Maybe, One Piece fans whine a bit too much.
Imagine if it had turned out like if naruto was more popular in Japan.
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This shit is awesome, my One Piece needs this.
Maybe, One Piece fans whine a bit too much.
Imagine if it had turned out like if naruto was more popular in Japan.
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This shit is awesome, my One Piece needs this.
Maybe, One Piece fans whine a bit too much.
Imagine if it had turned out like if naruto was more popular in Japan.
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Say what you will about that episode, at least it was fluid. I'd much rather see that than some stills.
SGRaaize explained very well why this episode wasn't that good.
I totally agree, glad I'm not the only one who felt this episode was lack luster. The buggy joke and hancock dream things I personally like since they fit the characters. Buggy basically is a joke and not to lose face to his gang he made getting hit with his own bomb look like a comedy act. makes sense. Boa Hancock day dreaming about luffy being her husband, good as well.
Hawkeyes attacks seemed like too much added to them compared to the manga.
The episode really ruined the main spot light Hawkeye had in the war and made him look weak imo. Jimbei popping out the water? wtf he looked like a damn Prairie dog.
i think mihawk was awesome in this episode,i enjoyed it
Buggy's joke completely caught me off guard and it made me laugh a good deal. It was so corny and so out of place that it felt right on.
I do agree with some people about how they lacked on the focus of Mihawk's accuracy. That what one of the cool things I liked about the scene. It showed how he just doesn't have sheer power but cutting the ice wave but he also has finesse and pin point aim. That is what makes him scary.
And yes is does look like Doflamingo gave Mihawk jumping lessons.
@Sven:
Say what you will about that episode, at least it was fluid. I'd much rather see that than some stills.
Yeah, that's why Tate should be OP permanent AD! :wub:
Yeah, that's why Tate should be OP permanent AD! :wub:
I think it works better when used on certain episodes to highlight a really important fight or something that needs that level of fluidity.
I can imagine the cost of that animation style being pretty high. So worth it though.
When I imagined this episode in my head (as I read the chapter), I was imagining a slow-mo where Luffy is jetting through the place, looking at Ace, and Mihawk, watching with his hawk-eye, picking the Sword and slashing with precision, then we'd see bullet-time slash passing right below someone's arm, someone's sword, above someone's head, and then right in the torso of Luffy
That would have been, ironically, less harder to animate and longer than what they put it here, and it would have been 1000% more awesome
What happened to Mihawk's original voice actor? This new voice is too generic… :(
Though I know the guy was pretty old... he already was when he voiced Tenchi's grandpa at Tenchi Muyo. Hope he didn't pass away. :(
@The:
What happened to Mihawk's original voice actor? This new voice is too generic… :(
Though I know the guy was pretty old... he already was when he voiced Tenchi's grandpa at Tenchi Muyo. Hope he didn't pass away. :(
Old news, but this should explain:
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28225
Yeah didn't see that at the time. That's so sad. :(
Thanks, Meta!
@The:
Yeah didn't see that at the time. That's so sad. :(
Thanks, Meta!
No problem. ;)
When I first read 561 I was really looking forward to how it would be animated. I will say, however, that this green aura blast that Hawkeye seems to like doesn't help his badassity to me at all. That's not being a swordsman, its being a damn sayain.
I agree with SGRaaize. This episode was dragged on and cheaply animated. Bleh.
This episode was basically meh to me. The major complaint from me is that you shouldn't animate Mihawk's slashes with what appears to be giant green laserbeams. It should've looked like he was cutting the air, or it should've just shown the result of him swinging his sword by cutting up the ice and such.
Decent episode. Great ending. Liked the bit when Vista intervened. I like him & his design…very kool.
I loved everything except for the hancock cooking for luffy that just annoyed me
but yeah mihawk vs vista was nice to I like good sword fights, fast paced lots of clashing and dodging, it was a good fight (even if it was short)
So I guess this episode proves that Mihawks sword has the shoop da whoop devil fruit :)
I don't feel that the animation was that bad… it was the directing. Too many up close shots and akward mishandling of the character moves and events. In the part where everyone was cheering Luffy on, Jinbei peeking out of the ice just looked ridiculous.
Jimbei peaking out of the ice was the best thing that happened in the entire episode.
When I imagined this episode in my head (as I read the chapter), I was imagining a slow-mo where Luffy is jetting through the place, looking at Ace, and Mihawk, watching with his hawk-eye, picking the Sword and slashing with precision, then we'd see bullet-time slash passing right below someone's arm, someone's sword, above someone's head, and then right in the torso of Luffy
That would have been, ironically, less harder to animate and longer than what they put it here, and it would have been 1000% more awesome
My thoughts exactly.
