Chapter 720: Convict Gladiators

[Coby]

@Katzztar:

So what if Law is on a path for Pirate King? Still doesn't mean he's gonna betray Luffy.
The alliance is to take down Kaido. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
They can stay allied for that then go their separates ways afterwards. resuming rivalries.
No need for a betrayal for Law to still go for the title of Pirate King.

All this talk is seriously reminding me of the first time Law first approached Luffy at Marineford and then performed surgery on Luffy.
"oooh Law is gonna change out/steal Luffy's heart!" (we now seen what it looks like when Law takes someone's heart, so nope)
"No, he planted a bomb in Luffy's chest!" (really -____-)
"Law did something to take out competitions!" (Like Law has problems facing a rival in battle)
Some people just really want Law to betray Luffy and are still waiting.

I really hope Oda does take the "Okay Kaido is taken down now so the alliance is over and we're rivals for PK again going our own way" route with no betrayal from Law.

For that Law would have to be honorable and I doubt that. Law's a pirate first and foremost so why would he let Luffy live after seeing him in action, that would be a stupid action on Laws part.

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Wouldn't it be a nice twist if Oda had the revolutionaries commit vile acts like mass murder and pin it on the Marines to rally support revolutionaries. I already distrust dragon (or maybe this is just my desire to see the Marines win in the end and my desire to have the Revolutionaries demonized talking) so I can see him being an extremist in his own right.

[Monkey King]

Well finally!
The people winning the blocks have won the right to challenge the Doflamingo family.
Which means that the Block Winners will almost definitely be fighting the four Dofla people mentioned at the very start of the tournament.
Dellinger, Lao G, Mach Vise, and Senor Pink.
Finally we know some more structure of the thing!

I wonder how the rest will play out? Do the winners of the matches move on to fight the other winners until there's only one left?
And that one left fights Diamante?

Either way this strongly suggests the tournament won't be interrupted any time soon to me. I think Oda really wants to play this out.
So we'll likely at least see those four matches. Oda isn't likely to have introduced those four guys at the start of the tournament if he didn't want to use them like this.

[Shadowgreed]

@Whackadoodle:

Sorry, that was a joke in response to someone taking sarcasm literally. It was supposed to be unsubtle, but internet, sarcasm, etc. I should have used :ninja: in my posts, in retrospect.

sarcasm is your last post? Bitch please

[knceng]

@andre:

Crocodile is one of the one guys who has changed the least since meeting the Straw Hats.

I mean from the name list he gave… crocodile, smoker, robin, buggy , mr3/mr2 ​

[Buggy D. Clown]

well it seems with his convo with Smoker that Kuzan is still trying to help the marines(the good guys). Maybe he using BB to enter into the underworld and take it down from within? Can't wait to find out what he is up to!

[DarkHamster]

4 things Doflamingo didn't account for:

1.) violet turning against him b/c of Sanji's perverse mind, heart and boner
2.) the war that is about to happen on his island
3.) luffy's ability to turn enemies to allies
4.) underestimating Nami, Brook and Chopper! (my bb's).

Can't wait to see his "oh shit" face when is plan against Law's plan falls apart.

[Monkey King]

@DarkHamster:

4 things Doflamingo didn't account for:

1.) violet turning against him b/c of Sanji's perverse mind, heart and boner
2.) the war that is about to happen on his island
3.) luffy's ability to turn enemies to allies
4.) underestimating Nami, Brook and Chopper! (my bb's).

Can't wait to see his "oh shit" face when is plan against Law's plan falls apart.

lol again, Dofla is not some careful planner guy.
I don't know if you guys ever watched him in action prior to this arc.
He's one of those type of villains you see that are gleeful about chaos regardless of who it effects. He definitely has an air of flippancy about him toward his position, talking like he just changes positions and criminal schemes due to boredom.
Add on to that he's dangerously adaptive. Law pulls his Warlord position out from under him? Dofla just flips it around completely.

He's one of the Warlords fer chrissakes. He's not going to go down this easily like he's just some random arc villain like Hody or Kuro.
Only Gecko Moria went down that easily, and we only found out about him in that one arc. Dofla's been hyped since VOLUME 25 lol.

Wouldn't you people be let down if it was as simple as this? I'm kind of boggled that every week there's like twenty posts going "dofla's gonna be taken down by things that have happend within two volumes of his island arc :) and he's already going to be mentally cracked :)"

Man I don't get it. Good villains are to be savored, not thrown out.
We don't even really know what his agenda is yet. He's gonna be around for awhile yet, maybe even beyond Dressrosa and into the later stages of the Kaidou storyline.

[Aohige_AP]

Law has shown some very honorable characteristics, even though he's basically a schemer.

