Chapter 607: "10,000 Meters Under the Sea" Discussion

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

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RomanceDawn

What a great chapter! For obvious reasons we will see a huge focus on Nami and how she will deal with all of this. But what about Franky? The people here at fishman island who are so close to Water 7 must know of Tom's deeds to the world. And I hope there are no wasted opportunities for great dialogue between Franky and other aquatic people.

Also as we talked about in the spoiler thread that Octo guy sitting next to Hammond appears to be the first in story Merman. Humanesc half on top, fishy side on the bottom. Nice to see that not only fishmen are apart of the fishmen pirates.

It happens so rarely that when Usopp gets acknowledged I jump for joy! Can't wait until his new weapon is explained as well.

As for Sanji I am not bugged by it because it does not at all appear to be just a gag. Something is up with him and it appears to be developing as a real plot point. Interesting to see where it goes.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@RobbyBevard:

Oda's having fun and its showing on every page. The whole crew together, all of them doing something in every panel… This is what OP is all about.

Right on the spot.
The action Oda presents us off panel is what rly gave character to his work and which lets me rly have feelings for the whole crew.
Seeing those interactions in the background makes me feel like part of the crew who also gets to see those stuff which isn`t relevant for the actual storyline.
Maybe this was the biggest thing i missed during the seperation.

huron

@MarcelloF:

Hancock still hates men. She only loves Luffy and likes Rayleigh. Everyone else she hates.

Plus, if you say it would be the same as Hancock, why do you want Oda to repeat something he did one arc ago? Especially seeing as it would both be about slavery.

And we already had the "hating humans, then learning to trust them"-crewmate with Chopper.

she loves fisher tiger,and for extension every fishman

Ashura_KingFisher

Luffy smiling everytime makes this chapter much better. Damn, I love this guy's expressions.

Horondir

When I think about it it's not often Luffy doesn't change nakamas' beliefs: Franky was a criminal; so was Robin, who often tricked her associates (ending in deaths); Chopper hated creatures as a whole, except for doctor and doctorine; Nami HATED pirates; Zoro used to be a badass pirate hunter and decided to follow this "kid" from out of nowhere and be a pirate (though his goal always was to become the best swordsman, no matter the cost).

I guess Hancock doesn't hate men that are Luffy's friends at least.

Funny how Luffy now has two "pets".

Krazykwasi

@Don:

Right on the spot.
The action Oda presents us off panel is what rly gave character to his work and which lets me rly have feelings for the whole crew.
Seeing those interactions in the background makes me feel like part of the crew who also gets to see those stuff which isn`t relevant for the actual storyline.
Maybe this was the biggest thing i missed during the seperation.

So true. I remember in the very beginning I was skeptical about OP because I though the drawing style of Oda was "too childish" but as I got into it I realized it worked and it since he isn't following some strick "Realism" drwing script he seems to be having fun with his freedom which makes this series on of the best. He is going to have a ball with the drawings of the fishmen and sea-kings.

swilung

holy crap an early release yay …. off to reading :P

ice_edge

@Krazykwasi:

I would love to quote the chapter but I am short on time atm….. I vaguely remember him in the ocean looking up at Luffy, Releigh etc as he bid them farewell while mentioning to them he should return to FI now to see whats up because he knows things will get rough for them with WB gone an all. Didn't he say he would be waiting on the day after 2 years when he will see how much Luffy has grown at the FI? Not to mention since Jinbei is now wanted where else would he, a powerful Fishman once Shichibukai, go to seek refuge?

But that was 2 years ago. Much has probably changed in FI by now. :ninja:

eerie

so short :( but yes, you can tell Oda's really having fun right now.

lucy_naribola

I clapped and squeed like a little girl when they appeared in front of FI. I also clapped at Usopp's attack… hmmm, maybe I have a thing for clapping?
Robin stopping Zoro was cute, specially because (correct me if I'm wrong) is the first time she adresses him as "Zoro" and not swordsman-san or whatever she was calling him before.
And Sanji... well, I laughed, of course, and I'm with the people who don't understand the hate.

ice_edge

@lucy_naribola:

I clapped and squeed like a little girl when they appeared in front of FI. I also clapped at Usopp's attack… hmmm, maybe I have a thing for clapping?
Robin stopping Zoro was cute, specially because (correct me if I'm wrong) is the first time she adresses him as "Zoro" and not swordsman-san or whatever she was calling him before.
And Sanji... well, I laughed, of course, and I'm with the people who don't understand the hate.

