What's funny is self-proclaimed "hardcore" anime fans tend to prefer all of their anime in Japanese & subtitled because dubs like Viz's Naruto and FUNi's One Piece are supposedly bad.
Then they say "the only anime that's better in English is DBZ."
What's funny is self-proclaimed "hardcore" anime fans tend to prefer all of their anime in Japanese & subtitled because dubs like Viz's Naruto and FUNi's One Piece are supposedly bad.
Then they say "the only anime that's better in English is DBZ."
I've loved this series forever, and although I do like the original soundtrack and even the original voice actors, there's too much nostalgia for me not to like the dub version better. I know that sounds weird, but the DBZ dub is the one dub I still watch every now and then. Yes some of the lines were cheesy and there were plenty of times they could've worded the script more accurately to the actual translation, but quite honestly, they did a pretty darn good job with packaging this material to us as kids considering how heavy some of the the series is. Granted it's the butt of every anime joke made nowadays and it does have flaws. Some scenes for me just flow better in the dub than the original. Goku's Instant Transmission Kamehameha to me is the perfect example - I can watch the sub and still think its cool, but the dub adds so much more tension and just explosion to that scene. Sean Schemmel was perfect in that one moment. Cell's reaction was perfect. The music was perfect. I get chills every time I watch it. On the other hand, I found some of the serious discussions and comedic moments more enjoyable in the original version. There's a genuine flow to conversations that is missing in the dub. Maybe what I disliked about the sub was more about the shortness of some battle cries or phrases. I wanted the emphasis to last. I enjoyed the pageantry of it, and that's part of the reason why I go back to the dubs. Now if only I could splice the two aspects together…....
Obviously this is all personal opinion, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes about this. Just thought I'd add my views on this stuff.
Todos ustedes estan equivocados, Mario Castañeda is best Goku.
This movie will be the shittiest thing in the world. Where's the respect to Dragon Ball?????????? If Toriyama doesn't like the series then why he make the movie? To kill it? To show characters doing shitty stuff? Wheres the epicness of the Dragon Ball movies? This is not a Dragon Ball movie this is a bad dream, to make some money for Toriyama.
Honestly,if you thought that Dragon Ball wasn't always goofy and wacky at heart,then you never really got Dragon Ball.
Period.
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@Mikey:
What's funny is self-proclaimed "hardcore" anime fans tend to prefer all of their anime in Japanese & subtitled because dubs like Viz's Naruto and FUNi's One Piece are supposedly bad.
Then they say "the only anime that's better in English is DBZ."
It's even funnier when they rag on Kai's dub.
I guess I'm a rare gem in that I like both Nozawa AND Schemmel's different takes on Goku. The former is an irreplaceable classic by a veteran of voicing young (and young at heart) males, while the latter has vastly improved and really grown into the role since the early days of being plopped in to replace someone else.
There's a few characters' voices I still don't like that much on both languages' sides, but Goku isn't one of them.
It's even funnier when they rag on Kai's dub.
Nobody really hated on Kai's dub. Some just prefer Falconers music. Why is that such a big deal? Because you hardcore anime know it alls like the Japanese screechy voice over? Sorry that some people like to understand what's being said. I watch Japanese subbed anime all the time and the only English dubs I liked are DBZ's, Samurai Champloo, and Cowboy Bepops. That's it.
This movie will be the shittiest thing in the world. Where's the respect to Dragon Ball?????????? If Toriyama doesn't like the series then why he make the movie? To kill it? To show characters doing shitty stuff? Wheres the epicness of the Dragon Ball movies? This is not a Dragon Ball movie this is a bad dream, to make some money for Toriyama.
No the film is going to be awesome. This was a necessary gag scene, Vegeta redeems himself later by fighting Bills and not getting insta-raped.
Nobody really hated on Kai's dub. Some just prefer Falconers music. Why is that such a big deal? Because you hardcore anime know it alls like the Japanese screechy voice over? Sorry that some people like to understand what's being said. I watch Japanese subbed anime all the time and the only English dubs I liked are DBZ's, Samurai Champloo, and Cowboy Bepops. That's it.
