I didn't mind Sanji's behaviour recently like alot of people did but my god can you possibly stop being a T&A obsessed twat for a second when you're being cheered on by these people from whom many recently sacrificed themselves so you guys can go ahead and not die.
Just as I thought he was finaly not being a complete douche too.
Oh god, saw in another forum of people discussing "the dragon could be Vegapunk!" nonsense.
Although we don't have any of those here, before it even comes up: The dragon is speaking in samurai speech.Like that even needed to be stated.
Wait a moment. … but thinking about it... it could be :ninja:
By the way, did you guys see Pandaman?
I said it on page 1:
Found Pandaman:
The dragon is Sabo. :ninja:
i guess it's safe to say that Vergo does not have a DF and he was just using CoA Hardening… that or Luffy, Smoker and Vetgo have Bamboo body/DNA :ninja:
I love Caesar so much, his faces are great.
Seeing how Caesar would probably have wanted Sakazuki in charge…did he do something so that Kuzan lost? :O
It is possible, and the only remaining labs are on the frozen side. Plus I still can't understand how CC and the others survived the battle it's possible that he made a deal with Sakazuki. :ninja:
The dragon design is just a classical Japanese dragon design, nothing to do with Dragon Ball.
Both Vergo vs Law and Vergo vs Smoker have been amazing so far, even if they have been short. I'm waiting for the two guys Doflamingo sent to arrive and do something. And Oda still hasn't shown us Vegapunk.
I said that Zoro would cut something, but I didn't think we'd get some useless VP flashback. So Zoro will cut Money next week.
Im guessing Franky found away around and will save the day by blowing up the R66 sealed doorway so they can escape into the Sunny.
Disappointing chapter, now a lot of action, No monet, start of the fight between Vergo and Smoker , a useless flashback (like we needed it to know CC was the one behind the explosion..), and the dragon kid.
I said that Zoro would cut something, but I didn't think we'd get some useless VP flashback. So Zoro will cut Money next week.
Dude, Nami will be pissed.
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I didn't mind Sanji's behaviour recently like alot of people did but my god can you possibly stop being a T&A obsessed twat for a second when you're being cheered on by these people from whom many recently sacrificed themselves so you guys can go ahead and not die.
Just as I thought he was finaly not being a complete douche too.
The G-5 marines only sacrificed their lives for Tashigi.
Don't see the point in complaining about something so trivial.
oh man i LOVE these fights. During the war i had a small concern that we wouldnt see such high caliber epics fights again until the end of the manga but Oda does not disappoint. In comparison, the fights before the war were just a warmup. The level of mastery and power in these fights have gone up tenfold.
Vergo and Smoker, two super powers going at it. Gotta love it.
Ceasar is mental. But Im just stating the obvious. The fact that VP was 10 feet away from CC when he set of his nukes really makes me wonder what his ability is. Either he has an instant teleportation device or another haxx fruit.
Smoker is unironically the best character.
Sanji and Tashigi had some hilarious interactions with G-5, especially in the Mangastream translation.
I'm not sure the flashback was necessary, but we'll probably get it expanded next chapter. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it and the build-up for the next chapter. The only thing it really needed was a Franky update; he wasn't on the map so I expect he'll come to save them.
I'm trying to understand what this arc is leading us into and I'm trying to predict future events. Slightly confused… I don't know how much longer this arc will continue (at least the Punk Hazard portion of it - if this conflict ends up being larger than it seems), being that the area in which they can act is only contained in this small facility, which seems only to be getting smaller as the gas seeps in. I have a few guesses on what the S.A.D may be. And the mysterious helper that chucked a note at Chopper's head is still unresolved. There are other minor questions I have, like Momonosuke, the children, but besides all of that, I don't feel there is a great purpose to this arc other than Doflamingo being exposed as working heavily against the WG with Ceaser's experiments. Seems a little too simplistic in my mind if that's it. I guess it's okay. A major mass murdering weapon could be unleashed, if everything is not destroyed in this arc, but I can't help but feel like the future incident to come (the unmasking of Doflamingo as the culprit in the kidnappings and the weapon) seems just too sudden for someone like Doflamingo to fall. We may have the Kidd + Hawkins + Apoo alliance appear, but to do what exactly? ... I'm not disliking the arc, I'm just perplexed on what is to come.