I think that was post-alabasta arc. .

She started to call him zoro after water 7 arc I believe. Or damn it I can't remember but it was not recently.

Bulletproof

@Gliblord:

One of those sea kings was from the epic Calm Belt panel from chapter 101ish. Kickass.

I don't believe so, the one at calm belt was like 20x bigger then Merry Go, this one is x20 times Surume's size! It may be same species, but not the same, also if I'm not wrong someone pointed out that the "drawings" (sorry, can't remember a better world, my first language isn't english) on its skin are different.

SuperSonic-Strawhat

@MarcelloF:

Well he didn't. Ace is Law.

And Sabo is Law.

The mood was just destroyed. We should ban unfunny comments.

Maki707

@SuperSonic-Strawhat:

The mood was just destroyed. We should ban unfunny comments.

I sure hope not :ermm:
I'll be shipped out of here in no time :S

I agree that Oda had used Sanji's nosebleed gag a little too often in recent chapters. I thought this situation would be perfect for Robin's grim humour to shine. Did'nt happen :(

lucy_naribola

@ice_edge:

I think that was post-alabasta arc. .

She started to call him zoro after water 7 arc I believe. Or damn it I can't remember but it was not recently.

Well, she started calling everybody by their name after Water 7… but I think it's the first time she calls Zoro... well, Zoro...

56ghk

for some strange reasons the sea kings remind me of spongebob O_o
like that rhino
http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Sea_Rhinoceros
and
there might be a bear too xD
http://www.giantkillersquid.com/2010/06/23/comically-challenged-sea-bear-grizzly-shark/untitled-5/

Gizmo

@Haki1234:

What if Van is one of the escaped level 6 prisoners. I am surprised no one suggested this before unless i missed it.

I was thinking something along the lines as well, especially when I saw a sailor looking like he has a striped shirt like the Impel Down uniforms.

The scene with Sanji willing to die to pervertedly look at Fishman Island was hilarious, mostly because of how seriously Usopp and Chopper are taking his "illness". I remember how before the timeskip some people wanted Sanji to be able to kick women, and now he seems to actually be worse off than before in that regard.

And Hammond looks badass. At the very least, if his VOICE scares off Surume he must be stronger than the Kraken, along with all the other HUGE seakings (my favorite is the dangerous sea giraffe). Even if he is just a combatant he's not a pushover. It'll be cool to see him in action.

choperman

ARLONG!!!!!!!!!!!

hopefully he's gotten a lot stronger, I mean if his henchmen can take down monsters like that I'm sure he can too, he must have gotten really strong

namimore

Mad love for this chapter!
Hammond is so badass!! I cannot wait to see more fishmen designs o
We've only just began…but I already have a feeling that FI is going to be my favorite arc :wub:

Krazykwasi

@ice_edge:

But that was 2 years ago. Much has probably changed in FI by now. :ninja:

I found it Ice_edge Jinbei promising to meet Luffy at FI. O yea I don't doubt it that things have changed, which for all we know could be the driving plot of this Arc. Jinbei was the shit back then but there's no telling how things have changed, for the worst I will assume, and his status there. The SHs already like to go and help people on different countries and islands out when theres trouble but if something was to happen to Uncle Jinbei then its war.

Hammond is the head guy talking but he's not the boss of the new fishman pirates. Wasn't Jinbei the Captain of the Sunny Pirates (which Arlong also belonged too before he left?). Wonder who's in charge of the new Fishman Pirates? Jinbei? Someone stronger than Jinbei? The plot thickens

SingingThroughTheStorm

That chapter was great. I am so exited for the anime to catch up.
I love how serious the moment was with Sanji was. I hope when the anime gets their they play that song they play during most sad moments.

I also really like the picture at the end. I am going to use that as a reference while coloring OP manga.
You notice chopper is wearing his old hat in that scene?

