I swear, if Jinbe was a girl or was less fat and looked slightly cooler, we'd almost never have these stupid arguments, especially at this juncture.
(Personally, I love his design, its very distinct. Though I prefer his flashback hair by far.)
I swear, if Jinbe was a girl or was less fat and looked slightly cooler, we'd almost never have these stupid arguments, especially at this juncture.
(Personally, I love his design, its very distinct. Though I prefer his flashback hair by far.)
Which goes back to what I was saying. They were land fights because SH were land fighters.
Besides your number of half is actually very generous, and it would give Jinbe awesome shining fights every other adventure. Which is more to be said than most.
That's not entirely true, I mean Ussop is a Sniper yet there has never been a sniper vs sniper. There probably aren't any naval battle in the series or large amount of water battle because the ocean, while vast is never the subject of the arc, its always the island. In fact the only time your guaranteed a particularity type of fight in One Piece is a sword fight, because Zoro is on the crew, everyone else fights characters with move-sets not really similar to their own.
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@RobbyBevard:
I swear, if Jinbe was a girl or was less fat and looked slightly cooler, we'd almost never have these stupid arguments, especially at this juncture.
(Personally, I love his design, its very distinct. Though I prefer his flashback hair by far.)
What's with you and the whole "if he was a girl" thing?
If he was a girl we run run into the same problems we're having now. Too strong, too experienced, too boring.
@Superbear:
That's not entirely true, I mean Ussop is a Sniper yet there has never been a sniper vs sniper. There probably aren't any naval battle in the series or large amount of water battle because the ocean, while vast is never the subject of the arc, its always the island. In fact the only time your guaranteed a particularity type of fight in One Piece is a sword fight, because Zoro is on the crew, everyone else fights characters with move-sets not really similar to their own.
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What's with you and the whole "if he was a girl" thing?
If he was a girl we run run into the same problems we're having now. Too strong, too experienced, too boring.
No, Usopp uses his kabuto ALL the time. It's simply not effective most of the time.
Sanji got a move that lets him walk on sky. What happens? Suddenly we're treated to his sky walking and sea walking.
You think Oda is gonna relegate Jinbe to a background karate chopping statue?
You people give so little credit to the author, of course he's gonna have a fishman do his fishman thing. Sheesh.
@Superbear:
What's with you and the whole "if he was a girl" thing?
If he was a girl we run run into the same problems we're having now. Too strong, too experienced, too boring.
Hancock would like to have a word with you.
No, Usopp uses his kabuto ALL the time. It's simply not effective most of the time.
Which he uses for sniping, he's a sniper, yet he has never fought a person that snipes, or even a guns-man for that matter. I guess there's Chew but that's a bit of a stretch. Other than Chew, he hasn't fought any other marksman. Also Brook's first fight as a member wasn't against a musicain or a swordsman.
@RobbyBevard:
I swear, if Jinbe was a girl or was less fat and looked slightly cooler, we'd almost never have these stupid arguments, especially at this juncture.
(Personally, I love his design, its very distinct. Though I prefer his flashback hair by far.)
It would stop the joining arguments, but I don't think it would stop the power level arguments, those are a given.
Hancock would like to have a word with you.
I was never for her joining nor did I think she was going to join.
Hancock is a horrible crewmate option though. I don't think Jinbe is either right now but she's actually a worse candidate in pretty much every aspect. Therefor making Jinbei much more likely.
The Hancock reference is because she had a huge following and (at the time) the exact same issues as Jinbe: Shichibukai, tied to protecting an island, too strong, etc. She may as well have been Jinbe with boobs then and she was far more popular. Hence if Jinbe was a girl there'd be less arguing against him joining after he said he would after he takes care of business with Big Mam. Since the Hancock/Jinbe/shudderPerona days Jinbe's gotten more and more of what barred him from joining resolved, to now where the few remaining arguments (power level mainly) can be resolved by the time he comes back and says "hey, my stuff with Big Mam's taken care of, let's go Captain Luffy."
@Superbear:
What's with you and the whole "if he was a girl" thing?
Because people will make the most far fetched excuses possible for anything female, regardless of likelihood, power level, evilness, personality or how much they've appeared.
