Nami isn't the weakest, Usopp is.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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Oh no, I remember this debate before, people arguing over which one is weakerXD I don't know, I've always felt Nami was the weaker one, Usopp is just a chicken.
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Fourth or third??? Are you getting Him confused with Shirahoshi?? the most she's done this entire Arc was call Sea Kings and cry. Jinbe didn't need to be central in this chapter this was when Otohime was gonna die so obviously Oda was gonna spend more time on her with Shirahoshi and her Bros.
As far as Flashback relevance it goes as so:
1. Fisher Tiger
2. Otohime
3.Jinbe
4. Arlong=====Supporting role====
Neptune Family
Decken
HodyYou're forgetting Hatchan mate - no matter if you think I am crazy or not he still had a large part in the beginning of the flashback. The only reason he is gone now is because he went with Arlong and possibly not completely voluntarily.
Also people - Shadow of a person like Shanks indicated as the person who will teach Shirahoshi - Fishman Island destroyed - needing a new place to live …. Island gets destroyed - population moves to an Island - Shanks gets involved in Shirahoshi's training thats my train of thought at this stage.
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Nami's potentially broken with shooting lightning and hurricane winds around. Mansopp is seemingly a lot stronger with his plants now. I don't think Shirahoshi inland can hold a candle to either.
Edit: Hatchan had maybe a page or two worth of panels in all the flashback combined that would actually be relevant and not just featuring him as a nifty background piece. I know I can't change your mind, but damn…
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God, he's not a pedophile. He doesn't want to have sex with the child princess, he wants to marry her for strategic reasons and he wants her TO GROW UP before he even proposes to her.
Ehh, still comes off as a sexual predator to me. I just called him a pedophile tho lol. I'm aware of everything you just said but the plan is just all around creepy imo.
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Oh no, I remember this debate before, people arguing over which one is weakerXD I don't know, I've always felt Nami was the weaker one, Usopp is just a chicken.
Didn't Oda say that Usopp will always be the weakest character because he's the one the viewer is going to relate to the most?
Honestly it's pretty clear Usopp is the weakest. IMO saying that Nami is the weakest is just sexism because she is the girl, so she has to be the weakest. >_>
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Nami's potentially broken with shooting lightning and hurricane winds around. Mansopp is seemingly a lot stronger with his plants now. I don't think Shirahoshi inland can hold a candle to either.
Edit: Hatchan had maybe a page or two worth of panels in all the flashback combined that would actually be relevant and not just featuring him as a nifty background piece. I know I can't change your mind, but damn…
He had more then a page or 2 of panals - hell in the Tiger Death scene it was Arlong, Jinbei and Hatchan - and to date he is the only Fishman we the readers have seen growth in From Villain to Friend. Fairly confident if it isn't Hatchan then it's Jinbei.
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Didn't Oda say that Usopp will always be the weakest character because he's the one the viewer is going to relate to the most?
Honestly it's pretty clear Usopp is the weakest. IMO saying that Nami is the weakest is just sexism because she is the girl, so she has to be the weakest. >_>
Yeah, Oda said that. Everybody knew that the last time it was brought up too, but there was still a debate because apparently people don't trust Oda.
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Oda said Usopp would be the most human of the crew which does partially translate in him being the weakest in the crew. Doesn't mean he can't be strong but compared to everyone else I don't expect him to surpass anyone on the crew or in the future.
After Oda said that, this talk of Nami is laughable. Oda's went out of his way to give her hax weapons/skills.
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Oda didn't say that. Luffy's VA said that.
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Oda didn't say that. Luffy's VA said that.
Luffy's VA is the one that said Usopp would always be the weakest?
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Didn't Oda say that Usopp will always be the weakest character because he's the one the viewer is going to relate to the most?
Honestly it's pretty clear Usopp is the weakest. IMO saying that Nami is the weakest is just sexism because she is the girl, so she has to be the weakest. >_>
How is that sexism? I didn't say all of the girls in the crew are weak, I think Robin's one of the strongest in the crew. FYI I didn't know Oda said that so sorry :blink:
Either way, Nami is one of the weaker ones in the crew even if just above Usopp, there can be a weak woman in the crew who gets stronger later on. However the mermaid princess might not join. Heck, no one might join at the end of this arc and we wait for the New World for a new Nakamate.
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Shirahoshiiiiiiiiiii pls join i love you !
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@Robo:
Luffy's VA is the one that said Usopp would always be the weakest?