I think his friendship with Luffy will grow, and there'll come a time when he'll have to decide whether to stay a friend or confront Luffy as a rival. I don't think it'll necessarily come to a backstab, and even then, it will probably end well with eventual defeat and forgiven by Luffy. I'm pretty confident by the end of the story, he and his pirate crew will be another valuable ally of the Straw Hats.
I'm just not sure how big of a role if any he'll play after the Doflamingo arc is resolved, as his importance to the story largely is about his past with Dofla.

[Taggerung]

I agree with most of that except I think his flippant attitude toward's his position is a bluff. He's been a shichibukia for 10 years. He want to be the Pirate King. He's the main supplier of DF's to one of the Yonkou. These thing's would normally conflict each other unless he has some underlying plan to make them all work out him his favor and clearly being one of the Shichibukia is a part of that. His trump card with Law was not him being adaptive, the fact that he had to expose the limits of his reach not just to Law but to the Marine HQ, something he's clearly kept hidden from 10 years is kind of a back against the wall type of maneuver. I doubt he will be able to pull off anything of that magnitude again in the future and I'm sure he wasn't at all happy to do it. He probably won't go down in this arc but Law and Luffy are definitely pushing him into a position he was not prepared to be in.

[Coby]

I have a hard time believing that Law would have helped the kids had the strawhats not been there. And I think he may have done something to Luffys body. I think that his relationship with Luffy will grow but in the end it will be a backstab and I believe that robin suspects this. And no matter how honorable Law is he's no Luffy, no other pirate is. I just dont see it ending well.
Crackpot theory that may never happen time: Luffy betrays Law.

[Monkey King]

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[Monkey King]

@Taggerung:

I agree with most of that except I think his flippant attitude toward's his position is a bluff. He's been a shichibukia for 10 years. He want to be the Pirate King. He's the main supplier of DF's to one of the Yonkou. These thing's would normally conflict each other unless he has some underlying plan to make them all work out him his favor and clearly being one of the Shichibukia is a part of that. His trump card with Law was not him being adaptive, the fact that he had to expose the limits of his reach not just to Law but to the Marine HQ, something he's clearly kept hidden from 10 years is kind of a back against the wall type of maneuver. I doubt he will be able to pull off anything of that magnitude again in the future and I'm sure he wasn't at all happy to do it. He probably won't go down in this arc but Law and Luffy are definitely pushing him into a position he was not prepared to be in.

The key we're missing is actually learning what his agenda really is.

I don't necessarily but that he wants to be Pirate King just because of what Monet said.
Bellamy idolized him even back when he was what he was on Jaya so there's definitely more to his game.

[Nickop]

Chapters like this is why i read One Piece, great chapter.

[Gliblord]

I used to nurse the idea that Law would turn on Luffy at some point, but his subsequent actions put the kibosh on that. He even went so far as to maintain that he and Luffy were ALLIES, not superior and subordinate, when questioned by Fujitora, at personal expense (with the pretext that it was buying time). Combine that with the knowledge that Law has a grudge against Doffy born of their as yet unrevealed history, and it no longer really makes sense for Law to betray Luffy.

As for Doffy, I think it's safe to say he's become the most fascinating character in the series, with so many intriguing layers to him

[Ping]


Awesome chapter..

Bartolomeo.. this guy is a freaking great character..

[funkfreed]

@warismydestiny:

if crocodile turns out to have been a girl oda will have ruined his character

Don't worry, it won't happen. Strong Crocodile enthusiasts like myself won't accept it. I'll come up with every crazy theory in the book before that happens. Like so…

Crocodile was similar to Luffy in his youth and even wanted to be a Pirate like his idol, Roger. He was part of the Revolutionary army and friends with Dragon. He learned of plans to find the location to Pluton so they could topple the World Government. At some point the WG, maybe CP0, captured Croc and tortured him for rebel secrets. Dragon and the revolutionaries knowingly or unknowingly left him. Croc, feeling betrayed and hardened by his experience, stopped being idealistic like Luffy and started being a straight up boss. He was saved by Whitebeard somehow and, not wanting to feel grateful to anyone, challenged WB and lost. Then he decided to take the info about Pluton and use it for himself. Croc doesn't want his rebel past revealed by Iva.

