Yep–Jinbe is definitely weaker than Luffy now.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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Yep–Jinbe is definitely weaker than Luffy now.
Therefore, he will be the cabin-boy. Cuz' you know, I once saw him mopping the floor and he wasn't that bad at it.
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Do everybody forgets that they need a helsman… And we saw that Jinbei is one. And how can a merman join when they can't walk on land
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Therefore, he will be the cabin-boy. Cuz' you know, I once saw him mopping the floor and he wasn't that bad at it.
yeah he can use his fishman karate to clean the deck.
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yeah he can use his fishman karate to clean the deck.
Just like Sanji can round-kick a giant fish ala Chuck Norris and instantly turn it into sushi.
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I'd say Jinbe would get treated pretty good on the team, Franky was the fourth member on the team at that time and he got his fair fights. I'm still keeping my eye's on Hodi, for all we know he could get redeemed at the end of this arc and end up joining.
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OH I see…now I kind of understand, but I still find ridiculous how people jump to say that Jimbe will be helmsman just because "we saw him ridin' the boat" after ID. It's as poorly based to me as saying that if Hatchan were to be the NN, he would be the "fisher" because "we saw him taking out a whole octopus for dinner during Koala's mini-arc"
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Not really fair - accurate though.
But you have to admit the SH's have been shown being short for food a lot more then they have for an experienced helmsman.Question on Jinbei though - he fought on par with Ace when Ace was a Logia so are we running the assumption that he has Haki or was using Water to even the field.
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To stop the Magma would be pretty hard to do without some form of CoA not impossible but well.
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If Jinbei will join, I think it will be the same as with Franky. First some of us thought that he will be part of the monsters but we know what happened. Jinbei will be probably closer, but I think there will be still some gap to the monster trio… At least on land
And the Ace fight... People have to realize that this fight happened 2 years before he joined the WBs... And seeing that Ace was much younger, he probably evolved even more fighting alongside WB against NW pirates
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Whether or not Jinbe joins I saw him as stronger than Luffy before the time skip and, until otherwise stated in the manga, at least equal to Luffy now, to demote him to a "second" tier in the strawhat pirates is simply laughable.
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Whether or not Jinbe joins I saw him as stronger than Luffy before the time skip and, until otherwise stated in the manga, at least equal to Luffy now, to demote him to a "second" tier in the strawhat pirates is simply laughable.
I agree. I don't know why some people act as if anyone as strong as the "monster trio" couldn't join the crew. There would be no problem in someone that strong joining.
It's not like there will be a shortage of strong enemies ahead…
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Honestly, give the strength of some crews we've seen, I'd say another person as strong as the monster trio is almost necessary. I mean, WB had a huge fleet and a ton of division captans who ALL probably know Haki(considering Oda said they were all about equal and a few have used Haki) and who are probably at the very least equal to the post timeskip monster trio. While WB's crew was definitely the strongest, I'd be very surprised if the other yonkou members don't all have comparable crews. The fact that Luffy's crew is so small means having more extremely powerful members is all but necessary at this point
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I mean, WB had a huge fleet and a ton of division captans who ALL probably know Haki(considering Oda said they were all about equal and a few have used Haki)
The only one shown to use haki were: Marco, Jozu, and Vista.
If the others all knew haki why would the only people on WhiteBeards crew who Akainu said any thing about having haki (and the only ones who could do any thing to him)
And Jozu biitch-slapped Aokiji so he had haki.
But no one else was shown to have haki.
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No, you're wrong. ALL of them has Haki. EVERYONE in the world has Haki, they're born with them except CoC Haki.
However, most of them can't CONTROL them.
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I agree. I don't know why some people act as if anyone as strong as the "monster trio" couldn't join the crew. There would be no problem in someone that strong joining.
It's not like there will be a shortage of strong enemies ahead…
No, nobody would have a problem with that. People are just "worried" that the monster trio dynamic will change and that Jinbei is to strong or stronger than Sanji or even Zoro… And that doesn't sound right for them.
Jinbei himself stated that on land he is a lot of weaker. He can still be a monster but he is limited on land like let me say Franky with his Cola. The monster trio will be still on the top cuz...
We have no fucking clue how strong they are now. Jinbei did nothing pre TS which made him look 2 or 3 tiers above Luffy pre TS. See ID.... Not only the the M3 are much younger and have more room to imrpove, the plus for them are, that they aren't limited in their fighting style on land.