Yes, that's what I'm saying. At least, I'm 90% sure it was Luffy's, but it may have been a different crew member I suppose.
Either way, there's no reason to doubt the information. I don't think a VA would make a statement like that if they weren't confident in it for some good reason.
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It was Oda who claimed Usopp will always be the weakest. In an interviews with Tanaka, Luffy's voice actress.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=14001&p=593122#post593122Tanaka wonders if it was even necessary considering the heavy impact of Luffy VS Usopp and comments on what a wonderful character is. Oda says he's the closest to a human in the series with everyone else being super human. He feels that as Usopp slowly gets stronger, his readers can feel the same way and get stronger too. Tanaka loves how when Luffy and team go off leaving Nami and Usopp behind then they both say, "Counting on you -_-;" Oda says there are certain things he wants to keep the same because it will just upset the balance. No matter who joins, he always wants Usopp to be the weakest, he always wants Chopper to believe Usopp's lies. There are just some weaknesses he wants them to carry.
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Shirahoshiiiiiiiiiii pls join i love you !
Post of the thread right here.
The only thing we've learned from this chapter in terms of Shirahoshi is that she's pretty damn important to fishman island's future. Jumping to the conclusions that she's joining the crew from that alone is absurd.
I'm with Urouge here, it's not worth discussing.
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post of the thread right here.
The only thing we've learned from this chapter in terms of shirahoshi is that she's pretty damn important to fishman island's future. Jumping to the conclusions that she's joining the crew from that alone is absurd.
I'm with urouge here, it's not worth discussing.
CAN YOU PROVE THAT SHE WON'T JOIN NO YOU CAN'T RIGHT
! I'm just joking, in case someone takes me seriously.
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In my opinion, if there's a chapter that ever made Jinbe's chances to get really really low, it's this last one (626). In the most important event of this flashback he just got a small panel cameo; to me it's clearer than ever that this flashback is not to develop Jinbe, but the story of Fishman Island itself. We got focus on Tiger, Arlong, Jinbe, Otohime and now the three Princes. We are getting the struggles of the island throught its important figures. All this will payoff not with someone joining the crew, but with the developments that the island will face ahead in the current arc.
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one thing i find amusing is how it don't seem like anyone is satisfied
people wanted a mermaid, yet when princess is possibility, they say she would be worthless on land, thus can't join
people wanted a giant, yet when the princess is a possibility, they say she is too big
people wanted a strong guy to join trio, yet say jimbei is too strong
people want to watch someone be weak and grow strong, yet they say the princess is too weak
could go on, but basically it seems that no matter if something you want to happen could happen you guys bitch about it then. i mean if you want a giant or a strong guy, then don't bitch when a giant or a strong guy may join. isn't that what you wanted?
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I didn't wanna have to do this to Shirahoshi fans but…....She wont join for the simple fact that the crew can never Coup de Burst the Sunny ever again if she does join.
Burn!
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Jimbe fought evenly with Ace who had been invited previously to join the shishibukai.
Jimbe did even better against Moria.
Jimbe is powerful and can stand toe to toe against a shishibukai.The monster trio is too well established to change right now. Jimbe would only be the fourth strongest of the crew.
If Jimbe were to join there would be at least 4 people on the strawhat crew who are as as strong as shishibukais.That's overkill.
Only emperor crews would be able able to compete with that.
Kidd's crew or Hawkins, or Drake's would get rapestomped.
Jimbe's not gonna happen.
And this flashback is making it clearer and clearer since it's not even about Jimbe.Thi only thing you have are those coins. lol
Shirahoshi's not gonna happen either. She's too weak, too big and too cowardly. And summoning Sea Kings isn't a fighting technique.
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Oh hey it's the guy other than AGOG who was convinced that Perona was going to join. I assume that's working out well.
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Hinscher with some poignant observations.
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Oh hey it's the guy other than AGOG who was convinced that Perona was going to join. I assume that's working out well.
Aren't you a little old to be a tattletale ?
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one thing i find amusing is how it don't seem like anyone is satisfied
people wanted a mermaid, yet when princess is possibility, they say she would be worthless on land, thus can't join
people wanted a giant, yet when the princess is a possibility, they say she is too big
people wanted a strong guy to join trio, yet say jimbei is too strong
people want to watch someone be weak and grow strong, yet they say the princess is too weak
could go on, but basically it seems that no matter if something you want to happen could happen you guys bitch about it then. i mean if you want a giant or a strong guy, then don't bitch when a giant or a strong guy may join. isn't that what you wanted?
