So is it Bach or Ywach? Or has there been no official romanization yet?
Naruto and Bleach II: I don't have the heart to care anymore.
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So, about bleach..Bach > Aizen ? (I would say, Bach is more confortable as a vilain, Ainzen is just a spoiled brat with a machine gun).
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Bach > Aizen ?
I give Bach credit for at least not being a copy-and-paste of Aizen…..well, in some ways. No hax sensory manulipation or some equally hax power yet, and his facial hair and overall rugged face sets him apart from looking (read: barely) like Aizen......which is why I hated Tsukishima so much, he LOOKED like Aizen and HAD A HAX POWER like Aizen.
Then again, Bach constantly smirks cockily and has dismembered his minions for lulz.....like Aizen. And like Aizen, both of their plans involve seriously fucking up the balance of the universe. Bach's army is there to kill Shinigami in revenge (removing balancers of souls) while Aizen was planning to kill GOD himself and steal his spot. At least with the deicide, it was intentional.
Then again, Bach gains some sympathy points for being part of a group that were victims of genocide, whereas there's no possible way (unless you're an idiot) to feel sympathic for Aizen. However, since Bach is lowering himself to SS's level and killing Shinigami in pure hatred, the sympathy is limited if not wasted.
Yet with Aizen the series got unintentionally hiliarous for a little while, spawning jokes and insanity the size of the Empire State building.
Both of them are as of now devoid of a detailed backstory and are bland, personality wise.
…..eh, is there a third option?
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I give Bach credit for at least not being a copy-and-paste of Aizen…..well, in some ways. No hax sensory manulipation or some equally hax power yet, and his facial hair and overall rugged face sets him apart from looking (read: barely) like Aizen......which is why I hated Tsukishima so much, he LOOKED like Aizen and HAD A HAX POWER like Aizen.
Then again, Bach constantly smirks cockily and has dismembered his minions for lulz.....like Aizen. And like Aizen, both of their plans involve seriously fucking up the balance of the universe. Bach's army is there to kill Shinigami in revenge (removing balancers of souls) while Aizen was planning to kill GOD himself and steal his spot. At least with the deicide, it was intentional.
Then again, Bach gains some sympathy points for being part of a group that were victims of genocide, whereas there's no possible way (unless you're an idiot) to feel sympathic for Aizen. However, since Bach is lowering himself to SS's level and killing Shinigami in pure hatred, the sympathy is limited if not wasted.
Yet with Aizen the series got unintentionally hiliarous for a little while, spawning jokes and insanity the size of the Empire State building.
Both of them are as of now devoid of a detailed backstory and are bland, personality wise.
…..eh, is there a third option?
They both suck ?
I mean, the "Are you a prophet ?!" tirade, it was incredibly dumb but it did remove anoher reandom Aizen lookalike.
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@No:
They both suck ?
Sounds right to me.
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This God or King is a weird thing. I keep forgetting there's supposed to be the higher power.
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This God or King is a weird thing. I keep forgetting there's supposed to be the higher power.
That's because
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Bach bores the hell out of me. I'd take Aizens astronomical though unintentional entertainment value any day. "Ichigo, whose life I have somehow controlled since birth…let me touch your heart! After I'm done being in this semen cocoon"
A general trend of Bleach villains is a confoundingly elaborate information network; I guess Bach just somehow snuck in surveillance cameras into soul society and karakura to keep up to date? Or maybe he just shared with Ginjo.
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@The:
Bach bores the hell out of me. I'd take Aizens astronomical though unintentional entertainment value any day. "Ichigo, whose life I have somehow controlled since birth…let me touch your heart! After I'm done being in this semen cocoon"
A general trend of Bleach villains is a confoundingly elaborate information network; I guess Bach just somehow snuck in surveillance cameras into soul society and karakura to keep up to date? Or maybe he just shared with Ginjo.
And Ginjo existing makes the whole "not using humans" point even more ridiculous.
Also, Bach is boring but the previously mentioned "Prophet" scene was traiditional utter nonsense Bleach badness.
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Ichigo CHANGED him so now he doesn't use humans!!!!
He just drinks tea while they get eaten but he no longer strangles dissidents using ropes made of human bones
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@The:
Or maybe he just shared with Ginjo.
That reminds me…..seeing as how Aizen and Bach both waited a long, long time to carry out their plans, they probably.....used their spare time to patiently gather a shit-ton of info? Idk
But with Ginjou.....how the fuck did he know how, who, where, what, and why about Ichigo and his situation?