Hacock, Perona and Monet (even after she turned into a sharp toothed shoulder eating kid poisoning monster) all say hi. As does random theories about Koala, and Caimie, and Shirahoshi and Bonnie…
Meanwhile, Jinbe, who is pretty much signed and sealed, it still argued against... and its mostly because people think he's dull or looks stupid and fat. (When neither is true.)
The only thing I can think of that should be a negative for Jinbe is that he doesn't have a goofy quirk, which all the SHs have in some way or form. Even Robin has one with her morbid sense of humor/trolling her friends for her amusement.
@RobbyBevard:
Because people will make the most far fetched excuses possible for anything female, regardless of likelihood, power level, evilness, personality or how much they've appeared.
Hacock, Perona and Monet all say hi. As does Koala, and three eyed girl.
Meanwhile, Jinbe, who is pretty much signed and sealed, it still argued against… and its mostly because people think he's dull or looks stupid and fat. (When neither is true.)
cough, cough However one face fault makes a difference, pretty legit. Seriously though, jokes aside he is pretty dull, Robin is dull but atleast she has a morbid quirk and has interst in things that Luffy does not but Jinbe. He well um, kicks asses, which is good, and he, um, comes up with plans, which is… good?
@Superbear:
Which he uses for sniping, he's a sniper, yet he has never fought a person that snipes, or even a guns-man for that matter. I guess there's Chew but that's a bit of a stretch. Other than Chew, he hasn't fought any other marksman. Also Brook's first fight as a member wasn't against a musicain or a swordsman.
That has no relevance to what we're talking about.
Jinbe not being able to use his water moves is like Usopp without his plants or Zoro without his swords.
He's not going to be a boring karate-man. Like I said, you people give Oda way too little credit.
The only thing I can think of that should be a negative for Jinbe is that he doesn't have a goofy quirk, which all the SHs have in some way or form. Even Robin has one with her morbid sense of humor/trolling her friends for her amusement.
Robin didn't have her morbid humor until after she joined. Nor did she have the cutesy imagination quirk until Kuma showed up (used again in PH). Jinbe can easily get a quirk/gag. He's had a few humor scenes (more than just the one face fault, but some of the humor wasn't Franky-level of quirky or skull joke level). Hell the forum turned his "even if it costs me my life" thing from Marineford into a joke.
I dunno where people get the idea that Jinbe is weaker outside water when this is 90% false. Jinbe doesn't need to be in water to be powerful because people are MADE of water. Gyojin Karate manipulates water both inside people's bodies as well as the water in the atmosphere around them. Not to mention that since he's a fishman he can secrete water from his own body so there really shouldn't be any argument about this at all.
Honestly I think a big thing holding Jinbei back is the lack of a stated dream or goal to work towards. He's a nice guy and all that but those flashbacks didn't really cater to him as much as they did Shirahoshi and the struggle with Otohime and Tiger's ideals.
Another thing, I haven't seen a single complaint about Jinbei's design at all recently. Why do all the supporters hold that over anyone who'd argue against Jinbei joining? Jinbei's got a fun design and a bitchin' shape to me, I still don't think he's fleshed out enough to be a strawhat though. And he's been in the story for a damn long time now, like we've gone through three major arcs with the guy. That's not like it discredits him any, it's just a little odd to think about. I like him plenty unlike some apparently "stereotypical" others, as he is now though there's just something about him that doesn't fit to me, and I'm so frustrated that I can't put my finger on it.
I dunno where people get the idea that Jinbe is weaker outside water when this is 90% false.
Because Jinbe himself said so.
In water, he's even more formidable, hell he can throw the motherfucking ocean currents around.
Which is the primary concern for many, as he's practically unchallenged in ocean, he'd own too much.
Not to mention that since the days of Arlong, it was said that fishmen are stronger in water. Or am I mistaken?
Honestly I think a big thing holding Jinbei back is the lack of a stated dream or goal to work towards. He's a nice guy and all that but those flashbacks didn't really cater to him as much as they did Shirahoshi and the struggle with Otohime and Tiger's ideals.
