I honestly felt that CP9 was probably the least interesting/most drawn out arc from my viewing experience (well, tied with the recent arc). It was great to have some emotional weight to Robin's bond with the crew, but the way the anime handled it, it was excruciating with the pacing. I think that, and the fights outside of Lucci were really drab.
Funimation dvd discussion II ( UPDATED 8/4/12, FIRST POST FOR F.A.Q)
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Enies lobby is the worst OP has ever been. Skypiea is the best OP has ever been.
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I'm inclined to agree. I enjoy the series more when it thrusts the reader/viewer into a new setting with encapsulated storylines. It's what sets it apart from a lot of other shounen series.
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If the fights were shown all at once, Enies wouldn't have to be so bad. I know the manga had the fights interrupted.
I was okay with Sanji vs Jyabura, except the ending line about spices made no sense.
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Is Skypeia really is that bad? I haven't seen it.
is skypeia bad?
nah, just people with add issues, the arc is fine.
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I was only kidding about G8 being better than Skypeia, btw. But I did feel Skypeia dragged on way too long in both the manga and anime and offered nothing significant to the plot of One Piece. Water 7/CP(/Enies Lobby offered so much more, as well as an actual storyline that didn't just consist of 'make it to the top of a beanstalk to kill a bad guy'.
I don't know how the anime version was, but the manga for CP9 wasn't drawn out for me at all. I loved everything about it, which is why its my favorite arc in One Piece. I think its strange that people like Skypeia the most, but I suppose people like standalone plots with no overall significance or purpose. I can't wait to see CP9 in anime form, but I'm sorry to hear it was dragged out. I loved alabasta, but the anime's pacing for it was pretty terrible. They could've told the story and remained faithful to the manga in fifteen episodes instead of thirty. Plus, I hate it when events happen right in the middle of an arc that weren't in the manga because they're so distracting from the actual story.
And that's really strange that they didn't break the fights up for the anime. That was part of the fun in reading it. Especially when monster Chopper happened.
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I agree with Dawgster more than I agree with Kenji. CP9 was VERY interesting to me, and Skypeia is hard to rank against the other major arcs of the series.All these opinions draw from the fact that I like storyline more than fighting. CP9 and Alabasta had more storyline than fighting. Skypeia and Paramount War had more fighting than storyline. (Though I liked Paramount war more than Skypeia) I kinda remember feeling like Skypeia was the first time i felt like I was reading filler in One Piece.
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The fights were broken up in the anime.
It is funny that many significant arcs are short.Drum introduced Chopper, Ace, Gold's real name.
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So yeah I just pre-ordered Collection One.
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Skypeia is a great arc in my opinion. Just people who wanted the actual story continue got pissed because nothing actually happened.
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Skypeia is a great arc in my opinion. Just people who wanted the actual story continue got pissed because nothing actually happened.
But what makes it a great arc? There was no story. Straw Hats fight their way to take down a strong dousche. That's really it.
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But what makes it a great arc? There was no story. Straw Hats fight their way to take down a strong dousche. That's really it.
You are really stupid.
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Is Skypeia really is that bad? I haven't seen it.
Hell no. It's amazing when watched or read as a whole arc.
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But what makes it a great arc? There was no story. Straw Hats fight their way to take down a strong dousche. That's really it.
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I hate Skypiea. Only because it's no longer mainstream to hate it, and now it's mainstream to praise it.
Honestly it does drag when your not watching it all at once. When I first got into One Piece and was watching subs, I would take inconsistent breaks. One weekend I may have watched 5 episodes of it, another I could have watched 2 episodes a weekend. When you read or watch it at once, it's pretty damn good. While it isn't as important to the overall story as other arcs are, It's like it's own independent story. Watch it all at once and it's like a really long One Piece movie.
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i like skypiea personally. but in comparison of whats to come in the series its decent.
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i personaly thought the skypiea saga was a stroke of genius.I mean come on they go to an island in the sky and fight a god!This is what one piece is all about ,adventure!The storyline with jaya,the shandorians and the bell was also fantastic i thought.I love all the arcs realy and i just think eichiro oda is the best story teller of our time.He's prety good at drawing manga too
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at first i thought that the current "fish-man island" arc would be like skypiea. then we got this flashback.