This would explain:
1 Why his dream was to become Pirate King
2 How he knew Iva and where Plutons general location was
3 His distrust of the Government and anyone in general
4 Why he helped Luffy more then necessary at Marinford
5 How he got disfigured: hand and face by either WB or CP
6 Why he's got beef with Whitebeard and why they have a Zeff/Sanji (respect/hate) type relationship

Oda based Croc off of Captain Hook in more ways then just the obvious. Hook was a pirate who hated the youthful antics of Peter Pan (Luffy/Crocs own past) and was always chased by a Crocodile with a clock in it's belly (time that eventually changed him)

That's right, I came up with a crazy bogus theory. Come at me. HEH HEH HEH

[Swordsman LUCY]

@Monkey:

lol again, Dofla is not some careful planner guy.
I don't know if you guys ever watched him in action prior to this arc.
He's one of those type of villains you see that are gleeful about chaos regardless of who it effects. He definitely has an air of flippancy about him toward his position, talking like he just changes positions and criminal schemes due to boredom.
Add on to that he's dangerously adaptive. Law pulls his Warlord position out from under him? Dofla just flips it around completely.

He's one of the Warlords fer chrissakes. He's not going to go down this easily like he's just some random arc villain like Hody or Kuro.
Only Gecko Moria went down that easily, and we only found out about him in that one arc. Dofla's been hyped since VOLUME 25 lol.

Wouldn't you people be let down if it was as simple as this? I'm kind of boggled that every week there's like twenty posts going "dofla's gonna be taken down by things that have happend within two volumes of his island arc :) and he's already going to be mentally cracked :)"

Man I don't get it. Good villains are to be savored, not thrown out.
We don't even really know what his agenda is yet. He's gonna be around for awhile yet, maybe even beyond Dressrosa and into the later stages of the Kaidou storyline.

I agree that all this build up to the character only to be taken down one arc after he's directly opposed sounds lame, but to be fair, minus the Drum Island detour, this is basically the amount of storytelling effort needed for Crocodile. Strawhats take out some minions on another island or two, get on the Warlords radar, they show up at his base, and we eventually get a proper introduction to motives and powers before he's taken out along with his strongest men during a huge rebellion/war (I'm assuming of course). One Piece's story progresses from one island to the next (with the War Saga being a special case), so really, all this build up about Dressrosa's issues can only logically get it's pay off now, either Strawhats win by the end or they retreat (I think the latter is unlikely). Now I'm sure DD will stay relevant, but will he really leave without getting beat badly first?

Now as to why DD got such an earlier introduction: Maybe Oda just felt it was appropriate since he knew his Arc was post-skip and was sure he'd already reveal him by the war. "There's still a few Warlords that'll be important before the War left, might as well show off these two." For example, Zoro and Jinbe got first mentioned with a similar tone of doom, but looking back, we consider Jinbe's more significant because he appeared about five Sagas afterwards as opposed to next chapter. This is of course because Zoro appears very early, and Jinbe near the halfway point. So in a similar fashion, maybe DD is getting so much more build up than Crocodile, because Crocodile was already pre-ordained to be fought in Saga 2 and DD in Saga 6 or 7.

I'm guessing a lot of course, but I just wanted to express why I think this line of thinking makes sense.

[desa]

Law formed an alliance to take down Kaido. Once it's over nothing he do to Luffy can be consider as betrayal. Law even warn him when they met at Punk hazardthat they were enemies.

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If the factory really is destroyed by the time Dofla get back I'm sure we'll get a pissed Dofla rather than a laughing one. If Law can make him get that face by beating his subordinate I'm sure we'll get at least that get that when the factory is destroyed.

[Monkey King]

@funkfreed:

Don't worry, it won't happen. Strong Crocodile enthusiasts like myself won't accept it. I'll come up with every crazy theory in the book before that happens. Like so…

Crocodile was similar to Luffy in his youth and even wanted to be a Pirate like his idol, Roger. He was part of the Revolutionary army and friends with Dragon. He learned of plans to find the location to Pluton so they could topple the World Government. At some point the WG, maybe CP0, captured Croc and tortured him for rebel secrets. Dragon and the revolutionaries knowingly or unknowingly left him. Croc, feeling betrayed and hardened by his experience, stopped being idealistic like Luffy and started being a straight up boss. He was saved by Whitebeard somehow and, not wanting to feel grateful to anyone, challenged WB and lost. Then he decided to take the info about Pluton and use it for himself. Croc doesn't want his rebel past revealed by Iva.

This would explain:
1 Why his dream was to become Pirate King
2 How he knew Iva and where Plutons general location was
3 His distrust of the Government and anyone in general
4 Why he helped Luffy more then necessary at Marinford
5 How he got disfigured: hand and face by either WB or CP
6 Why he's got beef with Whitebeard and why they have a Zeff/Sanji (respect/hate) type relationship

Oda based Croc off of Captain Hook in more ways then just the obvious. Hook was a pirate who hated the youthful antics of Peter Pan (Luffy/Crocs own past) and was always chased by a Crocodile with a clock in it's belly (time that eventually changed him)

That's right, I came up with a crazy bogus theory. Come at me. HEH HEH HEH

Making desperate pathetic fanboy posts like this one are the greatest evidence that Crocodile is a woman.
Because it's evidence precisely of how many stupid people Oda's going to troll.
Just like this chapter with Bart being a goofy teenage girl about Luffy. A bunch of dull people whined. Troll complete. Many laughs.
And every time Sanji gets blue balled about recognition and with his wanted poster? A bunch of dull people get angry. Many laughs.
Here again, bad posters are getting upset. Many laughs.

