Dofla controled Law, as I've seen somewhere, I think, is just silly. Talk about a complicated way to "avoid" an attack, even if it was possible.
Law using his ability because he wants to save the killing of Dofla for himself or because he wants something else from Dofla is still a legitimate possibility. And it's not based on any hypothetical ability, like the stone clone thing. Therefore, I'm leaning more to Law. That is until I think of or read something that makes more sense.
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I dont think that it was stated in the manga that Law needs to be the one to swing the sword inside the room. It is stated in the manga that he can manipulate everything happening inside a room he creates. If inside this room someone swings a sword there is no fact in the manga, that says that the cut can not be manipulated by Law. Law just had to create the room and to his trick at the moment Kyros started the cut. The reality is, that Law saving Dofla for a reason he will explain is the most logical explanation. Every other explanation (Stone Clone from Pica, Dofla having his own clones, Sowing his head back on or having a logia) would be a greater leap of faith and would leave much more questions open. If it wasnt Law it surely wasnt any of the other explanations here in the forum. Buffalo and Baby 5 seem really shocked. So if Dofla did a trick it is a trick his nakama havent seen in the ten years or more they are with him.
I think Dofla was just overwhelmed with all his enemies of the past ten years appearing in his head at once and was lucky that he isnt dead.Law saving Doula would be an even greater leap of faith because:
1 - It requires Law to not be bound with seastone chains (illogical).
2 - It requires Law to abandon his entire characterization he showed during his fight with Doula. (contradicting)
3 - It requires nobody noticing that Law summoned a Room.
4 - It requires the fact that anybody inside Room can perform non-killing cuts, when this was never hinted and it doesn't really make sense as Law is the operator. He can't make other people operate for him.
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I apologize, but most of the theories presented here are ridiculous… :
Law saving Dofla: No… only if Oda wants to become a terrible writer.
Dofla making Law save him: Doesn't even make sense. We don't even know if Dofla can activate Law's powers for him. And the obvious reason that it's pointless among many other things mentioned by ppl that debunk this.
Logia: How? Again, makes no sense. Do people actually think he is a person made out of strings? … come on.
Rock clone: We know too little about Pica's fruit and I don't see how a clone would talk, and when the exchange could take place. Oda would need to come up with something outside the box. Probably better than the other theories, but I don't support it.I don't think it's related to either his own nor Law's not Pica's fruit. I don't have any idea of what it could be, but I think it's something we just haven't been introduced to yet. I think it's that simple. The theory that the real Dofla body is somewhere else would make sense, but if so, whatever/whomever was cut in this chapter is the product of some unknown factor we don't know about.
That's not simple at all and would be even worse writing than any of the other suggestions you've quoted.
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Also people need to stop with thinking it possible Dofla is dead. He's clearly not, regardless of whether you want him to be/ wish for Kyros to do it. It would be one of the most anti-climactic ends to a character and I would begin to hate Oda as a writer. People should realize by now this is your regular shonen-type progression of events. We need some misdirection for the protagonists.
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I apologize, but most of the theories presented here are ridiculous… :
Law saving Dofla: No… only if Oda wants to become a terrible writer.
Dofla making Law save him: Doesn't even make sense. We don't even know if Dofla can activate Law's powers for him. And the obvious reason that it's pointless among many other things mentioned by ppl that debunk this.
Logia: How? Again, makes no sense. Do people actually think he is a person made out of strings? … come on.
Rock clone: We know too little about Pica's fruit and I don't see how a clone would talk, and when the exchange could take place. Oda would need to come up with something outside the box. Probably better than the other theories, but I don't support it.I don't think it's related to either his own nor Law's not Pica's fruit. I don't have any idea of what it could be, but I think it's something we just haven't been introduced to yet. I think it's that simple. The theory that the real Dofla body is somewhere else would make sense, but if so, whatever/whomever was cut in this chapter is the product of some unknown factor we don't know about.
He could be able to make string clones or something, but I still stand by the idea that it's Law saving Kyros from Doflamingo's counterattack.
Kyros is strong, but we have no evidence of him beating DF users in the Colosseum. If Dofla was never truly in danger, then it makes sense that Law would sever Dofla's head to prevent him from killing Kyros.
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@Buggy's:
That's not simple at all and would be even worse writing than any of the other suggestions you've quoted.