Krazykwasi

^ Cause that picture was a pre-timeskip image. There were all old design.

choperman

@Krazykwasi:

Hammond is the head guy talking but he's not the boss of the new fishman pirates. Wasn't Jinbei the Captain of the Sunny Pirates (which Arlong also belonged too before he left?). Wonder who's in charge of the new Fishman Pirates? Jinbei? Someone stronger than Jinbei? The plot thickens

did you miss that whole scene of them narrowing in on the arlong pirates symbol?????

blackbeard teach

Why was the logo changed in the mangastream release from the chinese raw scan?

Ruuufffiii

I have never posted this before but I had to this time….

Awesome, awesome chapter.

choperman

@Ruuufffiii:

I have never posted this before but I had to this time….

Awesome, awesome chapter.

If you've been around since april you should have seen a number of chapters that were better than this, I still loved this chapter though

HikaruYami

@Krazykwasi:

^ Cause that picture was a pre-timeskip image. There were all old design.

Indeed… how the hell did that guy notice chopper's hat, but not Nami's boobs and hair, or Robin's hair, or Zoro's eye, or Sanji's eyebrow, or Usopp's facial hair....

MarcelloF

@huron:

she loves fisher tiger,and for extension every fishman

I forgot Fisher Tiger, but I wouldn't say she likes all of the Fishmen. She was a total bitch to Jinbei and there's nothing pointing towards her caring about them all.

SingingThroughTheStorm

I always liked Arlong's Pirate symbol. It seemed much creepier than the others.
It was really intricate also, my favorite design out of OP.

Krazykwasi

@choperman:

did you miss that whole scene of them narrowing in on the arlong pirates symbol?????

No I did not miss it. I also took notice to his other emblem which is a bold statement thats says that he (or they as a crew) have some respect for the Sunny Pirates, due to the sun emblem, as well as death to humans, they hate humans. I took it as either the symbol of the New Fishman Pirates or just a way for Hammond to creatively express his pride as a fishman. Either way I dont think Arlong is the leader of the Fishman Pirates. Even though Arlong was a villain for Luffy and his crew he, apparently, is respected and revered by their fish brethren, even Jinbei has love for him, so its not surprising that a fishman would sport his symbol with pride. Oda zoomed in to show Nami's reaction to it.

choperman

@Krazykwasi:

No I did not miss it. I also took notice to his other emblem which is a bold statement thats says that he (or they as a crew) have some respect for the Sunny Pirates, due to the sun emblem, as well as death to humans, they hate humans. I took it as either the symbol of the New Fishman Pirates or just a way for Hammond to creatively express his pride as a fishman. Either way I dont think Arlong is the leader of the Fishman Pirates.

he had the head cut off a body because I figured he was saying the old fishman pirates are dead were the new ones, and you must be daft if you don't think arlong is the new captain what the hell would be the point of the scene and having nami eyes close in on the symbol, and please please don't say he's not strong enough you couldn't say something much dumber

EDIT: the rest of that starment was dumb too, we haven't seen, you really don't understand things to well, he showed it because they have respect, what was the whole reaction on nami's part for, why even add it I'm done with this I can't wait until we see him again, and why have only they worn the symbol we've seen other fishman like the marco pirates and jinbei who haven't

sanji499

@SingingThroughTheStorm:

I always liked Arlong's Pirate symbol. It seemed much creepier than the others.
It was really intricate also, my favorite design out of OP.

Agreed. Nami had chills when she saw it.

It is also a great memory for OP fans because it is possibly the arc that made us realize how aweome One piece was.

MarcelloF

@choperman:

he had the head cut off a body because I figured he was saying the old fishman pirates are dead were the new ones, and you must be daft if you don't think arlong is the new captain what the hell would be the point of the scene and having nami eyes close in on the symbol, and please please don't say he's not strong enough you couldn't say something much dumber

EDIT: the rest of that starment was dumb too, we haven't seen, you really don't understand things to well, he showed it because they have respect, what was the whole reaction on namis part for, why even add it I'm done with this I can't wait until we see him again

Wait.. You think Arlong is the boss?

choperman

@MarcelloF:

Wait.. You think Arlong is the boss?

You've got to be shitting me…. did you really just ask that

murderedboy

@MarcelloF:

Wait.. You think Arlong is the boss?

Of the new fishman pirates, yes, that is exactly what he is saying.

There is nothing to suggest the new fishman pirates have to be the major arc opponents.

It is getting really sad if you think arlong won't re-appear now.