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@Swordsman:

I agree that all this build up to the character only to be taken down one arc after he's directly opposed sounds lame, but to be fair, minus the Drum Island detour, this is basically the amount of storytelling effort needed for Crocodile.

Crocodile's plot spanned Volume 12 to 23. Minus Drum that's about eight volumes of very busy chapters.
And Crocodile wasn't teased to us over the course of over a decade (the amount of time Dofla's been on our awareness).

One Piece's story progresses from one island to the next (with the War Saga being a special case), so really, all this build up about Dressrosa's issues can only logically get it's pay off now,

Island to island?
You never noticed there were larger story periods?

1. East Blue
2. Baroque Works
3. Sky Island
4. The Robin Crisis
–--TB----
5. War
---Fishman Island
6. The Kaidou Plot

Oda tells larger plots. He always has with a few exceptions.
The first was the story of the founding of the Strawhats/
The second was the BW Alabasta plot, spanning four islands.
The third was the whole Sky Island deal, spanning Jaya and Skypiea.
The fourth was the huge existential crisis of the crew, focusing on the bonds. Spanning Long Ring Island, Water7 and Enies Lobby.
The fifth was the Act One finale events that lead to the war, spanning Saobody, Amazon Lilly, Impel Down and Marineford.
Now we have the Kaidou plot, with Punk Hazard and Dressrosa already under our belts, and Wano and Zou waved at us in the future.

The main problem with all this "alright NOW Dofla will be mentally defeated than finished off with a punch" bullshit is how little we even know about so many things in this arc, and about him.
The people saying this are the same clueless crowd who every week declares the arc almost over.
My main point is even if all stays on Dressrosa, there are dozens of cards still to be played on the deck. The plot so far leading to Dolfa's absolute downfall? And him being broken and upset already? Is ridiculous. Not to mention what we know of his personality is completely at odds with him having some sort of mental breakdown over a plan lol.
People are treating him like some disposable Krieg type in that regard. Like he's already ripe as of this chapter for defeat. And as of every chapter for months.

[desa]

So you consider that every gag should be appreciate by a one piece good reader?

[Monkey King]

@desa:

So you consider that every gag should be appreciate by a one piece good reader?

I'm saying people who take their stupid macho character mancrushes so damn seriously that they can't appreciate any interesting or humorous twists Oda does with them are not just bad readers, but probably the worst of all readers.
Barto fanboys, Law fanboys and fangirls, Sanji fanboys, Crocodile fanboys etc. (Ace fanboys as well but hehehehe)

It's the epitome of not getting One Piece.

Only rivaled by the ton of people who jumped on board during Enies Lobby from the Naruto and Bleach fandoms, and lasted about as long as the series was acting super serious before whining about anything that wasn't Lucci smirking. They mostly fucked off back whence they came thank god.

[funkfreed]

@Monkey:

Making desperate pathetic fanboy posts like this one are the greatest evidence that Crocodile is a woman.
Because it's evidence precisely of how many stupid people Oda's going to troll.
Just like this chapter with Bart being a goofy teenage girl about Luffy. A bunch of dull people whined. Troll complete. Many laughs.
And every time Sanji gets blue balled about recognition and with his wanted poster? A bunch of dull people get angry. Many laughs.
Here again, bad posters are getting upset. Many laughs.

lol I'm not upset, I was half joking. That's the problem with text, you can't distinguish tone. Cause every time I read your posts, I just imagine you yelling or something lol. I didn't get angry at the Bartolomeo or the Sanji thing, I enjoyed them.
Just gotta chill man, Croc may very well be a woman and, although I don't think I'll enjoy it, I'm sure Oda can make it work. I just honestly don't think he is, sue me.

[Monkey King]

@funkfreed:

lol I'm not upset, I was half joking. That's the problem with text, you can't distinguish tone. Cause every time I read your posts, I just imagine you yelling or something lol. I didn't get angry at the Bartolomeo or the Sanji thing, I enjoyed them.
Just gotta chill man, Croc may very well be a woman and, although I don't think I'll enjoy it, I'm sure Oda can make it work. I just honestly don't think he is, sue me.

Alas there are many many many people taking such "ruining" of their mancrushes deathly serious.

[funkfreed]

@Monkey:

Alas there are many many many people taking such "ruining" of their mancrushes deathly serious.