How? I simply meant that Oda can make it anything else that makes sense. I didn't state any specific theories…
Why would introducing new things be bad writing? That's literally how a story is written. -
to be fair law's position may have been totally changed by some memories he acquired when sugar fruit's curse was broken.At the moment we don't know if law still thinks the same things as before.
that said,the problem with the thory about him saving dofla, is that
1)he is probabaly chained with kairoseki
2)he didn't had a sword with him
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It's good to see that my Pica clone theory is gaining steam. It's not Law. He's still tied up. So either it's a Doflamingo puppet and he'll reattach his head with string in the next chapter or the Pica clone theory. Pica mysteriously disappearing is foreshadowing he has something to do with this. All the other Doflamingo officers are in complete confusion. So instead of us getting a panel of Pica going "wtf?" like all the other officers are, he just completely vanishes while in the middle of a fight with Zoro.
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The problem is that there's a lot of inconsistences there if that was the case.
Why save Doula when earlier he was doing everything to kill him (with Kaidou serving as a backup plan)?
Laws plan was to take down emperor. One of steps was presumably making Doflamingo and Kaido clash so after Law was desperate to protect SH and make them escape with CC to Zou he dropped part of his plan and risked all to stall for SH to destroy factory ensuring Kaido and Joker will fight. With Joker dying in process. So with all chaos that SH caused Law somehow gotten back to his planthus saved Mingo to use him in a way. Yes, Law wanted Doflamingo dead and that was his biggest motivation but it wasnt sucide mission- it was even bigger plan.
As I wrote before Seastone doesnt taka away power of DF user, it renders them without any strength to try and get free. Robin on her way to Fishman Island used her fruit in direct contact with sea/seawater and she commented that it should be ok if its just for a moment. So it would be possible for Law to burst short "room" just in time to make Doflamingo head fall off. I know its not sure thing, but I try to explain myself how Joker could have survived this.
Last thing I would expect that Mingos body is like a puppet that reforms itself with strings, but nobody knows. Oda shown with last 2 chapters that he can be unpredictable as hell, like in old times. Zoros enemy escaping was also suprise for me, we are still probably like 2/3 though Dressrosa so lots to come and real fights will start soon enough.Who knows if they wont take it with themselves while escaping :ninja: It would be a nice hostage- a head of Doflamingo It would protect them only from Jokers man, but still.
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to be fair law's position may have been totally changed by some memories he acquired when sugar fruit's curse was broken.At the moment we don't know if law still thinks the same things as before.
that said,the problem with the thory about him saving dofla, is that
1)he is probabaly chained with kairoseki
2)he didn't had a sword with him
3)he may not have the time to free himself and then save dofla.Not sure how other arguments would have been explained, but it's not set in stone that he needs to cut with his own sword in order to achieve that effect. Maybe activating Room is all it takes and anyone being cut by anyone inside it won't die from dismembering.
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Everyone seems to be assuming that Law saved Doflamingo, but aren't we underestimating him a bit here?
The more likely scenario is that Law knew Doflamingo wasn't truly endanged by Kyros, and that he'd counterattack and kill him immediately after dodging that slash. By cutting his head off, Law would be disorienting Dofla long enough to prevent him from hurting Kyros.
If law could use his power all this time, why wouldn't he just swap his and dofla's heart.
While dofla's subs are still confuse and dofla still in chains, just grab a sword or something (i don't believe a fruit stick with weapon) and do the rest (ROOM) and all done.
And all that….. anyway, could only happen if he has enough strength to do so. And we know the sea stone weaken his devil fruit. I don't think even cutting dd's head is possible in that kind of situation. -
It's not Law. He's still tied up.
Law is a clever guy, he might have somehow unbound himself and been waiting for Luffy and co. to arrive before taking Doflamingo by surprise. Kyros attacked and put himself in danger, so Law had to blow his opportunity to attack Doflamingo and save Kyros instead.
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I doesnt make sense from your point of view. If every villain at every occasion did the smart thing they would never loose. Of course it would be pretty stupid to leave Law only half dead there without the handcuffs. If Doflamingo knew what we knew at this point in time. He doesnt. So i think it is not hard to believe that Dofla did not restrain him with the seastone handcuffs based on what he knew at that time. The only party that might be really interested in Law not escaping might be the marines.