_How much can you do? Just grab a ball and juggle.
All those balls in the air, How hard can it be?
So hard you're getting dizzy!
Keep those balls in the air, Keep those balls in the ai-air!
Balls in the air!_
Everyone just wait, Franky is going to pull an M Night Shyamalan.
I'm trying to understand what this arc is leading us into and I'm trying to predict future events. Slightly confused… I don't know how much longer this arc will continue (at least the Punk Hazard portion of it - if this conflict ends up being larger than it seems), being that the area in which they can act is only contained in this small facility, which seems only to be getting smaller as the gas seeps in. I have a few guesses on what the S.A.D may be. And the mysterious helper that chucked a note at Chopper's head is still unresolved. There are other minor questions I have, like Momonosuke, the children, but besides all of that, I don't feel there is a great purpose to this arc other than Doflamingo being exposed as working heavily against the WG with Ceaser's experiments. Seems a little too simplistic in my mind if that's it. I guess it's okay. A major mass murdering weapon could be unleashed, if everything is not destroyed in this arc, but I can't help but feel like the future incident to come (the unmasking of Doflamingo as the culprit in the kidnappings and the weapon) seems just too sudden for someone like Doflamingo to fall. We may have the Kidd + Hawkins + Apoo alliance appear, but to do what exactly? ... I'm not disliking the arc, I'm just perplexed on what is to come.
Unpredictability has always been one of the essential elements.
There is a possibility that some characters have yet to play their roles. Like the Yeti Cool Brothers, who have disappeared after Law defeated them. Their presence in just 3-4 chapters isn't normal. Lots of things are ahead (Including the pirate alliance).
I have to say, I was a bit concerned over the upcoming Smoker/Vergo fight last week, due to the somewhat limited array of techniques Smoker has displayed in the past and Vergo's firm status as an extremely strong and tough brawler. It is safe to say that those concerns have now been alleviated. Badass Smoker is back with a vengeance!
Also, Shenlong-Momonosuke is cute as hell. XD
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Okay guys, place your bets.
A huge top hat? A huge head? A huge neck?
Looks more like a (presumably normal) figure sitting in a high-backed chair viewed from behind to me…
The uppermost bulge being an armrest and the lower portions being a leg and part of a lab-coat sticking out.
I'm trying to understand what this arc is leading us into and I'm trying to predict future events. Slightly confused… I don't know how much longer this arc will continue (at least the Punk Hazard portion of it - if this conflict ends up being larger than it seems), being that the area in which they can act is only contained in this small facility, which seems only to be getting smaller as the gas seeps in. I have a few guesses on what the S.A.D may be. And the mysterious helper that chucked a note at Chopper's head is still unresolved. There are other minor questions I have, like Momonosuke, the children, but besides all of that, I don't feel there is a great purpose to this arc other than Doflamingo being exposed as working heavily against the WG with Ceaser's experiments. Seems a little too simplistic in my mind if that's it. I guess it's okay. A major mass murdering weapon could be unleashed, if everything is not destroyed in this arc, but I can't help but feel like the future incident to come (the unmasking of Doflamingo as the culprit in the kidnappings and the weapon) seems just too sudden for someone like Doflamingo to fall. We may have the Kidd + Hawkins + Apoo alliance appear, but to do what exactly? ... I'm not disliking the arc, I'm just perplexed on what is to come.
I think this arc is like the Whiskey Peak of the Alabasta Arc,that will followed by the Wano Kuni Arc,wich is the Little Garden, and concludes in the Dressrosa Arc
Vergo confirmed to be:
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My first thought, yeah
So Vegapunk has to have some kind of powers right?
I mean, he was inside the laboratory when the explosion happened, and except for Ceasar who is a gas logia user everybody on the island died or was at the very least crippled.
Clearly he didn't die because Vegapunk was the one who turned Kuma into a robot 2 years ago.
Vegapunk died in the explosion.
Kuma was already a robot, but it took time to kill off all his personality.
It just makes sense!
Maybe you're asking "What about Kuma's mission with the Sunny?"