Said nothing about Falcouner or whatever the hell,and yes,there is a segment of people who rag on Kai's dub and claim it's inferiority to the older FUNi dub.Check Youtube comments.
Said nothing about Falcouner or whatever the hell,and yes,there is a segment of people who rag on Kai's dub and claim it's inferiority to the older FUNi dub.Check Youtube comments.
Oh, my bad, true. Well yeah the Kai dub is good. Other then the original Japanese music I couldn't tell much of a difference to be honest. I stopped watching after Vegeta killed Zarbon for some reason.
So, I'll be seeing the movie in another counts eight hours and 25 minutes.
That's all I came here to say.
Wonder how long till it's subbed and online.
Wonder how long till it's subbed and online.
OP Film Z is getting a DVD/Blu-ray release in July, so I'd say this one will come out around September/October on DVD.. and then subs at the end of the year.
@Galaxy:
OP Film Z is getting a DVD/Blu-ray release in July, so I'd say this one will come out around September/October on DVD.. and then subs at the end of the year.
Such a looong wait. I really want to see Film Z as well.
I'm going to agree with the guys who think DBZ abridged Goku is the best version, voice wise
Someone who hasn't heard mario castañeda's goku can't make that statement.
I can't fairly compare him to the old lady, but I can to Abridged Goku and… Abridged Goku is better for a small margin.
I liked English Goku's voice from Funimation to be honest. Didn't really have anything against Falconers music or that dub at all. Sigh.
Yeah, it's true that a lot of people hate Kai. I even have some friends in real life that are like that.
They say "Kai changed and censored too much. They didn't need to make it, the original DBZ was the best because it was all about action. Now the new music and voices make Gohan and Freeza sound gay"
Of course they lose all credibility when they say that. I try to set them straight, but they're still blinded by nostalgia.
I love any time a person makes censorship complaints because there IS an uncut version and there ISN'T any censorship in it beyond removing nudity… Are there people who think that Goku and Gohan's little boy penis is vital to the plot?...
Also, EVERY Recast in that show was a godsend... But Schemmel honestly was not bad at all in Kai. I think his performance IN KAI is the best English Son Goku.
@Mikey:
They say "Kai changed and censored too much. They didn't need to make it, the original DBZ was the best because it was all about action. Now the new music and voices make Gohan and Freeza sound gay"
Yeah I miss the good old days with the extremely masculine Funimation Freeza.
Man, I thought I loved LittleKuriboh's Freeza before, but shit, that brought back some memories.
@Monkey:
Yeah I miss the good old days with the extremely masculine Funimation Freeza.
When I was a kid, I always thought Freeza was a creepy old lady.
A full Battle of Gods summary is out thanks to Kanzenshuu and Kei17!
Spoiler: it's a fun movie.
this movie sounds absolutely hilarious.
Agreed. It sounds really great
Apparently, the new 3-in-1 Manga volumes Viz are releasing are the closest we're ever getting to a Kanzenban release which is why they used the covers.
It won't be using the Kanzenban images, but Viz promises it will be "Completely Uncensored" for the first time, as well as being "Dragonball" the whole way through like in Japan. There won't be seperate "Dragonball" and "Dragonball Z" releases.
Well Viz. Took you a LONG time but you finally earned my money. This set will look nice beside my Japanese Kanzenban.
Also, the Battle of Gods program apparently confirms Beers' and Whis' name puns. "Birusu" was originally meant to be a corruption of "Virus" and that was going to be his name, but during production, it got mis-interpreted by other staff members as "Beers" (as in the drink) and that lead to Whis' name which is just the first few characters of "Whiskey".
So, even if it didn't start out that way, the Official names are "Beer" and "Whiskey" so it's "Beers" and "Whis".
Todos ustedes estan equivocados, Mario Castañeda is best Goku.