Jinbei will still be a monster and of course strong as hell
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I'd say Jinbe would get treated pretty good on the team, Franky was the fourth member on the team at that time and he got his fair fights. I'm still keeping my eye's on Hodi, for all we know he could get redeemed at the end of this arc and end up joining.
Hodi's the guy who decided that using one of his crew mates to block Zoro's sword attack was a better choice than dodging. So… huh?
Whether or not Jinbe joins I saw him as stronger than Luffy before the time skip and, until otherwise stated in the manga, at least equal to Luffy now, to demote him to a "second" tier in the strawhat pirates is simply laughable.
Laughable? L… laughable!? That's a pretty strong opinion that you're going to have to explain.
Franky and Robin are likely strong as hell now. Probably even easily stronger than Luffy was before the timeskip. Franky seemed like he was around Luffy's strength in Water 7, but his short appearance during the Luffy/Lucci fight and his presence and comments during the Zoro/Ryuuma fight showed us where he really stands.
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Hodi's the guy who decided that using one of his crew mates to block Zoro's sword attack was a better choice than dodging. So… huh?
I wish people would stop with the Hodi redemption bullshit. This ^ is probably the most glaring instance of why he probably won't be redeemed and why he definitely will not be next nakama
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No, you're wrong. ALL of them has Haki. EVERYONE in the world has Haki, they're born with them except CoC Haki.
You know what I meant.
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The manga has shown us already where Jinbe stands and I don't see how you can make the assumption that Zoro or Sanji are now stronger than he is. I am not saying he won't join cuz you never know he just might. However to say you are certain that he is currently below the "big three" in strength I think the ball is in your court to prove your statement not mine to refute it.
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The manga has shown us already where Jinbe stands and I don't see how you can make the assumption that Zoro or Sanji are now stronger than he is. I am not saying he won't join cuz you never know he just might. However to say you are certain that he is currently below the "big three" in strength I think the ball is in your court to prove your statement not mine to refute it.
Wrong. I've never spoken in absolutes about Jinbe's strength. All I've ever said is what I expect to happen, not that it has to. And I've explained my reasoning behind it more than enough. I hardly think I have the obligation to repeat it all for the 50th time or so for you.
The only one who has spoken in absolutes is you, who has not explained your reasoning behind such a bold statement, so I'm afraid that the burden of proof is on you.
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This maybe just a coincidence, I don't believe there is such a thing
But I think this is valid to the NN argument. As most you know when a new crew member joins
the chapter title is always the number of their recruitment,like when Brook joins the chapter was called the 8th.Think I may have found another pattern in the recruitment,now bare with me but it has to do with Height of certain members….
Starting from Robin who is 6'2 the "6th"
Franky 7'5 the "7th"
Brook 8'8 the "8th"
I swear to God I'm not making this up ,but if this order were to continue for lets say the Next Nakama....then
Jinbe 9'8 "9th"????
So I ask you fellow OP readers coincidence???? or is this by design?
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In Japan they use meters and centimeters, not feet and inches.
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I have also not spoken in absolutes except that Jinbe was stronger than Luffy pre time skip as was shown in the manga and stated by Jinbe himself. Until I see something in the manga telling me that Jinbe is now weaker than Luffy I expect he is about equal now.
what i was referring to was the posts that want Jinbei to join and would place him in a lower tier of strength below the monster trio.
I have nothing against Jinbe joining currently but I can't see him as weaker than Zoro and Sanji it just doesn't fit for me, if Oda comes out next chapter (or whenever the time skip is over) and says that he is I will accept I am wrong.
in brief I have nothing against Jinbe joining but would consider him to be as strong as Luffy (or almost as) until proven otherwise.
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In Japan they use meters and centimeters, not feet and inches.
Oh really? I didn't know that lol you really do learn new things everyday xDD
Still though that is one hell of a coincidence.
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I just find it funny to say… because Jinbei was stronger pre TS..: Luffy is equal to him now at least.
How can someone know that and how big the grow of Luffy and the rest are?
Like I said... Jinbei will still be a beast and all. But nothing would be wrong if suddenly 3 of them would be stronger. We are entering the NW and there will people even stronger than Jinbei.
And even more... ON LAND.
