The ninjas in Naruto needs Joseph, only him to teach how to retreat and think about what to do.
Naruto and Bleach: Let's put this thread to bed I
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AND NOW FOR A TRIP TO THE BLEACH WIKIA'S FULLBRING ARTICLE
http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Fullbring
Fullbring is a special ability which certain Humans are born with, in which they can manipulate the "soul" of matter for a variety of effects. Fullbringers each have a parent who was attacked by a Hollow before they were born. Traces of the Hollows' powers remained in their mothers' bodies, which were then passed onto them when they were born. Thus, the powers resemble those of Hollows more than they resemble those of Shinigami's.
Unlike other powers, the Fullbring abilities do not and cannot change through growth. However, Fullbringers must progress to a certain level before they can use their abilities to their fullest. As such, the Fullbring of a user that has not reached such a level appears to be different, and can be considered "incomplete". When the Fullbring reaches its full potential and evolves to their final stage, it will emit a violent burst of energy that can damage the user's body. Therefore, another Fullbring user is required to oversee the process in order to block the explosion and prevent the recently complete Fullbring from damaging its user.
I dare someone to ask Kubo on Twitter to regurgitate that (read: obtuse, confusing and arbitrary)
rationalizationdescription of Fullbring powers off the top his head.One wonders what the practical difference is between a power that evolves, and one that doesn't but you have to work towards mastering it so that you can achieve its full effect. They're pretty much the same in the end.
Fullbring can be used for a variety of different things. Fullbring users can perform feats such as, pulling out the soul of a drink to have it help him drink it, pulling the soul out of the asphalt to make it more elastic or to even be able to walk on water by pulling on its soul.
"However, a Fullbringer will never use these abilities in battle because Fullbring makes the user a loathsome imbecile."
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First off, summoning itself is not a method of transporation. Summoning is just the act of calling someone to you. You can summon someone, and they can walk to you, run to you, travel by plane, train, automobile or use instant teleportation. The summons in Naruto appear to use that last option.
Summoning can be used as a method of transportation though, as Pa Frog did for Naruto to get him to and from Mt. Myobakuzan (spelling?) so Naruto wouldn't have to take the month long detour on foot.
Now the question is, why is it that the summon contract method of teleportation is completely safe for living beings, but not Mabui's method? The main difference between the two appears to be that there is no signed contract with Mabui's jutsu. In that case, what does the contract do? How does it allow for safe teleportation? Things like this really do need to be explained or else it becomes really confusing.
Yeah, this. I'd very much like this aspect explained.
The difference between summoning and teleportation. Summoning is a Space Time Ninjutsu.
! Teleportation is high speed movement.
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That's what I was referring to in my previous post which I notice I made a mistake in. I said teleportation can be mistaken for high speed movement in this manga when in truth teleportation IS high speed movement in 'Naruto'. Space Time Ninjutsus are even better because you literally disappear from the plane of existence and reappear back but in a different location (the reason why it's called a space time ninjutsu because you're using a different space in time I believe). It's better than high-speed movement because that can be tracked if you can follow the person. Space Time Ninjutsus like the one Tobi uses where he warps himself around is a much higher level tech and is nearly impossible to track. Minato also has a Space Time Ninjutsu, FTG (Flying Thunder God) technique. With this he summons himself to the special markings which can be placed on anyone or anything. That's why he was called the "fastest" ninja alive though he wasn't really moving but slipping in and out of space.Mabui's technique was high speed movement.
! It traveled the person or thing at the speed of light which can understandably be damaging to the human body. That's why her technique was dangerous when used on living things. A summoning contract allows for a Space Time Ninjutsu which slips the person through a void and avoids the hassle of damaging the person's body through unnatural speeds.
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As for the discussion regarding FTG nothing in this chapter changed the rules about it. The user of FTG (or users in this case) can transport whatever he/she wants to a marking. That's why the 3 ninja and the Mizuakage were all transported towards Tsunade's position. It's like when Minato used the FTG to transport not only himself but the Kyubi too over to that isolated area.
! The marking was placed on Tsunade beforehand so that's how the 3 ninjas and the Mizukage were all transported there when they used FTG.
! That's it really.
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Thus, the powers resemble those of Hollows more than they resemble those of Shinigami's.
I never understood this whole "powers similar to Hollows" business. Isn't the power of a Hollow basically to just be big and tear shit up (oh, and I guess they fire cero beams or whatever)
How does Chad's or any of the other fullbringers power resemble a Hollow's powers at all?
Unlike other powers, the Fullbring abilities do not and cannot change through growth. However, Fullbringers must progress to a certain level before they can use their abilities to their fullest. As such, the Fullbring of a user that has not reached such a level appears to be different, and can be considered "incomplete".
Isn't this basically just to-may-to, to-mah-to?
Summoning can be used as a method of transportation though, as Pa Frog did for Naruto to get him to and from Mt. Myobakuzan (spelling?) so Naruto wouldn't have to take the month long detour on foot.
NO! Summoning is not the method of transportation! Using the scroll or whatever is the method of transportation!
The difference between summoning and teleportation. Summoning is a Space Time Ninjutsu.
! http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2972/20479411.jpgTeleportation is high speed movement.