Alright, guess we'll just have to wait and see. Believe me I have the "I told you so" post ready to go lol

[desa]

Can't imagine Croc having been a girl. Not only does it seems strange for such a confident character but isn't even a weakness. Except if Ivankov meant he would change him back to a woman if he doesn't behave well. But I really hope that doesn't put a third Kuina in there. Crocodile really don't such background at that point.

[D.aelthasaar]

@Aohige_AP:

Law has shown some very honorable characteristics, even though he's basically a schemer.

I think his friendship with Luffy will grow, and there'll come a time when he'll have to decide whether to stay a friend or confront Luffy as a rival. I don't think it'll necessarily come to a backstab, and even then, it will probably end well with eventual defeat and forgiven by Luffy. I'm pretty confident by the end of the story, he and his pirate crew will be another valuable ally of the Straw Hats.
I'm just not sure how big of a role if any he'll play after the Doflamingo arc is resolved, as his importance to the story largely is about his past with Dofla.

I state many times that Law has been built to be Luffy's "Whitebeard".
Again, Luffy is not Roger, Law is not WB, so the story won't be a rinse/repeat, but the friendly, respectful yet competitive relationship is going to be there.

@funkfreed:

Don't worry, it won't happen. Strong Crocodile enthusiasts like myself won't accept it. I'll come up with every crazy theory in the book before that happens. Like so…

Crocodile was similar to Luffy in his youth and even wanted to be a Pirate like his idol, Roger. He was part of the Revolutionary army and friends with Dragon. He learned of plans to find the location to Pluton so they could topple the World Government. At some point the WG, maybe CP0, captured Croc and tortured him for rebel secrets. Dragon and the revolutionaries knowingly or unknowingly left him. Croc, feeling betrayed and hardened by his experience, stopped being idealistic like Luffy and started being a straight up boss. He was saved by Whitebeard somehow and, not wanting to feel grateful to anyone, challenged WB and lost. Then he decided to take the info about Pluton and use it for himself. Croc doesn't want his rebel past revealed by Iva.

This would explain:
1 Why his dream was to become Pirate King
2 How he knew Iva and where Plutons general location was
3 His distrust of the Government and anyone in general
4 Why he helped Luffy more then necessary at Marinford
5 How he got disfigured: hand and face by either WB or CP
6 Why he's got beef with Whitebeard and why they have a Zeff/Sanji (respect/hate) type relationship

Oda based Croc off of Captain Hook in more ways then just the obvious. Hook was a pirate who hated the youthful antics of Peter Pan (Luffy/Crocs own past) and was always chased by a Crocodile with a clock in it's belly (time that eventually changed him)

That's right, I came up with a crazy bogus theory. Come at me. HEH HEH HEH

I won't comment if Croc was a woman or not, but you managed to stack up a big load of crap there.
When you said he wanted to be the pirate king AND was a revolutionary you already messed EVERYF'NTHING

[HaxeyeMihawk]

@Monkey:

I'm saying people who take their stupid macho character mancrushes so damn seriously that they can't appreciate any interesting or humorous twists Oda does with them are not just bad readers, but probably the worst of all readers. Barto fanboys, Law fanboys and fangirls, Sanji fanboys, Crocodile fanboys etc. (Ace fanboys as well but hehehehe) It's the epitome of not getting One Piece. Only rivaled by the ton of people who jumped on board during Enies Lobby from the Naruto and Bleach fandoms, and lasted about as long as the series was acting super serious before whining about anything that wasn't Lucci smirking. They mostly fucked off back whence they came thank god.

Naw they're in the One Piece Telegrams of NF making tier threads lol.

[Gliblord]

@Monkey:

I'm saying people who take their stupid macho character mancrushes so damn seriously that they can't appreciate any interesting or humorous twists Oda does with them are not just bad readers, but probably the worst of all readers.
Barto fanboys, Law fanboys and fangirls, Sanji fanboys, Crocodile fanboys etc. (Ace fanboys as well but hehehehe)

It's the epitome of not getting One Piece.

Only rivaled by the ton of people who jumped on board during Enies Lobby from the Naruto and Bleach fandoms, and lasted about as long as the series was acting super serious before whining about anything that wasn't Lucci smirking. They mostly fucked off back whence they came thank god.

Enies Lobby wasn't that super serious (Kumadori in the fridge and Franky's fuel troubles, Usopp and Zoro accidentally handcuffed together, Usopp versus the chicken, Franky's fart blast, Chibi Luffy, Jabra is Robin's long lost brother + Gatherine, Kaku being a giraffe, etc.)

I laughed forever when Kaku was trying to play up the GIRAFFE'S INSANE DESTRUCTIVE POWER

[TheCrystalShip]

@desa:

Can't imagine Croc having been a girl. Not only does it seems strange for such a confident character but isn't even a weakness.