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That reminds me…..seeing as how Aizen and Bach both waited a long, long time to carry out their plans, they probably.....used their spare time to patiently gather a shit-ton of info? Idk
But with Ginjou.....how the fuck did he know how, who, where, what, and why about Ichigo and his situation?
Tsukishima changed his past so he knows everything about everyone.
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I give Bach credit for at least not being a copy-and-paste of Aizen…..well, in some ways. No hax sensory manulipation or some equally hax power yet, and his facial hair and overall rugged face sets him apart from looking (read: barely) like Aizen......which is why I hated Tsukishima so much, he LOOKED like Aizen and HAD A HAX POWER like Aizen.
Then again, Bach constantly smirks cockily and has dismembered his minions for lulz.....like Aizen. And like Aizen, both of their plans involve seriously fucking up the balance of the universe. Bach's army is there to kill Shinigami in revenge (removing balancers of souls) while Aizen was planning to kill GOD himself and steal his spot. At least with the deicide, it was intentional.
Then again, Bach gains some sympathy points for being part of a group that were victims of genocide, whereas there's no possible way (unless you're an idiot) to feel sympathic for Aizen. However, since Bach is lowering himself to SS's level and killing Shinigami in pure hatred, the sympathy is limited if not wasted.
Yet with Aizen the series got unintentionally hiliarous for a little while, spawning jokes and insanity the size of the Empire State building.
Both of them are as of now devoid of a detailed backstory and are bland, personality wise.
…..eh, is there a third option?
I'm not sure how Aizen taking the king's place fucks up the balance. The king literally does nothing and affects nothing. Hell it doesnt even seem like he is a living person, going by Aizen and Urahara's conversation.
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Guys,guys,I just had the most idiotic of ideas and,for no discernible reason,feel utterly compelled to subject you lot to it:
So imagine,what if,just what if,this Juha Bach is not real either.Instead of another substitute though,it is none other then AIZEN.You see,when the real Bach went into that dungeon thing to have a chat with Aizen,our favorite Bleach villain used his charm and wits to take out Bach and exited the dungeon disguised as him,using the powers of his illusions so that everyone sees the former captain as Bach.
Infact,as Aizen told the real Bach in the dungeon,this entire crusade was actually according to Aizens plans all along-for the sake of his dastardly escape.
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Guys,guys,I just had the most idiotic of ideas and,for no discernible reason,feel utterly compelled to subject you lot to it:
So imagine,what if,just what if,this Juha Bach is not real either.Instead of another substitute though,it is none other then AIZEN.You see,when the real Bach went into that dungeon thing to have a chat with Aizen,our favorite Bleach villain used his charm and wits to take out Bach and exited the dungeon disguised as him,using the powers of his illusions so that everyone sees the former captain as Bach.
Infact,as Aizen told the real Bach in the dungeon,this entire crusade was actually according to Aizens plans all along-for the sake of his dastardly escape.
Enough with the Aizen illusion theories. His sword is gone; it dissolved when he took his final form. All Aizen has now is his immortality and the Hogyoku/Hollow abilities.
Regarding the Spirit King, I think it's some kind of biomachine, rather than a person, based on Urahara and Aizen's conversation. Sort of an Artificial God that was built by Soul Society to sustain it after the "real" God "died" (or was possibly killed). Aizen basically wanted to "Unplug" the machine and attempt to supplant it, and Urahara stated that if the machine was "unplugged", then the whole place would fall apart. That makes the most sense.
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I'm not sure how Aizen taking the king's place fucks up the balance. The king literally does nothing and affects nothing. Hell it doesnt even seem like he is a living person, going by Aizen and Urahara's conversation.
Exactly, the only evil thing that would have come from Aizen's scheme is the deaths of everybody in Karakura. Yamamoto's plan to take out Aizen (incinerate everybody in the crossfire) would have doomed ALL of humanity.
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@Fire Fist:
Enough with the Aizen illusion theories. His sword is gone; it dissolved when he took his final form. All Aizen has now is his immortality and the Hogyoku/Hollow abilities.