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http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4128/naruto7960.jpgThat's what I was referring to in my previous post which I notice I made a mistake in. I said teleportation can be mistaken for high speed movement in this manga when in truth teleportation IS high speed movement in 'Naruto'. Space Time Ninjutsus are even better because you literally disappear from the plane of existence and reappear back but in a different location (the reason why it's called a space time ninjutsu because you're using a different space in time I believe). It's better than high-speed movement because that can be tracked if you can follow the person. Space Time Ninjutsus like the one Tobi uses where he warps himself around is a much higher level tech and is nearly impossible to track. Minato also has a Space Time Ninjutsu, FTG (Flying Thunder God) technique. With this he summons himself to the special markings which can be placed on anyone or anything. That's why he was called the "fastest" ninja alive though he wasn't really moving but slipping in and out of space.Mabui's technique was high speed movement.
! http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1959/27357776.jpgIt traveled the person or thing at the speed of light which can understandably be damaging to the human body. That's why her technique was dangerous when used on living things. A summoning contract allows for a Space Time Ninjutsu which slips the person through a void and avoids the hassle of damaging the person's body through unnatural speeds.
All right, fair enough. Thank you for clearing that up.
But as Robby said, it's pretty ridiculous that the common summoning jutsu, which can teleport people pretty much anywhere in the world instantaneously, hasn't been used more extensively or effectively.
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NO! Summoning is not the method of transportation! Using the scroll or whatever is the method of transportation!
Ah, ok, yeah you do need a special marker/seal or contract written on a scroll for the transportation to take place. I'm just saying that summoning someone can be a convenient way of transporting that person from one place to wherever you are.
All right, fair enough. Thank you for clearing that up.
But as Robby said, it's pretty ridiculous that the common summoning jutsu, which can teleport people pretty much anywhere in the world instantaneously, hasn't been used more extensively or effectively.
No problem .
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I never understood this whole "powers similar to Hollows" business. Isn't the power of a Hollow basically to just be big and tear shit up (oh, and I guess they fire cero beams or whatever)
How does Chad's or any of the other fullbringers power resemble a Hollow's powers at all?
To be fair to Chad, his whole schtick (other than being the Worf of the group) is being a huge guy who can tear shit up. And he can fire death beams from his demonic looking arms.
That being said, yeah the rest of these Fullbring people feel more Shinigami like than Hollow. And if you think about, giving Shinigami powers to Hollows were the catalyst to creating the incredibly dangerous group known as Arrancar. And the most dangerous things the living world and spiritual world has had to contend with were rogue Shinigami.
…. Looks to me like if there's one power that has the potential to cause the most death and destruction, it lies within the Shinigami.
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well i dont think my opinions are much cared for anymore but for my own satisfaction im going to continue to post…..
i just wanted to show how fans can make bleach seem WAY more interesting than it actualy is...
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well i dont think my opinions are much cared for anymore but for my own satisfaction im going to continue to post…..
i just wanted to show how fans can make bleach seem WAY more interesting than it actualy is…
This got you some respect points.
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Everyone seems to find the latest chapter of Naruto quite exciting etc, but I personally find myself quite unphased by it.
I mean, on paper "All the kages together fighting against the series' long awaited and hyped super villain" sounds cool but, man, I sure do not give a shit about any of the kages:
- I'm already sick of Gaara.
- Tsunade was a fine character at first, but she got worst and worst with every passing arc.
- Raikage is one of the worst characters in the manga. If it wasn't for team 7, hawk and killer B, he'd by THE worst IMO.
- That other woman was introduced way too late for me to be interested in her.
- Same for Tsuchikage, although he's kinda allright.
So really, can't say I'm looking foreward to this.
Hope that they'll at least put on a decent show, although I'm almost certain next chapter will be primarely talking.One thing I liked however, is how Naruto is hidden by Tsuchikage in that final spread. It's like a "you don't belong here" straight to his face, which I find sweet. God I hate Naruto (the character).
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I will accept and lean towards the naruto theory being literred with plotholes. The warp technique complexity was just unnecessary, and it being restricted to objects was one idea…. Wouldnt it be easier to just summon an animal in preparation which in turn summons the desired person if needed (which is also the safer route). Strategic plans, whats that?Bleach:
Okay, a flashback to each of the Fullbringers and how they reason they hate shinigami for being on their high horses. I can understand the situation as they've clearly been mindwarped to think the way they do. The entire situation with Tsukishima being the mastermind is a true fact, all he ever did was make facts about a person/object true by striking a blow. Ginjo being the first substitute death god, is just a diversion.
Or thats how I like to think about it.My only problem is, why is rukia going along with Riruka? (Very different names, ohohoho. Just add a second 'R' and move the 'i') She clearly shows she has been brainwashed when even the flashbacks dont show any possible understandings as to why they hate death gods. All we've seen for the past few flashbacks is how they came to be the one they are today, either by interacting with former friends or family, or Ginjo.
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Everyone seems to find the latest chapter of Naruto quite exciting etc, but I personally find myself quite unphased by it.
Raikage heresy aside, you are spot on. I find it quite hard to be excited by the prospect of a big fight by already proven to be incompetent and irrelevant top tier characters.
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Imagine how much more interesting this would be if the kages had actually killed Sasuke.
But that kind of unexpected turn with ramifications, world and character building is more a HunterXHunter thing.
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If you look at that Kage spread for a while it becomes clear that Onoki isn't levitating, but being held up by the Naruto clone behind him.
