I think Jesus Burger will get the fruit.
Koala is in the attendance for a reason, she will witness Sabo being defeated. They already know that BB is a real threat but from now on, even the revolutionaries will fear BB's crew.
How I see the tournament: Barto will be defeated first, maybe trying to protect Rebecca. Then Rebecca (story wise she doesn't need to win the tournament anymore now that Luffy is here to change the country). Then Sabo will defeat Diamante, putting the attendance in big shock. Then Burger will beat Sabo easily.
Chapter 736: " Executive Officer Diamante"
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Jesus Burger
lol Burger. Seriously though I just don't see Burgess getting the Mera Mera
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Yes, I am!!!
Luffy was outmatched by who? They both received an attack and stood up to keep on fighting, their wasn't an I punch you and you're out situation. I don't even know how can people think that Luffy was outmatched by Blackbeard in Impel Down.
Ok the man who destroyed ace, defeated maggelan and made havoc on marineford was just as strong as luffy pretimeskip, sounds right. Now explain me why luffy wasn't able to do anything on marineford if he was on blackbeard's level i really want to hear it.
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If Pre timeskip Luffy went against blackbeard, luffy would have gotten *****. Shanks got 3 scars from Blackbeard… Blackbeard beat Ace... He was able to counter Sengoku.. a fleet Admiral... No way luffy stood a change against him
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Doflamingo vs Sabo, please.
I wonder if Fujitora already left or is still in the mansion (or castle or whatever).
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I love that Diamanté's mic is basically a baby den den mushi on a stick
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Ok the man who destroyed ace, defeated maggelan and made havoc on marineford was just as strong as luffy pretimeskip, sounds right. Now explain me why luffy wasn't able to do anything on marineford if he was on blackbeard's level i really want to hear it.
Although I agree that Luffy was likely outmatched with Blackbeard back in Impel down (even without taking into consideration Luffy's condition after having gone through the entire depth of Impel down and back) - but still, it does seem somewhat unfair to compare Luffy's and Blackbeard's accomplishments at Marine Ford, as well as giving Blackbeard all the credit on defeating Maggelan.
It was mostly because Blackbeard had his entire new-jazzed-up crew that he was able to defeat the near dead Whitebeard that easily. And it was only until after he obtained WB's DF powers that he was able to cause such havoc.
And as for the Maggelan fight - we know nothing. May be Shilew's anti-venom innoculated them from further harm by Maggelan - may be not. May be Maggelan had another one of his stomach upsets midway through the fight - may be not. But yeah, with the way BB's DF power negates his opponent's DF powers, any match up between him and those who rely heavily on their DF powers (like Maggelan and Ace) will likely end in BB's win. :)
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PRE skip BB would tear Luffy apart bare handed if serious
But dunno why we are talking about it in the chapter thread
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Actually I can't think of a better place to talk about power levels.
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PRE skip BB would tear Luffy apart bare handed if serious
But dunno why we are talking about it in the chapter thread
pre-timeskip black beard would beat post-timeskip Luffy easily, let alone before
does he seem to forget he easily beat the shit out of Ace like he was nothing, and wasn't even trying to kill ace, and ace was seriously attempting to end his life
I mean seriously apparently pre timeskip Luffy was that far ahead of ace because Luffy blind sided him with an attack and it hurt him to which he atacks Luffy and Jinbei jumps says "We don't have time for this" and then conveniently adds "this man has the power to beat ace" but apparently that was Jinbei saying "This guys so far out of your fucking league it's not even funny"
so here we go shadowgreed
we have Black Beard
- scaring shanks, with shanks saying I was on guard and not underestimating him…. but apparently Luffy could do that to
- we have black beard kicking the shit out of ace like there's no tomorrow.... which alone should show you that your argument is stupid beyond belief unless your seriously under the impression Luffy > Ace
- Jinbei stoping Luffy mid fight and reminding him "he has the power to beat Black Beard"
- Taking a full on attack by White Beard the strongest character in the entire series thus far
- becoming a Yonko during the time skip
and why have you despite these facts think Luffy's his equal
because Luffy attacked him when he wasn't perpared and he said it hurt... REALLY!!!!! that's what makes you think there equal
and then to top it all of, I'll say it for a third time, Jinbei stops Luffy and tells him this man has the power to beat ace
you know the same ace who's second division captain of the white beard pirates, has the biggest bounty we know of, and was quite clearly stronger than Luffy, probably even now but "Nah guys luffy hit him and it hurt, no way he's stronger than him durrp"
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You can't disagree with the post above
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That wouldn't explain the wobbling floor.