Fishman Island's history was not his personal flashback, the same way Skypeia was not Wiper's. He was a part of that history and witnessed several big events, but it wasn't his story.
We still don't know how he got his scar, after Oda went to all the trouble of removing it consistently for the entirety of that flashback. That'll come back into play later.
He'll get his dream and personal extra motivation when its relevant to the story, probably some time around Big Mom's arc.
Also, Nami had been in the crew for 80 chapters before getting her flashback, and Robin was around starting in chapter 114, through the entire Crocodile saga, joined the crew through Skypeia, and the start of Water 7, and Vivi, Chopper and Franky's flashbacks before her backstory and proper dream was finally revealed, in chapter 390… 280 chapters, 26 volumes, and SEVEN YEARS LATER. And she didn't start developing her quirks until after that! Thriller bark was the first time her morbid sense of humor started coming in.
@RobbyBevard:
I swear, if Jinbe was a girl or was less fat and looked slightly cooler, we'd almost never have these stupid arguments, especially at this juncture. (Personally, I love his design, its very distinct. Though I prefer his flashback hair by far.)
Have you seen genderswapped Jinbei? Its pretty legit.
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@Superbear:
cough, cough However one face fault makes a difference, pretty legit. Seriously though, jokes aside he is pretty dull, Robin is dull but atleast she has a morbid quirk and has interst in things that Luffy does not but Jinbe. He well um, kicks asses, which is good, and he, um, comes up with plans, which is… good?
Mabye Jinbei will reveal his true personality like Robim n Franky did after joining.
At least the argument has moved on from Jinbe being "another jap omg."
For this argument, Aohige makes a good point. Characters will naturally be placed in interesting situations. That means they'll be placed in both ideal and inopportune situations. Jinbe will have his moments in or around water so that he can shine. He'll also have moments where he's stuck in a desert to humanize him and reinforce the entire crew is needed so other characters can shine. Oda will always come up with situations that only someone like Usopp or Nami can deal with.
I really hate the whole "experience" argument. Making such a claim is the same as declaring that Arabasta sucked because Vivi was familiar with the place, or Enies Lobby with Kokoro.
Isnt Brook, an "experiended pirate" too?
Brook never made it to the New World before so nobody cares. And those who claim they all need to be rookies just sort of ignore him and Robin.
Zolo isnt a rookie either. He was a know bounty hunter
A: Jinbe is awesome
B: He will join
C: Monster Trio will stay
The only thing I can think of that should be a negative for Jinbe is that he doesn't have a goofy quirk, which all the SHs have in some way or form. Even Robin has one with her morbid sense of humor/trolling her friends for her amusement.
That´s one of the best things about him, at least for me. The SHs is way too quirky, they lose more and more depth while being reduced to their respective quirks, so characters like Robin, Zoro, partially Nami and Jinbe are a nice addition to the crazy crew.
@Robby: Correct me if i´m wrong but the majority of the posts here were not about Jinbe joining or not but we were only talking about power scales and levels because somebody brought up Jinbe being too strong back at FI to join which i disagreed with and so forth. Superbear is the only one who disagrees with Jinbe joining as far as i know.
Robin didn't have her morbid humor until after she joined. Nor did she have the cutesy imagination quirk until Kuma showed up (used again in PH). Jinbe can easily get a quirk/gag. He's had a few humor scenes (more than just the one face fault, but some of the humor wasn't Franky-level of quirky or skull joke level). Hell the forum turned his "even if it costs me my life" thing from Marineford into a joke.
it would be kinda like kumadori. i also think that they are going after donflamingo (story telling wise) for a reason so as to prove that luffy is stronger than the top tier shichibukai. this would would allow a former member of the top tier to fit right in under a person who is now proven to be better than the position he held not to long ago.
it would be kinda like kumadori. i also think that they are going after donflamingo (story telling wise) for a reason so as to prove that luffy is stronger than the top tier shichibukai. this would would allow a former member of the top tier to fit right in under a person who is now proven to be better than the position he held not to long ago.