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I will accept and lean towards the naruto theory being literred with plotholes. The warp technique complexity was just unnecessary, and it being restricted to objects was one idea…. Wouldnt it be easier to just summon an animal in preparation which in turn summons the desired person if needed (which is also the safer route). Strategic plans, whats that?Bleach:
Okay, a flashback to each of the Fullbringers and how they reason they hate shinigami for being on their high horses. I can understand the situation as they've clearly been mindwarped to think the way they do. The entire situation with Tsukishima being the mastermind is a true fact, all he ever did was make facts about a person/object true by striking a blow. Ginjo being the first substitute death god, is just a diversion.
Or thats how I like to think about it.My only problem is, why is rukia going along with Riruka? (Very different names, ohohoho. Just add a second 'R' and move the 'i') She clearly shows she has been brainwashed when even the flashbacks dont show any possible understandings as to why they hate death gods. All we've seen for the past few flashbacks is how they came to be the one they are today, either by interacting with former friends or family, or Ginjo.
And Rukia only goes: ;(All animals can't summon and can't even talk. Some of them don't even have hands. I doubt they can all do what the Toad Sages do. Tsaunde is the one with the seal on her to summon Mizakage. Raikage would still have to travel using that method because he never signed a contract with the slugs.
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@RobbyBevard:
Imagine how much more interesting this would be if the kages had actually killed Sasuke.
But that kind of unexpected turn with ramifications, world and character building is more a HunterXHunter thing.
Interesting? How would that even make any sense?
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Naruto was good. Am I the only one who also liked that speech? Maybe it was for the music I was listening to, but that panel of Gaara etc getting up again had quite some vibe to it.
Bleach… Was a mess. Normally I don't care about late chapter titles and Kubo's "style", but that was just confusing as fuck. Especially the 1st part of Riruka's flashback, at first I thought that was supposed to be the gamerkid. Stuff like that works in anime, but not in manga.
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- Raikage is one of the worst characters in the manga. If it wasn't for team 7, hawk and killer B, he'd by THE worst IMO.
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Interesting? How would that even make any sense?
I dunno man. I mean, a 15-years old rookie who just freshly developed the "full" (not even quite that) potential of his clan power should easily be able to finish off the five leaders of the big ninja world countries, who are considered to be the strongest and most reliable and renown warriors of their respective countries!
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Okay. Now ure not making any sense
All animals can't summon and can't even talk. Some of them don't even have hands. I doubt they can all do what the Toad Sages do. Tsaunde is the one with the seal on her to summon Mizakage. Raikage would still have to travel using that method because he never signed a contract with the slugs.
Most of the summoned animals we see up to now has been able to talk. Toads, Slugs, Dogs (Kakashi's), Monkeys (Sarutobi's), Snakes, need I go on? Now. the toads have sages, i.e: their clan's "superior". It makes very much sense to think that each of the animals also have their own "sages", which would of course have the ability and chakra to use a summon jutsu. About hands, well that sort of logic never bothered with Kishi before, for all we now snakes can just use their heads as hand replacements. My point is: I disagree with the bolded statement of yours.
Interesting? How would that even make any sense?
Firstly: Since when does the word "interesting" and "sensible" directly relates to each other????? Things doesn't have to make sense to be interesting, thats why we have fantasy stories in the first place
Secondly: Why doesn't it make sense for the kages to kill Sasuke??? Do u think that Sasuke is stronger than all the Kages combined? Or is it because plotwise it will make Naruto lose all meaning of existence if Sasuke were to be killed. Which in both cases shows a clear sign of bad story writing
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Naruto was good. Am I the only one who also liked that speech? Maybe it was for the music I was listening to, but that panel of Gaara etc getting up again had quite some vibe to it.
Bleach… Was a mess. Normally I don't care about late chapter titles and Kubo's "style", but that was just confusing as fuck. Especially the 1st part of Riruka's flashback, at first I thought that was supposed to be the gamerkid. Stuff like that works in anime, but not in manga.
...what the fuck am i reading?!
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I dunno man. I mean, a 15-years old rookie who just freshly developed the "full" (not even quite that) potential of his clan power should easily be able to finish off the five leaders of the big ninja world countries, who are considered to be the strongest and most reliable and renown warriors of their respective countries!
1. Sasuke got his ass whipped and saved like every Shonen main character ever.
2. Sasuke would of died like 3 times
3. Age has means noting in the Naruto world. Kishi has shown that people become genius way at a young age Sasuke,Itachi, Minato, Gaara, Naruto, Kakashi etc…. These guys were doing crazy stuff at 15-20 years old. Kishi has shown some people become great at young ages. Even Choji is growing at a fast rate compared to others.Anyways i agree with you about him saying Raikage and Killerbee is bad. I didn't respond to him becuase people can have their own opinion on characters. I think Whitebeard wasn't such a great character until the way he died. His first real showing and it's reveal he wanted a family and doesn't want OP. Wait what? Why didn't you just go settle down and have some freaking Kids. He then proceeds to get stabbed by some guy he calls his "son" and gets half his face hit off(Can magically speak with half a brain through). Akainu(the true badass) told him what is really up and he got butthurt by the truth.
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Personally I love Killer Bee. He's just a fun character.
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Okay. Now ure not making any sense
Most of the summoned animals we see up to now has been able to talk. Toads, Slugs, Dogs (Kakashi's), Monkeys (Sarutobi's), Snakes, need I go on? Now. the toads have sages, i.e: their clan's "superior". It makes very much sense to think that each of the animals also have their own "sages", which would of course have the ability and chakra to use a summon jutsu. About hands, well that sort of logic never bothered with Kishi before, for all we now snakes can just use their heads as hand replacements. My point is: I disagree with the bolded statement of yours.