I have an answer.
Actually Dragon has the Foresight Foresight no Mi (Also known as the Shinigami Shinigami no Mi: Model Aizen.), that makes him able to know the future, but only about stuff/people that he already knows personally. He knew since forever all the stuff that will happen. For example, that's why he was at Dawn Island, to pick up Sabo (He already met Luffy, since he's his son, and he knew that he will suffer a major trauma, with the whole Sabo "death").
He told Kuma everything, and so the mission was born.
Oh, wait. This isn't the Dumb Predictions Thread :ninja:
Vegapunk died in the explosion.
Kuma was already a robot, but it took time to kill off all his personality.
It just makes sense!Maybe you're asking "What about Kuma's mission with the Sunny?"
I have an answer.
Actually Dragon has the Foresight Foresight no Mi (Also known as the Shinigami Shinigami no Mi: Model Aizen.), that makes him able to know the future, but only about stuff/people that he already knows personally. He knew since forever all the stuff that will happen. For example, that's why he was at Dawn Island, to pick up Sabo (He already met Luffy, since he's his son, and he knew that he will suffer a major trauma, with the whole Sabo "death").
He told Kuma everything, and so the mission was born.Oh, wait. This isn't the Dumb Predictions Thread :ninja:
Sabo was inside Kuma's body and controlled him! :ninja:
Oh my… I am picturing his acting in two specific movies - MASK and Batman (as Riddler)- and the facial expressions. Yes he's playing in a lot more (I remember Liar, Liar and others) but those two were my fave on his facial expressions.
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Okay guys, place your bets.
A huge top hat? A huge head? A huge neck?
I'm picturing a huge head w/ thick glasses (or goggles), pointy grey mustache, and short w/ skinny arms.
I think this arc is like the Whiskey Peak of the Alabasta Arc,that will followed by the Wano Kuni Arc,wich is the Little Garden, and concludes in the Dressrosa Arc
I think you mean Baroque Works Saga.
Haki is a Invisible force which increase the power of luffys attacks, when luffys arm turns black he is using a adapted version of he's haki attack which transforms the body into something harder for better results.
Hardening is an extension or Armament haki. Luffy can use armament haki to make his attacks hit logias and make his attacks hurt more, but hardening is taking that a step further. His Elephant gun literally turns his wrist/hand into wrecking balls that would hurt a helluva lot more than simply doing Gigant Pistol with haki regularly.
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This is gonna be a little longer than usual for me, so if you don't want to read, I respect that, but if you do, grab some snacks:
-Cover page: I thought it was really cool that we got to see Coribou fight, and really not too surprising that he's winning against Yarisugi. I wouldn't expect Coribou to be a great fighter, but Yarisugi seems like a piece of trash. Sorry Yarisugi.
-The flashback: It was really nice to see Caeser in his younger days (with stupid short hair), and him being fired was friggin' priceless. The Vegapunk silhouette was sweet, and we can sort of see his hat. And the explosion: woof. Caeser gets fired, blows up the lab, blames it on Vegapunk. How much more of a dick can he be? And to top it all off, he steals Vegapunk's idea of giantification. Wow, he is just so bad. On terms of crimes and just plain asinine behavior, I think he takes the cake.
-The secret room: So it was Vegapunk's secret room after all, which means he was probably in charge of all that went on at PH. That's interesting to know because that means that even 4 years ago, he was being seen as a grand scientist.
-Sanji and Tashigi: I really like their little back and forth when it comes to him being G5's "enemy", in which, Sanji is totally right. Just because they're marines and he's a pirate, it doesn't mean they have to be enemies, and I think this is really gonna come into play more as the series progresses. Smoker will eventually realize (just like the good-for-nothing G5's have) that even if the Strawhats are pirates, they aren't necessarily enemies. I simply loved this bit, as Oda quietly posed an underlying theme between the pirates and marines.
-The gates closing (and the R66 trap): So Caeser plans to trap everyone in R66 and let Shinokuni in. I can see so many ways that this'll go wrong.
1. Someone will simply close the vents.
2. When Luffy is majestically soaring out of the trash dumps on Momonosuke, he decides to go through the vents because he thinks it'll be quicker, thus causing something to change in the vents and having Shinokuni backfire.