Oh god oh god oh god.

It's already happening. The revelation is still years from now, and it's already happening.

[funkfreed]

@D.aelthasaar:

I state many times that Law has been built to be Luffy's "Whitebeard".
Again, Luffy is not Roger, Law is not WB, so the story won't be a rinse/repeat, but the friendly, respectful yet competitive relationship is going to be there.

I won't comment if Croc was a woman or not, but you managed to stack up a big load of crap there.
When you said he wanted to be the pirate king AND was a revolutionary you already messed EVERYF'NTHING

Well it is a crazy theory but I never said he wanted to be a revolutionary. And it is fact that he his dream was to be Pirate King.

I gotta say for only coming to AP forums once in a while, lots of people here don't think 'out of the box' to much. I thought I would see a lot more theories but I'll I see is every body agreeing with each other lol. Take a leap

[Gliblord]

@TheCrystalShip:

Oh god oh god oh god.

It's already happening. The revelation is still years from now, and it's already happening.

Fortunately those dumbasses are a minority among OP fans

[HaxeyeMihawk]

Also still not buying into the "Now we're enemies again" declaration, a friendly rivalry would remove any tension any fight between Luffy and Law could have. Law will likely be an ally for Luffy in the final battle but I feel like it'll only happen after a betrayal and reconciliation once Luffy is PK already.

[Swordsman LUCY]

@Monkey:

Island to island?
You never noticed there were larger story periods?

Well yes I did notice the arcs/Sagas, what I meant was that they typically don't return to an island once they leave (which is why I said the war saga was an exception). Thus, any issues specific to just one island (currently Dressrosa's crisis)' don't carry over and have to be resolved then and there ( where as say, helping Vivi was clearly not specific to Whisky Peak and lasted the Saga).

I was also more or less drawing parallels to Croc as opposed to counting volumes or exact circumstances, but other than that I get your point. Should worse come to worse for DD, a he's not going to absolutely freak.

[D.aelthasaar]

@funkfreed:

Well it is a crazy theory but I never said he wanted to be a revolutionary. And it is fact that he his dream was to be Pirate King.

I gotta say for only coming to AP forums once in a while, lots of people here don't think 'out of the box' to much. I thought I would see a lot more theories but I'll I see is every body agreeing with each other lol. Take a leap

Look, I encourage theories, I have my ones and stuff, though the manga has some defined rules.
One of the things OnePiece lacks is "contradiction".
Oda never contradicts himself.
If he foreshadows something he has a reason.
I don't go against the concept of Croc being a women, it IS something Oda can pull out.
I don't think people around here rules the idea out, maybe won't like it, others will, but that's not the point.
You came to the conclusion with a big card castle.
If you had some more solid basis, people would have had a harder time to pull your theory down and wouldn't have laughed at you.

[Coby]

Whitebeard and Roger didn't ally,the fought eachother on the regular. therefore law is not luffys whitebeard.

[funkfreed]

@D.aelthasaar:

Look, I encourage theories, I have my ones and stuff, though the manga has some defined rules.
One of the things OnePiece lacks is "contradiction".
Oda never contradicts himself.
If he foreshadows something he has a reason.
I don't go against the concept of Croc being a women, it IS something Oda can pull out.
I don't think people around here rules the idea out, maybe won't like it, others will, but that's not the point.
You came to the conclusion with a big card castle.
If you had some more solid basis, people would have had a harder time to pull your theory down and wouldn't have laughed at you.

I wasn't talking about my specific theory but the theories of everyone in this forum in general. My theory was supposed to be 'out there' the point I was trying to make was that Croc theories aren't set in stone. One person thinks something, everyone thinks it.

I guess what I'm saying is people aren't going further which cool new ideas, they're just getting scared to say anything cause people will say. "It's not confirmed", or "not enough evidence". The funny thing is there is nothing in my theory, or most anybody else's theory, that can be disproven, at least not that I know of.

lol don't you see, this forum is turning into the bar in Jaya. Laughed at every which way.
Well remember "Peoples dreams (and their theories lol) don't ever end"

[Shadowgreed]

@funkfreed:

I see is every body agreeing with each other lol. Take a leap

I thought that I was the only one who noticed this but that's to show how…

[ponx]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but upon rereading this chapter, I find this panel interesting

!

Blackbeard's Den Den Mushi has braided beards now, he is looking more and more like the real Blackbeard. (All of those pictures of Blackbeard has him with a braided beard)

[D.aelthasaar]

@funkfreed:

I wasn't talking about my specific theory but the theories of everyone in this forum in general. My theory was supposed to be 'out there' the point I was trying to make was that Croc theories aren't set in stone. One person thinks something, everyone thinks it.