Neither the change of size.
as i said i'm on the logia side here too, but i'm just saying paramecias dont work in a recognizable way, so i wouldnt count the posilbility for a paramecia out. i just pointed out that it isnt necessarily that obvious as moud said.
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da hell are you talking about? Haven't you been reading One piece all this time? Pirate king is whoever that finds one piece, Roger was called Pirate king cuz he found one piece(sailed to the end of the Grandline).
Ok, let's assume Luffy find One Piece and Dofla defeats all the other pirates in New World and becomes the only emperor there, with all of the pirates being part of his alliance. Who would be the real pirate king then?
I swear, it feels like discussing with kids sometimes. I thought Oda made a point how there's more than one way to become a Pirate King, since there are numerous different people who want to become one. And while some want to do it because it's a fun adventure and to prove themselves, others want to do it by conquest, deceipt, trickery and betrayal.
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Cement Cement no mi guys. Pica for logia!
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Where's the fun on killing a bunch of weaklings?
I suppose it could be fun if those weaklings betrayed your family and made you spend your childhood in poverty. Oda seems to be implying something like that, so far.
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PRE skip BB would tear Luffy apart bare handed if serious
But dunno why we are talking about it in the chapter thread
This and 16 characters.
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Ok the man who destroyed ace, defeated maggelan and made havoc on marineford was just as strong as luffy pretimeskip, sounds right. Now explain me why luffy wasn't able to do anything on marineford if he was on blackbeard's level i really want to hear it.
I think you are confused. Blackbeard never defeated Magellan. In fact Magelan curbstomped Blckbeard and his entire crew in one shot. It was the escaped prisoners who managed to beat Magellan
But yeah of course that Blackbeard was stronger the Luffy pre time skip
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I think you are confused. Blackbeard never defeated Magellan. In fact Magelan curbstomped Blckbeard and his entire crew in one shot. It was the escaped prisoners who managed to beat Magellan
But yeah of course that Blackbeard was stronger the Luffy pre time skip
was it ever mentioned (or shown) who beat Magellan?
I always though that it was implied that Shiliew defeated him…Anyway, I think it is quite clear Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy pre-timeskip and I dare to guess he still is.
First of all Blackbeard knew Haki and mentioned it to Luffy in Impel Down even though he didn't use it and my guess is that he could.
Secondly he indeed defeated Ace who was without a doubt stronger than Luffy.
Thirdly he give Shanks that scar.
And lastly, it is impossible to go from being on Luffys lvl and in 2 years become a Yonkou. It would require taking territory and rigorous training at the same time while Luffy focused solely on training for 2 years with probably one of the strongest characters in the series and isn't anywhere near Yonkou lvl and he has only scratched the surface concerning his Haki (Hodi fight, Rayleigh saying he will try to stomp in all the basics in 2 years). Luffy got the basics in 1,5 indeed but that only means that he only had half a year to hone his skills further.Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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Luffy actually cloned himself, he must have learned it over the timeskip.
I can't believe you missed it.
Cloning your self is a 4th type of haki luffy invented, and next chapter we will be introduced to fusion haki.
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I think you are confused. Blackbeard never defeated Magellan. In fact Magelan curbstomped Blckbeard and his entire crew in one shot. It was the escaped prisoners who managed to beat Magellan
But yeah of course that Blackbeard was stronger the Luffy pre time skip
It was never showed but i would say that magellan was defeated by blackbeard or someone from his crew
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Just because you can get 5 points doesn't mean that is a shitty game ahhhhh
Lol, I don't even have, or any means to get it. I played it on a friend's phone and it really wasn't fun.