We have had Hachi, Jinbei, Slavery theme and why Arlong's digust with humans is justified, Mohmoo, and now this.

Seriously, if he doesn't appear now, that will just be terrible.

MarcelloF

@choperman:

You've got to be shitting me…. did you really just ask that

Sorry, but I think that's unlikely. Hammond would've talked differently about Arlong then.

Maybe you're right, though. I wouldn't mind, but, right now, I don't think we need Arlong to be around. Luffy already beat him, so we have closure there and he'll never be friendly with the Strawhats. I just don't see the point.

Maki707

@murderedboy:

Of the new fishman pirates, yes, that is exactly what he is saying.

There is nothing to suggest the new fishman pirates have to be the major arc opponents.

It is getting really sad if you think arlong won't re-appear now.

We have had Hachi, Jinbei, Slavery theme and why Arlong's digust with humans is justified, Mohmoo, and now this.

Seriously, if he doesn't appear now, that will just be terrible.

There is a big difference between Arlong re-appearing and Arlong being the boss of these new antagonists.
There can no longer be a credible fight between Arlong and one of the monster trio. Unless Arlong gets some ridicolous power-up

Bulletproof

He can appear now but it doesn't OBLIGATE him to be the freaking boss, Jesus the guy even said "Arlong's crew" and "Arlong's pirates" not counting himself in, you may say that was only that time and i won't disagree, but it isn't set on stone yet, we do not know if he is the boss of Hammong or not.
Why can't the new symbol "no human" be from the new Fishmen Crew instead of the Arlong one been the current? Gosh…

RPGJay

@Maki707:

There is a big difference between Arlong re-appearing and Arlong being the boss of these new antagonists.
There can no longer be a credible fight between Arlong and one of the monster trio. Unless Arlong gets some ridicolous power-up

Just to play devil's advocate, you do realize that Arlong could've gotten stronger too. Not to mention the crew is on his home turf.

murderedboy

Whatever, I'm personally not too invested in the idea of Arlong being the boss, however, if you think Arlong won't re-appear now, you either know something we don't or you're a complete fucking tool.

Most people fall into the second category, without a doubt.

Krazykwasi

@choperman:

he had the head cut off a body because I figured he was saying the old fishman pirates are dead were the new ones, and you must be daft if you don't think arlong is the new captain what the hell would be the point of the scene and having nami eyes close in on the symbol, and please please don't say he's not strong enough you couldn't say something much dumber

EDIT: the rest of that starment was dumb too, we haven't seen, you really don't understand things to well, he showed it because they have respect, what was the whole reaction on nami's part for, why even add it I'm done with this I can't wait until we see him again, and why have only they worn the symbol we've seen other fishman like the marco pirates and jinbei who haven't

So you think the severed head is that of a Fishman (to represent the Sunny Pirates being dead and gone) versus a human (who discriminate the Fishman race)? Sounds like you are the daft 1 for thinking that. Everyone knows how much Nami hated Arlong so her even seeing his emblem will strike fear and anger in her heart. We dont know who these guys are yet but best believe Nami already doesn't like the look of that guy if he has respect for Arlong.

The statement I made about Fishman (in general) respecting a tyrant like Arlong was maybe a little too much but from what we've seen Fishmen LOATHE humans so its not far-fetched to believe that the rest of his peers like him for that. Think about the Black Panthers emblem. Not every Black person liked the fact that that organization used violence to send the message across but some did so they supported the movement and adopted the Black Panther symbol as 1 of pride.

I personally dont count on seeing Arlong as their leader, not saying he wouldn't show up completely. Thats my opinion.

murderedboy

@Krazykwasi:

The statement I made about Fishman (in general) respecting a tyrant like Arlong was maybe a little too much but from what we've seen Fishmen LOATHE humans so its not far-fetched to believe that the rest of his peers like him for that. Think about the Black Panthers emblem. Not every Black person liked the fact that that organization used violence to send the message across but some did so they supported the movement and adopted the Black Panther symbol as 1 of pride.

Yeah, how dare fishmen loathe humans. All humans have done is oppress them, eat them, trade them as slaves, beat them silly and shoot them when they see them above land, and do whatever they want to their homeland.

Seriously, what a bunch of babies fishmen are, and how dare they fight back.