Agreed tenfold. Latin American Dragonball > all Dragonball
And this movie sounds really fun. More like original DB than DBZ. Not taking itself seriously, having a unique villain that isn't just about killing people for the hell of it, etc.
From the spoilers Iv'e been reading about the movie it appears toriyama has stepped up his writing chops lots of stuff I didn't expect from him
From the spoilers Iv'e been reading about the movie it appears toriyama has stepped up his writing chops lots of stuff I didn't expect from him
Or maybe its just been 20 years since he last did anything and he's not on a weekly grind this time?
I know Toriyama was not happy with Dragonball Evolution, so he probably figured he should put some more muscle into this film, too.
Todos ustedes estan equivocados, Mario Castañeda is best Goku.
I second this, I grew up watching Dragon Ball with mexican voice actors
I second this, I grew up watching Dragon Ball with mexican voice actors
Me too!
The old times of latinoamerican dubbing were the best
Apparently, the new 3-in-1 Manga volumes Viz are releasing are the closest we're ever getting to a Kanzenban release which is why they used the covers.
It won't be using the Kanzenban images, but Viz promises it will be "Completely Uncensored" for the first time, as well as being "Dragonball" the whole way through like in Japan. There won't be seperate "Dragonball" and "Dragonball Z" releases.
Interesting, I was thinking about picking up big viz but was wondering how bad the censorship was. Guess I'll just wait for these.
But also I'm thinking of picking up the Dragonball colored volumes from Japan that recently came out. Anyone here bought them? If so what do you think of them? I'm gonna scour google also for opinions I guess.
@Yuugi's:
I know Toriyama was not happy with Dragonball Evolution, so he probably figured he should put some more muscle into this film, too.
So… let me get this straight, the writer of DB:E was working with AT himself but thought he could write a better story than the guy who created one of the most series of all time?
Holy shit.
I can only imagine what the movie would've been like had they just listened to him, but… you could only go UP from that.
I guess Astro Boy and Speed Racer will be the only movies that try to follow the source material.
There's apparently a line of dialogue in the new movie that suggests Goku in his normal "base" state isn't stronger than Freeza yet. Some fan-communities are crying heresy and denouncing the whole movie over it and with a small handful of other power levels-related things they don't like. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Is that really wrong? We've been given no grounds to believe that Goku can. Goku could barely hurt Freeza in his 50% form….. and I mean barely. A FP Kamehameha burned Freeza's hand and that was using Kaioken which technically isn't even Goku's "Power"
You'd be surprised at what some power-levels-centric fans go on to deem as "impossible" or inversely "necessary."
Movie had a pretty good opening. Can't compare to One Piece Z/Evangelion 3.0, of course, but it easily beats by a large margin the first weekend of every other recent big franchise movie (Hunter x Hunter, Naruto, Fairy Tail, etc).
Ahahahahaha, even Sheng Long speaks politely.
I gotta check this movie out when it comes out on BD.
Movie had a pretty good opening. Can't compare to One Piece Z/Evangelion 3.0, of course, but it easily beats by a large margin the first weekend of every other recent big franchise movie (Hunter x Hunter, Naruto, Fairy Tail, etc).
Honestly, I'm surprised it didn't at least beat Evangelion. I would've thought a new Dragonball movie would've made an insane amount of money.
Got a question about the movie
! Sooooooo umm…. are we ever gonna see the other 11 gods of destruction? or is beating bills and whis it
! I mean this could go one of two ways
! A: next movie they beat both bad guys.... and that's a wrap,
only one more movie
! or
! B: they beat the bad guys but out of the 12 universes, universe 7 is the weakest.... 11 more gods of destruction and possible martial arts masters/other opponents
lots of room for new series, (hopefully not like GT)
Got a question about the movie
! Sooooooo umm…. are we ever gonna see the other 11 gods of destruction? or is beating bills and whis it
! I mean this could go one of two ways
! A: next movie they beat both bad guys.... and that's a wrap,
only one more movie
! or
! B: they beat the bad guys but out of the 12 universes, universe 7 is the weakest.... 11 more gods of destruction and possible martial arts masters/other opponents
lots of room for new series, (hopefully not like GT)
! Goku doesn't even beat Bils and Uils though.
