He will die if Law stabs the heart, as long as Room is not active.
Well its not active now is it? So its very easy for him to kill Smoker now.
He will die if Law stabs the heart, as long as Room is not active.
Well its not active now is it? So its very easy for him to kill Smoker now.
He will die if Law stabs the heart, as long as Room is not active.
That does clear things up. What about the method Law used to take Smoker's heart? Do you think he used haki or just caught Smoker off guard?
That does clear things up. What about the method Law used to take Smoker's heart? Do you think he used haki or just caught Smoker off guard?
That still needs to be confirmed by Oda. Since Mes means scalpel, I think it is used to cut body parts with precision, ie. the heart. But the question still remains since Smoker is a logia, even if he cut him, he still shouldn't stay in physical form so this may show that Law possesses haki in order to keep Smoker's heart in solid form. I wonder why he faints after that though.
That still needs to be confirmed by Oda. Since Mes means scalpel, I think it is used to cut body parts with precision, ie. the heart. But the question still remains since Smoker is a logia, even if he cut him, he still shouldn't stay in physical form so this may show that Law possesses haki in order to keep Smoker's heart in solid form. I wonder why he faints after that though.
That was strange, it seems stealing hearts has a similar negative effect to having a shadow stolen, although not as long it. So the big question is, can Tashi still use Smoker's logia ability in his body? or is his logia ability sealed off until he gets his heart installed again?
That still needs to be confirmed by Oda. Since Mes means scalpel, I think it is used to cut body parts with precision, ie. the heart. But the question still remains since Smoker is a logia, even if he cut him, he still shouldn't stay in physical form so this may show that Law possesses haki in order to keep Smoker's heart in solid form. I wonder why he faints after that though.
i was thinking either that or since he's in law's room his real body is too, giving him full access to his body whether he's logia or not.
Did anyone notice that Smoker is the only Logia who never makes use of his element's inherent traits?
He only uses the powers that are inherent to every Logia. Like, intangibility and malleability.
But he never uses anything that actually relates to smoke. Like, asphyxiation.
Did anyone notice that Smoker is the only Logia who never makes use of his element's inherent traits?
He only uses the powers that are inherent to every Logia. Like, intangibility and malleability.
But he never uses anything that actually relates to smoke. Like, asphyxiation.
I noticed that as well, like in logue town he could have done that to luffy but mainly just wrapped his body in smoke. It could be Smoker doesn't like resorting to cheap tricks like that when he can beat his opponent with his jute and fists. It's also possible that Smoker's smoke isn't devoid of oxygen, so even if he covers someone's face in his smoke it won't kill them.
A good number of gases are non-flammable, some are inert, and some are even oxidizing.
Depends on what Oda decides to do with it, but I imagine weakness to fire would be a bit much, since unlike with Crocodile and water, fire will cause a chain reaction with gas.
My best guess is Caesar is similar to Magellan, and can create different gases at will.
He could use his weakness to his advantage as well just fill a room with his gas then light it to kill whatever is in the room also he could blow up ships by doing it as well!
He could also just turn his power off so that he is not flammable anymore as well.
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And where is that confirmed?
Stab yourself in your heart if you think you will not die from it then i dare you!
Did anyone notice that Smoker is the only Logia who never makes use of his element's inherent traits?
He only uses the powers that are inherent to every Logia. Like, intangibility and malleability.
But he never uses anything that actually relates to smoke. Like, asphyxiation.
Maybe he doesn't want to kill people, just capture them.
So I was wandering something. So far Oda has intruduced 10 Logia fruits in the manga (ice, magma, light, darkness, fire, swamp, smoke, lightning, gas, sand).
COnsidering that Logias are said to be extremely rare, how many more do you think we will see? And which element will they be?
So I was wandering something. So far Oda has intruduced 10 Logia fruits in the manga (ice, magma, light, darkness, fire, swamp, smoke, lightning, gas, sand).
COnsidering that Logias are said to be extremely rare, how many more do you think we will see? And which element will they be?
Probably a hand-full more.
Regardless, 10 people with logias to us seems common. But in the actual world of one piece, only ten people is an outrageously small number of people. Especially in comparison with all of the other devil fruits.