That's such an evil thing to do, but clearly he thinks he can pull it off.
Now, with the gates, it might be quite difficult for Sanji and G5 to escape this one. They hardly have any time before Shinokuni catches up with them, and they've got to get to R66 with everybody else. I'd really love to see how this plays out.
Also, I think someone mentioned that when they show the Zoro + Nami side, there's snow coming in, which leads to the belief that Monet began to attack. I'd say that Mocha unknowingly gave over the candy, Monet threw the dog a bone (gave the candy to the kids), and fired a blizzard in order to escape the Strawhats with the kids in tact. Honestly, I just wanna learn more about Monet, she's so mysterious.
-Momonosuke: God, so many people last week called that Luffy would meet him down in the garbage dumps. Mad props to you guys 'cause that was a sweet prediction. Finally we get to see Momonosuke, the little dragon boy, and he's such a silly looking dragon. I'm not saying silly in a bad way, (because he's really cool looking), I'm saying it as in I didn't expect him to look like that. When Mocha said that he was "a little boy that turned into a dragon", I was expecting him to be a miniature of Vegapunk's dragon. But I'm sure Kinemon will be thrilled to see Luffy soaring out of the trash dump on his son's measly back. :p And pertaining to what I said about the vents, I was thinking that if Luffy rides Momo into them, he could fly through the building, and end up in Caeser's room to finally have his fight. I'd love to see something like that happen.
-Smoker Vs. Vergo: So far, this fight is fantastic. Vergo's attacks only somewhat working, and you can see Smoker's determination to win is really showing through. His Vergo smack down to end this chapter's portion of the fight was superb. Not much more to say about the fight, but I'd like to dabble in each character's coming-to so far.
-Smoker: So far, it seems like he has really improved over the past 2 years. Originally fighting against Law, though he lost, he put up more than a fight, and could have had a higher chance at success if he had known of Law's heart swap and steal techniques. But nonetheless, he is putting up an outstanding fight against Vergo, who seemingly beat Law (though it was totally unfair). I really have high hopes for Smoker, and I would really love to see him win this fight.
-Vergo: It's becoming more evident and much more likely that Vergo doesn't have a DF. He just uses his haki and a bamboo stick, that's all there is to it. BUT, there's the fact that he was able to fracture Sanji's leg, SANJI'S LEG. He fractured the leg of the dude who specializes in kicks and leg movements. That's gotta mean something. And I know it's been say a million times, but there is always the possibility of him being a Pacifista. Well, yes and no, but here's what I think.
-He is seemingly a metal man, but doesn't seem to have any fruit. It can't be a magnet fruit 'cause Kid already has that. So the only fruit possibility in my eyes is metal, but I just don't see it happening.
-Vergo has been with G5 for at least 2 years. Well, he has been there the whole time Smoker and Tashigi have been, and has to have been there for a few years before because the G5 good-for-nothings had already seen him as a parent of sorts.
-By being there that long, it makes it harder to believe that he could be a newer Pacifista because that would mean he had to be made at least 4 years ago, so it would be strange if there weren't anymore of his kind by this point, unless he was a "failed" project. Plus, if he was created that long ago, he might have been created to solely work for Doflamingo, which would explain why there are no more of his kind. And would also show that he was sent straight to working with Caeser at the lab.
-Now, pertaining to Vergo as a character, I see him to be one laid back motherfucker. He practically forgets who he is, and doesn't even know what type of weaponry he specializes in. Besides his idiocy, he is such a lax fighter. You can see his movements to be slow yet speedy, and he never fails to look dissapointed in his opponent's fighting style. He hasn't gotten much character development so far, but if he continues on after this fight, I can see him to grow into one dangerous and frightening foe. Also, going back to the Pacifista idea, if he was one, then maybe there's a bug in his wiring, which is why he forgets everything, and could be another reason for canceling the project (if there was one).
-Law: So he isn't unconscious, which will give him a chance to get his heart back before the end of the fight. Depending on how Smoker and Vergo's fight goes, it will play into what happens to Law. If Vergo wins, Law doesn't get his heart back, and loses an ear. :p If Smoker wins, he retrieves his hear, and he and Smoker frolic away in victory. Oh, and R. I. P. Law's hat, you will be forever missed.