Mihawk is supposed to be incredibly precise, he is not the flashy type. What Mihawk did in the Manga was the equivalent of Ryo Saeba in "City Hunter".
Skipt at 7:10. I was expecting the episode to do the same awesome shit.
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This one is pretty awesome as well.
Skip at 10:11
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ahah isn't it a little bit unfair to compare mihawk with ryou saeba? and in general, one piece (the anime) with cityhunter?
Well, I would have preferred an animation director who's higher on the food chain to do this episode, but I think this was pretty passable. I did like the filler with Buggy explaining what his plan was, and I did get a laugh out of Jimbei poking his head out of the water towards the end. Oh, and the group shot of all of Luffy's allies was good too.
However, these filler Hancock fantasies have absolutely no sense of irony. Though thinking on it, that kinda goes for Oda too.
Rofl, so did I. xP
Fairly nice episode overall, though…once again, still could've been a lot better, as well as all the other episodes that I've seen since starting this arc..:/
Pretty decent episode. Some odd things, but I overall liked it.
Still, I'm not sure I get some of these complaints.
The sword laser beams? Toei's been doing that since Skypiea. Hell, the Zoro vs. Kaku fight was a MUCH worse offender of this, imo.
Luffy running at normal speed in Gear 2nd? Well…yeah, it's a mistake, but I don't recall anybody pointing this out when they did it in Sabondy (go check).
I hardly even noticed the Jimbei poking his head out of the water scene. I guess it looks goofy, but I hardly noticed it.
The Mihawk precision thing could have been handled better, but eh. His actual attacks were still pretty cool, throwing those huge slashes around like nothing. As pointed out before, the iceberg-cutting scene was awesome.
Buggy's joke was oddly placed, and Hancock's fantasies will always bug me on some level, though this one was particularly annoying, since we just had a really lengthy one last episode.
Pasifistas arriving was cool, as was the brief Mihawk vs. Vista fight.
Mihawk vs. Jimbei was….odd, though not bad. The scene with the cannonballs before it was actually kind of cool, though still odd.
Animation wasn't anything special, though some moments were pretty decent.
Overall, I liked it.
Toei
You can do whatever you want with the freaking Hancock fillers
You can do whatever you want with the freaking Buggy fillers
You can waste half of the episode on funny stuffOn one freaking condition:
MAKE THE CANON STUFF ACTUALLY WELL ANIMATED AND PACEDSeriously, every moment of Mihawk looked like shit, I dunno what you guys are talking about when you say it was cool
So many complains out of my head, and yes, they are nitpicks, but together, they form a big freaking complaint
- Luffy Gear Second is supposed to go Jet-Speed, either put a Slow-Mo effect or that Teleport Effect from DBZ, don't freaking put him running normally as if he wasn't Gear Second
I'm definitely going to have to agree here, things like this are really degrading the Gear second Form. Remember how you felt when Luffy first used Gear Second and was nearly untouchable to Blueno? Remember how fast he was? It was almost like he was a complete blur. THAT is how gear second should be, epic. Now compare and contrast that with Luffy running about 10mph in this episode, doesn't quite match up does it? It's really starting to make gear second look like it isn't much of an upgrade. Smoker vs Luffy was done great, but this whole thing with Mihawk; pathetic.
Vista is just plain badass
I HATE how they have animated mihawks slash's, its a fucking slash toei, a slash not a lazer beam
I'm definitely going to have to agree here, things like this are really degrading the Gear second Form. Remember how you felt when Luffy first used Gear Second and was nearly untouchable to Blueno? Remember how fast he was? It was almost like he was a complete blur. THAT is how gear second should be, epic. Now compare and contrast that with Luffy running about 10mph in this episode, doesn't quite match up does it? It's really starting to make gear second look like it isn't much of an upgrade. Smoker vs Luffy was done great, but this whole thing with Mihawk; pathetic.
I would just like to point out as far as the speed goes I believe Luffy moves slower after Mihawk focuses his eyes on him. To me that may just imply that his vision is wound up enough to track Luffy at his Jet speed.
I won't have access to the episode again for a bit so would someone mind checking?
I would just like to point out as far as the speed goes I believe Luffy moves slower after Mihawk focuses his eyes on him. To me that may just imply that his vision is wound up enough to track Luffy at his Jet speed.
