Ill join for DEAD
The Monet Problem: An Arlong Park Wager
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Ill join for DEAD
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Not dead, until Oda proves otherwise.
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Not dead. Few things about her character still throw me off (smiling at Chopper running off, saying she was scared of Joker).
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Not dead. Few things about her character still throw me off (smiling at Chopper running off, saying she was scared of Joker).
Meh, maybe she was just humouring him; thinking escape is a fool's errand.
Did Monet say that? I thought it was just, "If something happens to Caesar, Joker will kill me." -
Meh, I see something else happening to her before she dies. She hasn't existed long enough
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@Zp1:
There's already an answer to this. Aokiji's power is able to compensate for missing a leg (confirmed). Which means that it's not really that much more of a stretch to think that somehow the parts of Monet's heart that got damaged can be temporarily held in place by a mini-frozen snow wall.
There's a difference between giving oneself the equivalent of a peg leg, and fixing a shredded heart. Blood doesn't have to flow through Aokiji's leg,it would Monet's heart.
There should be a "Monet's fate never gets mentioned again; everyone remains convinced they were right" option to the poll.
If she's never mentioned again, the general assumption would be that she's dead, since the last thing we saw her doing was dying.
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Meh, I see something else happening to her before she dies. She hasn't existed long enough
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1 chapter. :sad:
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@Nex:
If she's never mentioned again, the general assumption would be that she's dead, since the last thing we saw her doing was dying.
if that's the case then oda won and we all lose. we all have to do the punishment.
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@Nex:
There's a difference between giving oneself the equivalent of a peg leg, and fixing a shredded heart. Blood doesn't have to flow through Aokiji's leg,it would Monet's heart.
The difference you speak of doesn't really exist in the manga world. We're talking about the same world in where someone like Zoro can suffer life-ending internal injuries on a regular basis and survive via the miraculous powers of bandages alone.
All Oda has to do is show an image of mini-snow walls filling in the holes from Caesar's stab. Simple as that really.
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maybe this will count for nothing, but i reread the last 2 chapters where monet was about to press the button, i noticed that after her heart got stabbed, snow began to fall around her..(in which from chapter 693-694 before that incident, its not snowing)…..plus, i checked it to confirm the "she coughed blood" part by galaxy9000....monet was actually coughing blood as early as chapter 693...and when she got stabbed (please someone correct me if im wrong) the speech bubble only indicated her as being surprised.
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i also took a good look at robbybevard's piercing angle and it seems he is right...its not blood, it the actual blurred image the icicle piercing "through the box" and not directly through the heart...the image got distorted because i supposed its some kind of jellybox or something.....plus, i remember a theory where it was said the con of law's power is he actually cannot kill anyone he cuts. or he is basically incapable of killing....or maybe its connected to monet being a logia or being snow or being stabbed by ice (note: enel shocking himself automatically)....well anyways, i can see many explanations where oda can pull to say that monet (and vergo) survived. and we might be surprised its actually not that complicated.
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"ITS the actual blurred image OF the icicle piercing..."----dammit, typo
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can we have an undead section added to the poll. You know? in case of moriah
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Monet IS a logia, although her heart can't turn into snow in that box, as we saw with Smoker…
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@Nex:
If she's never mentioned again, the general assumption would be that she's dead, since the last thing we saw her doing was dying.
But given the "anyone can come back at any time" nature of One Piece, when can we really say that she won't ever be seen or mentioned again? At the end of the series? I mean, I'd be all for that, but I don't know if everyone else would be willing to wait that long. That being said, I'd be more than willing to concede if Monet really isn't mentioned.
Additionally, what if she survives the heart stab, but something else kills her later? Does the wager still hold, or does it only apply to this particular wound?
Just want to make things clear, as I like to know what the conditions are when I wager.
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But given the "anyone can come back at any time" nature of One Piece, when can we really say that she won't ever be seen or mentioned again? At the end of the series? I mean, I'd be all for that, but I don't know if everyone else would be willing to wait that long. That being said, I'd be more than willing to concede if Monet really isn't mentioned.