Who said they wanted a mermaid specifically? The Princess has far too many flaws to be worth taking.
Who said they wanted a giant? They'd have to have an entirely different ship to even make that work…
She is not a possibility in any way.
Who keeps telling you these random things?
sigh I'm gonna have to follow Urouge's example. This is too tiring to even debate over.
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@Marty.:
Aren't you a little old to be a tattletale ?
How petty of you….I know, right? God forbid you be accountable for your actions.
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I know, right? God forbid you be accountable for your actions.
You were awfuly quick to "out" me as a Perona supporter thus ridiculing my opinion ( which happens to be the opposite of yours but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) no matter what it is.
I wonder if you would have done the same if had supported Jimbe like you.
Probably not.
A petty hypocrite.
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@Marty.:
You were awfuly quick to "out" me as a Perona supporter thus ridiculing my opinion ( which happens to be the opposite of yours but I'm sure that's just a coincidence) no matter what it is.
I wonder if you would have done the same if had supported Jimbe like you.
Probably not.
A petty hypocrite.
See you when Jimbe doesn't join.Actually I did that because you were an ass to everyone about it in the process which is why you've been banned twice already. You were pretty sure of yourself, after all. But hey, maybe the third time's the charm. I'm willing to give you that chance.
If you had been even remotely nice back then I would have left it alone. You, more than anyone else, need to be held accountable because of the way you supported it.
Aaaaand that's all I have to say.
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I don't think Jinbe will join because his personality is USUALLY always too serious.
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At least if Jinbe doesn't join it won't be for the reason of a random fan being afraid of change and thinking that 4 shichi level or better fighters is overkill in the New World. Nevermind that the shichi had a wide variation in power levels and power levels have been shown to be irrelevent depending on situation (Enel, Croc, the marine that rusted Zoro's sword, Mr. 3 vs Magellan, etc).
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Oh hey it's the guy other than AGOG who was convinced that Perona was going to join. I assume that's working out well.
i loled.
i made $10 from a friend who was CONVINCED perona was going to join. easiest $10 of my life. -
That's one big problem after somone or a group is wrong. Those on both sides never admit exactly why they were wrong.
Perona supporters won't actually realize they were wrong because all of AGOG's "theories" were bullshit and had no support, same with Hancock. On the flip side if you're right about something and had a bullshit theory to support it your theory doesn't go along for the ride in being right.
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one more thing , I am still waiting Jinbe to get his lightning-shaped scar which start from his left side burn and reaching over his left eye
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In my opinion, if there's a chapter that ever made Jinbe's chances to get really really low, it's this last one (626). In the most important event of this flashback he just got a small panel cameo; to me it's clearer than ever that this flashback is not to develop Jinbe, but the story of Fishman Island itself. We got focus on Tiger, Arlong, Jinbe, Otohime and now the three Princes. We are getting the struggles of the island throught its important figures. All this will payoff not with someone joining the crew, but with the developments that the island will face ahead in the current arc.
Now hold on, we've still got one chapter to go. We have yet to see the aftermath of this disaster, and as Jinbe's been the one putting two and two together with Tiger and Otohime's ideals, we might see something worthwhile yet. Plus, depending on if the shooter is and if they're revealed anytime soon, it could tip the scales if it's someone close to Jinbe; I've looked over it in length in the chapter thread, but I'll leave it out from here for now.
And yes, the scar, thanks rickfox and others who've seen it.
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Now hold on, we've still got one chapter to go. We have yet to see the aftermath of this disaster, and as Jinbe's been the one putting two and two together with Tiger and Otohime's ideals, we might see something worthwhile yet. Plus, depending on if the shooter is and if they're revealed anytime soon, it could tip the scales if it's someone close to Jinbe; I've looked over it in length in the chapter thread, but I'll leave it out from here for now.
And yes, the scar, thanks rickfox and others who've seen it.
I've been saying that this flashback is more about FI's tragedy than Jinbe's POV since it before it began, and as the story is going on, it's slowly getting away from Jinbe. So, while next chapter may yet change things, I'm not really expecting it.
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I've been saying that this flashback is more about FI's tragedy than Jinbe's POV since it before it began, and as the story is going on, it's slowly getting away from Jinbe. So, while next chapter may yet change things, I'm not really expecting it.
So, you see nothing of Jinbe connecting those two ideals in the aftermath? Or why he's been kept from finding Arlong between now and the 7-8 years after? Or how he finally got his flippin' scar?