Firstly: Since when does the word "interesting" and "sensible" directly relates to each other????? Things doesn't have to make sense to be interesting, thats why we have fantasy stories in the first place
Secondly: Why doesn't it make sense for the kages to kill Sasuke??? Do u think that Sasuke is stronger than all the Kages combined? Or is it because plotwise it will make Naruto lose all meaning of existence if Sasuke were to be killed. Which in both cases shows a clear sign of bad story writing
I said all animals can't summon(No hands) or even talk. Sasuke Bird, All of Pains summons,Temari's summon, Danzo summon etc….
You have a point about it will be interesting, but IMO it would make no sense becuase thats what the story is building towards. Naruto won't lose his meaning of exitence, but it still won't make any sense. It's like me saying it would be interesting if Zoro died against Kumo.
Naruto would be sad, but he would still go on and become Hokage.
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you know what else would have been interesting? if the people who got killed in the pein arc didn't get revived. of course since it's a manga, when a shit ton of the main cast gets killed off, you just know they're coming back e.g. FMA. I just wonder how it would have affected later arcs if that had been the case.
when I first heard that naruto had rapping ninjas, I was like W.T.F. but if it's Bee, I have no problems. it's just makes me cringe a little when naruto does it.
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you know what else would have been interesting? if the people who got killed in the pein arc didn't get revived. of course since it's a manga, when a shit ton of the main cast gets killed off, you just know they're coming back e.g. FMA. I just wonder how it would have affected later arcs if that had been the case.
when I first heard that naruto had rapping ninjas, I was like W.T.F. but if it's Bee, I have no problems. it's just makes me cringe a little when naruto does it.
LOL Naruto rapping is surposed to have that affect. I actually agree and wish more people would of stayed dead through.
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I said all animals can't summon(No hands) or even talk. Sasuke Bird, All of Pains summons,Temari's summon, Danzo summon etc….
U see. This is why u have to at least try to be careful in choosing ur words. If u say "ALL", then I've just proved u wrong, but yes some of em can't talk.
But my other point still stands, if the toads (the typically "lower" class animal) CAN have a sage. Than all the rest supposedly "higher" class animals (eagles, snakes, etc) WILL have their own version of the Sages. And those sages SHOULD be able to use summoning Jutsu. Does that make sense to u?
You have a point about it will be interesting, but IMO it would make no sense becuase thats what the story is building towards. Naruto won't lose his meaning of exitence, but it still won't make any sense. It's like me saying it would be interesting if Zoro died against Kumo.
Naruto would be sad, but he would still go on and become Hokage.
I would agree that Zoro dying against Kuma is interesting, but it has got nothing to do with it making sense or not. The only reason he's still alive is because Oda still needs him in the story to help Luffy achieve his goal.
Now I'm confused… Sasuke is what the story is building towards? Isn't Naruto being the Hokage is what the story SHOULD be building towards? The way u said it makes it sound like the Hokage is just a secondary objective now.
IF Sasuke were to die then, Naruto would just have to overcome that grief (to compare, Luffy has gone through that sort of grief). And realize that accepting a loss of a dear "friend" is part of growing up, its a part of being a great leader, and he shouldn't let it distract him from his main goal. Now that is character progression. Does that make sense to u?
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Lol. I know you guys are quite fond of Raikage, but I personally, and that's all it is, my own 100% subjective opinion, find him really lame.
I'll just share my reasoning so that I don't seem asshole-ish or something like that:Raikage always appears for me as this guy who's constantly carrying this sign written by Kishimoto saying "please, think this guy is hardcore/badass".
He's a character who was written by using every existing cliché in the "how to make a hardcore character" book. And even that would be allright if he wasn't so forced. And that's really the bottom-line to me: he's not a natural, he's forced, and the author tries too hard with him.And really, a lot of these "iconic moments" for him seem kinda retarded to me…prime example is the way he lost his arm to Sasuke, and almost got himself killed if it wasn't for Gaara. His actions there weren't "badassery", they were plain stupidity.
I do like his abilities and fighting style though...although Killua did it first. I'm really fond of anything lightning-based anyway.
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But Raikage power-bombed Sasuke.
Shouldn't that make him instant-awesome?
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Anyone who does incredible harm to Sasuke within a short amount of time is okay in my book.
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Killer Bee did it even better! XD He freakin' messed him up good.
Just when he got his mangekyou sharingan, everyone tought he became invincible, and would ruin the then unknown 8-tails…then BOOM! Him AND his team get the humiliation of a lifetime.Damn, if only he didn't have that stereotypical "rapping" nonsense side to him...
Now, if I was to name one truly hardcore/badass/well written/has more to him than meet the eye/well conceptualized Naruto character, it'd be Kisame. He's one of Kishimoto's greatest successes if you ask me, remaining great all the way through his death and final flashback.
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No, the rapping and enka only add to Bee's awesomeness, because you can imagine 'Dear Mama' being his leitmotif.
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For all intents and purposes Killer Bee killed Sasuke twice. That's fantastic.
You know, I just thought of something. If Naruto knew that Hachibi caused that much harm to his precious one he'd probably flip out and try to kill him like he always does when anyone so much as mentions harming a hair on his love's head.
Then Bee can kill Naruto too.