He gets owned by Bils at 70% strength, and Uils is even stronger.
! This is one movie where Goku is completely humbled by superior beings
! Goku doesn't even beat Bils and Uils though.
He gets owned by Bils at 70% strength, and Uils is even stronger.
! This is one movie where Goku is completely humbled by superior beings
! ….. But they say they'll be back in three years, which sets it up for a squeal
! so obviously goku will have to train in super saiyan god mode, since he was just newly accustomed to it he can probably still get a lot stronger, more training always gets them stronger ridiculously fast
! and vegeta says he'll get that form too, so maybe they'll team up or fusion to beat whis
! there obviously not just gonna have this guy beat Goku in a huge movie, say his master is even stronger then him... and then say he'll be back in three years, and never follow up on a sequel to show what happens
! so the question is, does it end with Whis next movie or is there more in store, like 11 more gods of destruction
! The other eleven gods of destruction are based off of the chinese zodiac, aren't they
@Cyan:
! The other eleven gods of destruction are based off of the chinese zodiac, aren't they
! Something like that would be cool, but I doubt anything so intricate or symbolic was planned. Beers' design is just based off of Toriyama's own cat. Apparently his original design was lizard-like.
…Which reminds me, the two antagonists' names have been officially confirmed as Beers and Whis, puns off of "beer" and "whiskey." Beers/"Birusu" in his original form, as a really bad guy who first made the Saiyans of old evil, was named for "virus." But when Toriyama went in and reworked the character, he apparently didn't get the memo. He thought the pun was "beer," and so he worked from that and created the other guy as "Whis" from "whiskey" to pair up with him. Toei apparently decided to adopt Toriyama's version, and their names appear in English as "Beers" and "Whis" in the movie's theatrical pamphlet/program.
You'd be surprised at what some power-levels-centric fans go on to deem as "impossible" or inversely "necessary."
All the fans who sit and debate Battle Power Ratings all day really drive me nuts…
I mean, the story itself portrayed Battle Power Ratings as being unreliable and frankly stupid to rely on since pretty much every character who relies on them has their expectations blown right out of the water and gets hilariously crushed because of it. I mean, Vegeta even states on Namek after he figured out how to sense Ki and suppress his own that relying on the scouters and their Battle Power Rating readings was moronic.
That being said, crap like this can always be hand-waved away by saying that Son was suppressing his Ki when Beers was getting a good read on him or something like that anyway.
Even still, there's no evidence leading to the idea that anyone in base form can beat Freiza. In fact, there's more evidence pointing to the exact opposite. (I'm not including GT, because lol no)
Goku and Vegeta had to turn super saiyan in "Yo! Son Goku and Friends return!" to deflect the blast of Avo and Cado and he was only freeza level.
Yeah, it's always been something that's up in the air and open to interpretation. But some people who think about that sort of thing too much can become VERY opinionated about it, and usually all pretty strongly towards one side.
Got my V-Jump #05/2013 yesterday, I scanned special poster with Akira Toriyama´s illustration for Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods in Super-HQ (the best you´d find in the Internet).
Please give credits if you post this scan in another web/forum and don´t delete my watermark ^^
New Weekly Shonen Jump scans too.
Supreme Kai?!? Where's Kibito Kai? They're now separated from the fusion?
The new Dragon ball movie looks pretty dry. I love DB as much as the next guy, and admire Tori for making the shonen genre the way it is now, but man…...
The new Dragon ball movie looks pretty dry. I love DB as much as the next guy, and admire Tori for making the shonen genre the way it is now, but man…...
I think the plot is hilarious. I don't think AT has been going for "threatening" or "Dark" tones after the Cell arc.
I can understand why people wouldn't like it though.