I think we'll see a lot more paramecia and zoan from here on out though. Paramecia produces so much possibility for creativity, and the introduction of ancient and mythical zoans created a whole new respect for zoans (for me atleast).
The Mythical or Ancient Zoan may be rare, but we're gonna see a lot of them in the New World because if you have those abilities, you're gonna be strong and that means you can handle the New World. I'm still hoping there will be a Dragon Zoan. It will be one of the devil fruits that grant flying.
I have the feeling that cesar clown fruit kind of take over his owner, maybe after a bad experiment, I mean doesn't he look like a devil or something?
It's a bit like this awaken zoan in impel down, it was the next step in devil fruit and I believe we will learn a little bit more about DF in this arc.
@O:
I have the feeling that cesar clown fruit kind of take over his owner, maybe after a bad experiment, I mean doesn't he look like a devil or something?
It's a bit like this awaken zoan in impel down, it was the next step in devil fruit and I believe we will learn a little bit more about DF in this arc.
Just look at all the other weird "humans" in One Piece, I don't think that Caeser's fruit has anything to do with his appearance. Except maybe being matching, since Oda does that a lot - matching powers, appearance and personality. Which makes sense tbh.
Just look at all the other weird "humans" in One Piece, I don't think that Caeser's fruit has anything to do with his appearance. Except maybe being matching, since Oda does that a lot - matching powers, appearance and personality. Which makes sense tbh.
It's kinda unrealistic though. Im not implying that anything in the OP world is realistic but I find it a bit irritating that almost every DF user that is introduced has a fruit that matches his/her appearance & personality.
It would be a bit more realistic if you could really get a un-matching power, that would be something. Like Nami with the Gura Gura no Mi.
Maybe they formed their appearance and personality so it would suit their fruit, who knows.
If Nami had the Gura Gura the crew wouldn't goof around.
It's kinda unrealistic though. Im not implying that anything in the OP world is realistic but I find it a bit irritating that almost every DF user that is introduced has a fruit that matches his/her appearance & personality.
It would be a bit more realistic if you could really get a un-matching power, that would be something. Like Nami with the Gura Gura no Mi.
Maybe it is the users who match their personality and appearance with the devil fruit power. Like Magellan eating poisoned food because because he actually enjoys it, I doubt he would if he didn't have the Venom fruit. We already know that carnivorous zoan type users become more aggressive, so the fruits may in fact affect the personality. As for appearance, I think Oda had to make it match for logical reasons. It would be weird to see Kizaru wearing red, Aokiji wearing yellow and Akainu wearing blue, for example. It just makes more sense if powers match appearance.
i'd also assume that people with fruits that suit their personalities well will tend to be stronger/grow more with their fruit. Foxy for example could have an insanely powerful fruit but he used it for retarded games to gain more weak crew members, hard to put any usefulness to it. Akainu on the the other hand is an extremist who wants to have control, having an overwhelmingly powerful fruit suits his style of justice well (black or white), not like his fruit suits him to take prisoners anyways.
I don't believe in this "most DF users have powers that match with their personality/appearance".
I don't believe in this "most DF users have powers that match with their personality/appearance".
- Clowns have nothing to do with body splitting.
- Mr. 5 has nothing that indicates that he can cause explosions.
- Mr. 2 doesn't look like somebody that can change his appearance.
- Mr. 1 looks like a martial artist. His power involves blades. What?
- Robin looks pretty normal. Sprouting limbs in any surface isn't normal.
- Crocodile looks like a mobster. How does that match with his sand powers?
- What's the connection between Bellamy and springs?
- Same question as above, but with Blueno and dimensional doors.
- Lucci, Kaku and Jabra hardly resemble a jaguar, a giraffe and a wolf in their human forms.
- Drake's outfit looks similar to that of a knight and his crew has a musketeer theme. Where does the dinosaur transformation fit?
- Bonney eats a lot. Totally related with age manipulation.
- Borsalino can move at light speed, but he has slow thinking.
- Ace is rather calm compared to other people with fire powers.
- Ivankov doesn't look like a genetic engineer. And what's Inazuma's relation with scissors?
