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The Monet Problem: An Arlong Park Wager
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I say we ban everyone who is wrong.
What if Oda doesn't explain it? She's 'dead' until she somehow shows up again?
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What if Oda doesn't explain it? She's 'dead' until she somehow shows up again?
He will probably explain it sooner or later.
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It's interesting to note that every admin, moderator, envoy and senior member (except for one) who voted, voted for 'Not Dead'.
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That'll just make for interesting avatars for a lot of the higher ups.
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That'll just make for interesting avatars for a lot of the higher ups.
Right, because Monet is definitely dead…
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So, what happens if we don't hear anything more about Monet's life status? Assume she is dead?
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that's not fair. if we got no news of her ever again then oda win and everybody lose.
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It's interesting to note that every admin, moderator, envoy and senior member (except for one) who voted, voted for 'Not Dead'.
I wouldn't be surprised if stephen already knew the outcome.
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Voting Dead - but I am not taking part in the wager. I'm not confident enough for that.
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I wouldn't be surprised if stephen already knew the outcome.
Maybe… He should start to give us some riddles :ninja
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It's interesting to note that every admin, moderator, envoy and senior member (except for one) who voted, voted for 'Not Dead'.
This is why I went with dead on the first place, even though there's a good chance of Monet surviving.
It's just more fun to go against the majority in this case, especially if it includes the senior and above members.
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I'm just surprised a crappy character like Brownbeard has had so many revivals. He wasn't even supposed to be alive before this arc started. Then he keeps ketting the crap blasted out of him with guns, explosions, etc and coming back in a couple chapters like nothing happened, letting everyone ride on his back and all that.
If Monet does survive, maybe Law will have saved her heart and they'll have beaten Doflamingo, so maybe she'll join Law.
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I'm just surprised a crappy character like Brownbeard has had so many revivals. He wasn't even supposed to be alive before this arc started. Then he keeps ketting the crap blasted out of him with guns, explosions, etc and coming back in a couple chapters like nothing happened, letting everyone ride on his back and all that.
I think you're forgetting the guy who bit his tongue at the Sabaondy slave auction was still alive by the end of that arc.
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I'm just surprised a crappy character like Brownbeard has had so many revivals. He wasn't even supposed to be alive before this arc started. Then he keeps ketting the crap blasted out of him with guns, explosions, etc and coming back in a couple chapters like nothing happened, letting everyone ride on his back and all that.
If Monet does survive, maybe Law will have saved her heart and they'll have beaten Doflamingo, so maybe she'll join Law.
Eh it's not as if explosions ever work against anybody in shonen.
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Brownbeard sucks though.
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Huh. I thought everyone in the poll was taking part as well.
Edit: Oh. I see it in the OP now.
Nah, the problem with polls is people will vote without even knowing what's going on. and that's definitely the case here. I wanted to make sure everyone knew what they were getting into.
It's the same thing - doesn't really matter if you write a comment or not (let's remember that the author of this thread doubted that Caribou is Logia, after it was confirmed, so nonsense like this doesn't surprise me).
I didn't doubt Caribou was a logia, I was asking where it was confirmed in the manga, as I missed it. The minute I saw Pekoms said it, I was like "cool." You gotta remember, anything dealing the The 'Bou happened during Fishmen Island, and even on rereads I simply skim that arc. Nice try.
And if would actually read,it does matter if you vote or comment, and if you could read you would see that the number of votes is far from the number of people participating. But I'm gonna put you down anyway.
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The idea of having two lists of people (showing the same thing) just doesn't make sense. If you want everyone to write a comment, remove the poll.
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What if Oda doesn't explain it? She's 'dead' until she somehow shows up again?
He'll do it at the start of the next coverstory, if not in the epilogue of this arc. That's pretty much the concession point.
Though that may be as far as a year off, depending on how long Caribou's story takes. Caribou's story can be 10-30 more chapters, 10 Strawhats with animals, a color spread every 5 weeks or so for 5-10 of those, and a handful of other "where are they nows" before the next coverstory starts, means anywhere between 30 and 70 chapters.
I think you're forgetting the guy who bit his tongue at the Sabaondy slave auction was still alive by the end of that arc.
Faster than that… the very next chapter!
@Nex:
Nah, the problem with polls is people will vote without even knowing what's going on. and that's definitely the case here. I wanted to make sure everyone knew what they were getting into.