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i personaly thought the skypiea saga was a stroke of genius.I mean come on they go to an island in the sky and fight a god!This is what one piece is all about ,adventure!The storyline with jaya,the shandorians and the bell was also fantastic i thought.I love all the arcs realy and i just think eichiro oda is the best story teller of our time.He's prety good at drawing manga too
I fully agree with that, personally I think Eiichiro Oda is the best Mangaka around. Keeping the story alive and always entertaining and enjoyable. I really enjoyed Skypiea as well, taking a trip into a dream land above the blue sea where the rest of the story generally takes place. It has a mystical and ancient feel to the storyline which I find most enjoyable.
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I hate Skypiea. Only because it's no longer mainstream to hate it, and now it's mainstream to praise it.
I liked Skypiea back when I first read the entire saga. Just to let you know.
While it isn't as important to the overall story as other arcs are, It's like it's own independent story. Watch it all at once and it's like a really long One Piece movie.
The way I see it, Skypiea will end up being a really important arc. There's still a lot of stuff that's left unsolved. Like the moon people being related to the Skypieans.
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Well yea, I deffinitly see the moon stuff coming back in the story line, and being connected with the Void Century. But I mean the actual story, the plot of the arc flashbacks and other info aside doesn't contribute as much as how all of the arcs with Vivi in the crew were directly tied, and how Water 7 went straight into Enies Lobby.
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But what makes it a great arc? There was no story. Straw Hats fight their way to take down a strong dousche. That's really it.
So you somehow totally miss the story of dreams within dreams, one of oda's best, accusing it of just being a fight arc and extol the virtues of an arc that is by far oda's weakest, dealing with fights against dull voids in suits which is the closest oda has come to generic fight shonen.
I was only kidding about G8 being better than Skypeia, btw. But I did feel Skypeia dragged on way too long in both the manga and anime and offered nothing significant to the plot of One Piece. Water 7/CP(/Enies Lobby offered so much more, as well as an actual storyline that didn't just consist of 'make it to the top of a beanstalk to kill a bad guy'.
I don't know how the anime version was, but the manga for CP9 wasn't drawn out for me at all. I loved everything about it, which is why its my favorite arc in One Piece. I think its strange that people like Skypeia the most, but I suppose people like standalone plots with no overall significance or purpose. I can't wait to see CP9 in anime form, but I'm sorry to hear it was dragged out. I loved alabasta, but the anime's pacing for it was pretty terrible. They could've told the story and remained faithful to the manga in fifteen episodes instead of thirty. Plus, I hate it when events happen right in the middle of an arc that weren't in the manga because they're so distracting from the actual story.
And that's really strange that they didn't break the fights up for the anime. That was part of the fun in reading it. Especially when monster Chopper happened.
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I agree with Dawgster more than I agree with Kenji. CP9 was VERY interesting to me, and Skypeia is hard to rank against the other major arcs of the series.All these opinions draw from the fact that I like storyline more than fighting. CP9 and Alabasta had more storyline than fighting. Skypeia and Paramount War had more fighting than storyline. (Though I liked Paramount war more than Skypeia) I kinda remember feeling like Skypeia was the first time i felt like I was reading filler in One Piece.
Things that happened in the skypeia arc with later effect:
-kuma first apperance
-dofla first apperance
-sengoku first apperance
-tsuru first apperance
-Blackbeard pirates first apperance
-Five elder stars first apperance
-"age of dreams is over" idea
-chopper dealt with stuff on his own
-robin finding a purpose
-klabautermann
-roger's scrawl on the ponyglyph
-yet another great weapon
-insight into rio ponyglyph
-dials
-ambition(as yet unnamed)
-concept of sky islandsJust off the top of my head. Plus, of course the great adventure story and the best flashback ever, superbly told first in storybook format and then with the real deal.
This Skypiea as filler/unimportant meme is rather tiresome.
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But what makes it a great arc? There was no story. Straw Hats fight their way to take down a strong dousche. That's really it.