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Yeah let's kill Naruto! That sounds like fun. :D
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U see. This is why u have to at least try to be careful in choosing ur words. If u say "ALL", then I've just proved u wrong, but yes some of em can't talk.
But my other point still stands, if the toads (the typically "lower" class animal) CAN have a sage. Than all the rest supposedly "higher" class animals (eagles, snakes, etc) WILL have their own version of the Sages. And those sages SHOULD be able to use summoning Jutsu. Does that make sense to u?
I would agree that Zoro dying against Kuma is interesting, but it has got nothing to do with it making sense or not. The only reason he's still alive is because Oda still needs him in the story to help Luffy achieve his goal.
Now I'm confused… Sasuke is what the story is building towards? Isn't Naruto being the Hokage is what the story SHOULD be building towards? The way u said it makes it sound like the Hokage is just a secondary objective now.
IF Sasuke were to die then, Naruto would just have to overcome that grief (to compare, Luffy has gone through that sort of grief). And realize that accepting a loss of a dear "friend" is part of growing up, its a part of being a great leader, and he shouldn't let it distract him from his main goal. Now that is character progression. Does that make sense to u?
The story is building towards Naruto becoming Hokage, but Naruto wants to help Sasuke becuase he thinks he failed. Just like how Zoro is building towards fighting who ever is the strongest swordsmen at the end of the manga and him dying in a wtf moment might be interesting, but leave alot of people pissed. In Death Note they did killed L off. It was great, but i wanted L to catch him. It would be even worse if here if the last memory is Sasuke beating Naruto.
Things will always distract people from their main goals. The distraction can help them at the sametime through. Luffy going for Ace or helping out on vasries islands helps his experience and such.
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Killer Bee did it even better! XD He freakin' messed him up good.
Just when he got his mangekyou sharingan, everyone tought he became invincible, and would ruin the then unknown 8-tails…then BOOM! Him AND his team get the humiliation of a lifetime.Damn, if only he didn't have that stereotypical "rapping" nonsense side to him...
Now, if I was to name one truly hardcore/badass/well written/has more to him than meet the eye/well conceptualized Naruto character, it'd be Kisame. He's one of Kishimoto's greatest successes if you ask me, remaining great all the way through his death and final flashback.
I liked Hidan more then Kisame for some reason. He funny, but crazy at the same time.
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The story is building towards Naruto becoming Hokage, but Naruto wants to help Sasuke becuase he thinks he failed.
Naruto already has his foot in the door to become Hokage. Everyone trusts him. Tsunade just needs to die. And Sasuke didn't fail. He became a murderer wanted throughout the world.
Just like how Zoro is building towards fighting who ever is the strongest swordsmen
Don't do this…
It would be even worse if here if the last memory is Sasuke beating Naruto.
If Naruto dies, like now? I'd be happy.
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Naruto already has his foot in the door to become Hokage. Everyone trusts him. Tsunade just needs to die. And Sasuke didn't fail. He became a murderer wanted throughout the world.
Don't do this…
If Naruto dies, like now? I'd be happy.
I never said Sasuke failed and if you don't like Naruto you can just stop reading.
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Interesting? How would that even make any sense?
It would show that Kishimoto is actually willing to kill off prominent, young characters, something he's constantly failed to do in the past. It would be interesting to see where the story goes from there. True, Kishimoto has been constantly hyping the Naruto/Sasuke rivalry as the most important conflict in the manga, since Sasuke Retrieval arc (a good 300+ chapters now :getlost:). But as far as I'm concerned that's what killed the series,… so I'd like to Sasuke to die please!
And I've already said that Sasuke honestly does need to die. Because if he's saved by the power of friendship and love and Nakama and The Heart then it'll be total BS considering how often he's been portrayed as completely batshit insane by Kishi. So Naruto needs to end on the "tragedy" of Sasuke dying for Sasuke's derailment to make any bit of logic. So it all depends on whether Kishimoto has the testicular fortitude to kill off one of his most beloved characters (among fangirls). Here's a hint: He doesn't.
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Y'know, on the topic of Sasuke, I just know either outcome I won't be too happy.
If he's "redeemed" by friendship and all that jazz, then I'll just stare agape, wondering how an insane person like him can possibly be redeemed. Betraying the village, wanting to destroy Konoha in the name of his brother, the same brother he wanted to kill for the first half or so of the manga, etc.
But if he gets killed, I'll shake my head, wondering why so much time and plot had to be focused on him. Sure, the initial happiness would flux in, because an awful character like him would be gone, but it would make me regret and wonder…..what could've happened had Sasuke not even existed in the first place.
Although, the latter option sits with me a bit more than the former. Imo, the ideal option would to have Sasuke be erased from the manga's history completely, Kishi somehow taking all of the readers backwards through time to see the path the story would go without our
favoriteUchiha. But since that's not an option…../twocents
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So I watched the new Bleach episode for kicks, and all I have to say is. Kubo should quite doing manga and just make storyboards for this show. It took 4 chapters to make one episode, but it flowed together so well animated.
I mean, he would only have to draw a background once, draw character designs, and then script out everything. A perfect job for a capable artist as lazy as he is.
Also… Dat OP "Scandal" is so freaking catchy. And I want that black jacket Ichigo is wearing at the beginning of it.
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if you don't like Naruto you can just stop reading.
… But where would be the fun in that?
