it might not be boring their might be a very awsome story behind why they didnt want him to escape so they burned the mother f'er down
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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I always assumed that the Sunny Pirates broke into several factions because of infighting, and part of that was motivated by Jimbei becoming a Shichibukai. [..] The final straw happens when Jimbei accepts the Shichibukai offer. Jimbei, like the government, thinks this is a good opportunity to strengthen the relations between the races. His crew, however, feels betrayed because he's now a "dog" working for the same government that killed Fisher Tiger; The crew disbands into several factions.
I've always considered that an option, but I think the alternative has more merit. There is very little information about Jinbei and the Sunny pirates, but the four primary pieces of information we have suggest it was some form of disbandment, and all of it together suggests it wasn't just a split.
[hide]1. Chapter 69: In exchange for Jinbei's participation (snip), he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue. – Could go both ways, but the simplest explanation is that a condition for Jinbei was that he disband his crew. Either option would make sense, however.
2. Chapter 549: Croc states that Jinbei's unusual for a Fishman. Obvious, but considering the WG's goal for making him a Warlord, it strengthens what Chapter 69 suggests.
3. Chapter 549: Jinbei feels responsible for the incident with Arlong. While them disagreeing and splitting could cause regret and feelings of responsibility for what led to the split, I think it's more likely he would feel regret for something caused directly and 100% by his hands.
4. Chapter 594: Confirmation that the WG invited him specifically so that they could bridge the gap between races.[/hide]@Deicide:
However, he alone can't do it, and things were worse than ever, then Whitebeard came along and declared the island his territory. Whitebeard's name and power silenced the dissident factions and created peace
You have your times mixed up. Fisher Tiger's incident was 13 years ago, while Jinbei's statement in Impel Down suggests Whitebeard claimed Fishman Island around 22 years ago. In addition to this, Jinbei became a warlord eight years ago, and during Nami's flashback (eight years ago), one of the villagers said, "Then… the rumor that the Fishman Pirate Crew from the Grand Line had split into pieces... was true after all...!!!" (CH. 77)
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I've always considered that an option, but I think the alternative has more merit. There is very little information about Jinbei and the Sunny pirates, but the four primary pieces of information we have suggest it was some form of disbandment, and all of it together suggests it wasn't just a split.
The thing that makes me think it was a split, and not just because the Government ordered it, is that the factions we have seen of former Sunny Pirates are very different.
We have Jimbei, who's honorbound and seems to have no prejudices.
We have Arlong, who's a supremacist and don't mind enslaving humans so long as they serve fishmen.
We have Makro, who's entered the slave trade and pretty much is doing something that is contrary to what Tiger stood for.
And we have Tiger himself, who we know little beyond that he hated humans and freed the slaves from Marijois.
You have your times mixed up. Fisher Tiger's incident was 13 years ago, while Jinbei's statement in Impel Down suggests Whitebeard claimed Fishman Island around 22 years ago. In addition to this, Jinbei became a warlord eight years ago, and during Nami's flashback (eight years ago), one of the villagers said, "Then… the rumor that the Fishman Pirate Crew from the Grand Line had split into pieces... was true after all...!!!" (CH. 77)
No, I don't, I'm just formulating a possible scenario (not even a prediction).
We don't know when Whitebeard claimed the island. It could be 22 years ago, after Roger's death, or it could be a few years ago, after Jinbei got his title. All we know is that the big influx of pirates began with Roger's death, and Whitebeard came "just as we were losing hope".
We also don't know how long Tiger lived after the Marijois event, nor do we know when exactly Jimbei became Shichibukai (it was at least eight years ago, but nowhere it is said that Arlong going to East Blue and Jinbei becaming a Warlord happened in the same year).
What we know is:
13y ago: Tiger free the slaves and forms the Pirates of the Sun.
Somewhere between 13 and 8y ago: Jimbei becomes a Warlord.
8y ago: Arlong arrives in Nami's island in East Blue.
All other dates are a mystery.
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Fisher Tiger is going to be all kinds of badass.
I mean, the Adventurer climbed the Red Line by hand and burned the capital city to the ground. Seeing that flashback will be a treat.
I really want to see what Oda does with all the racial/ethnic strife thematics.
It's funny that he claims he doesn't actively try to make messages like these even though they are dotted throughout the series.
Maybe that's why his are so good though, because he isn't actively trying to push an agenda. These issues and themes just naturally appear on their own.
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The thing that makes me think it was a split, is that the factions we have seen of former Sunny Pirates are very different.