I won't have access to the episode again for a bit so would someone mind checking?
I'm not disagreeing with that but that can't be the case because there were a multitude of different points of view it was clearly showing; Ivan's point of view, smokers point of view, hancocks, random marine soldiers, etc. Aside from that though the entire gear second sequence in my opinion was just pathetic, maybe I'm being nit picky here, but the fight with Blueno and Lucci set my standard for what gear second should look like and the mihawk sequence definitely did NOT meet it. I'm not asking for him to kick Mihawks ass obviously, but hell, I could move at the speed Luffy was for the majority of that fight, they just need to keep the gear second sequences on par with Blueno, Lucci, and some of the Impel Down stuff IMO.
While I'm complaining about this I might as well throw this out there as well, does anyone else feel like gear second is starting to be utilized so much to the point where you feel like Luffy is weak compared with anyone other than a typical marine soldier, and can't really do much without using gear second? It would be nice to feel like luffy can kick some serious ass in his normal form but when gear second happens then he REALLY tunes up the fighting abilities.
i really disliked this episode.
the hancock filler is really annoying.
I felt like they built Mihawk up to be extremely tough and just completely tossed that out with how they played this fight out.
would have been funny if bon was there and took the shape of that sumo dude controling them and got them to attack the marines instead
The thing that has been bugging me ever since this war started: this is a gigantic war that could change the fate of the world, and yet all we see is 5-6 random pirates/marines fodder standing in the background adding a few comments here and there….
Maybe, One Piece fans whine a bit too much.
Imagine if it had turned out like if naruto was more popular in Japan.
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It would be kinda cool if One Piece was animated like this or maybe just have Luffy animated like this. Fits the manga's wacky cartoony art style. I understand how it doesn't fit Naruto though because Naruto has generic, stiff looking anime art especially shippuden.
Passable episode, laser beams didn't bother me much. Hate boa and her stupid filler.
Mihawk is firing his laser!
Hmm, this episode was strange. It had so many bad and good parts mixed, Hancock fillers are terrible, but the ending made me wait for the next episode.
Now we can just expect that scene to be good.
How Dare they makes jimbei look weaker than Mihawk ? (though he is)
Weird, when Mihawk throws lasers out of his sword in the manga i don't see anyone complaining.
Weird, when Mihawk throws lasers out of his sword in the manga i don't see anyone complaining.
LOL
We are complaining because most of the scenes of this fight were supposed to show Mihawk's precision and attention, not his pure destruction, that was for the scene where he slashed the Ice or when he tried to attack Whitebeard (the panel you show)
Besides, that's not a green laser, as far as I can see
We are complaining because most of the scenes of this fight were supposed to show Mihawk's precision and attention, not his pure destruction, that was for the scene where he slashed the Ice or when he tried to attack Whitebeard (the panel you show)
And that's your interpretation. I understand it, but it's not like the anime made up that kind of slash. Not to mention how "cutting the wind" doesn't look as impressive with animation, and that's probably why they did it.
Besides, that's not a green laser, as far as I can see
LOL, sure it isn't. and the sky is white in the manga, did you notice? Damn you anime for ruining my sky with blue.
And that's YOUR interpretation.
Erm… Are you kidding me?
No, you must be kidding me
I'm sorry, but these two pages have only one interpretation, GOTY:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page003.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page004.html
I understand it, but it's not like the anime made up that kind of slash. Not to mention how "cutting the wind" doesn't look as impressive with animation, and that's probably why they did it.
Erm, yes it does, in fact, Toei did a pretty fine job when Joz was seen redirecting the huge slash into a small but pretty destructive slash
And even if Toei couldn't do an excellent job at doing a small precise slash, are you really gonna tell me seeing Luffy BOUNCE OFF a COLOSSAL CUTTING SLASH is more impressive?
I've seen you defending the Anime before in some parts it doesn't deserve being defended, you did pretty well
But in this case, it is unarguable
LOL, sure it isn't. and the sky is white in the manga, did you notice?
My point is that people are calling it a huge lightsaber not because it is a huge destructive wave of cutting, but because it is green
And even if Toei couldn't do an excellent job at doing a small precise slash, are you really gonna tell me seeing Luffy BOUNCE OFF a COLOSSAL CUTTING SLASH is more impressive?
You're saying this is "small"? Sure it looks smaller than in the anime, but the pondo-hou style slash is clearly there.
