Well, to ensure that no admirals fall in the water, this is what I was picturing as a side view.
The War With Whitebeard
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You know, I think it would've been overly complicated for the manga to try and do like… actually credible war strategies. But that's a great one, and had Oda actually used it, I might've been a tad bit impressed.
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Honestly, it was just convenience that Sengoku didn't kill Ace when he had the chance.
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When this war ends, what do you think will become of One Piece?
I know Oda is a very talented writer, but right now, all the big characters are being thrown at each other and many of them are likely to have their roles played out before the war ends.
Meanwhile, the epicness of this arc is above any ratings and will be extremely hard to surpass in the future. When the crew reaches the New World, will there still be room for such epicness with characters whom we don't know?
I'm relating this to Death Note and how that series fell after L died. Most main characters were pushed into the background and the series really lost most of it's charm. Is there a possibility the same will ever happen to One Piece.
I have faith in Oda, but I just worry he's driving himself into a corner here.
Discuss.
SORRY FOR MAKING THIS SUPER LONG, AND CAPED, BUT I THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE EPICNESS COMING NEXT, I MEAN THINK ABOUT IT, THE MARINES/NAVY ARE PART OF GOVERNMENT. ENEMIES ARE GOING TO BE TOUGHER THAN EVER. I MEAN THE ROBIN ARC WAS PROBABLY JUST A PREVIEW OF THE GOVERNMENTS POWERS. THERE WAS ALSO A QUOTE SOMEWHERE, BUT I THINK SPANDOM SAID THIS, "HOW CAN YOU LIVE WHEN YOUR AGAINST THE WORLD" SOMETHING LIKE THAT SORRY FOR NOT GIVING ANY LINKS OR WHATEVER. BUT STILL, I AM SURE THERE WILL BE MORE COMING NEXT. AND DONT FORGET ABOUT LUFFIES FATHER, HE STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING MAJOR YET.
ANY THOUGHTS????
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I was expecting Sengoku to fence in the pirates better. If he could have built that huge wall on the battlefield, why couldn't he've built one behind the pirates, ensuring they couldn't escape. Not to mention, putting all the fodder marines in front of the strong pirate was really retarded too.
This is what I had pictured the battlefield to look like prior to the war:
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9674/warop.pnggray lines = steel walls
even though that is a very nice drawing, it would not work well at all. To quote aka inu "If we are all out there, who is left to defend this place!?".
The problem with wars in one piece IMHO in general is the absolutely unpredictable nature of the devil fruits and probably haki as well. Marco for example is basically unstopable if he is in mid air as a phoenix (case and point kizaru shooting lasers at him, which didnt stop him). If garp hadnt been at the execution stand, Marco might have saved ace on his own.
Another example was the whitebeard all out 'destroying marinford' attack, which destroyed all of the town and was about to destroy the execution stand itself, but was stopped by all the admirals probably using some sort of haki.
if those three hadnt been there at that point, whitebeard could have easily freed Ace on his own.Another very important point is that the Admirals might cancle each other out if they fought so close to each other. Ao Kiji and Aka Inus devil fruits dont seem to work well together. (like fire and ice, so to speak)
And lastly, the most important point of all, only fodder between Shichibukai and Ace!?!!?
The shichibukai clearly cant be trusted and using them in such an important tactical position is just bogus.What I'm trying to say is, if the Marines used this plan, they would have been defeated. they weren't defeated with the plan they used.
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SORRY FOR MAKING THIS SUPER LONG, AND CAPED, BUT I THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE EPICNESS COMING NEXT, I MEAN THINK ABOUT IT, THE MARINES/NAVY ARE PART OF GOVERNMENT. ENEMIES ARE GOING TO BE TOUGHER THAN EVER. I MEAN THE ROBIN ARC WAS PROBABLY JUST A PREVIEW OF THE GOVERNMENTS POWERS. THERE WAS ALSO A QUOTE SOMEWHERE, BUT I THINK SPANDOM SAID THIS, "HOW CAN YOU LIVE WHEN YOUR AGAINST THE WORLD" SOMETHING LIKE THAT SORRY FOR NOT GIVING ANY LINKS OR WHATEVER. BUT STILL, I AM SURE THERE WILL BE MORE COMING NEXT. AND DONT FORGET ABOUT LUFFIES FATHER, HE STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING MAJOR YET.
ANY THOUGHTS????
ah, that hurts my eyes and brain to look at, it's like its yelling at me, but anyway i digress…
yes the enimes shall be tougher and yes it will very probably be epic
. and ya i think the whole sabo arc kinda emphisised that with the whole world seeming to be out kill his dream, in the future i think thre will be a lot of emphasis put on the corruption in the WG(not that that hasnt been shown already) and the different ideas on 'justice' -
Why the hell would things get LESS exciting now that the war is over? I only see things getting MORE exciting after the war. Coming attractions still include:
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The inevitable Straw Hat reunion with boosted power levels, no-longer-emo-Luffy, and a considerably fatter Usopp (I hope they keep him in his lardass state long enough for us to see Fat Sogeking).