Two different lists saying the same thing IS confusing. Leave it as just the poll. It'll be a year before the next cover story and people will forget about this thread entirely. There's so many people on there and that's so far off that not everyone is going to follow up on the bet anyway. Leave it as just the poll and let anyone who wanted to bet on it… pay it off when the time comes, rather than keeping track of two near identical lists.
You should update the first post to say when the win/lose condition sets in, I'm getting tired of saying "by the next coverstory".
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Would like to see Jimbei in a cover story… whatever he had to do besides take Caribou to the marines, leading up to when we see him reunite with the strawhats.
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The idea of having two lists of people (showing the same thing) just doesn't make sense. If you want everyone to write a comment, remove the poll.
Once again, if you would read the first post I didn't add the poll. It was added later, despite my request that it not be.
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I would have liked a public poll… Only to laugh at those usernames whenever I see them posting.
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Nex's say-it-here stance is to to differentiate between the "herpderp, poll, me click, bye" users and the "oh look, it's a bet, i've read about it and agree to abide by the rules of this wager" users :P
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@Nex:
Once again, if you would read the first post I didn't add the poll. It was added later, despite my request that it not be.
Would be nice if you could decide on the punishment (just in case Monet shows up in the next chapter).
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Nex's say-it-here stance is to to differentiate between the "herpderp, poll, me click, bye" users and the "oh look, it's a bet, i've read about it and agree to abide by the rules of this wager" users :P
It doesn't matter. Unless she's shown alive in the next handful of chapters, this bet will fall to the wayside and out of people's memories, and there's no way 147 people are going to do it ANYWAY. Just let the people that know and accept that its a bet remember when the time comes.
Its still a random restriction, because even saying "You have to post and take an active interest in the discussion to be betting" is silly because thats STILL easily missable and lets people goof up.
For instance, I don't believe I ever said and agreed "I am now betting" or anything along those lines. I came, voted on the poll, and stated "Oda has a track history with certain conditions" like a normal discussion, yet I'm on the start list. How many others does that apply to?
(For the record, I am now, at THIS MOMENT, saying "I am betting." I'm fine with it, but just making an example.) You need people to make a definitive statement, you can't just assume because they're talking that means they're up for the bet. That's just as arbitrary as "they posted in the poll!" You need a "Is that your final answer?" coverage.
That… or just assume those who are willing to take on the bet... WILL when the time comes. It's just for fun anyway, no need to be an exacting listmaker on the matter and try to force everyone at the end to go along with it.
Would be nice if you could decide on the punishment (just in case Monet shows up in the next chapter).
Sig or avatar thingie with Pell's face stamped onto something embarassing. SOme people already made some a few pages back, but really it needs to be a much smaller image since so many people are going to be displaying it.
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Not dead. Dofla-'s coming to save Vergo and Monet's ass. She got stabbed in the heart with an icicle, and she's eaten the snow fruit. That's like burning magma with fire..
…No, wait, fxck the AceXAkainu scenario - she's not dead. Her death isn't half as significant as Ace and WB's death. This's gonna' be another Pell scene. She's still got too much to give to the story, if only for the Dofla-related arcs. Also, who else is Robin gonna' show off her new haki skill in front of? In the last chapters Franky's lifted the standards of the mid-tier by about a mile. Robin needs to step up somehow, and I think Monet'll be the girl who'll allow this to be demonstrated.
Oda always rolls like this - NW or no NW. People don't die in the Odaverse w/o a massive reason. Getting stabbed in the heart by CC is not good enough, 'specially after Smoker+Law managed to survive multiple heart beatings. Yeah, there's blood everywhere, but that happens after every fight. She'll make it make to Dressrosa in one piece. Her 'Young Master' has a role for her yet.
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Would be nice if you could decide on the punishment (just in case Monet shows up in the next chapter).
Sorry, keep forgetting to update the first post with it:
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[/hide]Now we just need to settle on a time frame for the losers. It's a one week minimum, but does anyone think it should be longer?
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Nice ones… xD
Just want to see who will stick to his word after all... I for one would say everyone who voted should wear it :ninja:
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Now we just need to settle on a time frame for the losers. It's a one week minimum, but does anyone think it should be longer?Yeah, those won't work. They're waaaay beyond the 200x500 proportions that are sig rules for the site.
And even 200x500 is too much given how many people will ultimately be using them. Something more in the 100x500 range would be more appropriate. (Plus they should say something about the bet.) Otherwise it'll annoy the crap out of everyone. (Everyone with the same avatar is a no-no as well, that's just confusing.)