I can see what you're saying, but keep in mind that he has already defeated two Shichibukai. The ranking within them is not certain or concrete.
it would be kinda like kumadori. i also think that they are going after donflamingo (story telling wise) for a reason so as to prove that luffy is stronger than the top tier shichibukai. this would would allow a former member of the top tier to fit right in under a person who is now proven to be better than the position he held not to long ago.
Completely agree. Even if he defeated 2 Shichibukai already, we simply can't deny that he beat the first one with the thickest plot armor ever and the second with the combined efforts of his crew (beside the fact that Oda declared that Moriah's powers decreased over time).
The Straw Hats needs a Lookout, a blind one, that can only hear from a distance.
The Straw Hats needs a Lookout, a blind one, that can only hear from a distance.
Or Toph from avatar tla :ninja:
To be honest I was one of the people who didn't think Jinbei would join prior to Luffy asking him. I just didn't think anyone involved in the Marinford war would join his crew, that includes Hancock. So I was caught off guard when Luffy asked him. But I trust Oda can make t work. And not letting Jinbei join till later is key to me. But when he joins, assuming he doesn't die, there are 2 things that need to be addresed
1 Power Level/Bounty - I think when he joins Zoro/Sanji will be more powerful then him. Hell I already think Luffy and Zoro are. But what about the Bounty It's way to high for Zoro or Sanji to catch up with so quickly.
2 Motivation/Dream - It needs to be talked about, even if it ends up being that he wants to create peace with fishmen and humans and he thinks Luffy can make it possible. And even then The Straw Hats are probably all willing to give their lives so Luffy can be Pirate King, but will Jinbei. And does Jinbei still have his own crew or not? Mabye their deaths will help this issue out.
Aside from these issues, which Oda will make work, I would love Jinbei to join.
1 Power Level/Bounty - I think when he joins Zoro/Sanji will be more powerful then him. Hell I already think Luffy and Zoro are. But what about the Bounty It's way to high for Zoro or Sanji to catch up with so quickly.
How many times have I mentioned Robin's bounty being higher than Zoro's until Post-EL and still being higher than Sanji's? Bounties don't reflect strength but threat; I'm sure an ex-Shichibukai is looked at as more threatening even if Zoro/Sanji are stronger because they know more about the WG (albeit probably not much) from working with them and would be perceived as more of a dangerous wildcard than someone who's consistently been a pirate (even though Zoro was loosely associating with them as a pirate hunter way back). And with how Luffy's bounty jumped from 100 million to 300 million post-EL, depending on what Zoro/Sanji do they could get huge bounty increases too.
As for his dream, I don't think anyone's denied it will have to happen eventually. And as Robby pointed out, Oda left out Jinbe's scar in every flashback scene, which leaves him with something to build on for the dream flashback.
Robin n Nami didnt have their dream shown until after they joined.
@Money:
Robin n Nami didnt have their dream shown until after they joined.
I dont think so.
I think it was stated when she was making maps for Arlong that she wanted to make one of the whole world.
For Robin, I thought her dream was confirmed in her flashback.
I mean a reason for their dream
I dont think so.
I think it was stated when she was making maps for Arlong that she wanted to make one of the whole world.
For Robin, I thought her dream was confirmed in her flashback.
Well, technically both joined before, even if it was more like a partnership for both of them. Besides, you could already, at least partly, understand Robin´s dream in the tomb when Cobra started to talk about the forgotten strings of history.
1 Power Level/Bounty - I think when he joins Zoro/Sanji will be more powerful then him. Hell I already think Luffy and Zoro are. But what about the Bounty It's way to high for Zoro or Sanji to catch up with so quickly.
If we were judging by bounty, Robin would be in the Monster Trio, and nobody minds.
If we were judging by bounty, Robin would be in the Monster Trio, and nobody minds.
Robin has the potential to be part of the monster trio too funny enough.
How many times have I mentioned Robin's bounty being higher than Zoro's until Post-EL and still being higher than Sanji's? Bounties don't reflect strength but threat; I'm sure an ex-Shichibukai is looked at as more threatening even if Zoro/Sanji are stronger because they know more about the WG (albeit probably not much) from working with them and would be perceived as more of a dangerous wildcard than someone who's consistently been a pirate (even though Zoro was loosely associating with them as a pirate hunter way back). And with how Luffy's bounty jumped from 100 million to 300 million post-EL, depending on what Zoro/Sanji do they could get huge bounty increases too.