-Franky and the reinforcements: Someone made a comment last week, on which I based a little theory off of, so I feel I should repost it and see what you think:
STP_PS first said: In this chapter we dont see Ceasar at all and we havent seen Franky for the past 3 or four chapters. Next thing we know Ceasar captures Franky and takes him to Dressrosa with Baby 5 and Buffalo.
I really love this, and it's totally possible. Franky wasn't able to deal with Caeser's ability the first time around, and I doubt he came up with a plan to if they happen to meet again. Plus, this would bring back the whole idea of Caeser wanting his lazer (or canon? i dont remember), and would also give Luffy a reason to go to Dressrosa. Just an extra little thing to keep the ideas flowing.
Praise our king, First fist of the Sea, DonMarimo DoBuggino exploring Bonesbeard.
If someone seriously claimed that Whitebeard was running a vibrator business as his second job you'd ignore him as a troll.
@krule awesome post seriously summed up most of what im thinking.
Surprised no one is talking about smoker's smoke hardening i found that very interesting.
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I think Vergo is just an extremely adept user of armament haki and martial arts/self defense in general. This chapter hasn't done anything to get me thinking he's eaten a DF. Now that baton he's using is anyone's guess. Not only did he seem to be able to infuse it with haki, but he just used it to shoot out a…built up laser blast? What the deuce was that?
I'd actualy preffer if Vergo is somehow not a DF user, because we already have Caesar as the resident ability user and realy, alot of characters introduced recently have had them and I'd like for them to be a little more rare. Same goes for Haki, at least as far as the King's Disposition is concerned.
Or in any case for there to be less Logia and more Zoans.
Finaly it wouldn't hurt to get an update on Rokushiki and I hope Vergo actualy delivers on that front. For something that showed up out of nowhere and yet seemed infinitely usefull for the marines to have it showed up like once since the end of EL back in the mid portion of Marineford and that's kinda odd. You'd expect people with Haki to be able to use these more effectively.
@krule274:
This is gonna be a little longer than usual for me, so if you don't want to read, I respect that, but if you do, grab some snacks:
-Smoker: So far, it seems like he has really improved over the past 2 years. Originally fighting against Law, though he lost, he put up more than a fight, and could have had a higher chance at success if he had known of Law's heart swap and steal techniques. But nonetheless, he is putting up an outstanding fight against Vergo, who seemingly beat Law (though it was totally unfair). I really have high hopes for Smoker, and I would really love to see him win this fight.
One or two people mentioned something similar last chapter, you are the third. How do people come to the conclusion that Smoker only lost because he wasn't aware of Law's ability? He acted like a smartass before and during the fight, and in fact he is responsible for ALL information we have about the Ope Ope fruit.
Here he gives us the name and basic information.
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And next he even gives exact instructions on what his fruit does and how to avoid it's effects:
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And if this wasn't enough, he even goes into detail:
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And finally he even lectures Tashigi to not engage Law due to her weak haki, implying that a strong haki is necessary to avoid his abilities.
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I love Smoker, but there was really no excuse for him losing there. It happens that someone simply gets out-haxed, like CC did with Luffy, but Smo-san knew way too much about the fruit for that.
@krule awesome post seriously summed up most of what im thinking.
Surprised no one is talking about smoker's smoke hardening i found that very interesting.
I thought this was his smoke first too, but I'm not sure, because his jacket has wool sticking out of the sleeves, seems more like that to me.
and the spikes on his elbow don't really look like his normal smoke, maybe like luffy's red hawk it's created by friction.
but I'm still not entirely sure
@steven:
I thought is was his smoke first too, but I'm not sure, because his jacket has wool sticking out of the sleeves, seems more like that to me.
and the spikes on his elbow don't really look like his normal smoke, maybe like luffy's red hawk it's created by friction.
but I'm still not entirely sure
As i said earlier this could be similar to aerogel which is the solidification of smoke, though i should read up on it a bit more. If it is hardened smoke armament hardening will make some very interesting battles.