If that's what you think about it, maybe this series really isn't for your taste. I recommend Bleach.
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I like Water Seven/Enies Lobby. For once the personal conflict didn't have quite as much to do with the villains. CP9 weren't espicially nice people or even interested in doing anything more than their job. It sets them a part from the other villains.
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Before the end of the year, I would guess.
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Well yea, I deffinitly see the moon stuff coming back in the story line, and being connected with the Void Century. But I mean the actual story, the plot of the arc flashbacks and other info aside doesn't contribute as much as how all of the arcs with Vivi in the crew were directly tied, and how Water 7 went straight into Enies Lobby.
Well, unless you include Jaya, then yeah. You got a point.
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I wasn't including Jaya in that, just Skypeia. No need to bash me because I don't like one single arc in One Piece, jesus. And I agree with it having the best flashback I loved that flashback.
And I didn't say I hated Skypeia, I just don't like it. Luffy Fan, Bleach is non-stop action. I said I like STORYLINE. -something I felt Skypeia was lacking when compared to the other arcs.
And not including Jaya, you're left with these…
-chopper dealt with stuff on his own (He could've done this later)
-roger's scrawl on the ponyglyph (We'll see the significance)
-yet another great weapon (what?)
-insight into rio ponyglyph
-dials (Definitely used later, but hell, Usopp just as easily could've bought them at a shop or found them while diving)
-ambition(as yet unnamed) (what?)
-concept of sky islands (THat's fine, but couldn't Eneru have had more of an intelligent plan, like Crocodile? It seemed like he was just all "IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE")Most of those aren't really needed, and all of them aren't THAT important. I'm not saying Skypeia is a BAD arc, just that I thought it had less storyline and was dragged out. So shoot me.
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Is Skypeia really is that bad? I haven't seen it.
It's pretty good if you watch it straight through, or in large chunks like the DVD sets have. Reading the manga weekly was unbearably slow though.
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the whole montblanc noland and calgura relation ship, is what made the arc for me, definitely one of my favorite's. plus it featured the first appearance of klabaurterman, a key aspect in the next major arc.
so who here is getting the collection. i most certainly am
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And I didn't say I hated Skypeia, I just don't like it. Luffy Fan, Bleach is non-stop action. I said I like STORYLINE. -something I felt Skypeia was lacking when compared to the other arcs.
I always thought Skypiea was more storyline than action compared to arcs like Enies Lobby.
-yet another great weapon (what?)
The existence of the Ancient Weapon, Poseidon, was mentioned in Skypiea.
-dials (Definitely used later, but hell, Usopp just as easily could've bought them at a shop or found them while diving)
How could someone find items that are only found in the sky outside of the sky?
-ambition(as yet unnamed) (what?)
Mantra=Haki, as revealed in the manga.
Haki=Ambition
-concept of sky islands (THat's fine, but couldn't Eneru have had more of an intelligent plan, like Crocodile? It seemed like he was just all "IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE")
His plan was to find 4 of the strongest and most worthy people on Skypiea and bring them to paradise (the Endless Vearth) with him. All those unworthy to him, he chose to 'smite', along with the island he no longer found worthy of his presence (Skypiea). He had a god complex, and was acting as if he was a god.
And…
So shoot me.
Bang.
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These collections are just the thing I needed (haven't been able to buy all the season sets, plus I need to replace S2V2 any way, one of the discs are busted).
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I wasn't including Jaya in that, just Skypeia. No need to bash me because I don't like one single arc in One Piece, jesus. And I agree with it having the best flashback I loved that flashback.
And I didn't say I hated Skypeia, I just don't like it. Luffy Fan, Bleach is non-stop action. I said I like STORYLINE. -something I felt Skypeia was lacking when compared to the other arcs.
How in the hell was Skypiea lacking storyline?!
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I wasn't including Jaya in that, just Skypeia. No need to bash me because I don't like one single arc in One Piece, jesus. And I agree with it having the best flashback I loved that flashback.
And I didn't say I hated Skypeia, I just don't like it. Luffy Fan, Bleach is non-stop action. I said I like STORYLINE. -something I felt Skypeia was lacking when compared to the other arcs.