They aren't really different, they just have some differences. The single major difference is between Jinbei and everyone else. They all hate or at least don't care for humans, while Jinbei is noted as an exception, and does not hate humans. You don't usually make a symbol of peace out of a group of mixed feelings, you take the shining example and glorify it: Jinbei. I doubt the World Government was oblivious to attitudes like Arlong's or Fisher Tiger's. The death of Fisher Tiger would allow an ideal opportunity for the World Government, but it would require the crew to split to avoid any unnecessary complications.
We <don't>know when exactly Jimbei became a Warlord. All other dates are a mystery.</don't>
[hide]Why would Whitebeard, who was the strongest man in the world, arbitrarily decide to claim Fishman Island… let's say 8 years after Roger's death? If he really cared about the place and it wasn't a spur of the moment decision, which knowing his character it wasn't, why would he wait so long to provide support?
Why would the World Government try to fix the relationship between humans and fishmen by using a group of human-hating pirates, just because the captain happens to be a little different than his crew when it comes to the topic?[/hide]
You're right, my mistake. Still, what you suggest seems much more unlikely and has little to defend itself outside of a lack of information. What you are suggesting, more or less, is that there was some power struggle for 10+ years at Fishman Island, rather than some immediate threat like the dialog suggests. In addition to this, you suggest Tiger dies and there is yet another power struggle of 1~5 years between Jinbei and the crew below him. The dialog, as well as basic reasoning, suggests things happened back-to-back, but you choose to believe an alternate theory that over-complicates matters and has little to no grounds to base itself. Examples are hidden above.
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And here I thought I was the only one thinking that we'll eventually get a Fisher Tiger flashback Norland-style.
Sometimes, you guys make me proud.
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We're gonna hit fishman island, been teased for it like forever, been teased with the sun tattoos every fishmen seemed to have since forever, been teased with the name of a legendary dead fishman pirate since foreve.. since Al, been teased with ….
AND WE WOULDN'T WANT A FISHER TIGER FLASHBACK.. That's crazy!
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I've been saying this since Hancock's revelation & flashback, but Tiger has to be one incredible badass.
From what we know of his feat, I can only imagine him in the same level of godly legend as Roger, Whitebeard, and Rayleigh.I SO wouldn't mind a long flashback for Tiger. Like, equally long as Norland the Liar.
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I would expect we'd get a flashback between Fisher Tiger, Jinbei, and Arlong at some point.
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My intuition tells me that Fisher Tiger is going to be the most badass fishman Oda ever creates.
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Not if the mermaid princess can help it.
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Haters gonna hate. :silly:
You just used a lame meme. Credibility: -1.
I thought you were cool Rene. You can't join our Army now.Not if the mermaid princess can help it.
How is she related to Tiger's badassness? Or were you referring to HiroVoid's post? Either way, I think a flashback involved with both her and Fisher Tiger is totally possible.
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I think that boa hancock joining the straw hats would be a great reason for her to be with luffy.
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@Sea:
You just used a lame meme. Credibility: -1.
I thought you were cool Rene. You can't join the RA now.How is she related to Tiger's badassness? Or are you referring to HiroVoid's post? Either way, I think a flashback involved with both her and Tiger is totally possible.
RA? whatever it is, I'm not interested in joining.
YOu know, JERK DISEASE had the same reaction when he saw I voted for Perona before…LOL It sure is working. :silly:
It is just a random reply to your statement. I thought it was funny if the mermaid princess is not very royal like and was more of on the badass side of things. You know, stereotype thug like...but still HOT who happens to order Fisher Tiger around like some minion.
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RA? whatever it is, I'm not interested in joining.
I thought every OP can can interpret RA as Dragon's organization. It stand for Revolution Army of course. My sig.
YOu know, JERK DISEASE had the same reaction when he saw I voted for Perona before…LOL It sure is working. :silly:
Is that so? Not surprised much.
@Renegadesoul:It is just a random reply to your statement. I thought it was funny if the mermaid princess is not very royal like and was more of on the badass side of things. You know, stereotype thug like…but still HOT who happens to order Fisher Tiger around like some minion.
Very unlikely. But you can dream.
Like Perona joining.As far as personal taste goes, there is nothing wrong with liking Perona, or dream of her joining, however, apply that logic to predict the manga is totally horrible.
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I think that boa hancock joining the straw hats would be a great reason for her to be with luffy.
I highly, highly, highly doubt it will happen, my friend.