And seriously... Jinbei did nothing pre TS that made him stand him over, let me say, Crocodile during the war and Impel Down
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I have also not spoken in absolutes except that Jinbe was stronger than Luffy pre time skip as was shown in the manga and stated by Jinbe himself. Until I see something in the manga telling me that Jinbe is now weaker than Luffy I expect he is about equal now.
what i was referring to was the posts that want Jinbei to join and would place him in a lower tier of strength below the monster trio.
I have nothing against Jinbe joining currently but I can't see him as weaker than Zoro and Sanji it just doesn't fit for me, if Oda comes out next chapter (or whenever the time skip is over) and says that he is I will accept I am wrong.
in brief I have nothing against Jinbe joining but would consider him to be as strong as Luffy (or almost as) until proven otherwise.
So calling an idea laughable isn't speaking in absolutes, now? Not only that, but you haven't presented a shred of evidence to support your stance other than some assumed strength tier from before everything totally changed with the timeskip. Even that only comes from a silly assumption that the line of "the way you are now" means "strength before the timeskip" instead of "in your current mental state" which is more than a bit much.
Sounds to me like you have nothing other than a baseless opinion, to which you find any opposing opinions to be "laughable." Sigh, what a waste. Even this much wasn't worth my time.
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and neither it seems do you for your assumptions
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You can't do anything other than speak in vague generalities, it seems. But hey, maybe if nobody knows what you're talking about they won't be able to question it.
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No, you're wrong. ALL of them has Haki. EVERYONE in the world has Haki, they're born with them except CoC Haki.
However, most of them can't CONTROL them.
Could you please stop with the stupid, annoying and completely unnecesary technicality that has been brought up a couple of times? It's OBVIOUS that everytime someone says "she/he has Haki" that person is referring that such individual knows how to control it.
The manga has shown us already where Jinbe stands and I don't see how you can make the assumption that Zoro or Sanji are now stronger than he is. I am not saying he won't join cuz you never know he just might. However to say you are certain that he is currently below the "big three" in strength I think the ball is in your court to prove your statement not mine to refute it.
Well, beating a Pacifista while lol'ing and thinking about your next meal is not a feat that Jimbe has pulled out yet. Considering how Pacifistas were beating the crap out of most of the NW pirates. So it's not out of place to consider the monster trio on a whole other level to the point that it wouldn't be surprising that they have surpassed a former Shichibukai.
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Oh really? I didn't know that lol you really do learn new things everyday xDD
Still though that is one hell of a coincidence.
Only three countries worldwide still use the Imperial system, don't be so surprised.
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I think it'd be perfectly fine for the Monster trio to be stronger than Jinbe. As it was said before, the time skip changed up a lot of what we know about the crew. We only saw glimpses of their improvement. And we can't be 100% sure if Jinbe was actually stronger than Luffy before the time skip anyways. Actually a lot of the stuff being discussed/argued about we don't seem to have 100% proof of. Eagerly awaiting the Flashback to be over
My question would be, what would Jinbe's dream be? That seems to be a requirement for the Strawhats for the crew to have their own goals.
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My question would be, what would Jinbe's dream be? That seems to be a requirement for the Strawhats for the crew to have their own goals.
To mend human and fishman relations. I figure Jimbe will realize through Robin that the World Government is the greatest threat to his cause and will have a desire to topple it or some parts of it anyway. And when you have people like Robin and Luffy on your side, who else better to do it with?
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My guess is that it'll be to show that once Luffy becomes the Pirate King…well a Fishman will be on the strongest Pirate crew in the world. This will further inspire Fishman by seeing Fishman can be equal to humans.
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The problem is that people think of fishmen as savage, violent and stupid, not as weak.
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I'm not saying it'll be as a testament of Fishman strength, but equality. Showing that he is friends with humans and together they've done the unbelievable: Found the One Piece.
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My guess is that it'll be to show that once Luffy becomes the Pirate King…well a Fishman will be on the strongest Pirate crew in the world. This will further inspire Fishman by seeing Fishman can be equal to humans.
Whitebeard had a fishman on his crew. Didn't mean anything.Not to mention having a fishman pirate shouldn't really help the cause. The thinking would be more along the lines of Of course a fishman made it on the Pirate King's crew they're savage and brutal, like pirates.
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Obviously Jinbe's dream will be to find a place where the residents of Fishman Island [[Fishman and Mefolk]] can coexist peacefully with Humans on a Surface Island,instead of on the Sea floor where they are separated from the World.