And not including Jaya, you're left with these…
-chopper dealt with stuff on his own (He could've done this later)
-roger's scrawl on the ponyglyph (We'll see the significance)
-yet another great weapon (what?)
-insight into rio ponyglyph
-dials (Definitely used later, but hell, Usopp just as easily could've bought them at a shop or found them while diving)
-ambition(as yet unnamed) (what?)
-concept of sky islands (THat's fine, but couldn't Eneru have had more of an intelligent plan, like Crocodile? It seemed like he was just all "IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE")Most of those aren't really needed, and all of them aren't THAT important. I'm not saying Skypeia is a BAD arc, just that I thought it had less storyline and was dragged out. So shoot me.
They also, you know, got all that gold in Skypiea. But, I mean, its not like that was important to the plot or anything… I mean, its not like that gold/ the money they got for it was the driving force behind just about everything that happened in the Water Seven arc......... wait...
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They also, you know, got all that gold in Skypiea. But, I mean, its not like that was important to the plot or anything… I mean, its not like that gold/ the money they got for it was the driving force behind just about everything that happened in the Water Seven arc......... wait...
game. set. match.
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It's funny to hear people dismiss Sky Island "cause not much happened there".
If you have that attitude then you might as well hate the following….
The fight with Alvida and Buggy the Clown
The Gaimon island and his animals
Little Garden (Heck nothing major story wise happened there)
The entire Thriller Bark arc
The scuffle with Duvalarrgggg I forgot what my point was but really somethings are fun just cause they are.
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so who here is getting the collection. i most certainly am
I pre-ordered it the day it came up on RightStuf. I dunno if I'll keep it since I won every set, but I'm trying to show support by making a purchase anyway.
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Why is Skypiea getting knocked? It's one of my favorite Arcs! Mostly because of how detailed the background was. Though, granted, I was not reading the manga of it way back when so I could see where a weekly release would drive someone up the wall, but marathoning from the Knock-Up stream onward is just fantastic to watch.
Albeit a bit strange when you're listening to the Dub after watching the previous arcs for how the dub started at those eps…
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I am rewatching Thriller Bark, I didn't like it the first time, but I am giving it a second chance.
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-concept of sky islands (THat's fine, but couldn't Eneru have had more of an intelligent plan, like Crocodile? It seemed like he was just all "IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE")
His actual plan was 6 years in the making. After overtaking the title of God, he used his soldiers to build an arc made of gold so he can go to the moon using the gold as a conductor. He ruled the kingdom through fear of retribution and turned an earthly title into an all powerful entity that controls the entire island.
The survival game held off the warriors until he finished his plans and he used the victors to determine who was worthy to go on his journey and planned to do his "divine duty" of sending this "unnatural phenomena" straight by sending the people and earth back into the sea instead of the sky which fit his Psycho God motif.
And I get that you mean story telling that influences the "overall plot" so from that I can understand why Skypiea doesn't interest you (minus the gold and it's use in future stories); however, the story of Skypiea itself is the most solid work that Oda has done. I would even say from Jaya (minus the introduction to a bunch of new characters, just the setup for the adventure in the sky) to the end of Skypiea built up and executed the story perfectly, setting up an entire world with it's own culture and conflict, and it's great. Characterization is solid, and the Strawhats all bonded together and had some really nice moments.
And I'd assume reading Skypiea weekly would suck. I know the anime paced it slowly and padded the beginning with filler so it's a really slow start. But even the manga tended to recap events and have panels that described what just happened in the last chapter.
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The thing about the weekly experience is that after the fact is really means nothing. One can easily just marathon their way from the series and never think there was a problem with the pacing.
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I wasn't including Jaya in that, just Skypeia. No need to bash me because I don't like one single arc in One Piece, jesus. And I agree with it having the best flashback I loved that flashback.
It's the same arc. It all deals with dreams within dreams. The dream of Skypiea. Bellamy's mocking of it. Teach's insistence that pirates searching for dreams would never be over. Norland's descendant searching for it. Dofla's statement that the age of dreams is over. The ringing of the bell signalling that Norland was telling the truth, and that the dream had been attained. It's the fundamental point behind Skypiea.