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@Sea:
I thought every OP can can interpret RA as Dragon's organization. It stand for Revolution Army of course. My sig.
Is that so? Not surprised much.
Very unlikely. But you can dream.
Like Perona joining.As far as personal taste goes, there is nothing wrong with liking Perona, or dream of her joining, however, apply that logic to predict the manga is totally horrible.
I wanted Jinbei and Hancock to join too, I never thought they would.OH… so that's what those names are for. Lol Haven't really paid much attention to the sig title. XD
It's not of personal taste, its for FUN and Deliberate distraction.
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It's not of personal taste, its for FUN and Deliberate distraction.
I see. You are invited to join.
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http://www.apforums.net/search.php?searchid=3000486
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@JERK:
"Sorry-no match. Try different terms."
All I can see in the link.
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Before I start anything: Why are Sparkly and Gerbil mentioned in the top of the page? Really now.
Personally, I'd be a little disappointed if the newest crewmember would be from Fishman Island. I have nothing against fish. It just seems a little rushed to me.
Now you may wonder: Rushed? Are you joking?! It's been TWO years since their last member!
Ah, but what I mean by rushed is that the crew would have just gotten back together. They would probably stay as they are for a while. Maybe after they enter the New World, they'll get a new member. But I'd rather not see that after the two year skip. I won't throw a fit, that's for sure, but I'll be a tad disappointed.
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The only person I would even consider as a possible candidate at this point is Bonney.
We have yet to know more of her background with the World Government, but Oda has stayed with the same formula of Luffy helping out future members, so whatever it turns out to be, at the very least she might become an important ally like Boa or Jimbei.
And on a less serious note, another thing that Oda will probably stick with is the family theme of the crew. If Bonney turns out to be older than she normally looks like, she would be perfect to fill the spot of Grandma.
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@White:
The only person I would even consider as a possible candidate at this point is Bonney.
We have yet to know more of her background with the World Government, but Oda has stayed with the same formula of Luffy helping out future members, so whatever it turns out to be, at the very least she might become an important ally like Boa or Jimbei.
And on a less serious note, another thing that Oda will probably stick with is the family theme of the crew. If Bonney turns out to be older than she normally looks like, she would be perfect to fill the spot of Grandma.
She'd most likely be an ally than a member. She is a captain of a crew. That is if all of her crew members aren't eliminated. If that happens, then I can see her joining the Strawhats.
Haha, that would be funny. Bonney as a Grandma.
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I doubt Bonney will join, But she will probably play an interesting role, seeing her connection with the WG and WB/Ace.
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it wouldnt be rushed if the said fishman or mer whatever bonded with the crew during the arc
it wasnt rushed that usopp joined when they knew him for two days but they bonded in the battle
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@Chopper:
it wouldnt be rushed if the said fishman or mer whatever bonded with the crew during the arc
it wasnt rushed that usopp joined when they knew him for two days but they bonded in the battle
Yes, but don't forget that was at the start of the manga. The crew would be lacking if they went on to the Grand Line with just three or two members. (I'm going to imagine Sanji didn't join)
However, it would make sense for a fishman to join after bonding in a battle. But, like I said, I'd be a bit disappointed.
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@Low:
I have nothing against fish.
You are one big fat fucking racist. Aren't ya?
Ps: little question: When the gorusei geezers where talking about Jinbei, did they say they wanted him as a symbol for the reconciliation of "all" races, or was it just for the fishman-human relationship?
I am curious to see if all the races that were on Duval's sheet are gonna get an attention of some sort.
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@Sea:
I doubt Bonney will join, But she will probably play an interesting role, seeing her connection with the WG and WB.
Yeah, I forgot about this. With an ability that possibly allows her (and others) to basically live forever, I don't think is ridiculous to think that she met White Beard at some point.
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Why do people consider Bonney but not any of the other Nova's?
looks at Bonney
Yeah Bonney for next Crew member if Hancock or Perona won't join.
Jimbei who?
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Ps: little question: When the gorusei geezers where talking about Jinbei, did they say they wanted him as a symbol for the reconciliation of "all" races, or was it just for the fishman-human relationship?
Just Fishman-Human relationship. Seeing as we have yet to see a fishman as member of the marines, we can assume that Giants never went through the hardships of the Fishman, who were persecuted and considered as mere fish.
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You are one big fat fucking racist. Aren't ya?
Damn. And here I thought I was hiding it so well.
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Why do people consider Bonney but not any of the other Nova's?