And for the record I got 8.
Praise our king, First fist of the Sea, DonMarimo DoBuggino exploring Bonesbeard.
If someone seriously claimed that Whitebeard was running a vibrator business as his second job you'd ignore him as a troll.
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I always assumed that it was a group effort by the Blackbeard pirates on their way out.
I have a hard time imagining any of the escapees being able to take him down.
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was it ever mentioned (or shown) who beat Magellan?
I always though that it was implied that Shiliew defeated him….
It was never showed but i would say that magellan was defeated by blackbeard or someone from his crew
I think it was mentioned that the LEVEL 6 prisoners defeated him. I can't see either Blackbeard nor any of his crew being anywhere near powerful enough to defeat him. Their powers simply aren't suited to fight someone who has dozen of ways to poisoned them and who is still physically powerful enough to withstand the few hits they would manage before they suffocate/get poisoned,their hands get melted and so on
My guess is that a combo of level 6 prisoners took him down
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Blackbeard's vortex should, if he's ready for it, be able to absorb the poison no?
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I think it was mentioned that the LEVEL 6 prisoners defeated him. I can't see either Blackbeard nor any of his crew being anywhere near powerful enough to defeat him. Their powers simply aren't suited to fight someone who has dozen of ways to poisoned them and who is still physically powerful enough to withstand the few hits they would manage before they suffocate/get poisoned,their hands get melted and so on
My guess is that a combo of level 6 prisoners took him down
Just a note. But Blackbeard is, per definiton as their captain, stronger than the best of level 6.
If he wasn't, those disloyal asses he's got under him now would've overthrown him long ago.
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I know a lot of people are dismissing Rebecca in this round. Not sure if anyone mentioned this before, but it is undeniable that she could at least (vaguely) see/follow Hakuba's movement while Bartolomeo absolutely CAN'T, so in terms of speed and reflex, she actually had him beat.
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Just a note. But Blackbeard is, per definiton as their captain, stronger than the best of level 6.
I assumed they meant the level 6 prisoners who escaped without joining Blackbeard.
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Geez, why all the philosophy? Isn't the most simple solution that BB pirates, with the help of Shillew, who knew in and out of Impel Down, surprised Magellan and beat the shit out of him before he could have reacted? Or maybe didn't even touch him, but shot him couple of times, like they did with WB.
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Just a note. But Blackbeard is, per definiton as their captain, stronger than the best of level 6.
If he wasn't, those disloyal asses he's got under him now would've overthrown him long ago.
You should talk about it with Buggy
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I assumed they meant the level 6 prisoners who escaped without joining Blackbeard.
Well wouldn't those be the losers? As i recall Blacky had the level 6 convicts fight. And whoever won their respective cage he took with him.
Or are people suggesting that there were others even stronger, who refused to join him, who he just let out for fun?
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@Mex:
You should talk about it with Buggy
Blackbeards guys have repeatedly suggested that they should be leader instead.
While Buggy's guys worship him like a god. See the difference?
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PRE skip BB would tear Luffy apart bare handed if serious
But dunno why we are talking about it in the chapter thread
I would imagine BB would crush Luffy without his DF pre-timeskip, let alone when you add such a powerful devil fruit to his arsenal.
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I think it was mentioned that the LEVEL 6 prisoners defeated him. I can't see either Blackbeard nor any of his crew being anywhere near powerful enough to defeat him. Their powers simply aren't suited to fight someone who has dozen of ways to poisoned them and who is still physically powerful enough to withstand the few hits they would manage before they suffocate/get poisoned,their hands get melted and so on
My guess is that a combo of level 6 prisoners took him down
That could very well be so but Shiliew was mentioned to be on par with Magellan and when Shiliew got the antidote for Magellans poison the fight might have turned out quite differently. Also, the BB pirates were caught by surprise by Magellans attack. That won't happen twice either.
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Well wouldn't those be the losers? As i recall Blacky had the level 6 convicts fight. And whoever won their respective cage he took with him.