This is what Otohime wanted,haven't you guys ever wondered where the hell she was planning on moving her people to ?
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To mend human and fishman relations. I figure Jimbe will realize through Robin that the World Government is the greatest threat to his cause and will have a desire to topple it or some parts of it anyway. And when you have people like Robin and Luffy on your side, who else better to do it with?
The bold part is most likely, although the rest of the post sounds too forced and far fetched, but anyway.
And btw, why do people keep having the absurdely gigantic misconception that "being Pirate King" = "be respected"? the whole concept of the Pirate King is that of a ruthless and fearless outlaw, and the SH happen to be considered a very dangerous group of criminals that destroyed Enies Lobby. So no, having a fishman in the crew won't help at all in the whole racism issue, it's not like the kids will see Luffy and say
"oh my! look! there's a fishman in one of the most dangerous and wanted criminals in the world! maybe we should be nicer to them?" -
The bold part is most likely, although the rest of the post sounds too forced and far fetched, but anyway.
And btw, why do people keep having the absurdely gigantic misconception that "being Pirate King" = "be respected"? the whole concept of the Pirate King is that of a ruthless and fearless outlaw, and the SH happen to be considered a very dangerous group of criminals that destroyed Enies Lobby. So no, having a fishman in the crew won't help at all in the whole racism issue, it's not like the kids will see Luffy and say
"oh my! look! there's a fishman in one of the most dangerous and wanted criminals in the world! maybe we should be nicer to them?"Exactly. So I'm thinking that if Jinbe joins his dream is going to involved finding something or somewhere that will help the immersion of the two worlds.
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The bold part is most likely, although the rest of the post sounds too forced and far fetched, but anyway.
With the World Government working its way in and out of the flash back, I can see it all coming around full circle by the end of the arc. How else would he go about his dream if he joined the Straw Hats? My bet is that he will be all for a new world order.
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Obviously Jinbe's dream will be to find a place where the residents of Fishman Island [[Fishman and Mefolk]] can coexist peacefully with Humans on a Surface Island,instead of on the Sea floor where they are separated from the World.
This is what Otohime wanted,haven't you guys ever wondered where the hell she was planning on moving her people to ?
How is a wanted pirate gonna attain that goal while he's going on a bunch of adventures? Instead of just looking for a new island which I 'm sure there is since Luffy was just on an island filled with nothing but animals. Where are all of them waiting while he goes and looks?
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How is a wanted pirate gonna attain that goal while he's going on a bunch of adventures? Instead of just looking for a new island which I 'm sure there is since Luffy was just on an island filled with nothing but animals. Where are all of them waiting while he goes and looks?
Well he could do this by meeting and interacting with humans on the various different Islands the crew will go to and see how they react to his Fishman presence on their Island ,I'm sure Oda will elaborate on this later on like he will with the rest of the crews dreams why wouldn't he?
People also had a theory that maybe what ever Robin finds in the Sea Forest will play into Jinbe's eventual dream and ambition ,I even posted a theory on it here in this thread if you've read it great, if you haven't check it out.
By the way i'm apart of the Minority that suspects Fishman Island wont be destroyed ,so I think Jinbe will have time to look for such a place,while Shirahoshi continues to spread her mothers Ideals.
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Well he could do this by meeting and interacting with humans on the various different Islands the crew will go to and see how they react to his Fishman presence on their Island ,I'm sure Oda will elaborate on this later on like he will with the rest of the crews dreams why wouldn't he?
People also had a theory that maybe what ever Robin finds in the Sea Forest will play into Jinbe's eventual dream and ambition ,I even posted a theory on it here in this thread if you've read it great, if you haven't check it out.
By the way i'm apart of the Minority that suspects Fishman Island wont be destroyed ,so I think Jinbe will have time to look for such a place,while Shirahoshi continues to spread her mothers Ideals.
The problem is…they are pirates...Most people want nothing to do with pirates. People will see the sails, or just recognize them and most likely try to avoid them or call the Marines. Joining Luffy's crew, he may be in with a nicer bunch, but between the monster trio's habit of causing collateral damage, Robin's existence, and Nami's thieving he'll still have an extremely rough time painting normal fishmen/mermen in a positive non-violent light.
I agree that him just looking for a new homeland would be a better use of his time. He's clearly a warrior, not much of a dignitary. Shirahoshi will probably continue what her mother did and do the good will stuff towards humans. As it's generally better to send someone that appears non-threatening (despite her size), as Otohime pointed out in the last chapter.