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The shifiting power balance in the New World and the chaotic pirate battles and bids for power yet to come, which OBVIOUSLY Luffy and pals will not get involved in in any way. ;)
More World Gov't cover-ups, more Tenryuubito dickery, more Yonkou fighting over Whitebeard's old turf, more Supernovas staking their claims, more Shichibukai and Garp doing whatever the fuck they want while Sengoku looks on in disgust because nobody seems to listen to him anymore (except that damn goat)…how would any of that be considered boring?
(Except maybe Mihawk abandoning his post to go drinking with Shanks. AGAIN. Your tax dollars at work...)
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Dragon and Shanks will finally DO something besides make speeches and go drinking with Whitebeard (although maybe that was one more than the other)! This isn't speculation, this is simply a matter of time. They're one of Oda's many Chekhov's guns, and Oda seems like a prudent enough writer to fire them before OP comes to a close.
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The great and ultimate reveal of the DEEP DARK MYSTERIOUS NATURE of the Dark History, WG origins and cover-up, what's really on Raftel (besides a bunch of discarded Dixie cups from Roger's celebratory beer pong tourney) and what the fuck One Piece is, which warehouse the flying saucers are in, all that good stuff. You can read all about it in Robin's book, I'm sure (published by Nami and printed from Franky's crotch).
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Blackbeard gains the Sharingan and blows up Konoha---wait, there's nowhere clever I can go with that. Forget I said anything.
OP is an adventure manga first and foremost, not a pure fight manga. There are good fights, to be sure but OP is at its strongest during the journeys to its big reveals and climaxes. (See: the amazing progression of Thriller Bark, to a lesser extent Skypeia...hell, as much as Water 7/Enies Lobby annoyed the piss out of me, those were extremely well-paced as well during stuff like the train gauntlet and the great escape at the end.) To say that nothing in OP will ever top the war is not only to underestimate Oda, but also to misunderstand what OP is really all about.
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I was expecting Sengoku to fence in the pirates better. If he could have built that huge wall on the battlefield, why couldn't he've built one behind the pirates, ensuring they couldn't escape. Not to mention, putting all the fodder marines in front of the strong pirate was really retarded too.
This is what I had pictured the battlefield to look like prior to the war:
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9674/warop.pnggray lines = steel walls
because you have WB in middle. Also there is Marco and Joz. those two were doing fine against admirals before they were distracted. which means once the admirals are occupied anyone can steal an opportunity to free ace. Also you would want your fodders and other characters to damage WB as much as possible giving your trump cards best shot at taking him down.
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For those who said the war sucked : you didn't try to understand the point, eh?
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When this war ends, what do you think will become of One Piece?
One piece is now about both crewmate love and reaching your dream. In other words, "WE'RE gonna be pirate king!"
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I have to disagree with those who felt the war sucked. I thought it was pretty epic myself, and did a good job of showing the average calibre of oppenent in the new world. I would reckon it also set up a lot of stuff for the future of the manga as well.
Also while I did not expect great strategy in the manga, I thought we got some which was decent enough. No complaints there.
As for the future of the manga? Well I expect it will continue for several years past this day, and I hope it continues at this excellent quality for its entire run. I have no clue where it is headed, but for now I will just enjoy the ride.
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even though that is a very nice drawing, it would not work well at all. To quote aka inu "If we are all out there, who is left to defend this place!?".
It would be very difficult for the Whitebeard pirates to get to Ace. With a seemingly impenetrable wall blocking them from the scaffolding (making very few characters, such as Marco, able to fly/climb over), it would already be an arduous task. Factor in that they can't escape (the wall behind them prevents them from taking another route), they're pinned in by a bunch of very strong Marines and Shichibukai, and it becomes near impossible to break that strategy. The Admirals aren't the only people on the battlefield capable of holding their own.
Another example was the whitebeard all out 'destroying marinford' attack, which destroyed all of the town and was about to destroy the execution stand itself, but was stopped by all the admirals probably using some sort of haki.
if those three hadnt been there at that point, whitebeard could have easily freed Ace on his own.This is something that could have easily been countered by the Admirals using this strategy. They could have broken away from their current target just to stop Whitebeard. Not to mention Sengoku, who's as powerful as an Admiral (if not more powerful) is guarding the stand.