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Nobody has changed their tune of what/who they believe the flashback to be about since it began as far as I remember, regardless of arguments. I don't think they will now.
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Then I can't fathom why we're still even here.
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So, you see nothing of Jinbe connecting those two ideals in the aftermath? Or why he's been kept from finding Arlong between now and the 7-8 years after? Or how he finally got his flippin' scar?
Don't be surprised if his scar ends up not being important at all.
Of course Jinbe's connected to all the threads linked in this flashback. But so are Hodi Jones, Arlong, the three Neptune brothers and Shirahoshi. Indeed, if anything, the princes and their sister just got more important then Jinbe in last chapter. When you read the flashback from start to now, you don't see the focus being on Jinbe at all.
All other Strawhat flashbacks would have the role of focused character improving until the Big Sad Thing happens that changes the character's life forever. Right now Otohime died, and Jinbe barely got any attention.
This is Fishman Island's flashback. Just like Norland and Calgara had a flashback in order to flesh out Skypiea and the Shandians and give meaning to Luffy ringing the bell. The current flashback is building up Fishman Island, not Jinbe. (Jinbe is, of course, getting some development from it, but has the flashback really fleshed him out in any significant way? Did it really add anything about him that we didn't already know or suspect?)
Just like in Skypiea, this flashback will have its payoff in the developments that the Strawhats will bring to the island. It is not being used to build up a new crewmate.
Of course, as aways, I'm not 100% sure. (I'm actually having a record in making predictions that epicly fail) And sure, next chapter (which I presume may be the last full flashback chapter, if it doesn't return to the present already) could change everything. It's just not likely, IMO.
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Then I can't fathom why we're still even here.
This question comes up more than any other in this thread.
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Don't be surprised if his scar ends up not being important at all.
Of course Jinbe's connected to all the threads linked in this flashback. But so are Hodi Jones, Arlong, the three Neptune brothers and Shirahoshi. Indeed, if anything, the princes and their sister just got more important then Jinbe in last chapter. When you read the flashback from start to now, you don't see the focus being on Jinbe at all.
All other Strawhat flashbacks would have the role of focused character improving until the Big Sad Thing happens that changes the character's life forever. Right now Otohime died, and Jinbe barely got any attention.
This is Fishman Island's flashback. Just like Norland and Calgara had a flashback in order to flesh out Skypiea and the Shandians and give meaning to Luffy ringing the bell. The current flashback is building up Fishman Island, not Jinbe. (Jinbe is, of course, getting some development from it, but has the flashback really fleshed him out in any significant way? Did it really add anything about him that we didn't already know or suspect?)
Did people know that Jinbe was a soldier of the Neptune Army befoe Fishman Island Arc?
did people know that Jinbe was good friends with Tiger and Arlong ,and they grew up together in the Fishman District and Jinbe saw them as family befoe Fishman Island Arc?
or did people know that –-originally,Jinbe was doubtful of Otohime's ideals, thinking that they didn't mean anything. He even openly stated that he didn't care about her petition. However, after listening to Fisher Tiger's speech about peace, Jinbe grew supportive of Otohime and even admitted about the trouble the Sun Pirates caused her and joined the Shichibukai to support her cause befoe Fishman Island Arc?
or did people know that Jinbe is also capable display the funny face befoe Fishman Island Arc?
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Ok I'm taking a shot in the dark and I'm gonna say it's Jinbe who falls in that Urashima Casket but instead of getting older he will get younger and leave with the crew.
Why? because the only reason Oda mentioned it is because Decken was gonna put Shirahoshi in the pot [[in the Flashback]]but obviously it's already years past and Shirahoshi if of age so Decken doesn't need the Pot anymore,but then why would Oda bring it up anyway is my question?
@Shift: I think you're Aladdin theory has merit,it would also explain the ES drug since he is a doctor though I personally think he escapes Jinbe's wraith,hence the scar ,it looks like it could have been done with the tip of a trident imo.
:ninja: But that could be Hody or Aladdin.
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Did people know that Jinbe was a soldier of the Neptune Army befoe Fishman Island Arc?
did people know that Jinbe was good friends with Tiger and Arlong ,and they grew up together in the Fishman District and Jinbe saw them as family befoe Fishman Island Arc?
or did people know that –-originally,Jinbe was doubtful of Otohime's ideals, thinking that they didn't mean anything. He even openly stated that he didn't care about her petition. However, after listening to Fisher Tiger's speech about peace, Jinbe grew supportive of Otohime and even admitted about the trouble the Sun Pirates caused her and joined the Shichibukai to support her cause befoe Fishman Island Arc?
