what reasons have states split for in the past though? i don't recall any states wanting to split before because they were 'ungovernable'… I think republicans would fight this though, if it started to get taken seriously
West Virginia was the civil war with the Appalachian people not wanting to secede. So it took pretty damn extreme circumstances.
These days, I don't want to discount anything that could earn/save someone a few bucks. It might not be too farfetched to see california splitting into a north and a south in the future but idk. i dont really care, but it could turn into an interesting issue if cali's economic situation stays poor
what reasons have states split for in the past though? i don't recall any states wanting to split before because they were 'ungovernable'… I think republicans would fight this though, if it started to get taken seriously
There have been plenty of attempts over the years to split states based on internal differences but only West Virginia has managed to pull it off.
The most common reason has a lot to do with how state boundaries were laid out to begin with; in just about every state before Alaska and Hawaii, borders were designed so that lightly populated rural regions were connected with urban/more settled areas to get the numbers high enough to incorporate it as a state. That's why Midwestern states tend to be long rectangles that are wider than they are tall; eastern portions tended to be settled first with people slowly spreading west. As time went by, the cities dominate state politics more and more, which caused resentment on both sides. The cities held more power in determining policy but tend to subsidize rural areas because of the larger tax base. Illinois is a good example of this divide as there have been several attempts to split off Chicago from the rest of the state with proponents coming from either side. It hasn't happened though since Congress isn't interested in the fallout.
@Monkey:
West Virginia was the civil war with the Appalachian people not wanting to secede. So it took pretty damn extreme circumstances.
West Virginia was able to do it because of location; the rest of Appalachia would have went the same way if they could have. East Tennessee definitely would have stayed in the Union given the option.
They mentioned WV earlier, in the same post as the Carolinas.
Maybe it was the Dakotas Green_vs_Red had in mind?
Ah missed that mention.
I don't think so, I think the Dakotas was same as Carolinas. I don't the the Dakotas were ever one state, maybe one territory before statehood but not one state.
Ah missed that mention.
I don't think so, I think the Dakotas was same as Carolinas. I don't the the Dakotas were ever one state, maybe one territory before statehood but not one state.
Carolinas weren't so much a territory that got pared down as a colonial area that developed two different areas and wanted to split.
Idk if I should post this here, but um, do you guys think there's a chance that Ukraine could split into two countries? East and West Ukraine?
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Am I the only one who says "THE Ukraine"?
Yes, it's a name of a country and not of a conglomeration of smaller regions that has a common noun in it like the United States or the Nether_lands_.
It's ungrammatical unconventional usage in modern English, since the article was dropped after Ukraine declared independence and stopped being a part of the dismantled Soviet Union.
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It's
ungrammaticalunconventional usage in modern English, since the article was dropped after Ukraine declared independence and stopped being a part of the dismantled Soviet Union.
Oh.
Well that explains it, I still think of the country (and to some extent, the world) from that perspective LOL.
Idk if I should post this here, but um, do you guys think there's a chance that Ukraine could split into two countries? East and West Ukraine?
More like Crimea breaks away or joins Russia than the whole east/south.
@Monkey:
More like Crimea breaks away or joins Russia than the whole east/south.
I actually thought that Crimea would join Russia, and Ukraine would just split into two seperate East and West countries
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Not really a news article but the posts on this page have a news article:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-red-summer-of-1919-the-forgotten-race-war.190896/
Not really a news article but the posts on this page have a news article:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-red-summer-of-1919-the-forgotten-race-war.190896/
Forgive my ignorance, but all of the articles from this page are from 1919. How is this relevant?
Forgive my ignorance, but all of the articles from this page are from 1919. How is this relevant?
News is always relevant. It provides different perspective on things and is a nice compliment to the article above it about racial tensions.
News is always relevant.
Nope. It is not.
It provides different perspective on things and is a nice compliment to the article above it about racial tensions.
How? The link between race riots in Chicago nearly a century ago and oblivious racism (and institutional racism) on college campuses today is tenuous, at best.
Nope. It is not.
How? The link between race riots in Chicago nearly a century ago and oblivious racism (and institutional racism) on college campuses today is tenuous, at best.
I personally believe that all news is always relevant because it provides a look into the views and things that were happening at the time.
I also believe that this was a nice compliment because it shows two different things on to sides of a spectrum and you can sit and wonder how those tensions would have played out 100 years ago. It shows how far we've come. You don't like it, don't comment.
I think you got news and history mixed up.