Krazykwasi

@murderedboy:

Yeah, how dare fishmen loathe humans. All humans have done is oppress them, eat them, trade them as slaves, beat them silly and shoot them when they see them above land, and do whatever they want to their homeland.

Seriously, what a bunch of babies fishmen are, and how dare they fight back.

Hope you caught my train of though.

Maki707

@RPGJay:

Just to play devil's advocate, you do realize that Arlong could've gotten stronger too. Not to mention the crew is on his home turf.

Well yeah but as much as the top 3 fighters? Even Sanji vs Arlong.. Oda would have to pull out some kind of massive power-up for Arlong for it to be a credible fight IMO.
I mean.. okay, it's not impossible. But I highly doubt it.
By home turf do you mean an underwater battle? That could be more credible if it happens. But still from what we seen from Sanji against the Kraken it would still be pushing it.. IMO

murderedboy

@Krazykwasi:

Hope you caught my train of though.

Yeah, I did -> new fishman pirates fight for the sea-people so they are liked for that even though they use unconventional methods to achieve their desired living environment.

RPGJay

@Maki707:

By home turf do you mean an underwater battle?

Yes .

murderedboy

@Maki707:

Well yeah but as much as the top 3 fighters? Even Sanji vs Arlong.. Oda would have to pull out some kind of massive power-up for Arlong for it to be a credible fight IMO.
I mean.. okay, it's not impossible. But I highly doubt it.
By home turf do you mean an underwater battle? That could be more creible if it happens. But still from what we seen from Sanji against the Kraken it would still be pushing it.. IMO

Do you remember how fast Arlong was going in the water when he fought Luffy?

It isn't far fetched to assume he is faster then sanji underwater, maybe a little weaker in physical strength though. So, I don't know what you are complaining about.

Krazykwasi

Sanji is fast and extremely mobile underwater but against a strong Fishman (say Arlong or Jinbei's status) he'll still have a hard time. He is still limited.

Robby

Barring the fact that the "no human" tatoo is a corruption of the sun pirate symbol (which was in itself a corruption of the slavery mark… so tons and tons of fishmen have it, even those that were never slaves...)

Last we heard, Arlong was in jail.

Last we heard, Jimbei was going back to Fishman Island, and was regretful about what unleashing Arlong upon the world had done.

Last we heard, Hachi (and Caimie) had gone back to Fishman Island to recuperate.

This chapter, our new eel friend is talking about how the arlong pirates were destroyed, but also about Hachi, and Luffy striking the Tenryubiito, so he knows all about both.

There's no reason for Arlong to come back that random members of his crew don't serve. What point would Arlong serve? For Luffy to beat down a guy he beat years ago before he even had gears, let alone haki? For Jimbei to beat him down? For Nami to deal with the emotions that the tatoo alone is bringing up?

For Arlong to show that he a)hasn't changed at all from his beating and is still evil or b)has totally changed and done a complete turn around from being beaten by a human?
c)To make the entire long awaited arc a complete retread of an old arc?

Arlong is one the few pure racists iredeemable evil asses of the series. The guy committed one of the few on screen blatant murders. OP, as good as it is, is still a shonen and isn't going to spend time trying to redeem or make us sympathetic to a character like that. (Its enough that we know he once wanted to ride a ferris wheel.) Especially when we had the entire Impel Down arc redeeming villains left and right.

Nami is never going to forgive Arlong. Arlong really can't be redeemed in any convincing way and stomping down the same villain a second time not only wouldn't be as personal this time around, but would feel more useless and like nothing was being accomplished. And while Oda has brought villains back in new roles, he hasn't repeated any defeated ones as an arc boss, what would be the point? Emotionally, you can't compete with freeing Nami from years of slavery with the same villain a second time.

Barring a completely unguessable role turnaround that currently has no foreshadowing(Arlong is now a slave or being bargained for between the goverment or is a hero or something) there is no reason at all for him to appear in this arc. Not when there's millions of other fish types that can fill the exact same role, BETTER, simply by having the tatoo and having known him once. Getting the remnants of the old crew (particularly when they weren't even at Arlong Park) under a new, stronger leader works better dramatically.

Arlong won't be appearing in this arc except in flashback if we see what caused him and Jimbei to split and/or the great Fisher Tiger rebellion.