As for his dream, I don't think anyone's denied it will have to happen eventually. And as Robby pointed out, Oda left out Jinbe's scar in every flashback scene, which leaves him with something to build on for the dream flashback.
Yes, I know there is a difference between strength and bounty and I know Robin's bounty is higher then Sanji's. But it's higher by 3,000,000. Practically equal. Jinbei's is much futher away. I know it's very possible that Zoro and Sanji can get there's higher but the pace in which were going I just can't see it going that high in a short span of time. And since you think it's based on threat, rightfully so, then it should a smooth transition for you. But I always thought Jinbei or any other strong Shichibukai level type character entering the crew would be weird because of the setup of the crew. Again I like Jinbei joining and Oda waiting to let it happen is a good thing.
As for motivation, it'll come. I just shelfishly ask that said crewmember be willing to do anything to make Luffy Pirate King. And since Jinbei seems to be willing to die for anything haha, then it's all good.
To be honest I was one of the people who didn't think Jinbei would join prior to Luffy asking him. I just didn't think anyone involved in the Marinford war would join his crew, that includes Hancock. So I was caught off guard when Luffy asked him. But I trust Oda can make t work. And not letting Jinbei join till later is key to me. But when he joins, assuming he doesn't die, there are 2 things that need to be addresed
1 Power Level/Bounty - I think when he joins Zoro/Sanji will be more powerful then him. Hell I already think Luffy and Zoro are. But what about the Bounty It's way to high for Zoro or Sanji to catch up with so quickly.
2 Motivation/Dream - It needs to be talked about, even if it ends up being that he wants to create peace with fishmen and humans and he thinks Luffy can make it possible. And even then The Straw Hats are probably all willing to give their lives so Luffy can be Pirate King, but will Jinbei. And does Jinbei still have his own crew or not? Mabye their deaths will help this issue out.
Aside from these issues, which Oda will make work, I would love Jinbei to join.
Others have covered the bounty issue but as for your 2nd set of concerns im surprised anyone would ever 2nd guess Jinbe's will to die for something, especially Luffy.
During the war and after Ace's death it seemed like all he did was want to die for Luffy. During that moment and after he agreed to join the Straw Hats later it can only be assumed he has made piece with the fate of his crew. He obviously has some idea where they would be without him.
Beating one of the Yonkou, namely BM, will let the bounties of the SHs skyrocket, especially Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. The bounty of Jinbe should not be a problem.
The Straw Hats needs a Lookout, a blind one, that can only hear from a distance.
^This would be awesome. I could see this being necessary too, though more as a nightwatchman than a lookout.
What happens if guys show up at 3:00 am and plant bombs on the Sunny?
Beating one of the Yonkou, namely BM, will let the bounties of the SHs skyrocket, especially Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. The bounty of Jinbe should not be a problem.
Basically this. After the deed is done Jinbe should fit right in.
Yes, I know there is a difference between strength and bounty and I know Robin's bounty is higher then Sanji's. But it's higher by 3,000,000. Practically equal. Jinbei's is much futher away. I know it's very possible that Zoro and Sanji can get there's higher but the pace in which were going I just can't see it going that high in a short span of time. And since you think it's based on threat, rightfully so, then it should a smooth transition for you. But I always thought Jinbei or any other strong Shichibukai level type character entering the crew would be weird because of the setup of the crew. Again I like Jinbei joining and Oda waiting to let it happen is a good thing.
As for motivation, it'll come. I just shelfishly ask that said crewmember be willing to do anything to make Luffy Pirate King. And since Jinbei seems to be willing to die for anything haha, then it's all good.
These bounties you're worried about are 2 years old. Their strength then compared to now is so different that it doesn't even really warrant a comparison. New bounties are an inevitability that we all know is going to happen.
Robin is the perfect comparison here, because if you look at the timelines, Luffy's bounty was 30 million when that saga started and nobody else even had one. Robin's was 79 million.