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@Kareem:
It would show that Kishimoto is actually willing to kill off prominent, young characters, something he's constantly failed to do in the past. It would be interesting to see where the story goes from there. True, Kishimoto has been constantly hyping the Naruto/Sasuke rivalry as the most important conflict in the manga, since Sasuke Retrieval arc (a good 300+ chapters now :getlost:). But as far as I'm concerned that's what killed the series,… so I'd like to Sasuke to die please!
And I've already said that Sasuke honestly does need to die. Because if he's saved by the power of friendship and love and Nakama and The Heart then it'll be total BS considering how often he's been portrayed as completely batshit insane by Kishi. So Naruto needs to end on the "tragedy" of Sasuke dying for Sasuke's derailment to make any bit of logic. So it all depends on whether Kishimoto has the testicular fortitude to kill off one of his most beloved characters (among fangirls). Here's a hint: He doesn't.
Sasuke dying doesn't bring anything to the series through IMHO, but i know alot of people hate him(Most love him judging from sales).
Sasuke dying at the end is a option, but he doesn't need to die. Kishi has shown Sasuke still has feeling's and will be brought back by naruto. We will see through
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Even if he's redeemed (as in comes to his "senses") at the end thanks to Naruto's words/actions they shouldn't just allow him to come back to Konoha all willy nilly. The man is an international criminal and murderer who not only has tried to kill his closest allies on more than one occasion but also blatantly tried to assassinate the heads of not one, not three but six sovereign leaders and will also play a massive role in this war.
The only thing that should happen to him at the end even if he's redeemed is that he's locked away and placed under several different types of seals for the rest of his life or given the death sentence. It's one thing if Naruto forgives him on a personal level but he's way beyond being absolved of all of his actions in reality.
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I think I'm gonna side with MetaMario. It feels like a lose/lose situation. Whether he dies or is redeemed, it'll be pretty bad.
Here's a third option. What if Naruto tries to redeem him but fails, but can't bring himself to kill him because they're lover- … best friends/brothers but ultimately he can't bring himself to do it, and so Sasuke has to be locked up in some prison in Konoha. (Think Ozai at the end of Avatar:TLA) And we would have a very bittersweet ending where Team 7 would be reunited back in Konoha,... but would still be split up. And maybe Sasuke could finally be redeemed after a long time, but that's not going to be covered in this series. In the end from what we saw, the cycle of hatred will have taken another victim. The greed and cruelty that had spawned from the Konoha elders' feud with the Uchihas will have tainted Sasuke (perhaps forever) and forever shattered the bond of Team 7.
... Just an idea. The main reason people feel Sasuke needs to die for plot reasons is that Kishimoto keeps building up the CYCLE OF HATRED and how horrible it is, and how it shatters mans lives and their souls. And it feels like this cycle needs to actually have consequences and take prominent victims for it to actually be a believable threat that needed to be combatted. If Naruto just resolves the cycle because he's Ninja Jesus and he can cure even the most horrible pain and isolation (which Sasuke is supposed to have) than it'll be lame and unrealistic.
And with how insane he's portrayed Sasuke as, it really feels like it'd be for the best if Sasuke proved to be unredeemable or at least only able to be redeemed after years and years. And so Naruto will have ended on a tragic note, which might (might) work considering the direction Kishimoto has taken the series. Instead of Narujesus to the rescue again.
Urgh. Naruto and Sasuke. I can't even tell who's worse anymore. :getlost:
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@The:
Killer Bee did it even better! XD He freakin' messed him up good.
Just when he got his mangekyou sharingan, everyone tought he became invincible, and would ruin the then unknown 8-tails…then BOOM! Him AND his team get the humiliation of a lifetime.Damn, if only he didn't have that stereotypical "rapping" nonsense side to him...
Now, if I was to name one truly hardcore/badass/well written/has more to him than meet the eye/well conceptualized Naruto character, it'd be Kisame. He's one of Kishimoto's greatest successes if you ask me, remaining great all the way through his death and final flashback.
I am seriously pissed how the swordsmen of the mist were treating. There should have been a side story about them.
The story is building towards Naruto becoming Hokage, but Naruto wants to help Sasuke becuase he thinks he failed. Just like how Zoro is building towards fighting who ever is the strongest swordsmen at the end of the manga and him dying in a wtf moment might be interesting, but leave alot of people pissed. In Death Note they did killed L off. It was great, but i wanted L to catch him. It would be even worse if here if the last memory is Sasuke beating Naruto.
Things will always distract people from their main goals. The distraction can help them at the sametime through. Luffy going for Ace or helping out on vasries islands helps his experience and such.
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I liked Hidan more then Kisame for some reason. He funny, but crazy at the same time.
Naruto wanted to save sasuke is the gayest thing about this manga, only topped by sakura wanting to talk/fight with him and drugging her own team mates in the process.Why the fuck would you want to save someone who doesnt wants to be saved at all?
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@Kareem:
I think I'm gonna side with MetaMario. It feels like a lose/lose situation. Whether he dies or is redeemed, it'll be pretty bad.
Here's a third option. What if Naruto tries to redeem him but fails, but can't bring himself to kill him because they're lover- … best friends/brothers but ultimately he can't bring himself to do it, and so Sasuke has to be locked up in some prison in Konoha. (Think Ozai at the end of Avatar:TLA) And we would have a very bittersweet ending where Team 7 would be reunited back in Konoha,... but would still be split up. And maybe Sasuke could finally be redeemed after a long time, but that's not going to be covered in this series. In the end from what we saw, the cycle of hatred will have taken another victim. The greed and cruelty that had spawned from the Konoha elders' feud with the Uchihas will have tainted Sasuke (perhaps forever) and forever shattered the bond of Team 7.