Regarding the Spirit King, I think it's some kind of biomachine, rather than a person, based on Urahara and Aizen's conversation. Sort of an Artificial God that was built by Soul Society to sustain it after the "real" God "died" (or was possibly killed). Aizen basically wanted to "Unplug" the machine and attempt to supplant it, and Urahara stated that if the machine was "unplugged", then the whole place would fall apart. That makes the most sense.
Since when were you under the impression that Aizen's sword disappearing wasn't an illusion?
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@Fire Fist:
Regarding the Spirit King, I think it's some kind of biomachine, rather than a person, based on Urahara and Aizen's conversation. Sort of an Artificial God that was built by Soul Society to sustain it after the "real" God "died" (or was possibly killed). Aizen basically wanted to "Unplug" the machine and attempt to supplant it, and Urahara stated that if the machine was "unplugged", then the whole place would fall apart. That makes the most sense.
Too daring for bleach. I would rather say King is just a concept. There is no entity sitting on the throne, but there is an idea of him and his law. But since it's feudal Japan everywhere, the king is expected to never show himself anywhere, so everyone take it as normal that they never saw or heard him. Instead, his trusted right hand prime-minister is doing all the talking and PR. And is, basically, the ruler of whatever there is to rule. Since everything is working on itself, minister is loitering all-day-long. Urahara is minister of secret back-stabbing affairs.
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The Spirit King is a plot device that Kubo brought up and then forgot about.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Indeed. This is the "hodgepodge of forgotten plot points" arc, after all.
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I'm not sure how Aizen taking the king's place fucks up the balance. The king literally does nothing and affects nothing. Hell it doesnt even seem like he is a living person, going by Aizen and Urahara's conversation.
Exactly, the only evil thing that would have come from Aizen's scheme is the deaths of everybody in Karakura. Yamamoto's plan to take out Aizen (incinerate everybody in the crossfire) would have doomed ALL of humanity.
Eh, I was just assuming killing the godking of the universe would have some consequences, but since he/she/it hasn't done anything…..
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is it really a dropped plot or it just because of Bleach pacing and Kubo's poor writing and planning?
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yes .
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in the vol of shinobi he says the war is still half way through. there are more (new) charas to enter and there will be twists that will make you go 'a ha!' in the story too.
I've not posted in a while but I want to here you guys thoughts on this.
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@Naruto:
I've not posted in a while but I want to here you guys thoughts on this.
The war is only half over and new characters will be introducedWho's quote is this?
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Who's quote is this?
Someone from NF translated what kishi stated in the volume of shinobi
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@Naruto:
I've not posted in a while but I want to here you guys thoughts on this.
The war is only half over and new characters will be introducedmy thoughts… why and how?
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@Naruto:
I've not posted in a while but I want to here you guys thoughts on this.
The war is only half over and new characters will be introducedMother of god
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in the vol of shinobi he says the war is still half way through. there are more (new) charas to enter and there will be twists that will make you go 'a ha!' in the story too.
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I hope the king has no back. He is two fronts with head facing both ways.
He would be invincible, how could someone fight him if they can't sneak up behind him.
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I don't which war arc was worse, this one or Aizen's
The Aizen war had some okay moments (Gin's hilarious bankai, Hachi defeating Barragan through clever tactics) but was for the most part pretty terrible (I'd probably give it a 3/10). This war is just totally forgettable.
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I don't which war arc was worse, this one or Aizen's
The Aizen war had some okay moments (Gin's hilarious bankai, Hachi defeating Barragan through clever tactics) but was for the most part pretty terrible (I'd probably give it a 3/10). This war is just totally forgettable.
You are talking about the later end parts of the Aizen war.
Think of the earlier parts where we got to learn more about Hollows (as much as it broke all logic numbers wise it was still info), we got to learn more about Chad and his powers. we had some character fights with Ishida, and Chad. The beginning was pretty darn promising.
THEN it turned to total shit.
This arc is already total shit, so if it continues to get worse as most all bleach arcs do, I am scared.
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Mother of god
How old is this quote? This war is pushing 100 chapters, I don't think I can endure 100 moreAt the end of July, basically August 1, since the volume was released on July 27.
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! @Naruto:
! > At the end of July, basically August 1, since the volume was released on July 27.Daz, you might not want to read the above.
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Well we got the rest of Tobi flashback, a fight with tobi, a fight with Madara, a madara flashback, the unveiling of the Ten Tailed Beast, a fight with the Ten Tails, a possible flash back with the beasts, whatever Sasuke doing with Orihimaru and that scroll that could allow him to take over the world, a fight with Orhimaru, the Kohana ten showing up and maybe doing something, and…...a Sauske and Naruto fight.