Regarding Lucci, it's less about appearance and more about his killer instinct. Jabra is in the same boat as he plays the 'wolf in sheeps clothing' pretty well. Not every person with a fruit seem perfectly matched, but if you look between the lines quite a few of them make perfect sense.
I don't believe in this "most DF users have powers that match with their personality/appearance".
- Clowns have nothing to do with body splitting.
- Mr. 5 has nothing that indicates that he can cause explosions.
- Mr. 2 doesn't look like somebody that can change his appearance.
- Mr. 1 looks like a martial artist. His power involves blades. What?
- Robin looks pretty normal. Sprouting limbs in any surface isn't normal.
- Crocodile looks like a mobster. How does that match with his sand powers?
- What's the connection between Bellamy and springs?
- Same question as above, but with Blueno and dimensional doors.
- Lucci, Kaku and Jabra hardly resemble a jaguar, a giraffe and a wolf in their human forms.
- Drake's outfit looks similar to that of a knight and his crew has a musketeer theme. Where does the dinosaur transformation fit?
- Bonney eats a lot. Totally related with age manipulation.
- Borsalino can move at light speed, but he has slow thinking.
- Ace is rather calm compared to other people with fire powers.
- Ivankov doesn't look like a genetic engineer. And what's Inazuma's relation with scissors?
I thought Lucci was a Leopard.
Regarding Lucci, it's less about appearance and more about his killer instinct. Jabra is in the same boat as he plays the 'wolf in sheeps clothing' pretty well. Not every person with a fruit seem perfectly matched, but if you look between the lines quite a few of them make perfect sense.
But you have to look way too deep between the lines in order for it to make sense for most of them.
- Borsalino can move at light speed, but he has slow thinking.
- Ivankov doesn't look like a genetic engineer.
I think that Kizaru's slow thinking is the joke. He also has a yellow theme. You could guess his power before his appearance.
And Ivankov's relation to hormones and body manipulation is obvious, I don't understand the confusion there.
I agree with the others, though. Especially Bellamy, I mean… That don't make sense.
Some do, some don't. It's not just about appearance too, it's about personality.
But you have to look way too deep between the lines in order for it to make sense for most of them.
I don't really think you need to look quite so deep, a few of them are quite obvious, I would say more often the user and ability make perfect sense than not. Bellamy for example would be one that confuses me, although I have a feeling that match is more related to how a spring might be used than the literal meaning/use of a spring, for example when I saw Bellamy and his ability, he reminded me of a jack in the box, surprising and somewhat creepy.
Most users use their abilities to suit their personalities, so the fruit and users personality kind of go hand in hand right? For example Foxy has a potentially powerful fruit but he uses it to goof off and make up for his 'short' comings, slow down those that out match him to make it somewhat even.
It's kinda unrealistic though. Im not implying that anything in the OP world is realistic but I find it a bit irritating that almost every DF user that is introduced has a fruit that matches his/her appearance & personality.
It would be a bit more realistic if you could really get a un-matching power, that would be something. Like Nami with the Gura Gura no Mi.
Well, I meant it makes sense from the writer's point of view - Oda obviously matches these things, and it's generally very uncommon for someone in fiction to wield powers that don't match the rest of his character.
i think the samurais devil fruit will be called the fuku fuku no mi (cloth cloth fruit) what do you think?
@Monkey:
i think the samurais devil fruit will be called the fuku fuku no mi (cloth cloth fruit) what do you think?
It´s a fruit that enables sorcery, so I doubt that´d be the name…
the fruit is about disguises not sorcery, the samurai calls his power sorcery because he doesnt know what Devil Fruits are
@Monkey:
the fruit is about disguises not sorcery, the samurai calls his power sorcery because he doesnt know what Devil Fruits are
exactly so did should be some disguise diguise no mi , not cloth cloth
exactly so did should be some disguise diguise no mi , not cloth cloth
Does that cover talking farts too?
Kinemon's DF is just supposed to replicate yokai powers.
Several yokai, including Kitsune, can change the form of themselves or others, if a leaf is placed over the subject's head.
Judging by Kinemon's epithet, his DF may have more powers associated with the Kitsune, unrelated to disguises.