I share your view that it would not have been smart of Dofla to not put Law in the Seacuffs. But from all the explanation and what we have seen in the manga, Dofla underestimating Law seems the least unbelievable explanation.So Doula traps Kyros, who is not a DF user, with seastone chains , but with Law, who is a DF-user, he uses regular chains.
Do you know how stupid you're making Doula look like?
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As I wrote before Seastone doesnt taka away power of DF user, it renders them without any strength to try and get free. Robin on her way to Fishman Island used her fruit in direct contact with sea/seawater and she commented that it should be ok if its just for a moment. So it would be possible for Law to burst short "room" just in time to make Doflamingo head fall off. I know its not sure thing, but I try to explain myself how Joker could have survived this.
Yeah, it's certainly within the frame of possibility.
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So Doula traps Kyros, who is not a DF user, with seastone chains , but with Law, who is a DF-user, he uses regular chains.
Do you know how stupid you're making Doula look like?
The (massive) difference being Law was already battered and defeated and posed no threat at all, Kyros was not.
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Well done, Oda… perfect way to get us moving quickly to a 100-page forum debate. Lol
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Law is a clever guy, he might have somehow unbound himself and been waiting for Luffy and co. to arrive before taking Doflamingo by surprise. Kyros attacked and put himself in danger, so Law had to blow his opportunity to attack Doflamingo and save Kyros instead.
Even if that's Law doing (and i don't think it was), Doflamingo would be dead if he didn't interfere.
Kyros wouldn't be the saved here.
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Doflamingo spoke before getting cut. How would a string/stone clone be able to speak?
He was also sweaty.
Page 15. No sweat
Here, page 16, before the head cut he's not sweating and are you sure that Dofla is speaking? Because the "you are" could be either Dofla or Riku or Kyros
And you can check, but no sweat after the head hits the floor.
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Another week another annoying day of reading about this guy named "Trevor."
Seriously, I am so OCD about this because I love words that are "fun to say." I keep wanting to read "Tre' Bol" in my head, but every time I see this "Trevor" it really throws me off.
Anyway, I am so happy everything is working out. I know this will draw me to tears when I see the English DVD version in 7 years or whenever time. Its so amazing to the extent of who was turned into a toy. You have angry gorillas, giraffes, elephants, snakes, etc, and they as well as all the humans are going to want Doflamingo's head. The Warlord is in real trouble.
I'm so happy for the dwarves. It was so good for them to witness this. Now I hope they don't blow it big time for the second time. I was honestly disappointed in them. I don't like it when characters I love disappoint me. It wasn't that they were naive, or stupid, or "have a way of doing things", its just how they expected NO retaliation, and blew their whole presence in front of Sugar, after everything that was built up for them previously about the "Fairies of Dressrosa." Princess Moi Cheri is probably going to make her official debut soon since I'm sure rescuing the rest of the Tontatta are going to be the Dwarves mission from here on out, perhaps with Franky, once he's recovered.
Everyone's regaining their memories, Sabo is being a badass, and then Koala shows her beautiful face. This whole chapter was just great.
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@Buggy's:
The (massive) difference being Law was already battered and defeated and posed no threat at all, Kyros was not.
That's not an excuse, though. You think Law would be battered and defeated forever?
Hell, he was battered and defeated back at Green Bit and posed no threat at all, but he still escaped from Fujitora. You really think Doula would commit the same mistake twice?
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Law is a clever guy, he might have somehow unbound himself and been waiting for Luffy and co. to arrive before taking Doflamingo by surprise. Kyros attacked and put himself in danger, so Law had to blow his opportunity to attack Doflamingo and save Kyros instead.
It being a Law is really reaching. Law has to do the cut himself with his sword. Kyros doing the chopping cut instead completely contradicts with what we've seen of Law's powers so far. Then there's other stuff like he's in chains (most likely seastone) and he hates Doflamingo guts. Allowing Doflamingo to survive a killshot won't be helping Kyros at all. Since all that's going to do is piss off Doflamingo even more. If he wanted to save Kyros he would transport King Riku and Kyros out of the room instead with his powers.
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He could be able to make string clones or something, but I still stand by the idea that it's Law saving Kyros from Doflamingo's counterattack.
Kyros is strong, but we have no evidence of him beating DF users in the Colosseum. If Dofla was never truly in danger, then it makes sense that Law would sever Dofla's head to prevent him from killing Kyros.