@Zephray:And I didn't say I hated Skypeia, I just don't like it. Luffy Fan, Bleach is non-stop action. I said I like STORYLINE. -something I felt Skypeia was lacking when compared to the other arcs.
And yet you miss the narrative inherent in the arc, and instead prefer to talk about CP9, which had a great start in Water 7, but totally fell flat as of enies lobby. Whose villains were generic wastes of space.
@Zephray:And not including Jaya, you're left with these…
You can't leave jaya out, that's the whole point. But I'll humour you for a minute
@Zephray:-chopper dealt with stuff on his own (He could've done this later)
This is just stupid. oda could have anything happen anywhere, but he didn't. It happened here, deal with it.
@Zephray:-roger's scrawl on the ponyglyph (We'll see the significance)
This thread has already been pushed forward in saobondy, with "the voice of all things". it's obviously of significance.
@Zephray:-yet another great weapon (what?)
You know, the ones that your favourite arc was built around as a macguffin?
@Zephray:-insight into rio ponyglyph
So you have nothing to say over the fact that pretty much the most important plot thread OP has had was brought to life in Skypiea.
@Zephray:-dials (Definitely used later, but hell, Usopp just as easily could've bought them at a shop or found them while diving)
Undermining the whole point that they were something special with disparate abilities that can only be found in the land of dreams and thus are rare in the blue sea
@Zephray:-ambition(as yet unnamed) (what?)
So you forgot about mantra then?
@Zephray:-concept of sky islands (THat's fine, but couldn't Eneru have had more of an intelligent plan, like Crocodile? It seemed like he was just all "IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE")
As snocone says, it was his god complex. Crocodile & Enel have hugely different motivations.
And then you miss out klabautermann, which worked here because of the specialist equipment needed to reach a sky island, and in which further damage to the ship was threaded into choppers heroic stand against someone he couldn't beat.
You also miss robin finding a purpose to live, without which cp9 wouldn't have meant much of anything.Most of those aren't really needed, and all of them aren't THAT important. I'm not saying Skypeia is a BAD arc, just that I thought it had less storyline and was dragged out. So shoot me.
If you cut out Skypiea, one piece as a story would not work. The true history is the most important plot thread there is, and a lot of it comes from here. Robin finding a real reason to travel with Luffy is hugely important too.
And yet in your opinion:
But what makes it a great arc? There was no story. Straw Hats fight their way to take down a strong dousche.
Maybe you should read through it again since you apparently don't understand it.
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It's funny to hear people dismiss Sky Island "cause not much happened there".
If you have that attitude then you might as well hate the following….
The fight with Alvida and Buggy the Clown
The Gaimon island and his animals
Little Garden (Heck nothing major story wise happened there)
The entire Thriller Bark arc
The scuffle with Duvalarrgggg I forgot what my point was but really somethings are fun just cause they are.
ADVENTURE!Agreed. I DIDNT SAY I HATED SKYPEIA, just -for the millionth time- that it dragged on and had less of a story than other arcs. I still hold that opinion, but you're all right in saying that it did hold some significance and some plot.
I'm going to go leave this forum forever now. You guys are immature assholes (insulting people needlessly on forums for their opinions).
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Arlong Park, the communist regime.
But seriously, how is CP9 any different from the other villains in the series? They really were no different than the Baroque Works agents (#1-5), Priests in Skypiea, Mysterious 4, etc. The only difference is that Luffy fought one of the underlings who ended up being hyped up because the mastermind was a weakling (Spandam).
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I'm going to go leave this forum forever now. You guys are immature assholes (insulting people needlessly on forums for their opinions).
I do believe you started this ball rolling by calling the opinion that Skypiea was the best arc a "terrible remark".
If you want to walk away just because your arguments to support this statement have proven inaccurate, that's your prerogative.
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I am rewatching Thriller Bark, I didn't like it the first time, but I am giving it a second chance.