I personally believe that all news is always relevant because it provides a look into the views and things that were happening at the time.
Yes. Then they become a part of documenting history. This is not the history thread.
I also believe that this was a nice compliment because it shows two different things on to sides of a spectrum and you can sit and wonder how those tensions would have played out 100 years ago. It shows how far we've come. You don't like it, don't comment.
Firstly, complement. I wouldn't usually call you out on that, but you've done it twice now, in two posts.
And it's not as if I don't like it. Racism is an important issue, I just don't want the focus of the discussion to shift to completely unrelated events a century ago. As for how far we've come, I don't think this was the intent of the original article at all. That was about looking ahead, at the problems still to be solved. Looking behind at how things were worse a century ago is not going to help with that.
Yes. Then they become a part of documenting history. This is not the history thread.
Firstly, complement. I wouldn't usually call you out on that, but you've done it twice now, in two posts.
And it's not as if I don't like it. Racism is an important issue, I just don't want the focus of the discussion to shift to completely unrelated events a century ago. As for how far we've come, I don't think this was the intent of the original article at all. That was about looking ahead, at the problems still to be solved. Looking behind at how things were worse a century ago is not going to help with that.
Looking at history and past struggles can give motivations to people in the present so yes it's always relevant. And also would you mind pointing me towards the history thread?
I did not know that their was one so I saw news article and said why not.
And despite you not believing that it's a nice compliment I do. Seeing how racial tensions were handled and what came of them then compared to now can provide for interesting discussion.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/founder-of-liberation-theology-hailed-at-vatican
The times, they are a-changin'.
Complicating things since 2009.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/founder-of-liberation-theology-hailed-at-vatican
The times, they are a-changin'.
Ex-Pope Palpatine cries himself to bed every night because his replacement kicks his ass.
Still don't like him.
@Monkey:
Why on earth don't you like the new pope?
'm incredibly biased towards religious leader's. Good on him for improving everything about the Catholic Chruch and he's the best pope yet but my bias towards organized religion as a whole and my dislike of religious reform because I see it as a sort of retconning prevents me from liking him despite him being a good person. It's a flaw of mine.
Hey Arizona, Missouri wants in on the Gay Discrimination routine.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/missouri-religious-freedom-bill
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Hey Arizona, Missouri wants in on the Gay Discrimination routine.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/missouri-religious-freedom-bill
I propose a bill that would protect businesses who don't want to offer services to black people. Call it the "States' Freedom" bill.
Complicating things since 2009.
Looking at history and past struggles can give motivations to people in the present so yes it's always relevant. And also would you mind pointing me towards the history thread?
I did not know that their was one so I saw news article and said why not.
And despite you not believing that it's a nice compliment I do. Seeing how racial tensions were handled and what came of them then compared to now can provide for interesting discussion.
I guess as an aside to the stuff maybe, but I think most of us are here for the discussion of news items that are incredibly recent. During a discussion for example it would be more appropriate to bring up news articles from the past for context, but I doubt that most would find it particularly relevant to the thread otherwise.
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States' rights, you say?
Yeah but if he did that then Fox News would instead say that Lincoln "bought the most slaves in history."
smh
'm incredibly biased towards religious leader's. Good on him for improving everything about the Catholic Chruch and he's the best pope yet but my bias towards organized religion as a whole and my dislike of religious reform because I see it as a sort of retconning prevents me from liking him despite him being a good person. It's a flaw of mine.
when you spend your birthday dinner with a bunch of homeless dudes, maybe i'll think about agreeing w you
 
Catholic religious leader in 'actually behaves like a Christian is supposed to' shocker.
The organisation may have its problems but this Pope is definitely doing a lot of good in a lot of places. Did you hear how he fired a greedy German bishop who had built himself an expensive mansion with church money?
States' rights, you say?
Slavery was dying a natural death, which is why half the country seceded to preserve it.
And how dare Lincoln not do anything to help the slaves that suddenly became property of what was technically a foreign country not a week before his inauguration.
And slavery was not the reason for secession, no matter what the actual declarations of secession and the CONFEDERATE VICE-PRESIDENT said. Or what the Confederate constitution said.
And South Carolina didn't fire on Ft. Sumter, Ft. Sumter just happened to be in the line of fire of South Carolina's cannons.
States' rights, you say?
"The South was so committed to slavery, Lincoln didn't die of natural causes."
Win.
The South greatly respected states' rights.