I guess what I'm saying is people aren't going further which cool new ideas, they're just getting scared to say anything cause people will say. "It's not confirmed", or "not enough evidence". The funny thing is there is nothing in my theory, or most anybody else's theory, that can be disproven, at least not that I know of.

lol don't you see, this forum is turning into the bar in Jaya. Laughed at every which way.
Well remember "Peoples dreams (and their theories lol) don't ever end"

Look, I had my share of fight with Monkeyking too about the heigth of the Red Line.
Big words went back and forth, but I still believe my theory.
If you believe in it, keep doing it and be prepared to back it up :)

[warismydestiny]

@Monkey:

I'm saying people who take their stupid macho character mancrushes so damn seriously that they can't appreciate any interesting or humorous twists Oda does with them are not just bad readers, but probably the worst of all readers.
Barto fanboys, Law fanboys and fangirls, Sanji fanboys, Crocodile fanboys etc. (Ace fanboys as well but hehehehe)

It's the epitome of not getting One Piece.

Only rivaled by the ton of people who jumped on board during Enies Lobby from the Naruto and Bleach fandoms, and lasted about as long as the series was acting super serious before whining about anything that wasn't Lucci smirking. They mostly fucked off back whence they came thank god.

i love how you make the assumption that just because alot of people wouldnt like horrible twist of crocodile having been born a girl that they dont appreciate the humor in one piece for me the wackiness in one piece is one of the big reasons why its my favorite manga thats what makes it so fun compared certian other boring and bland mangas just this chapter i cracked up when luffy ate all the free samples amidst the serious escaping barto wasnt an established "macho" character from the begining of the story hes a new character i barely cared about and the twist of him being a luffy superfan was friggen hilarious sanjis wanted poster gag is fucking hilarious but crocodile having been born a girl would just completly but cher his character all character have there own unique styles that weve all grown accustmed to and loved imagine if whitebeard had also been born a girl or if akainu was a tranny than there wouldve been alot more tension in aces death scene right

[Tangaroa]

It wasn't until reading this chapter that I got what Oda was doing with Batolomeo and Cavendish, but now I totally love it.
Cavendish is a pretty boy who carries around a book of wanted posters to stab, the ultimate hater.
Barto is deliberately ugly and has a collection of wanted posters (probably now in his mysterious suitcase) he admires, the ultimate fanboy.

They're book-ends and it really works even at this point. I have no idea if they're going to fight or… team-up but it's going to be fun.

[andre]

@funkfreed:

I wasn't talking about my specific theory but the theories of everyone in this forum in general. My theory was supposed to be 'out there' the point I was trying to make was that Croc theories aren't set in stone. One person thinks something, everyone thinks it.

I guess what I'm saying is people aren't going further which cool new ideas, they're just getting scared to say anything cause people will say. "It's not confirmed", or "not enough evidence". The funny thing is there is nothing in my theory, or most anybody else's theory, that can be disproven, at least not that I know of.

lol don't you see, this forum is turning into the bar in Jaya. Laughed at every which way.
Well remember "Peoples dreams (and their theories lol) don't ever end"

But… the Straw Hats had pretty good reason to think there was a Sky Island, even if it was nonsense, just like some posters had good reason to think Barto was a fanboy. Making random ass theories based on absolutely nothing but your own wishes is pointless, or at least should be reserved for the bad theories thread. (whatever it's called)

[TheCrystalShip]

@warismydestiny:

but crocodile having been born a girl would just completly but cher his character all character have there own unique styles that weve all grown accustmed to and loved imagine if whitebeard had also been born a girl or if akainu was a tranny than there wouldve been alot more tension in aces death scene right

Wow, I didn't even have to wait ONE PAGE.

[andre]

@TheCrystalShip:

Oh god oh god oh god.

It's already happening. The revelation is still years from now, and it's already happening.

I think his point is supposed to be that Crocodile operates with such a sense of confidence, it's hard to imagine him/her/IhavenoideawhatIvameant ever asking Iva to do anything for him like that as he currently is. Like if it were the other way around and women were the bees knees in the One Piece world, it's be hard to imagine the character we know, right now, asking for a sex change. Though this ignores that we have no idea anything about him all those years ago when whatever happened, and no reason to think that.

[parklane21]

It will be really awesome if Luffy will get a fleet that could rival Kaido even before they meet. Law would be so proud (and astonished).

I can't wait for Bartolomeo to board Sunny, even if he's not the next new nakama, simply because of the interactions. He'll definitely attach "senpai" when referring to anyone of them, that's for sure.