She has boobs and has some history with the WG. The latter is secretly less important to her support than the former. Incidentally, the latter is also very weak reasoning at this point.
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@White:
Just Fishman-Human relationship. Seeing as we have yet to see a fishman as member of the marines, we can assume that Giants never went through the hardships of the Fishman, who were persecuted and considered as mere fish.
I figure giants are kinda hard to persecute.
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I figure giants are kinda hard to persecute.
You worthless mountain of flesh! is stepped on
Yup it goes over real well.
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Well Elbalf is probably in the New World anyway, and that's pretty much a lawless zone as it is.
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Brennen:
The fact that jinbei is part of the sunny pirates would suggest he was a hero or perhaps a symbol for justice in the eyes of the fishmen. Chances are the islands full of ex slaves as well as their descendants which would be good for anyone affiliated to fisher tiger.
Also I'd expect the fishmen to be honour bound to protecting the area now that whitebeards gone. Plus I find it hard to believe that the community wouldn't know exactly what's going on regardless of the size of the hole, mainly due to their ability to communicate with other marine life, and at great distances as seen with jinbei and the whales at impel down.
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I figure giants are kinda hard to persecute.
You worthless mountain of flesh! is stepped on
Yup it goes over real well.
I now want to see an island where giants are oppressed by little people.
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Going off some facts stated after freeing all those slaves and burning down the holy land Fisher Tiger formed the Sunny pirates and within 5 years gave up the title to Jinbei. Then they broke up.
If Fisher did hate humans, given Jinbei's personality, relations with humans, and debt to WB and friendship with the WB pirates I could see how the pirate crew fell under his command when you got guys like Arlong in it. Sorta like the Black Panthers.
Hope Fisher got that Malcolm X mentality.
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@Sea:
I doubt Bonney will join, But she will probably play an interesting role, seeing her connection with the WG and WB/Ace.
http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1850330&postcount=761
The chances for Bonney to join are even weaker if this information is true.
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http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1850330&postcount=761
The chances for Bonney to join are even weaker if this information is true.
i still hold out hope and will still driving the bonney for nakama bandwagon! bonney may of been planned since it looks like she will be playing a role later on in the story but maybe oda decided to make her one of the supernovas along with the others.
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Bonney is no more important than Law to the plot.
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Broken devil fruit girl wont join, I dont mind a female Luffy but not her… her and Bege are the most bland of all the supernovas and boring i dont know how someone could want her to join...and you guys are bashing Perona fans lol, thats even more ridiculous, I hope ridiculous Perona-esque theories dont start poping out of nowhere.
It awesome how some people regard a character impossible but due to being fan of another, consider it.
Well I want to give my list then:
Garp
Smoker
Mr.2
Papugg
Gaimon
Kaku
Arlong
etcI like this characters I think they should join because I like them.
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http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1850330&postcount=761
The chances for Bonney to join are even weaker if this information is true.
! Kawashima: During the W7 arc, after they parted with Merry, I was assigned to One Piece from the chapter where Garp shows up.
That chapter happened to be ranked number 1 in the weekly poll with a massive margin over other manga, and that's when I realized how awesome this series was.
Oonishi: I started from the chapter where Kid, Law, and other Supernova Rookies showed up. But they weren't originally planned.
Watanabe: What!? Really!?
Oonishi: It was already decided that the crew will be separated at SA, but we figured that may not be enough to spice things up.
That's when Mr Oda said "Would it be more interesting if bunch of new characters showed up?"
Then 3 hours after that, he not only finished the designs of all of them, but had the fixed name ("name" is manga term for rough draft of the chapter) with all of them already drawn in.
! I don't think they are assistants, sounds more like editors.
It'll be cleared up when Q-san posts more I guess.Wow, this is very interesting! Oda created them on the spot?!? Awesome!
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@JERK:
In the trash where it belongs.
Just at your signature.. Sabo isn't alive.. IS HE? :blink:
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Just at your signature.. Sabo isn't alive.. IS HE? :blink:
It isn't known yet there was what I believe to be a hint of his survival on a cover of a chapter but that is the only real clue we have.
Wow, this is very interesting! Oda created them on the spot?!? Awesome!
That is the mighty power of Oda, intimidating isn't it?
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Learning to interpret the hints oda gives saves a lot of trouble making speculations.
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It isn't known yet there was what I believe to be a hint of his survival on a cover of a chapter but that is the only real clue we have.
You should read the flashback again, because we have more hints than that.