Except for when slaves escaped. Then the Northern states had to use all their time and resources to find them and force them back south.
I don't like the New Pope either LOL.
I once spent hours writing the reasons why in this very thread, it ruined my school performance the next day, but I never posted it because I knew that everyone would hate me for it.
Another reason to not like him.
States' rights, you say?
Okay that's enough internet for me today.
when you spend your birthday dinner with a bunch of homeless dudes, maybe i'll think about agreeing w you
I don't like religious leaders. I have no problem with religious people it's just the leaders I have a problem with. I'm not asking you to agree with me i'm just saying why I don't like him (that isnt even all of it).
@Cyan:
The South greatly respected states' rights.
Except for when slaves escaped. Then the Northern states had to use all their time and resources to find them and force them back south.
The Deep South was basically a giant whiny baby that was totally cool with the Union and everything about it up until the point where it realized that the spread of the US west wasn't going to keep adding slave states, and that they were going to be outnumbered in votes by people who thought buying and selling human beings was bad.
Their solution to this issue was to secede.
But they also optioned conquering Central America and turning the territory into more slave states. Something that they were still thinking of even after secession.
I'm not really sure why, aside from absolute idiocy and general sociopathy that comes with the territory, that libertarians want to take a bunch of aristocratic fops who lorded over a caste system that resembled feudalism and owned literal people's lives…and turn them into rugged individualist anti-authoritarian heroes.
Why are libertarians so fucking dumb.
@Monkey:
Why are libertarians so fucking dumb.
Yeah that's what I wonder myself,
but a lot of libertarians are just close enough to other schools of thought that you can kind of nudge them over the edge into something that isn't dumb.
@Cyan:
Interestingly, the CSA wanted the Postal Service to pay for itself. I'm guessing that would have reduced the government meddling that has brought the USPS on its knees. The CSA constitution is also surprisingly explicit in providing against money meddling with the legislative process, which is one of the biggest problems with the US government today, IMO.
But it also basically entrenches the system of slavery into the ethos of the nation, so much so that it would practically be unconstitutional if some future Confederate president wanted to outlaw the practice.
So yeah, overall, the CSA constitution gets +2 points over the USA constitution and -10000000000000000000000000000000000000 points. Someone do the math here.
Interestingly, the CSA wanted the Postal Service to pay for itself. I'm guessing that would have reduced the government meddling that has brought the USPS on its knees. The CSA constitution is also surprisingly explicit in providing against money meddling with the legislative process, which is one of the biggest problems with the US government today, IMO.
But it also basically entrenches the system of slavery into the ethos of the nation, so much so that it would practically be unconstitutional if some future Confederate president wanted to outlaw the practice.
So yeah, overall, the CSA constitution gets +2 points over the USA constitution and -10000000000000000000000000000000000000 points. Someone do the math here.
To be fair the USPS is an independent government agency and is not (directly) funded by tax money. Doesn't stop things from going wrong.
Culture Wars
Episode VI
Texas renamed to Austin.
Debate currently raging as to whether the abbreviation should be AU, AS, AT, or AN.
I just want to take this opportunity to point out that something else good happened on the queer front. The largely conservative-backed referendum to repeal the California bill that's going to secure certain rights for transgender students in schools (such as using the bathroom and other facilities that are in line with their gender identity), thankfully failed to make the November ballot:
[](http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/02/24/effort-to-repeal-california-transgender-rights-bill-fails-to-make-november-ballot/) [http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/02/24/effort-to-repeal-california-transgender-rights-bill-fails-to-make-november-ballot/](http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/02/24/effort-to-repeal-california-transgender-rights-bill-fails-to-make-november-ballot/)
[http://www.cbs8.com/story/24812203/transgender-activists-claim-victory-celebrate-in-the-streets](http://www.cbs8.com/story/24812203/transgender-activists-claim-victory-celebrate-in-the-streets)Oh man I have to go check my Facebook friend posts right now haha
 
Oh man I have to go check my Facebook friend posts right now haha
bring us back some juicy goodies :3
Nobody on my Facebook cares except SuNa, who's Canadian :Y
I'm sure my ol man might have a thing to say but I haven't friended him yet
Edit: everyone on my fb seems pretty happy tbh.
Live footage from Texas:
Interestingly, the CSA wanted the Postal Service to pay for itself. I'm guessing that would have reduced the government meddling that has brought the USPS on its knees.
The USPS already more or less pays for itself and is currently one foot in the graveyard because of it.