Or are people suggesting that there were others even stronger, who refused to join him, who he just let out for fun?
We don't know that they're the losers, although such a thing seems likely; they might have refused to participate, or they might indeed have just refused to join him. Regardless, Blackbeard might not have intentionally let them out, but after Luffy and Blackbeard came through (and while they were still rampaging around the upper levels) they might have had an opportunity to escape.
We know some level 6 prisoners escaped, and seemingly not just those with Blackbeard from what Jean Ango said. We don't, however, know much of anything else about them, so we're left with speculation. My guess would be that Blackbeard probably got most or all of the strongest, but we really don't know yet: people have also speculated that the seventh shichibukai might have been locked in Impel Down until the breakout.
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Blackbeard's vortex should, if he's ready for it, be able to absorb the poison no?
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Just a note. But Blackbeard is, per definiton as their captain, stronger than the best of level 6.
If he wasn't, those disloyal asses he's got under him now would've overthrown him long ago.
That's not how power works in the One Piece universe. You never really know how someone's powers can fare against someone else. We already saw that Blackbeard and his entire crew can be taken out by just regular basic attck from Magelan. Even if Blackbeard manages a few tricks with his vortex it's very unlikely that it will be enough.
It's more likely that either someone had abilities that were capable of taking down Magelan(for example it's likely that Sanjuan Wolf is big enough to beat Magelan before he gets poisoned enough to affect him and so on)
That could very well be so but Shiliew was mentioned to be on par with Magellan and when Shiliew got the antidote for Magellans poison the fight might have turned out quite differently. Also, the BB pirates were caught by surprise by Magellans attack. That won't happen twice either.
Antidote is not a vaccine. It won't help them against getting poisoned again. And they weren't really surprised. They were not chatting with some friend who suddenly attacked them. They knew they were about to get into a fight and still a basic Magelan attack took them down. They just don't have the proper abilities to deal with someone like Magelan. Especially in a confined space. I
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Since Doflamingo was a former tenryuubito, could his crew be his former slaves he himself made free? It would explain the young master thing and why almost everyone has a devil fruit (since slaves were forced to eat them for purposes of entertainment (hancock and her sisters))
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That's not how power works in the One Piece universe.
The captain being the strongest is a well-established staple of OP.
And in a power hungry crew like Teach's it's even more neccesary.
You never really know how someone's powers can fare against someone else. We already saw that Blackbeard and his entire crew can be taken out by just regular basic attck from Magelan. Even if Blackbeard manages a few tricks with his vortex it's very unlikely that it will be enough.
It's more likely that either someone had abilities that were capable of taking down Magelan(for example it's likely that Sanjuan Wolf is big enough to beat Magelan before he gets poisoned enough to affect him and so on)
It's not very unlikely though. I mean to most people i'd think they see that and think Blackbeard's gang probably beat him up.
Not that some here to unseen super monster from level 6 jumped out and did their dirty work for 'em.
Simplest explanation is really they pounded him, took some more antidote and went on their merry way.
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Oh lookie there, i see another Swede. With a way gloomy name.
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That's a brilliant idea I hadn't seen suggested before. Makes sense I suppose, maybe treating his crew as people is what actually ended up getting him kicked out of the CD's in the first place….
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Ok the man who destroyed ace, defeated maggelan and made havoc on marineford was just as strong as luffy pretimeskip, sounds right. Now explain me why luffy wasn't able to do anything on marineford if he was on blackbeard's level i really want to hear it.
Blackbeard defeated Ace, a guy who always uses his Devil Fruit powers and for what we know he took heavy damage due to Blackbeard's punch and was completely confused afterwards while Luffy took damage and inflicted damage because he's a brawler no an elemental fighter, no saying Ace didn't inflict damage but If he kept attacking BB with his Devil Fruit there's no much he can do against him since he can suck it all in. Blackbeard didn't defeat Magellan, Magellan defeat every single member of BB's pirate crew but Shelew saved them later on and now that they had intel on him plus the level 6 guys, so they took him down (All of them, no Blackbeard alone) and Luffy made havoc in Marine Ford for a guy who went from Sabody to Amazon Lily to Impel Down to Marine Ford that's pretty impressive, blackbeard got kicked around, gang banged on a sick old man and got his hand on the Gura 2x, that when he stepped away from Luffy.