Judging by Kinemon's epithet, his DF may have more powers associated with the Kitsune, unrelated to disguises.
Wouldn't a kitsune DF be more likely a mythical zoan type DF? I doubt a random samurai would have such a power. It could be a sorcery-sorcery no mi, since a cloth-cloth no mi would be useless and no fruit besides the sube-sube no mi has been that useless. I think we need to see more of its power before we decide it's name, nobody guessed Law's DF name despite his name because the ability was so weird.
Wouldn't a kitsune DF be more likely a mythical zoan type DF? I doubt a random samurai would have such a power. It could be a sorcery-sorcery no mi, since a cloth-cloth no mi would be useless and no fruit besides the sube-sube no mi has been that useless. I think we need to see more of its power before we decide it's name, nobody guessed Law's DF name despite his name because the ability was so weird.
Umm, it turned this:
Into this:
I would hardly call that useless :P
Anyone else think about Devil Fruit weaknesses to other Devil Fruits? I mean somehow Ace's fire and Aokiji's ice cancel each other out, but Akainu's magma destroys Ace's fire BUT doesn't make mince meat out of Aokiji? Considering Aokiji and Ace were on a similar level with their two attacks. Not to mention Smoker when he was a captain was able to go toe to toe with Ace because their fruits cancel? Oda needs to make something clear because if magma beats fire it has to beat ice, and if smoke and fire are equal then Ace being Admiral or Vice-Admiral level at the time should have owned Smoker. Any reasons why a logia type that should have been awesome was defeated so easily?
different match-ups matter a lot, just because ace and aokiji cancel each other out and fire>magma doesn't mean aokiji is at a disadvantage, if you think about it ice is water, he could cool the magma and solidify it. the reason fire and smoke cancel each other out is because they literally have no effect on one another, the way they were just blasting at each other was pretty pointless too, but imo if ace had wanted to he probably could've gotten the upper hand.
different match-ups matter a lot, just because ace and aokiji cancel each other out and fire>magma doesn't mean aokiji is at a disadvantage, if you think about it ice is water, he could cool the magma and solidify it. the reason fire and smoke cancel each other out is because they literally have no effect on one another, the way they were just blasting at each other was pretty pointless too, but imo if ace had wanted to he probably could've gotten the upper hand.
Not to mention that nonsense was only in the anime. But yeah , we don't really know what happened. Still though, I don't see ice as having a disadvantage against magma, not when they meet and the ice becomes water. Besides it would have to take an all out immunity to a DF power for the any one of the old Admirals to have a disadvantage against one another.
If one Admiral was Rubber and the other was lightning, the fact that they are still Admirals is enough for the fight to be even I bet.
Not to mention that nonsense was only in the anime.
Was there any fight between the two in the manga at all? If not then my comment doesn't mean anything, if there was any sort of fight where they were evenly matched it makes no sense. If you say magma melts ice into water and thus they are even, then how does magma out 'fire' fire?
Actually the fight between Ace and Aoikiji was Filler; That never happened in the Manga.
IMO if Oda drew Ace Vs Aoikiji than Ace would have had no Chance.
Even if Ace were to somehow have the advantage with the devil Ability, It really wouldn't matter anyway.
The fighting Experience, Level of Haki and all other things considered it would leave Ace with Zero chance for victory.
Ace vs Aokiji did happen. And Oda did draw it, even if it is for just one page.
Actually the fight between Ace and Aoikiji was Filler; That never happened in the Manga.
IMO if Oda drew Ace Vs Aoikiji than Ace would have had no Chance.
Even if Ace were to somehow have the advantage with the devil Ability, It really wouldn't matter anyway.
The fighting Experience, Level of Haki and all other things considered it would leave Ace with Zero chance for victory.
No it happened Chapter 572 pg. 8, granted it's longer in the anime but the scene is the exact same…
Oh thanks for the correction.
Always thought that was a filler.
Well, regardless I wouldn't change my previous statement.
Given Ace might have the advantage when it comes to Devil ability but when you consider all things, Aoikiji is just on a whole another scale.
I agree with this statement.
@RomanceDawn:
If one Admiral was Rubber and the other was lightning, the fact that they are still Admirals is enough for the fight to be even I bet.