As for the timeframe… depends on how long it takes to get to the reveal. If Monet's alive in the next three weeks, it should be a very minor bet. A week is fine. But if it takes a year to get to the coverstory, thats a lot of buildup... bet should be two weeks, or even longer at that point.
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Yeah, those won't work. They're waaaay beyond the 200x500 proportions that are sig rules for the site.
And even 200x500 is too much given how many people will ultimately be using them. Something more in the 150x500 or even 100x500 range would be more appropriate. (Plus they should say something about the bet.)
As for the timeframe… depends on how long it takes to get to the reveal. If Monet's alive in the next three weeks, it should be a very minor bet. A week is fine. But if it takes a year to get t othe coverstory, thats a lot of buildup... bet should be two weeks, or even longer at that point.
Alright, I'll shrink them down. We could use the User Title to mention something about the bet. "Monet Wager Loser" or something. It might not be feasible to put writing on the picture.
This should work: here is the first one at 200X136 Seems a bit too small to me. Are you listing HXW or WXH? The resizer I'm using has it as the latter, so if this is the case, then I should be able to make them bigger than this.
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200 pixels high, 500 wide is the limit. (My sig is the max size.) And again, for a sig that a LOT of people will be using, it should be even smaller than that, or else it will annoy EVERYONE on the forum. 100x500 is probably better.
rather than scaling it down, Just crop it instead, take off the leg part and that'll narrow the whole thing considerably.
…and shouldn't it be something Monet related?
Not dead. Dofla-'s coming to save Vergo and Monet's ass. She got stabbed in the heart with an icicle, and she's eaten the snow fruit. That's like burning magma with fire..
…No, wait, fxck the AceXAkainu scenario - she's not dead.
No witnesses, no one to react to her death, no one to check her and announce "She's dead!" no one there to bury the body. Didn't complete her last dream, didn't pass on her dream, her sacrifice meant nothing, no smile at the end… and she's not a one chapter mook thats vaguely being off paneled. She's fine.
It's pretty reminiscent of Crocodile stabbing Robin while rocks fall around them, actually.
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Using Pell makes sense if she isn't dead, but what if she is dead?
And what if she isn't dead yet, but is dying? What happens to the bet then? Does it count if she actually dies a few chapters from now? (We could still have the dying wish to pass on her dream, and a smile at the end…)
(Though I'm not even participating of the bet... )
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Using Pell makes sense if she isn't dead, but what if she is dead?
And what if she isn't dead yet, but is dying? What happens to the bet then? Does it count if she actually dies a few chapters from now? (We could still have the dying wish to pass on her dream, and a smile at the end…)
(Though I'm not even participating of the bet... )
I voted not dead for this reason, she'll get finished off later lol
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Like I said, if Monet is alive, but still dies from this wound, the "dead" camp wins. If she dies from something not related to this wound later on, the "Not Dead" camp wins.
This also includes if Doflamingo finds her and goes "yup this wound's gonna kill you, let me kill you first to ease your suffering."
Also, why does everyone think Monet is going to die with a smile on her face? She's a villain, not a good guy. She is an evil demonic harpy who is just as guilty as Caesar for what's been done to the children.
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Like I said, if Monet is alive, but still dies from this wound, the "dead" camp wins. If she dies from something not related to this wound later on, the "Not Dead" camp wins.
This also includes if Doflamingo finds her and goes "yup this wound's gonna kill you, let me kill you first to ease your suffering."
Also, why does everyone think Monet is going to die with a smile on her face? She's a villain, not a good guy. She is an evil demonic harpy who is just as guilty as Caesar for what's been done to the children.
And, as for her dream, it's for Dofla to fulfill his dream, or so I've gathered. But still: villain.You are failing to take into account Oda's history… He has been very consistent with regards to death. Nobody, good or bad, died outside of a flashback (no matter how bad, or how much they deserved it, or even how much it seemed like they would definitely die) unless the death had a lot of meaning (Ace and Whitebeard).
On previous discussions in this forum, about several issues similar to this one, the people who based their opinions on an analysis of how Oda wrote his story so far, usually end up being the right ones. (Reason why Stephen almost always won his discussions and bets. BTW, look in which option he voted in the poll.)
Of course, Oda could be setting new ground rules after the New Romance Dawn, or maybe it is something particular for the New World, allowing "less significant" deaths just to show that this really is the worst of all the oceans, but at this point this is all conjecture and is very unlikely, after all this would be the very first occurrence. So it is very possible that he will save Monet somehow, no matter how unreal that may seem for us right now, for someone who got her heart stabbed.