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@krule274:
Lol, I don't even have, or any means to get it. I played it on a friend's phone and it really wasn't fun.
And for the record I got 8.
So that was the reason!!! How many times did you tried before giving up?
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So that was the reason!!! How many times did you tried before giving up?
Like 4. Mobile games rarely peak my interest. I have a gaming computer, so I'm kinda snobby when it comes to just about anything else.
Praise our king, First fist of the Sea, DonMarimo DoBuggino exploring Bonesbeard.
If someone seriously claimed that Whitebeard was running a vibrator business as his second job you'd ignore him as a troll.
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pre-timeskip black beard would beat post-timeskip Luffy easily, let alone before
does he seem to forget he easily beat the shit out of Ace like he was nothing, and wasn't even trying to kill ace, and ace was seriously attempting to end his life
I mean seriously apparently pre timeskip Luffy was that far ahead of ace because Luffy blind sided him with an attack and it hurt him to which he atacks Luffy and Jinbei jumps says "We don't have time for this" and then conveniently adds "this man has the power to beat ace" but apparently that was Jinbei saying "This guys so far out of your fucking league it's not even funny"
so here we go shadowgreed
we have Black Beard
- scaring shanks, with shanks saying I was on guard and not underestimating him…. but apparently Luffy could do that to
- we have black beard kicking the shit out of ace like there's no tomorrow.... which alone should show you that your argument is stupid beyond belief unless your seriously under the impression Luffy > Ace
- Jinbei stoping Luffy mid fight and reminding him "he has the power to beat Black Beard"
- Taking a full on attack by White Beard the strongest character in the entire series thus far
- becoming a Yonko during the time skip
and why have you despite these facts think Luffy's his equal
because Luffy attacked him when he wasn't perpared and he said it hurt... REALLY!!!!! that's what makes you think there equal
and then to top it all of, I'll say it for a third time, Jinbei stops Luffy and tells him this man has the power to beat ace
you know the same ace who's second division captain of the white beard pirates, has the biggest bounty we know of, and was quite clearly stronger than Luffy, probably even now but "Nah guys luffy hit him and it hurt, no way he's stronger than him durrp"
He got Shanks long ago. What Shanks what trying to say to Whitebeard is that he was hiding his real potential all this years and he should be warry of such a man.
Ace isn't use to fight close-range combat nor taking hit. Two things Luffy is use to.
Blackbeard took one attack from the dying Whitebeard. One-shot are incredibly rare in this manga.
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Blackbeards guys have repeatedly suggested that they should be leader instead.
While Buggy's guys worship him like a god. See the difference?Yes, Buggy uses cunning, charisma and fame, BB his df power.
Still Buggy is a captain and is not the strongest.
BB was still captain not being th strongest… As you say.So, the role of captain does not make you the strongest of the crew, most of the times the strongest is actually the captain but that's not a "must".
Example: If you save the life of someone much stronger than you and he decides to give his life to you and joins your crew you would still be the captain not being the strongest.
That's the point.The End.
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The captain being the strongest is a well-established staple of OP.
And in a power hungry crew like Teach's it's even more neccesary.
It's not very unlikely though. I mean to most people i'd think they see that and think Blackbeard's gang probably beat him up.
Not that some here to unseen super monster from level 6 jumped out and did their dirty work for 'em.
Simplest explanation is really they pounded him, took some more antidote and went on their merry way.
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Oh lookie there, i see another Swede. With a way gloomy name.
Again you are confused . Power is not so straightforward in the One Piece universe. You never know how someone will respond to something. Look at Perona. Her attack managed to temporarily take out the Beast Trio but could do nothing against Usopp
Not really. I think only those who are fans of Blackbeard. I am guessing most neutral people assume the obvious. Mass prison riot , hordes of powerful prisoners ganging up and taking down Magelan(basically what happened with Kuma but in just a few hours)
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Grey Terminal stuff, of course. He steals from the poor and gives to the filthy.