@jabra agreed, smoker simply was defeated by not following his own advice. But yea i think oda is really going for the a>b>c>a further reinforced by monet's statement.
I think Vegapunk's wearing a hat. But when will Baby 5 and Buffalo arrive? Are any os the SH going to save the other kids that are somewhere else in the factory , not drugged up?
One or two people mentioned something similar last chapter, you are the third. How do people come to the conclusion that Smoker only lost because he wasn't aware of Law's ability? He acted like a smartass before and during the fight, and in fact he is responsible for ALL information we have about the Ope Ope fruit.
Here he gives us the name and basic information.
And next he even gives exact instructions on what his fruit does and how to avoid it's effects:
And if this wasn't enough, he even goes into detail:
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And finally he even lectures Tashigi to not engage Law due to her weak haki, implying that a strong haki is necessary to avoid his abilities.I love Smoker, but there was really no excuse for him losing there. It happens that someone simply gets out-haxed, like CC did with Luffy, but Smo-san knew way too much about the fruit for that.
you really don't know anything about fighting don't you?
Nope, actually I don't. Could you show me where or what was wrong with my post?
most of them are true except for "knowing=100% win" thing..
Franky is probably going to come at the nick of time with some super huge vacuum. I bet franky will be the Mr prince of this arc.
@krule274:
This is gonna be a little longer than usual for me, so if you don't want to read, I respect that, but if you do, grab some snacks:
-Cover page: I thought it was really cool that we got to see Coribou fight, and really not too surprising that he's winning against Yarisugi. I wouldn't expect Coribou to be a great fighter, but Yarisugi seems like a piece of trash. Sorry Yarisugi.
-The flashback: It was really nice to see Caeser in his younger days (with stupid short hair), and him being fired was friggin' priceless. The Vegapunk silhouette was sweet, and we can sort of see his hat. And the explosion: woof. Caeser gets fired, blows up the lab, blames it on Vegapunk. How much more of a dick can he be? And to top it all off, he steals Vegapunk's idea of giantification. Wow, he is just so bad. On terms of crimes and just plain asinine behavior, I think he takes the cake.
-The secret room: So it was Vegapunk's secret room after all, which means he was probably in charge of all that went on at PH. That's interesting to know because that means that even 4 years ago, he was being seen as a grand scientist.
-Sanji and Tashigi: I really like their little back and forth when it comes to him being G5's "enemy", in which, Sanji is totally right. Just because they're marines and he's a pirate, it doesn't mean they have to be enemies, and I think this is really gonna come into play more as the series progresses. Smoker will eventually realize (just like the good-for-nothing G5's have) that even if the Strawhats are pirates, they aren't necessarily enemies. I simply loved this bit, as Oda quietly posed an underlying theme between the pirates and marines.
-The gates closing (and the R66 trap): So Caeser plans to trap everyone in R66 and let Shinokuni in. I can see so many ways that this'll go wrong.
1. Someone will simply close the vents.
2. When Luffy is majestically soaring out of the trash dumps on Momonosuke, he decides to go through the vents because he thinks it'll be quicker, thus causing something to change in the vents and having Shinokuni backfire.
That's such an evil thing to do, but clearly he thinks he can pull it off.
Now, with the gates, it might be quite difficult for Sanji and G5 to escape this one. They hardly have any time before Shinokuni catches up with them, and they've got to get to R66 with everybody else. I'd really love to see how this plays out.
Also, I think someone mentioned that when they show the Zoro + Nami side, there's snow coming in, which leads to the belief that Monet began to attack. I'd say that Mocha unknowingly gave over the candy, Monet threw the dog a bone (gave the candy to the kids), and fired a blizzard in order to escape the Strawhats with the kids in tact. Honestly, I just wanna learn more about Monet, she's so mysterious.-Momonosuke: God, so many people last week called that Luffy would meet him down in the garbage dumps. Mad props to you guys 'cause that was a sweet prediction. Finally we get to see Momonosuke, the little dragon boy, and he's such a silly looking dragon. I'm not saying silly in a bad way, (because he's really cool looking), I'm saying it as in I didn't expect him to look like that. When Mocha said that he was "a little boy that turned into a dragon", I was expecting him to be a miniature of Vegapunk's dragon. But I'm sure Kinemon will be thrilled to see Luffy soaring out of the trash dump on his son's measly back. :p And pertaining to what I said about the vents, I was thinking that if Luffy rides Momo into them, he could fly through the building, and end up in Caeser's room to finally have his fight. I'd love to see something like that happen.