... Just an idea. The main reason people feel Sasuke needs to die for plot reasons is that Kishimoto keeps building up the CYCLE OF HATRED and how horrible it is, and how it shatters mans lives and their souls. And it feels like this cycle needs to actually have consequences and take prominent victims for it to actually be a believable threat that needed to be combatted. If Naruto just resolves the cycle because he's Ninja Jesus and he can cure even the most horrible pain and isolation (which Sasuke is supposed to have) than it'll be lame and unrealistic.
And with how insane he's portrayed Sasuke as, it really feels like it'd be for the best if Sasuke proved to be unredeemable or at least only able to be redeemed after years and years. And so Naruto will have ended on a tragic note, which might (might) work considering the direction Kishimoto has taken the series. Instead of Narujesus to the rescue again.
Urgh. Naruto and Sasuke. I can't even tell who's worse anymore. :getlost:
Best situation will be for sasuke to kill naruto and negi/rock lee to kill sasuke.
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So I watched the new Bleach episode for kicks, and all I have to say is. Kubo should quite doing manga and just make storyboards for this show. It took 4 chapters to make one episode, but it flowed together so well animated.
I mean, he would only have to draw a background once, draw character designs, and then script out everything. A perfect job for a capable artist as lazy as he is.
Funny you should say that, an episode of Detective Conan usually consists of 3 chapters, so yeah I see what you mean. But still, for him to do storyboards, he would have to make his shots more clearer to the animators, i.e less close up mouths.
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I am seriously pissed how the swordsmen of the mist were treating. There should have been a side story about them.
Naruto wanted to save sasuke is the gayest thing about this manga, only topped by sakura wanting to talk/fight with him and drugging her own team mates in the process.Why the fuck would you want to save someone who doesnt wants to be saved at all?
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Best situation will be for sasuke to kill naruto and negi/rock lee to kill sasuke.
Huh. For a while there I thought you would never have anything intelligent to say.
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Huh. For a while there I thought you would never have anything intelligent to say.
Its not me the problem…you guys are just dumb for not seeing the advantages of tobi using madara's name.
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@Kareem:
I think I'm gonna side with MetaMario. It feels like a lose/lose situation. Whether he dies or is redeemed, it'll be pretty bad.
Here's a third option. What if Naruto tries to redeem him but fails, but can't bring himself to kill him because they're lover- … best friends/brothers but ultimately he can't bring himself to do it, and so Sasuke has to be locked up in some prison in Konoha. (Think Ozai at the end of Avatar:TLA) And we would have a very bittersweet ending where Team 7 would be reunited back in Konoha,... but would still be split up. And maybe Sasuke could finally be redeemed after a long time, but that's not going to be covered in this series. In the end from what we saw, the cycle of hatred will have taken another victim. The greed and cruelty that had spawned from the Konoha elders' feud with the Uchihas will have tainted Sasuke (perhaps forever) and forever shattered the bond of Team 7.
... Just an idea. The main reason people feel Sasuke needs to die for plot reasons is that Kishimoto keeps building up the CYCLE OF HATRED and how horrible it is, and how it shatters mans lives and their souls. And it feels like this cycle needs to actually have consequences and take prominent victims for it to actually be a believable threat that needed to be combatted. If Naruto just resolves the cycle because he's Ninja Jesus and he can cure even the most horrible pain and isolation (which Sasuke is supposed to have) than it'll be lame and unrealistic.
And with how insane he's portrayed Sasuke as, it really feels like it'd be for the best if Sasuke proved to be unredeemable or at least only able to be redeemed after years and years. And so Naruto will have ended on a tragic note, which might (might) work considering the direction Kishimoto has taken the series. Instead of Narujesus to the rescue again.
Urgh. Naruto and Sasuke. I can't even tell who's worse anymore. :getlost:
Naruto is going to change Sasuke after he beats his ass. It's that simple and even phyco Sasuke believes No way that fool naruto can defeat him. Which is why he wants to fight him now. If Sasuke gets redeemed it won't be that bad to me has long has he never returns to the village or in dies/prison. The only person who shouldn't get redeemed is Madara. He seems to just not care at all. Even when Naruto called him out he agreed that he just evil.
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You know. I just had something put into perspective. Bleach's current arc really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and the things explained just leave more questions…But then I read the latest Air Gear. And I have to think, "Man, Bleach could really be a whole lot worse."
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You know. I just had something put into perspective. Bleach's current arc really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and the things explained just leave more questions…But then I read the latest Air Gear. And I have to think, "Man, Bleach could really be a whole lot worse."
I tried reading the latest chapter of Air Gear just to see what the series was about.
I have less of an idea now, since it seems to have little to do with "air" or " gears."
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You know. I just had something put into perspective. Bleach's current arc really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and the things explained just leave more questions…But then I read the latest Air Gear. And I have to think, "Man, Bleach could really be a whole lot worse."
I tried reading the latest chapter of Air Gear just to see what the series was about.
I have less of an idea now, since it seems to have little to do with "air" or " gears."
Guys don't say that, you…..you.....