See, I'm not a fan of DF theories that involve abilities that are completely out of the realm of what we already know about the fruit. Sometimes it works (i.e. Brook) sometimes not (Viola). Unfortunately, b/c of fruits like the ones I put in parentheses, I can't disprove this.
Law saving KYROS by cutting Dofla is possible so I don't hate it. We'll see…
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Most people don't like any of the theories presented here. It's time to accept that we can't figure out what happened.
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10/10 probably the best Dressrosa chapter.
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Page 15. No sweat
http://i998.mangareader.net/one-piece/743/one-piece-4878091.jpgHere, page 16, before the head cut he's not sweating and are you sure that Dofla is speaking? Because the "you are" could be either Dofla or Riku or Kyros
http://i996.mangareader.net/one-piece/743/one-piece-4878093.jpgAnd you can check, but no sweat after the head hits the floor.
In the middle left pannel of page 16 he's sweating.
Also i think it's obvious he's the one saying "You're…!" the globe of text is inside his pannel, he has a face of surprise, er...
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Not sure how other arguments would have been explained, but it's not set in stone that he needs to cut with his own sword in order to achieve that effect. Maybe activating Room is all it takes and anyone being cut by anyone inside it won't die from dismembering.
I see it same way. Being in Room makes it impossible to die while being cut and not only cut from Law but all sorts of cutting.
Also now one thing hit me - ITS WEIRD - that when it was impossible for Doflamingo to dodge and he seen that maybe he himself at one moment cut off his own head and reatached it with strings at almost same time so Kyros blade had no contact with his neck?
Even though I take Law using Room for splitsecond as more likely its still possible that Mingo could have done some sort of cutting on himself and reataching his head.
Doflamingo was not afraid to take on Law who is super capable of slicing and dicing his enemies. Maybe we didnt seen that fight for a reason- even if Law cut him, he reatached himself back somehow. Also there was scene with Buffalo and Baby 5 when Mingo reatached their heads cut by Law in some way. So I would search some explanation there as well. Not only in Laws ability.
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Here, page 16, before the head cut he's not sweating and are you sure that Dofla is speaking? Because the "you are" could be either Dofla or Riku or Kyros
Hmm, a panel of Dofla having that realization effect and sweating at the same time, and the text cloud next to his face. I think it might be Dofla talking.
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That's not an excuse, though. You think Law would be battered and defeated forever?
Hell, he was battered and defeated back at Green Bit and still escaped from Fujitora. You really think Doula would commit the same mistake twice?
Yeah I think he would because I think mingo's arrogance will be his downfall. And looking at it, there's no real comparison between the battering Law took at Green Bit and the demolition job done on him in the town. He'd taken some damage in Green Bit but he was still up and fighting. In town he was a bloody, battered, unconscious mess.
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Well done, Oda… perfect way to get us moving quickly to a 100-page forum debate. Lol
yeah….just like the time when all the fighters on Block D were instantly knocked down by Cavendish.
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Exactly this. I think Dofla put him in seastone chains too. He clearly knew/was expecting Law waking up. I'm trying to think of a way Law could have made Dofla think he put him in seastone but I can't, and that would just be rehashing what he did at PH.
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That's not an excuse, though. You think Law would be battered and defeated forever?
Hell, he was battered and defeated back at Green Bit and posed no threat at all, but he still escaped from Fujitora. You really think Doula would commit the same mistake twice?
I have no doubt Dofla used sea stone chains, but that doesn't mean Law couldn't have found some way of getting his hands free. Law is the type of guy where just leaving him with his clothes on is a dangerous risk to take, since he always has something up his sleeve.
Anyway, Law saved Kyros from being killed by Dofla, that's what I'm sticking to right now and I don't see how it's any less logical than a stone clone or Law deciding Dofla should live.
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to be fair law's position may have been totally changed by some memories he acquired when sugar fruit's curse was broken.At the moment we don't know if law still thinks the same things as before.
that said,the problem with the thory about him saving dofla, is that
1)he is probabaly chained with kairoseki
2)he didn't had a sword with him
3)he may not have the time to free himself and then save dofla.I don't really think that Doflamingo requires saving against Kyros. I know that Kyros is hyped to be such a beast. But Doflamingo is Doflamingo.