-Smoker Vs. Vergo: So far, this fight is fantastic. Vergo's attacks only somewhat working, and you can see Smoker's determination to win is really showing through. His Vergo smack down to end this chapter's portion of the fight was superb. Not much more to say about the fight, but I'd like to dabble in each character's coming-to so far.
-Smoker: So far, it seems like he has really improved over the past 2 years. Originally fighting against Law, though he lost, he put up more than a fight, and could have had a higher chance at success if he had known of Law's heart swap and steal techniques. But nonetheless, he is putting up an outstanding fight against Vergo, who seemingly beat Law (though it was totally unfair). I really have high hopes for Smoker, and I would really love to see him win this fight.
-Vergo: It's becoming more evident and much more likely that Vergo doesn't have a DF. He just uses his haki and a bamboo stick, that's all there is to it. BUT, there's the fact that he was able to fracture Sanji's leg, SANJI'S LEG. He fractured the leg of the dude who specializes in kicks and leg movements. That's gotta mean something. And I know it's been say a million times, but there is always the possibility of him being a Pacifista. Well, yes and no, but here's what I think.
-He is seemingly a metal man, but doesn't seem to have any fruit. It can't be a magnet fruit 'cause Kid already has that. So the only fruit possibility in my eyes is metal, but I just don't see it happening.
-Vergo has been with G5 for at least 2 years. Well, he has been there the whole time Smoker and Tashigi have been, and has to have been there for a few years before because the G5 good-for-nothings had already seen him as a parent of sorts.
-By being there that long, it makes it harder to believe that he could be a newer Pacifista because that would mean he had to be made at least 4 years ago, so it would be strange if there weren't anymore of his kind by this point, unless he was a "failed" project. Plus, if he was created that long ago, he might have been created to solely work for Doflamingo, which would explain why there are no more of his kind. And would also show that he was sent straight to working with Caeser at the lab.
-Now, pertaining to Vergo as a character, I see him to be one laid back motherfucker. He practically forgets who he is, and doesn't even know what type of weaponry he specializes in. Besides his idiocy, he is such a lax fighter. You can see his movements to be slow yet speedy, and he never fails to look dissapointed in his opponent's fighting style. He hasn't gotten much character development so far, but if he continues on after this fight, I can see him to grow into one dangerous and frightening foe. Also, going back to the Pacifista idea, if he was one, then maybe there's a bug in his wiring, which is why he forgets everything, and could be another reason for canceling the project (if there was one).-Law: So he isn't unconscious, which will give him a chance to get his heart back before the end of the fight. Depending on how Smoker and Vergo's fight goes, it will play into what happens to Law. If Vergo wins, Law doesn't get his heart back, and loses an ear. :p If Smoker wins, he retrieves his hear, and he and Smoker frolic away in victory. Oh, and R. I. P. Law's hat, you will be forever missed.
-Franky and the reinforcements: Someone made a comment last week, on which I based a little theory off of, so I feel I should repost it and see what you think:
STP_PS first said: In this chapter we dont see Ceasar at all and we havent seen Franky for the past 3 or four chapters. Next thing we know Ceasar captures Franky and takes him to Dressrosa with Baby 5 and Buffalo.
I really love this, and it's totally possible. Franky wasn't able to deal with Caeser's ability the first time around, and I doubt he came up with a plan to if they happen to meet again. Plus, this would bring back the whole idea of Caeser wanting his lazer (or canon? i dont remember), and would also give Luffy a reason to go to Dressrosa. Just an extra little thing to keep the ideas flowing.
No, please no, not another rescue arc. They are overdone. If a minor character got kidnapped then that would be more acceptable, but not a strawhat. Frankie should be able to take care of himself. There shouldn't be any more rescue arcs, heck we are technically in one now since the samurai dude( forgot his name lol) is looking for his son.
most of them are true except for "knowing=100% win" thing..