This made me laugh too loud..
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@Mex:
Yes, Buggy uses cunning, charisma and fame, BB his df power.
Still Buggy is a captain and is not the strongest.
BB was still captain not being th strongest… As you say.So, the role of captain does not make you the strongest of the crew, most of the times the strongest is actually the captain but that's not a "must".
Example: If you save the life of someone much stronger than you and he decides to give his life to you and joins your crew you would still be the captain not being the strongest.
That's the point.The End.
So outside of Buggy, name one crew that has a captain that's weaker than his subordinates?
Heck in Buggy's case his subordinates even believe that they are weaker than him.
They follow him because they think he's a hugely powerful pirate, and that he's the one protecting them.
So please, just one crew where the crew knows that the leader is weaker and they still follow him.
Again you are confused . Power is not so straightforward in the One Piece universe. You never know how someone will respond to something. Look at Perona. Her attack managed to temporarily take out the Beast Trio but could do nothing against Usopp
And yet there is a hierarchy of power within both the Strawhats and the Moria pirates.
Not really. I think only those who are fans of Blackbeard. I am guessing most neutral people assume the obvious. Mass prison riot , hordes of powerful prisoners ganging up and taking down Magelan(basically what happened with Kuma but in just a few hours)
So you buy lots of brand X henchmen and people weaker than the Blackbeards ganging up and beating his ass.
But the concept of Blackbeard and his newly imbued crew, consisting of ID's most powerful, doing the same is obviously not possible?
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@krule274:
Like 4. Mobile games rarely peak my interest. I have a gaming computer, so I'm kinda snobby when it comes to just about anything else.
Ahh I know that feeling, the small screen is really a pain in the arse but I actually enjoy this type of game because of the challenge they have but is also frustrating.
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Just a note. But Blackbeard is, per definiton as their captain, stronger than the best of level 6.If he wasn't, those disloyal asses he's got under him now would've overthrown him long ago.
If you mean now, he sure is. If you mean at Imperel down, They had spent years and those cages and just had a dead so they were in bad shape. And they could have follow him for his aura or because of the awesome deal of killing Whitebeard and be able to get the devil fruit they wanted.And some level6 didn't follow him. No way to know how they ranked. We can't even be sure the best didn't get killed because of seastone cuffs or restricted area of fight.
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So please, just one crew where the crew knows that the leader is weaker and they still follow him.
Just to answer to a question for mere manners.
Strawhats pre timeskip: Zoro was stronger than Luffy in my opinion. But Luffy still was captain and managed to beat super strong characters.
Your answer to mine: "WTF you talking? Whaaa? Sure? etc."
My answers: 1)Read again all OP 2)Zoro was still alive after fighting all thriller bark arc + fighting against Kuma + suffering Luffy damage. Luffy weak points are edged weapons. (see MF).
Your answer: "That means nothing and they bla bla etc. etc."
My answer: "Rolling pirates, all weaklings, but the captain may be someone important, by the way I am out, have fun!"
Your Answer: "Yeah see, you quit cause you can't argue etc. etc."
My answer: Will never come…The End.
For real... The End.
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@Mex:
Just to answer to a question for mere manners.
Strawhats pre timeskip: Zoro was stronger than Luffy in my opinion. But Luffy still was captain and managed to beat super strong characters.
Your answer to mine: "WTF you talking? Whaaa? Sure? etc."
My answers: 1)Read again all OP 2)Zoro was still alive after fighting all thriller bark arc + fighting against Kuma + suffering Luffy damage. Luffy weak points are edged weapons. (see MF).
Your answer: "That means nothing and they bla bla etc. etc."
My answer: "Rolling pirates, all weaklings, but the captain may be someone important, by the way I am out, have fun!"
Your Answer: "Yeah see, you quit cause you can't argue etc. etc."
My answer: Will never come…The End.
For real... The End.
You could've just said you were trolling. Would've saved us all alot of time.