My point is that people are calling it a huge lightsaber not because it is a huge destructive wave of cutting, but because it is green
Can you say that shouldn't be green based in a b/w manga? Really? That makes no sense, unless Oda told you so. I'd rather think that Toei would know better.
Heck, we've seen Oda changing color schemes to match the anime.
The thing is, with manga people can always picture most of the scenes in a personal way, and if anime does it even slightly differently, it's easy to get annoyed.
What's your point?
So your main complaint now is about the green, apparently, and just because you never pictured it with such color, since there's no way to say it's plain wrong. We're good.
lol
You're saying this is "small"? Sure it looks smaller than in the anime, but the pondo-hou style slash is clearly there.
What did you mean with the above quote?
Especially considering you didn't deny everything I said here aside from a small pointless detail:
Erm, yes it does, in fact, Toei did a pretty fine job when Joz was seen redirecting the huge slash into a small but pretty destructive slash
And even if Toei couldn't do an excellent job at doing a small precise slash, are you really gonna tell me seeing Luffy BOUNCE OFF a COLOSSAL CUTTING SLASH is more impressive?
I've seen you defending the Anime before in some parts it doesn't deserve being defended, you did pretty well
But in this case, it is unarguable
Anyways, my answer, even though I have no idea what you mean to disprove or argue with that:
Its far smaller than a huge wave like destructive slash, and the Anime already made a slash of that size (or close to that size) very well and look very destructive (when Joz deflected it)
So, again… What's your point?
So your main complaint now is about the green, apparently, and just because you never pictured it with such color, since there's no way to say it's plain wrong. We're good.
One more thing:
LOL
We are complaining because most of the scenes of this fight were supposed to show Mihawk's precision and attention, not his pure destruction, that was for the scene where he slashed the Ice or when he tried to attack Whitebeard (the panel you show)Besides, that's not a green laser, as far as I can see
Since when is the small part below the bulk of the post the "main complaint"?
Since tonight's a Deguchi episode, this is just a warm-up for all the BAWWing that's to come, isn't it?
I'd just like to make a comment about Mihawk's new voice. I liked his performance in this episode moreso than the previous ones because his speech was less stilted. Before it sounded…as if the seiyuu was trying...to insert...too many dramatic...pauses.
What did you mean with the above quote?
Especially considering you didn't deny everything I said here aside from a small pointless detail:
I've been saying since the beginning that maybe the anime overdid it, but certainly not as much as you're trying to prove.
The vast majority of the criticism i've read here was regarding the "lol lasers" when he does pretty much the same in the manga. No big deal.
I just think it's a bit late to complain about that, since Pondo-hou, Rankyaku, anyway, every kind of long ranged slash thing does look like a "laser" in the anime.
One more thing:
since when is the small part below the bulk of the post the "main complaint"?
Sorry, pointing a manga pic while saying it "doesn't look green" automatically makes the whole point kind of amusing and hard to take it seriously.
Not to mention how you kept bringing up the "green".
I've seen you defending the Anime before in some parts it doesn't deserve being defended, you did pretty well
But in this case, it is unarguable
When i think it actually deserves, i do criticize the anime many times (and the manga, which's almost a taboo here). Just check this very thread and you'll see how i don't sympathize with this animation director, to say the least.
It's just that.. i feel that lots of anime viewers sound like spoiled brats sometimes. This adaptation is better than they deserve.
I've been saying since the beginning that maybe the anime overdid it, but certainly not as much as you're trying to prove.
The vast majority of the criticism i've read here was regarding the "lol lasers" when he does pretty much the same in the manga. No big deal.
I just think it's a bit late to complain about that, since Pondo-hou, Rankyaku, anyway, every kind of long ranged slash thing does look like a "laser" in the anime.Sorry, pointing a manga pic while saying it "doesn't look green" automatically makes the whole point kind of amusing and hard to take it seriously.
Not to mention how you kept bringing up the "green".
When i think it actually deserves, i do criticize the anime many times (and the manga, which's almost a taboo here). Just check this very thread and you'll see how i don't sympathize with this animation director, to say the least.
It's just that.. i feel that lots of anime viewers sound like spoiled brats sometimes. This adaptation is better than they deserve.
Alright, you're right on the laser part
You're wrong when you say this part has various interpretations and when you say that it couldn't have been handled as well if it followed the Manga on the simple "Precision, not pure destruction" premise
The anime didn't show anyone else getting hit by that attack, did they?
The anime didn't show anyone else getting hit by that attack, did they?
Yeah. Unlike the huge attack that Jozu stopped and was slashing everyone in the way.