Assuming she isn't shown alive before then, I think after the next set of "where are they now" coverstories would be the fair time to concede one way or another.
So, after Carbiou's cover story finishes (could take anywhere from 10-30 chapters), a batch of Strawhats playing with animals (10 or 11 images depending on if Carou gets one again) some color spreads (6-15 in the course of a year) followed by a string of 8-10 shots of characters from this arc surviving before it locks into the actual next coverstory.
That's a ways away, at least a year, (unless Caribou's story is super short) but its Oda's typical pattern for revealing survivors of an arc. (Just look at CP9.) It'll be a while, but its a much more reasonable arbitrary point than "the end of the series." Bon Kurei took a little longer to show than that, but timeskip was special circumstances.
It's not beyond Oda to squeeze in a character that might have died at other times at a later date (like Mr. 9 or T-Bone) but… next set of cover stories seems fair.
Additionally, what if she survives the heart stab, but something else kills her later? Does the wager still hold, or does it only apply to this particular wound?
Only applies to this particular death, since its the one being called on yaye or naye.
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Good enough. Although I would like to request that we at least wait for the whole Doflamingo saga to finish itself out before we make any judgments? Assuming that ends after the next set of coverstories.
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I don't think anyone is under the impression that Monet shouldn't be dead, everyone is agreement with that
stabbed through the heart = death
were all agree on that, I think were just under the impression, even though there should be no possible way for her to be alive, Oda will somehow make it happen
I honestly want her to be dead and more deaths in the New World I just don't think Oda will go through with it
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I'm voting dead. I'm know the odds are against it, but even despite being a Logia I feel she should die from having her exposed heart stabbed with anything. She wasn't aware of what was happening and shouldn't be able defend against it.
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I don't think anyone is under the impression that Monet shouldn't be dead, everyone is agreement with that
stabbed through the heart = death
Once again, not entirely true, especially if the icicle stays in the heart and she's given medical treatment. Cardiac puncture wounds are not an instant death like everyone seems to believe. If she survives despite those conditions though, even I would be calling nonsense.
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Voting Dead. I'm doubting anybody will get to her in time to give her medical treatment.
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As Pell got medical treatement… Oh wait he should have been blown up into million of pieces
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Monet is dead like a Dodo.
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She is not dead, it's oda he doesn't kill his characters unless it's very important, just look at pell
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Why does everyone keep pointing to Pell as the weird unexpected survivor?
We didn't see Pell next to the bomb. The idea that he was still holding the bomb when it went off is just the audience's dramatic tension and storytelling sacrifice instincts going off filling in that blank.
We saw a dot in the sky vanish from sight, and then an explosion. There is absolutely nothing to indicate Pell was actually still holding the bomb when it exploded. He easily could have tossed it further into the sky away from himself at the last second. (Obviously he took SOME of the force of the blast and was knocked a ways away… but there is nothing visually showing he was actually at the center of the blast.)
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There's also the Albastan Royal Guards.
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@RobbyBevard:
Why does everyone keep pointing to Pell as the weird unexpected survivor?
We didn't see Pell next to the bomb. The idea that he was still holding the bomb when it went off is just the audience's dramatic tension and storytelling sacrifice instincts going off filling in that blank.
We saw a dot in the sky vanish from sight, and then an explosion. There is absolutely nothing to indicate Pell was actually still holding the bomb when it exploded. He easily could have tossed it further into the sky away from himself at the last second. (Obviously he took SOME of the force of the blast and was knocked a ways away… but there is nothing visually showing he was actually at the center of the blast.)
You forgot the moment when Pell noticed that refrigerator and hid himself inside. /jk
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I'm going with dead. If that really was her heart.. It just got stabbed so she has to die.If she doesn't i'll be very unsatisfied.
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I'm really surprised that so many people believe that she's dead.
So very surprised!
LA LA LAAAAAA. LA LA LA LA!(-Dearly Beloved)
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Sign me up for NOT dead.
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Not Dead. And I'll go on to wager that Vergo isn't dead either.
Common guys, have you guys forgotten the past almost 700 chapters?