Oh thanks for the correction.
Always thought that was a filler.
Well, regardless I wouldn't change my previous statement.
Given Ace might have the advantage when it comes to Devil ability but when you consider all things, Aoikiji is just on a whole another scale.I agree with this statement.
Jozu and Kuzan were even until Jozu got distracted. And I really doubt that Jozu is much stronger than Ace or if he is even stronger than Ace at all.
Kuzan is not on a whole another scale.
@Monkey:
i think the samurais devil fruit will be called the fuku fuku no mi (cloth cloth fruit) what do you think?
Nope, it can turn things like rocks into whatever basic object he wants he also might be able to turn rocks into fools gold or fake money but if they get wet/damaged they turn back to rocks lol.
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Jozu and Kuzan were even until Jozu got distracted. And I really doubt that Jozu is much stronger than Ace.
Kuzan is not on a whole another scale.
Jozu has been in Whitebeard's crew since the start however Ace was only out at sea for 2 years big difference in fighting experience also Ace would have gotten stronger if he had lived maybe he would have even became a future yonkou if Whitebeard had lived longer but its 100% Whitebeard and Shanks fault they both could have raped Blackbeard if Shanks or Whitebeard had gone themselves at the time instead of just sending Ace.
@Law:
Jozu has been in Whitebeard's crew since the start however Ace was only out at sea for 2 years big difference in fighting experience also Ace would have gotten stronger if he had lived maybe he would have even became a future yonkou if Whitebeard had lived longer but its 100% Whitebeard and Shanks fault they both could have raped Blackbeard if Shanks or Whitebeard had gone themselves at the time instead of just sending Ace.
Ace wasn't sent by anyone, he chose to chase blackbeard on his own, against his captain's will.
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Jozu and Kuzan were even until Jozu got distracted. And I really doubt that Jozu is much stronger than Ace or if he is even stronger than Ace at all.
Kuzan is not on a whole another scale.
Jozu gets a free shot on aokiji and barely does anything.
Then they fight off panel for a few mins. Then the instant jozu loses focus
He is destroyed. Yea really sounds like they are close to the same level.
he sent aokiji flying the same way he did to crocodile, seems legit to me. Besides, they're coming to war, with old and sick whitebeard, they know he won't be able to handle the 3 admirals alone, so they obviously need to have some skill to help him out. They might not be stronger than the admirals, but in a 1 on 1 fight from what we've seen we can easily assume they weren't going to be outclassed. it took a distraction on each side (exterior help in kizaru's case too) for them to get the upper hand.
@Law:
Jozu has been in Whitebeard's crew since the start however Ace was only out at sea for 2 years big difference in fighting experience
That's true but I always assumed commanders were ordered by strength Marco being the 1st makes him the strongest Ace was 2nd, Jozu 3rd, Thatch was 4th ect. I know this was/hasn't been explicitly stated but it seemed that way in the War of the Best. Also Ace started in a much weaker state than the others he was already banged up and probably weak from hunger after being in Impel Down completely chained up.
Back to the Devil Fruit discussion, I can understand Ace and Aokiji being equal if fire melts ice into water which creates steam and even if the same goes for Akainu vs Aokiji. How then would Magma trump Fire?
That's true but I always assumed commanders were ordered by strength Marco being the 1st makes him the strongest Ace was 2nd, Jozu 3rd, Thatch was 4th ect. I know this was/hasn't been explicitly stated but it seemed that way in the War of the Best. Also Ace started in a much weaker state than the others he was already banged up and probably weak from hunger after being in Impel Down completely chained up.
Back to the Devil Fruit discussion, I can understand Ace and Aokiji being equal if fire melts ice into water which creates steam and even if the same goes for Akainu vs Aokiji. How then would Magma trump Fire?
Oda logic. No use analyzing it too much xD
Oda logic. No use analyzing it too much xD
I know but I get OCD with these things and try to justify EVERYTHING. I guess I'll go with magma is like rocks on fire so fire would have no effect on the rocks because they are already melted/burning but throw rocks on a fire and it will extinguish it. LOL, yeah nvrmnd damn you Oda why do you make me love your manga so much?