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Naruto is going to change Sasuke after he beats his ass. It's that simple and even phyco Sasuke believes No way that fool naruto can defeat him. Which is why he wants to fight him now. If Sasuke gets redeemed it won't be that bad to me has long has he never returns to the village or in dies/prison. The only person who shouldn't get redeemed is Madara. He seems to just not care at all. Even when Naruto called him out he agreed that he just evil.
THe idea of completely changing everything somebody believes through beating them up has always been completely retarded. Even more so when those beliefs really have nothing to do with being able to beat up the other guy like in Sasuke's case. Sasuke is far more evil at this point than ANY other character in the series, Tobi included. At least Tobi is supposed to be a well intentioned extremist who thinks he has the only solution for peace. Sasuke is blatantly evil, with no morals, whose ONLY desire is to slaughter an entire village to get them back for something the vast majority of them had nothing to do with. Also you said Sasuke still has feelings. If you meant feelings that aren't completely psycho, I'd like to see proof considering he even was willing to kill his new teammates for the sake of revenge. Hell, even his belief that he couldn't take Itachi's eyes for revenge was thrown out when he realized he needed them to take his revenge.
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Naruto is going to change Sasuke after he beats his ass. It's that simple and even phyco Sasuke believes No way that fool naruto can defeat him.
Why do people care if Sasuke changes? He will, but why do people care? No one should really care. If people care, and still like his character, they need to re-evaluate themselves. And Sasuke's motives for wanting not only to kill every person in his village, but other people that oppose him, is just the dumbest piece of shit writing that Kishi could come up with.
Which is why he wants to fight him now. If Sasuke gets redeemed it won't be that bad to me has long has he never returns to the village or in dies/prison.
Well someone has to fight Sasuke. He's about to go on a rampage to kill everyone in his village, and then right after, make babies. Sasuke needs to be "redeemed" by Kishi. Why? The story right now is riding horribly on whether or not the Chain of Hatred will be broken by Naruto. It will because the story sucks. But whether Sasuke lives/dies, doesn't matter. As long as Sasuke is won over, and Naruto wins. It doesn't even matter if Naruto dies or not. As long as people witness this love exchange between bros, where hatred can be broken, then it can repeat for ever and ever. It's logical? So, that's it. Kishi just wants the theme of bonds and chains to come to a conclusion and he's done. He doesn't care about anything else.
The only person who shouldn't get redeemed is Madara. He seems to just not care at all. Even when Naruto called him out he agreed that he just evil.
If Kishi decides to deal with Madara like Orochimaru, who wouldn't change at all, he'll die miserably. If he's like the many of the villains in this manga, then he'll just be misunderstood, and will welcome the unity of the world through the touch of the heart.
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THe idea of completely changing everything somebody believes through beating them up has always been completely retarded. Even more so when those beliefs really have nothing to do with being able to beat up the other guy like in Sasuke's case. Sasuke is far more evil at this point than ANY other character in the series, Tobi included. At least Tobi is supposed to be a well intentioned extremist who thinks he has the only solution for peace. Sasuke is blatantly evil, with no morals, whose ONLY desire is to slaughter an entire village to get them back for something the vast majority of them had nothing to do with. Also you said Sasuke still has feelings. If you meant feelings that aren't completely psycho, I'd like to see proof considering he even was willing to kill his new teammates for the sake of revenge. Hell, even his belief that he couldn't take Itachi's eyes for revenge was thrown out when he realized he needed them to take his revenge.
Sasuke isn't more evil then Tobi. Tobi created Sasuke for sakes. He sat in his seat drinking juice while mindraping this kid. Look at Tobi saying "Yes" When Sasuke smashes Danzo with Sasnoo with blood all over his face.
Proof ok
1. Sasuke didn't kill Naruto
2. Sasuke released Oro prisoners and told Suigetsu not to kill people
3. Sasuke remembers his team at the bridge and while fighting Killerbee.Sasuke isn't completly gone. Sasuke just pushing his feelings deep down into darkness so he can do all this stuff. Which is why Kishi keeps refering to him has getting more darker. Naruto beating him would hcange him for he thinks Naruto is full of crap and his way won't work. Also killing naruto was made part of his Goals.
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Why do people care if Sasuke changes? He will, but why do people care? No one should really care. If people care, and still like his character, they need to re-evaluate themselves. And Sasuke's motives for wanting not only to kill every person in his village, but other people that oppose him, is just the dumbest piece of shit writing that Kishi could come up with.
Well someone has to fight Sasuke. He's about to go on a rampage to kill everyone in his village, and then right after, make babies. Sasuke needs to be "redeemed" by Kishi. Why? The story right now is riding horribly on whether or not the Chain of Hatred will be broken by Naruto. It will because the story sucks. But whether Sasuke lives/dies, doesn't matter. As long as Sasuke is won over, and Naruto wins. It doesn't even matter if Naruto dies or not. As long as people witness this love exchange between bros, where hatred can be broken, then it can repeat for ever and ever. It's logical? So, that's it. Kishi just wants the theme of bonds and chains to come to a conclusion and he's done. He doesn't care about anything else.
If Kishi decides to deal with Madara like Orochimaru, who wouldn't change at all, he'll die miserably. If he's like the many of the villains in this manga, then he'll just be misunderstood, and will welcome the unity of the world through the touch of the heart.
Once again if you don't care then why are you reading. Your posts seems angry. Sasuke has slowly become like this throughout the manga. Kishi didn't just get up one day and said lets make Sasuke evil. This was hinted at like a million times in the manga and even Coverpages.
I happen to like Sasuke character and don't see the problem you have with him.