Dead side, of course. Or the New World is not that "new".
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Monet is not dead.
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Kind of an aside, but I'm confused why people think surviving a heart stabbing or not determines whether the New World is dangerous. Why would it be any different than back in Paradise?
It's "dangerous" because of natural phenomena, the weather, and the big shots dwelling there.
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There's definitely a risk in wagering she's dead, considering that it's One Piece, but it's more fun to takes risks, imo. Makes it more interesting if there's an equal amount of winners and losers.
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Gonna go with dead.
I know Oda has a tendency to not kill anybody but I think hes gonna move past that a bit in the new world. Peoples deaths should be a common thing for such a dangerous place so why not show it by killing a character in a brutal way like this. Shows that shits serious in the new world.
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She's not dead.
I think we should divide the "not dead" option in two :
- Not dead with no explanation (ala Pell)
- Not dead with an explanation (ex : we see Law fixing her heart)
I'm in the "Not dead with an explanation" camp.
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Although she SHOULD BE dead, I think she's not…and I'll go even further and say that maybe she will join the strawhats...she worked for a maniac like robin and nami did...maybe franky will save her somehow.
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Just read the chapter, and am going with dead.
If she survives, Ace will be sad.
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i hope she is dead, then again i know she isnt… damn you oda, such a great writer.
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As someone else pointed out getting stabbed in the heart doesn't always = DEAD.
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I'm really surprised that so many people believe that she's dead.
So very surprised!
Many people are new to One Piece.
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I'm not new.
But I know well enough - if you see it and it's on panel, dem bitches be dead.
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I'm not new.
But I know well enough - if you see it and it's on panel, dem bitches be dead.
e.g. Ace, Whitebeard, Monet…Falling forward doesn't immediately suggest death. We haven't seen her eyes close.
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When your heart gets stabbed and it bleeds out that pretty much means that your dead. Shes dead give it up guy. Ace had an arm go through his torso and he died. She got stabbed in the heart and died. Finally oda is killing off characters that are not important to the story.
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@RobbyBevard:
Why does everyone keep pointing to Pell as the weird unexpected survivor?
We didn't see Pell next to the bomb. The idea that he was still holding the bomb when it went off is just the audience's dramatic tension and storytelling sacrifice instincts going off filling in that blank.
We saw a dot in the sky vanish from sight, and then an explosion. There is absolutely nothing to indicate Pell was actually still holding the bomb when it exploded. He easily could have tossed it further into the sky away from himself at the last second. (Obviously he took SOME of the force of the blast and was knocked a ways away… but there is nothing visually showing he was actually at the center of the blast.)
I've always thought Pagaya's instance was worse than Pell's. Maybe Igaram's as well.
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@Dr.:
Finally oda is killing off characters that are not important to the story.
As long as there are unanswered questions, she might be alive. The most important of them are: why did she let Chopper go? Was she the one who give Chopper that note? And if so why?
As for how she survived, given the fact that she is a logia and her heart was out of her body due to Law's power, Oda can write a decent explanation for her survival anytime.
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I've always thought Pagaya's instance was worse than Pell's. Maybe Igaram's as well.
Robin saved Igaram at the last moment, so his survival makes sense.
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She didnt see chopper as a threat or she didnt directly see him but might have just heard something around the corner. It was law who sent the paper flying at him. No one would see chopper as a threat because of his tiny body. She is a logia but her heart isnt in its place for it to turn to snow therefor it remained solid and she died. She doesnt have to cry and give a story about her life like ace did. Oda is just killing off a character that doesnt belong in the story anymore. The reason why people question her death is because you all liked her character, just like any other new girl character and automatically assume she is NN material. I would like to give people some harsh reality. She is not and baby 5 isnt either :'(. How many crews have we seen with more then 2 women on them besides the kuja pirates? The last 2 member will be guys. Jinbe and 1 more guy. You cant beat yonkou's with weak women in the crew. Shes dead, niff said.
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@Dr.:
You cant beat yonkou's with weak women in the crew.
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I wouldnt even consider her a women. I dont see any other girls at her level or even close to it. She is probably the only exception.
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