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The problem is…they are pirates...Most people want nothing to do with pirates. People will see the sails, or just recognize them and most likely try to avoid them or call the Marines. Joining Luffy's crew, he may be in with a nicer bunch, but between the monster trio's habit of causing collateral damage, Robin's existence, and Nami's thieving he'll still have an extremely rough time painting normal fishmen/mermen in a positive non-violent light.
I agree that him just looking for a new homeland would be a better use of his time. He's clearly a warrior, not much of a dignitary. Shirahoshi will probably continue what her mother did and do the good will stuff towards humans. As it's generally better to send someone that appears non-threatening (despite her size), as Otohime pointed out in the last chapter.
http://view.thespectrum.net/series/one-piece-chapter-625.html?ch=Chapter+625&page=16Well let me put it this way ,he wouldn't be an ambassador for his people per say to the point where social standings is a factor[[i.e. Pirate]]. My theory is that just like Fisher Tiger before him he Ventures out into the World as an Adventurer [[except as a SH member]] and tries to find a new home for the residents of Fishman Island weather it's an Island already inhabited by Humans or an Island that was once lost in the Blank Century is left to be seen , specifically from the residents of Fishman Island's past before their ancestors moved to the Sea Floor. This may involve that arc in Noah.
This is the thing with me and the Dreams of possible crew members and that is simply anything goes,Brook's dream is to eventually see Laboon again and play a recording…..like I said anything goes.
Anything Oda comes up with for Jinbe's dream if he joins will leave us satisfied,this is Oda we're talking about after all.
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Well he could do this by meeting and interacting with humans on the various different Islands the crew will go to and see how they react to his Fishman presence on their Island ,I'm sure Oda will elaborate on this later on like he will with the rest of the crews dreams why wouldn't he?
People also had a theory that maybe what ever Robin finds in the Sea Forest will play into Jinbe's eventual dream and ambition ,I even posted a theory on it here in this thread if you've read it great, if you haven't check it out.
By the way i'm apart of the Minority that suspects Fishman Island wont be destroyed ,so I think Jinbe will have time to look for such a place,while Shirahoshi continues to spread her mothers Ideals.
I think it sucks we'd have to reach for Jinbe's potential dream like this. It'd be better if Jinbe just nonchantly mentioned he always had a dream pulled out his ass similar to Franky just bringing it up as the arc winded down than Robin or anybody else just discovering something that would be Jinbe's new ambition. If the lack of having an island and finding a new one is that important with Jinbe he isn't going to go on a bunch adventures in hopes of coming across ppl who may know of one or miraculaously bumping in to the perfect island for his ppl. He'd just actively look for it on his own or with former Sun pirate fishmen. Outside of Brook who has a deep connection to Laboon and promise to keep what SH's dream hasn't always been their dream since they were children?
Also, the SHs are heading in to the NW. Are you suggesting that all of the inhabitants of Fishmen island be relocated on some island there? Wouldn't it be a hell of a lot safer if they found an island to live on in one of the blue seas? Preferably East Blue?
Regardless of you not believing the island will be destroyed since you did bring up this Jinbe's dream is to find a new island for his ppl you didn't answer where all of them would be waiting while he joined the SHs to "look" for a new island.
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Why haven't we made a volume 6 by now? We're like 750 pages in now…
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/88732753/2
Yeah this flashback is definitely about Jimbe. Jimbe is without a doubt the main focus of this entire flashback.
I mean he did manage to get one panel in this time. lol! :rofl
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I tought this thread would be on fire, after this last chapter (:
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I wonder, if Oda wants Shirahoshi to become the next nakama, why make her gigantic and too young in the first place? Just so he can solve one of these issues with a magic box? He can find a better job for her other than being a slave, too. It just too weird.
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I wonder, if Oda wants Shirahoshi to become the next nakama, why make her gigantic and too young in the first place? Just so he can solve one of these issues with a magic box? He can find a better job for her other than being a slave, too. It just too weird.
Yesterday, I would just think ur a troll and let all the others deal with you…. This chapter has made me think.
- Destined mermaid with the power to possibly change the world?
- Destined man to lead the destined mermaid?
- Urashima's casket?
Although I wouldn't jump into any conclusion yet, but I will unscratch her from the next nakama possibility list