@Monkey:
You could try quoting me in the first place if you want my attention lol.
Alright I'm officially going to start using one word since it seems like both "ambition" and "willpower" are just confusing people.
Confidence, sureness of self. Is the Haki.
Boa and Chinjao being upset about something doesn't make them self-doubting people. Even just self-doubting at some point….doesn't like destroy your ability to be sure of yourself forever, Luffy could exhibit CoC before and after his breakdown over Ace, or even his mini-breakdown at the very end of Saobody about losing the entire crew.
Because definition 3.
First off, that was not even directed at you but the guy above me, so why quote you, don´t want your attention
I disagree with this point. Again, there are so many more self-confident and doubtless characters in the story that it would result in consistency issues.
And you are not confusing anybody i think considering that your definition, while it sounds good, contradicts what has been shown in the manga, at least for me.
And again, much more ambitious people were shown than the royalty of some countries or, best example, Rayleigh, who was not ambitious at all, again consistency issues.
@andre:
You're gonna have to tell me who these people are. I don't think they're actually in the story, or at least we haven't seen them. The only person we know who's as ambitious as the characters we know have CoC and have shown the will is Blackbeard.
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I gave the best example there is, namely Zoro. In my book, standing above everyone else in a specific field is much more ambitious than being the leading figure of a small country for example, or in Rayleigh´s case, lazying around all day.
I am not trying to be condescending here, as long as your definitions not only of Haki but CoC specifically can solve these points, i have no problems admitting my fault but the thing is, either you just don´t have yet or can´t, which is hopefully not true.
@Gizmo:
It's frustrating because it's only a minute difference in what I disagree with Zephos. On a whole I understand and agree with what you're saying, and one of Oda's messages is definitely for people to strive for big goals and aim to achieve them…
But like you're saying Zephos, people with super levels of charisma are rare. I'm not saying it's necessarily a choice from birth but...if it really was just working hard with ambition than a lot of people should have Conqueror's haki, shouldn't it? Hody for example had the drive to rule the seas, but from the way I'm seeing your words it sounds like he should have the ability as well. Some people just don't have that quality to them, otherwise why would Rayleigh say it's not a trait that can be unlocked by training (unless you think it just literally means that it can't be unlocked by strength, the words seem to imply not everybody has that spark). I guess the difference I'm bothered by is just abstract nonsense but is being rare enough to have what it takes to strive for greatness really different than being born with the ability?
I guess I'm seeing it more from the cynical side of people who do try hard but just...can't make it which obviously Oda wouldn't give as a message in a shonen but I hope you get what I mean.
@MiyamotoMusashi:
Your definition of CoC Monkey raises a question though, at least for me, namely how is the power of CoC obtained?
Let´s say it is not dormant ability by birthright but purely a manifestation of your superior ambition, spirit and willpower. How is that ambition developed though?
Is it through particular experiences, thorugh exterior influences or is it something with which you are born in the first place.
Furthermore, doesn´t that reveal consistency issues considering that there are people we have seen who are probably more ambitious and have more willpower (i really did not want to use this example but i think Zoro and Boa are a good one, the former intends to be the best in his particular field while Boa is content with her small kingdom).
Continuing the real life comparison, how is that charisma of huge businessman, politicians and so forth developed? Is it something they are born with it in the first place and learned to utilize it with their personal growth or is it something that has developed with special and peculiar experiences?
@The:
The only thing throwing me off with this whole Haki=for ambitious people notion is Aisa
She didn't seem that ambitious, and was implied to have mantra from birth, so at least CoO seems to be inheritable
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