@Tangaroa:

It wasn't until reading this chapter that I got what Oda was doing with Batolomeo and Cavendish, but now I totally love it.
Cavendish is a pretty boy who carries around a book of wanted posters to stab, the ultimate hater.
Barto is deliberately ugly and has a collection of wanted posters (probably now in his mysterious suitcase) he admires, the ultimate fanboy.

They're book-ends and it really works even at this point. I have no idea if they're going to fight or… team-up but it's going to be fun.

This is a good post… and I agree with you.

[Zack]

@andre:

I think his point is supposed to be that Crocodile operates with such a sense of confidence, it's hard to imagine him/her/IhavenoideawhatIvameant ever asking Iva to do anything for him like that as he currently is. Like if it were the other way around and women were the bees knees in the One Piece world, it's be hard to imagine the character we know, right now, asking for a sex change. Though this ignores that we have no idea anything about him all those years ago when whatever happened, and no reason to think that.

I thought the poster may have been using that reasoning as well, but it's still pretty bad reasoning. Crocodile acts confident, but he's got a massive inferiority complex when it comes to pirates stronger than him like Whitebeard. That's not to mention that his original career ended with him having his spirits crushed and no more resolve to become pirate king at least without obtaining Pluton if being pirate king was still his goal at that time.

[andre]

@Zack:

I thought the poster may have been using that reasoning as well, but it's still pretty bad reasoning. Crocodile acts confident, but he's got a massive inferiority complex when it comes to pirates stronger than him like Whitebeard. That's not to mention that his original career ended with him having his spirits crushed and no more resolve to become pirate king at least without obtaining Pluton if being pirate king was still his goal at that time.

I was just trying to explain what the dude I posted said, I don't actually buy into his reasonings. I have no theory about it at all.

[funkfreed]

@andre:

But… the Straw Hats had pretty good reason to think there was a Sky Island, even if it was nonsense, just like some posters had good reason to think Barto was a fanboy. Making random ass theories based on absolutely nothing but your own wishes is pointless, or at least should be reserved for the bad theories thread. (whatever it's called)

I don't think so Bellamy. The theory is based on lots of things.
Cause Crocs a girls answers everything right?. How he knew about Plutons location, relationship with Whitebeard, why he wants to be Pirate King and so forth. People don't consider everything else just "uh, Ivankov said this so, he's a girl" why not delve deeper even at the risk of sounding weird. I'm not saying my theory is rock solid but I've yet to hear anything specific about it that is wrong. It's just speculation, that's what a theory is.
And my previous posts have less to do with my theory then with all the Bellamy's in this place.

[Lawlord]

@warismydestiny:

i love how you make the assumption that just because alot of people wouldnt like horrible twist of crocodile having been born a girl that they dont appreciate the humor in one piece for me the wackiness in one piece is one of the big reasons why its my favorite manga thats what makes it so fun compared certian other boring and bland mangas just this chapter i cracked up when luffy ate all the free samples amidst the serious escaping barto wasnt an established "macho" character from the begining of the story hes a new character i barely cared about and the twist of him being a luffy superfan was friggen hilarious sanjis wanted poster gag is fucking hilarious but crocodile having been born a girl would just completly but cher his character all character have there own unique styles that weve all grown accustmed to and loved imagine if whitebeard had also been born a girl or if akainu was a tranny than there wouldve been alot more tension in aces death scene right

Ze prejudice reveals itself! Zehahaha!

[parklane21]

@funkfreed:

Crocodile was similar to Luffy in his youth and even wanted to be a Pirate like his idol, Roger. He was part of the Revolutionary army and friends with Dragon. He learned of plans to find the location to Pluton so they could topple the World Government. At some point the WG, maybe CP0, captured Croc and tortured him for rebel secrets. Dragon and the revolutionaries knowingly or unknowingly left him. Croc, feeling betrayed and hardened by his experience, stopped being idealistic like Luffy and started being a straight up boss. He was saved by Whitebeard somehow and, not wanting to feel grateful to anyone, challenged WB and lost. Then he decided to take the info about Pluton and use it for himself. Croc doesn't want his rebel past revealed by Iva.

This would explain:
1 Why his dream was to become Pirate King
2 How he knew Iva and where Plutons general location was
3 His distrust of the Government and anyone in general
4 Why he helped Luffy more then necessary at Marinford
5 How he got disfigured: hand and face by either WB or CP
6 Why he's got beef with Whitebeard and why they have a Zeff/Sanji (respect/hate) type relationship

This theory alone is "ok". But this theory and put in some "Iva changed Croc's gender" and it will change to something (dunno if for better or worse). You see there's coexistence there, don't have to dutifully reject each other.

Though there is not that much evidence shown whether Croc's really want to be the pirate king, he did fight with Whitebeard. Challenging him means he did have the desire, but if he's just on the defensive (like Ace's case) that's a little vague.