I think that's all that Kishimoto gots left do with this war arc.....unless he has more he wants to do.
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Don't forget Zetsu, Yamatos surprise appearance and Jirayas surprise appearance.
End of July, the war was 80 chapters long…but adjusting for Mangaka-pacing optimism and Kishimotos current Kubo-level pace, I could easily see the war going on for 120 more chapters.
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To think One Piece's first half's climax was only a meager 30 chapters long…what is it with wars not feeling like wars. Marineford might have been cluttered at points, but damn it, it still felt like a war.
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Well we got the rest of Tobi flashback, a fight with tobi, a fight with Madara, a madara flashback, the unveiling of the Ten Tailed Beast, a fight with the Ten Tails, a possible flash back with the beasts, whatever Sasuke doing with Orihimaru and that scroll that could allow him to take over the world, a fight with Orhimaru, the Kohana ten showing up and maybe doing something, and…...a Sauske and Naruto fight.
I think that's all that Kishimoto gots left do with this war arc.....unless he has more he wants to do.
Didn't he say he wanted to use those Ginkaku and Kinkaku brothers once more?
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Didn't he say he wanted to use those Ginkaku and Kinkaku brothers once more?
In some way he did, Tobi used them for the Gezo instead of the 9 tails.
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Honestly, I'd say Marineford was my least favorite arc, but it's still leagues above either of these wars. Marineford was about being an ant in a storm, the Karakura war was all about shallow "coolness," and this ninja war isn't really about anything besides Madara
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In some way he did, Tobi used them for the Gezo instead of the 9 tails.
Well, yeah, but I thought Kishi meant something more like really using them, and not just their properties.
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Well, yeah, but I thought Kishi meant something more like really using them, and not just their properties.
well thne I don't know…..guess that's another thing to add to the list.
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Honestly, I'd say Marineford was my least favorite arc, but it's still leagues above either of these wars. Marineford was about being an ant in a storm, the Karakura war was all about shallow "coolness," and this ninja war isn't really about anything besides Madara ~~dancing around and Uchiha trauma circles
And Senjuu dna, never forget the Senjuu dna.~~
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If Senjuu + Uchiha DNA was so strong, why didn't Tsunade get 2 sharingans implanted in her eyes? Why didn't everyone in her family do that?
Then she could kill her pet pig (her bff), unlock MS, and go ape shit for the war.
She could worry about blindness later/retransplant her old eyes.
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If Senjuu + Uchiha DNA was so strong, why didn't Tsunade get 2 sharingans implanted in her eyes? Why didn't everyone in her family do that?
Then she could kill her pet pig (her bff), unlock MS, and go ape shit for the war.
She could worry about blindness later/retransplant her old eyes.
She is a woman lol.
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Well we got the rest of Tobi flashback, a fight with tobi, a fight with Madara, a madara flashback, the unveiling of the Ten Tailed Beast, a fight with the Ten Tails, a possible flash back with the beasts, whatever Sasuke doing with Orihimaru and that scroll that could allow him to take over the world, a fight with Orhimaru, the Kohana ten showing up and maybe doing something, and…...a Sauske and Naruto fight.
I think that's all that Kishimoto gots left do with this war arc.....unless he has more he wants to do.
Dude. you forgot about Sakura crying about how things turned out and how useless she is, complete with flashbacks for 10 chapters
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Dude. you forgot about Sakura crying about how things turned out and how useless she is, complete with flashbacks for 10 chapters
That's under the whole kohana ten doing…...something.
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Well, its nice getting these flashbacks but the reasoning of this whole war is still as dumb as Kubo's writing skills.
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Lots of stuff explained finally. Considering Obito would have Kakashi in the new world he creates regardless if he had died, gives Kishi wiggle room about the reason for the war. Meaning Tobi realized that the world itself (after him bathing in blood) not just Rin's death was what he wanted to fix. I still think Madara tricked Obito into doing all this, meaning Tobi is the Momo to Madara's Aizen. Madara turning out as the main villain all along is predictable but it should be a better ending than Aizen had. Reminds me of Damon Spade being a bad guy in KHR, we knew about him as a guardian for so long but he was supposedly gone and then he appears as a major villain. Kishi has a chance to redeem himself but obviously everyone will not be amused.