The Duval arc showed us the people who would be protecting the ship while the strawhats are separated, and show us Hachi again.All right you got me I'll give you the Duval arc and trade you the Davy Back Fight.
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I keep hearing 'voids in suits' when discussing the flaws of CP9, and I can really only assume they're talking about Lucci since the other members of CP9 have interesting enough quirks and personalities that I certainly wouldn't call them voids. Lucci is kind of boring though, I'll grant. But I look at Enies Lobby like this: If you think Lucci is the villain, then you're thinking about it the wrong way.
The villain is Spandam.
Sure, Lucci is the fighter Luffy, the main character, has to defeat in the climax, but immediately making Lucci 'the villain' of the arc based on that fact is exactly the same 'generic shounen' mindset people use to rail against this arc. Enies Lobby is different from all the other main arcs because of this fact, Luffy isn't fighting the mastermind, he isn't fighting the real villain.
Spandam is a weakling who, despite his best efforts, wears his flaws on his sleeve. He's cowardly, he's a weakling, but he's ambitious and knows exactly how to manipulate political power to his advantage. Or so he likes to think. But he doesn't have any fighting power, unless you count CP9 itself, particularly Lucci.
Perhaps that's why Lucci is so bland, he's acting as Spandam's arm. If he wasn't such a 'void' then perhaps the arc would've felt like it had too many villains vying for the spotlight.
I like Spandam because he's a very un-shounen bad guy. But I'm the sort of guy who likes Kefka the most out of all the Final Fantasy villains, so take that as you will.
It's also the first time we really see the corruption higher up in the World Government, Warlords not withstanding. Sure the Elder Stars were ominous, but we never saw them do anything besides sit in a big room and be, well, ominous. We saw Spandam's actions, his plotting, and the results of that first hand.
There's a lot more going on in Enies Lobby that people give it credit for these days, largely as a backlash against the portion of One Piece fans who vocally praise the arc only for its fightingfightingfighting, but that's selling the arc short. Much like the people who say Skypiea is terrible.
Skypiea's my personal least favorite major arc, true, but I still enjoy it quite a bit. I just wish it didn't drag so much in the middle, that the Satori fight was shorter, and there was no atrociously unnecessary rematch against his twins later. Tatum really added a lot to Eneru, though, and sadly I don't really expect that English Spandam would be as compelling. But who knows?
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All right you got me I'll give you the Duval arc and trade you the Davy Back Fight.
Aokiji
Showing the SH are still small fries
The revelation that there are 3 powers in the world
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Aokiji
Showing the SH are still small fries
The revelation that there are 3 powers in the world
Admirals
Usopp showing his insecurityNo no When Aokiji shows up that the beginning of the CP9 Saga.
How bout this for Saga seperations anyone agree with this?! East Blue Beginning of series in east blue to beginning of Grand Line
Baroque Works Begins when they pick up a princess and ends when they leave a princess behind
Skypiea Begins when a ship fall out of the sky and ends when a ship falls out of a sky
CP9 Begins when Aokiji shows up and ends when Aokiji shows up to talk with robin during the party
Red Line Begins when the crew is all together and fights together ends when the crew is broken up and defeated
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Davy Back Fight is part of the CP9 saga. It ends when they leave Water 7 with the Sunny.
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I know Davy Back fight is usually lumped in with CP9 but from a major story point it really has nothing to do with the CP9. It's just sorta out there.
I just saw that ViZ is calling the new volumes The Paramount War. I like that. I also like my Viz volumes with the Saga names in the title. I have some of the Early gold lettered volumes that I would like to trade for the Saga titled volumes. Or would that be stupid of me? -
The Davy Back fight was just good fun. LMAO!!!
I think DBF did show some good details, but it was almost like a side arc until Aokiji shows up.
I still enjoy watching it because it did have some great looking animation for OP standards.I wish the fight with Lucci wasn't so hard to follow in the anime, it seemed to keep going with barely any point.
One thing I liked about Enies lobby was what we saw about corruption and Aokiji. I liked them showing that Aokiji
drew the line somewhere during the Buster Call, and didn't approve when a VA destroyed a passenger ship.