Ah I see, that was a misunderstanding then. I said that Smoker knew way too much about the fruit, not 100%. The move that finished him, however, was within his own explanation of Law's powers (MES being a "scalpel" attack).
So yeah, just like Primo11 said, he didn't follow his own advice there. That's why the "outhaxed" card can't be played, really.
When we think back to Enies Lobby, Kalifa stated that the key to fighting a Devil Fruit user is to know the ability:
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Luffy, Zoro, Nami & Usopp had to figure out a dozen df abilities in order to overcome their enemies. Smoker already knew what was necessary to win - and lost.
It's a bitter pill, especially since I really wanted him to be a major threat to Luffy. That's why I really hope that the fight against Vergo continues the way it does at the moment: badass comments, badass haki imbued attacks - and hopefully some sort of special attack unique to his devil fruit.
…For Vegapunk to've survived that blast, he'd've hadta' transform into a cyborg, right? Right?
Also, Vergo's black cane touched Smoker's sea-stone jutte and remained black. Surely this is proof that he's no D/F user.
@No:
I'd actualy preffer if Vergo is somehow not a DF user, because we already have Caesar as the resident ability user and realy, alot of characters introduced recently have had them and I'd like for them to be a little more rare. Same goes for Haki, at least as far as the King's Disposition is concerned.
Or in any case for there to be less Logia and more Zoans.
Finaly it wouldn't hurt to get an update on Rokushiki and I hope Vergo actualy delivers on that front. For something that showed up out of nowhere and yet seemed infinitely usefull for the marines to have it showed up like once since the end of EL back in the mid portion of Marineford and that's kinda odd. You'd expect people with Haki to be able to use these more effectively.
I wouldn't really like if that many people could just use Rokushiki perfectly. A few moves, yes, but if everyone would use it just like that, it would kinda downgrade the CP9 imho, who learned these moves their whole life. :/
@No:
alot of characters introduced recently have had them and I'd like for them to be a little more rare. Same goes for Haki, at least as far as the King's Disposition is concerned.
Or in any case for there to be less Logia and more Zoans.
As the story goes, the enemies get stronger, so it wouldn't be surprising that the villains are packed with Devil Fruits and haki.
And Fishman Island had only two new major characters that had a DF.
Also, Vergo's black cane touched Smoker's sea-stone jutte and remained black. Surely this is proof that he's no D/F user.
Only the tip of the jutte is sea stone, but I too doubt that Vergo has an ability at this point. He seems like a good example of what a Vice Admiral is capable of, namely outstanding haki mastery coupled with some CP9 moves.
@Massimo:
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…For Vegapunk to've survived that blast, he'd've hadta' transform into a cyborg, right? Right?
Also, Vergo's black cane touched Smoker's sea-stone jutte and remained black. Surely this is proof that he's no D/F user.
We have seen DF powers be used on sea stone before, Remember that Mr.3 creted keys to free both Ace and Marco from the sea stone cuffs. The sea stone affects the uses if it contacts their body…weapons or use of power on sea stone is not affected.
Also, its only the very tip of the jutte that has sea stone, the tip didn't touch Vergo or his bamboo cane
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the rest of the jutte isn't sea stone or else Smoker couldn't use it well because he's a DF user
Ah I see, that was a misunderstanding then. I said that Smoker knew way too much about the fruit, not 100%. The move that finished him, however, was within his own explanation of Law's powers (MES being a "scalpel" attack).
So yeah, just like Primo11 said, he didn't follow his own advice there. That's why the "outhaxed" card can't be played, really.
When we think back to Enies Lobby, Kalifa stated that the key to fighting a Devil Fruit user is to know the ability:
Luffy, Zoro, Nami & Usopp had to figure out a dozen df abilities in order to overcome their enemies. Smoker already knew what was necessary to win - and lost.
It's a bitter pill, especially since I really wanted him to be a major threat to Luffy. That's why I really hope that the fight against Vergo continues the way it does at the moment: badass comments, badass haki imbued attacks - and hopefully some sort of special attack unique to his devil fruit.
i guest that explain why nobody win against whitebeard.. nobody know his ability.