Another very important point is that the Admirals might cancle each other out if they fought so close to each other. Ao Kiji and Aka Inus devil fruits dont seem to work well together. (like fire and ice, so to speak)
All they need to do is make an effort not to hit eachother's attacks? Honestly, this isn't really that complicated. If they each go all out berserk on a certain section of the battlefield, just annihilating everything in their path, they'd be near invincible. If they're attacking each other in a very close proximity (which they wouldn't be doing of course), then obviously they'd fuck up.
And lastly, the most important point of all, only fodder between Shichibukai and Ace!?!!?
The shichibukai clearly cant be trusted and using them in such an important tactical position is just bogus.That's funny, because the Shichibukai helped the Marines a great deal during the war. The only subversion was minor at most (Hancock attacking a few Marines, and that's pretty much it). And the "fodder" marines include everyone under the rank of Vice Admiral. So that includes Rear Admirals (characters at Drake's level of strength), Commodores (characters at Smoker's level of strength), Captains, etc.
because you have WB in middle. Also there is Marco and Joz. those two were doing fine against admirals before they were distracted. which means once the admirals are occupied anyone can steal an opportunity to free ace.
As I said in the above paragraph and my initial diagram, they've got Vice Admirals, Shichibukai, Pacifista and other higher-up Marines to hold up the WB pirates.
Also you would want your fodders and other characters to damage WB as much as possible giving your trump cards best shot at taking him down.
As seen in my second picture, the ground is elevated, giving the Marines with guns plenty of range and space to hit WB.
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Holy shit what's up with this poll?
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Did that really need for it to be bumped?
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Rereading this thread has brought to light why Shmeckie is in the "Fuck You" tier.
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2 FUCKING BILLION??!!
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Oh… I remembered the Ivotas incident. XD
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ahahahaha holy shit I just reread the Ivotas ragequit.
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Was there ever a victim count? I can't remember.
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"Tittering goblin"
ahahahahaha
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I think the people are/were having the wrong idea about the purpose of this war.
This war had only 2 purposes:
-Ace's death = Luffy's development.
-WB's death (and speech about one piece) = new age.Battles, abilities, etc etc… are best shown in small 1vs1 battles, not in a war.
and to drive home Luffy's need for development, which was already somewhat clear ("No matter how much determination you have, without strength, you can't save anyone", or something to that effect, by Kizaru to Luffy.)
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Seriously, Kizaru was pretty harsh to Luffy during the war, calling him a piece of trash, kicking him around like a rag doll, methinks he holds a grudge.
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Seriously, Kizaru was pretty harsh to Luffy during the war, calling him a piece of trash, kicking him around like a rag doll, methinks he holds a grudge.
He's a marine.
Calling pirates trash and beating them up is their job.
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Did anyone think it was weird/stupid that WB who can destroy the world couldn't destroy a wall, is there some reasoning behind this like maybe it was made of the same material as the Poneglyphs that are said to be indestructible or are we just supposed to be fine with the fact he can destroy the world but not a wall?
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Did anyone think it was weird/stupid that WB who can destroy the world couldn't destroy a wall, is there some reasoning behind this like maybe it was made of the same material as the Poneglyphs that are said to be indestructible or are we just supposed to be fine with the fact he can destroy the world but not a wall?
Because he was a sick old man far past his prime.
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I always kinda figured that WB being able to destroy the world was a slight exaggeration…
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you'de think the marines would know better than making your usual wall against the world strongest man.
What is Oden saying to WB?
Become my son Whitebeard.
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@Cyan:
Because he was a sick old man far past his prime.
so he couldn't destroy a wall? I mean the guy still had awesome strength he split the damn Island apart
I always kinda figured that WB being able to destroy the world was a slight exaggeration…
well that's you assuming things and not listening to what the author is having an experienced intelligent individual say in his manga, basically your going against what the author told you
you'de think the marines would know better than making your usual wall against the world strongest man.
yes but will there be an explanation as to why or should we just take it a face value that this wall is to strong for him
that's my main concern will we just be left with this the wall is strong or will they elaborate on it, maybe it's a vegapunk invention or something who knows… anythings better than it's just a super wall
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Did anyone think it was weird/stupid that WB who can destroy the world couldn't destroy a wall, is there some reasoning behind this like maybe it was made of the same material as the Poneglyphs that are said to be indestructible or are we just supposed to be fine with the fact he can destroy the world but not a wall?
It was a strong wall, deal with it.
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well that's you assuming things and not listening to what the author is having an experienced intelligent individual say in his manga, basically your going against what the author told you
Well, it's just that, to test the hypothesis that WB's DF could destroy the world someone would have had to, well, destroy the world…
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that's my main concern will we just be left with this the wall is strong or will they elaborate on it, maybe it's a vegapunk invention or something who knows… anythings better than it's just a super wall
well it's an earthquake, the attack still passed through the wall and reached the platform.
it didn't hit the wall and stop.