Most of it are just minor details. We knew that Fisher Tiger started the Pirates of the Sun, that Jinbe was probably the second-in-command, and we also knew that Arlong was (in some way) an "equal to Jinbe" (not actually, but we knew he had some importance in Jinbe's crew).
We knew Jinbe was different from Arlong, felt regret about him and was grateful to Luffy because of the small scene after Impel Down.
And of course we couldn't know about his position about Otohime's ideals, since we didn't even know Otohime or ideals before this arc began.
But compare Jinbe's development over the last few chapters with Robin's, Franky's or Sanji's or Nami's during their flashbacks.
or did people know that Jinbe is also capable display the funny face befoe Fishman Island Arc?
This has nothing to do with anything being discussed here. Enel and Perona also had the same funny face. Is that character development?
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Most of it are just minor details. We knew that Fisher Tiger started the Pirates of the Sun, that Jinbe was probably the second-in-command, and we also knew that Arlong was (in some way) an "equal to Jinbe" (not actually, but we knew he had some importance in Jinbe's crew).
We knew Jinbe was different from Arlong, felt regret about him and was grateful to Luffy because of the small scene after Impel Down.
And of course we couldn't know about his position about Otohime's ideals, since we didn't even know Otohime or ideals before this arc began.
But compare Jinbe's development over the last few chapters with Robin's, Franky's or Sanji's or Nami's during their flashbacks.
This has nothing to do with anything being discussed here. Enel and Perona also had the same funny face. Is that character development?
Before Fishman Island Arc,Jinbe was known as a Shichibukai,an alley of Whitebeard,friend of Ace,did protect Luffy and probably the second-in-command of Sp,and felt regret about Arlong and was grateful to what Luffy did.
anything else?
did people know his back ground,his past history,how he become Shichibukai,etc?
did people know Jinbe's feeling towards human/fishman is different from his orginal idea before Fishman Island Arc?
This has nothing to do with anything being discussed here–----"Did it really add anything about him that we didn't already know or suspect?"
who said this"anything about him that we didn't already know" = anything being discussed here ?
so before Fishman Island Arc, you know that Jinbe is capable display the funny face and have proof?
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Before Fishman Island Arc,Jinbe was known as a Shichibukai,an alley of Whitebeard,friend of Ace,did protect Luffy and probably the second-in-command of Sp,and felt regret about Arlong and was grateful to what Luffy did.
anything else?
did people know his back ground,his past history,how he become Shichibukai,etc?
did people know Jinbe's feeling towards human/fishman is different from his orginal idea before Fishman Island Arc?
This has nothing to do with anything being discussed here–----"Did it really add anything about him that we didn't already know or suspect?"
who said this"anything about him that we didn't already know" = anything being discussed here ?
so before Fishman Island Arc, you know that Jinbe is capable display the funny face and have proof?
Did he do the face fault inside the flash back? No I did not think so.
We are talking about the flashback not the arc as a whole.
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@Robo:
Yeah, Oda said that. Everybody knew that the last time it was brought up too, but there was still a debate because apparently people don't trust Oda.
Stupid people who think they know more of OP than Oda himself. Lol, they should be sent to the moon on the back of the nyan-cat.
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Just like Norland and Calgara had a flashback in order to flesh out Skypiea–- Norland and Calgara are already dead,Wiper's memory is northing but what Shandian Chief told him(even that Shandian Chief was not present in Norland and Calgara's story)
actually, from Norland and Calgara's story, other than that snake, is there any character is still alive when Wiper start to flash his memory?
the Skypiea Arc –---Shandians and Skypieans settle down their conflict and living in peace
now ,it is Fishman island's creature and human race(and world government/Tenryubito)--- a much bigger chess board
when Skypiea Arc ends,Shandians and Skypieans start to live together in harmony
does any one want to say when Fishman island Arc ends,Fishman/Merfolk and human race will live together in harmony?
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So, you see nothing of Jinbe connecting those two ideals in the aftermath? Or why he's been kept from finding Arlong between now and the 7-8 years after? Or how he finally got his flippin' scar?
Wait when was Jinbe finding Arlong ever a priority?
Didn't he tell Arlong to fuck off? and had no problem with him going back to being a pirate with his OG crew when the Sun pirates were disbanded. I remember something along the lines of "Fuck do I care what trash does?"
As far as the scar, that's the only thing left regarding him. He'll probably get it from protecting somebody. I don't think it'll be all that big of a change for how we view him.