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In the end, there will only be a wall. The earth will crumble at the power of WB, but the wall stand firm.
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Well, it's just that, to test the hypothesis that WB's DF could destroy the world someone would have had to, well, destroy the world…
Not really. Considering most of the world is water, you could basically flood the entire world if you wanted, and that's not even going into destroying it by just tearing the world apart with earthquakes.
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You flood the planet and the world is still there. you start a bunch of earthquakes and rip great gaping holes in the planet and the world is still there.
But that's not the point the point is could he create enough earthquakes on a big enough scale to even do that much? To answer that question he or someone else with that fruit would have had to try.
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It was a strong wall, deal with it.
No, go read bleach if this is how you like things, just take everything at face value without questioning it, yeah bleach sounds pretty good for you
@Louis:You flood the planet and the world is still there. you start a bunch of earthquakes and rip great gaping holes in the planet and the world is still there.
But that's not the point the point is could he create enough earthquakes on a big enough scale to even do that much? To answer that question he or someone else with that fruit would have had to try.
STUPID REASONING! basically your saying if we don't see something we can't believe it, and thus anything anyone tells us is useless, Oda wouldn't have sengoku scream that at the end of the chapter as a cliff hanger just because he was exaggerating, that's not how it works
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Alright, alright, I bow before your superior reasoning and concede the point.
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You said that if you ripped holes in the earth, it would still exist.
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Nuclear weapons are able to 'destroy' the world. WB could go around and cause earth quakes, tilt the oceans and cause tsunamis. However there are bunkers able to withstand nuclear weapons.
What I think the marines did was make a wall that took the blow and was flexible enough not to just break when it gets pushed/bent. As you could see when he attacked the wall, the marines behind where still experiencing the shock wave, just not as much. So think of the walls like shock absorbers.
Anyways if anyone here actually thought that WB was able to destroy all matter on earth then you will be disappointed.
The guy can cause tsunami, earth quake and tilt the ground, that is crazy (if you look at the comments he gets, that is as extreme as OP gets).
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Did anyone think it was weird/stupid that WB who can destroy the world couldn't destroy a wall, is there some reasoning behind this like maybe it was made of the same material as the Poneglyphs that are said to be indestructible or are we just supposed to be fine with the fact he can destroy the world but not a wall?
It was made perfectly clear by Fossa that it wasn't an ordinary metal wall. It was obviously intentionally designed to counter abilities as destructive as WB's. Its not Poneglyph material but more likely what Pacifista's are made out of or some other material developed by Vegapunk.
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It was made perfectly clear by Fossa that it wasn't an ordinary metal wall. It was obviously intentionally designed to counter abilities as destructive as WB's. Its not Poneglyph material but more likely what Pacifista's are made out of or some other material developed by Vegapunk.
Or it was made out of haki.
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so he couldn't destroy a wall? I mean the guy still had awesome strength he split the damn Island apart
well that's you assuming things and not listening to what the author is having an experienced intelligent individual say in his manga, basically your going against what the author told you
yes but will there be an explanation as to why or should we just take it a face value that this wall is to strong for him
that's my main concern will we just be left with this the wall is strong or will they elaborate on it, maybe it's a vegapunk invention or something who knows… anythings better than it's just a super wall
Aaah I get it!
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It was made perfectly clear by Fossa that it wasn't an ordinary metal wall. It was obviously intentionally designed to counter abilities as destructive as WB's. Its not Poneglyph material but more likely what Pacifista's are made out of or some other material developed by Vegapunk.
but it leaves to much to be assumed is all I'm saying, I just think they could have done a better job
Aaah I get it!
It's a mystery wall!Exactly.
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No grasshopper no time to sip tea, get back to work
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Oda wouldn't have sengoku scream that at the end of the chapter as a cliff hanger just because he was exaggerating, that's not how it works
Could just as easily mean destroy all of mankind, in the context. It wouldn't even be much of a push to take it as 'destroy the world that the WG have created'. You're just finding things to complain about imo
Ever watched One Piece on acid? it's pretty sweet.
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Could just as easily mean destroy all of mankind, in the context. It wouldn't even be much of a push to take it as 'destroy the world that the WG have created'. You're just finding things to complain about imo
Cause he doesn't say that, he says he has the power to destroy the world, not wipe out humanity and certainly didn't mean like that bolded section implies idk where you got that shit from, look at the context of how it's used
why would the author write it, if it's not what he meant? and it's a childrens manga he's not make it some obscure reference like destroying the WG or wiping out humanity
the main reason why people don't want to believe it is because no one wants it to get to DBZ levels
EDIT: has the power to destroy the very world… very is a big key there guys
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-552/page016.html
