I can't wait for Moria's cover story.
If that happens I will eat my hat …. which isn't that bad since it is only a small quantity of salt.
I can't wait for Moria's cover story.
If that happens I will eat my hat …. which isn't that bad since it is only a small quantity of salt.
I kind of wondered, howcome Moria was cornered so easily. Couldn't he have warped away with his shadow as a stand in.
He didn't flee because he wanted to know who wanted to kill him. Now that Doflamingo told him, he decided to flee and to prepare for his revenge…
More seriously, if he fled, we would never know Doflamingo was working for someone in the World Government.
I just got out of hospital after a month and a half. Since I'm still pretty fragile I don't wanna do anything yet but people keep calling me to hang out and shit. Since I'm just as lively as always they think I'm healthy enough for my usual antics.
So what I do to solve this problem is pretend to be Gekko Moria. I do his laugh and say the crazy shit he says. Basically when people call up, Moria answers, and tells them I'm dead and now his zombie. Even if they don't know who the fuck Moria is. I just reply as Moria would.
i just wish moria is dead, enough with his kishishsi.
I just want Moria to be one or the other so the "Moria is Alive" supporters will stop being annoying x.x
I just want Moria to be one or the other so the "Moria is Alive" supporters will stop being annoying x.x
There's only one reason for Moria to actually live and that reason is just to provide a closure of some sorts for Perona, Absolam, and Hogback.
Other than that, there's no real need for him to come back in the story prior to the "war against the WG" where his actual significance would be more than needed by then. Prior to it, there's only the need to reunite with his former crew and fade into nothingness…
However, the context of the whole thing only allows Moria to live by means of Doflamingo's actions. It is solely based on whether or not Doflamingo decided to lie to the World Government and spare Moria's live for some ulterior motive of his--whatever that may be.
Oda could play this sort of thing, even with his character, however, it's just something that would be used to build up Doflamingo's character and forcefully force the crew to eventually face him in a battle or something quite soon.
Personally, I hope Oda makes it simple and actually killed Moria. It's more than possible, and it's even become probable. Furthermore, just to brag, I was the one that stated Moria did die back in the day when that scene came up.
There's only one reason for Moria to actually live and that reason is just to provide a closure of some sorts for Perona, Absolam, and Hogback.
Actually this would be a viable point if not for
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And Perona being on Mihawk's island. So last we see is Moria alone and surrounded and his "loyal" crew is already getting covers representing their lives without him.
If Oda wanted us to suspect Moria alive I am sure the breadcrumbs would be there.
is that the Absolam and Hogback thing?
Yeah it is - it's them on the beach with no Moria close by.
Yeah it is - it's them on the beach with no Moria close by.
That's not a cover story! I can't believe there's still people misunderstanding this!!!
@Del:
That's not a cover story! I can't believe there's still people misunderstanding this!!!
AP never stops to amaze you^^
@Del:
That's not a cover story! I can't believe there's still people misunderstanding this!!!
Not using it as a Cover Story - nor believing it to be one.
Using it to Illustrate the fact that Moria is not part of the lives of his crew - it's like a Subliminal thing. There was nothing stopping Moria be included and nothing to suggest that those two had to be alone there. It's a random image - but a random image without their leader. I don't think the explination is easy to convay to the people here - you either understand what I am saying or it flys over your head.
The only thing I can think of is an ace up Doflamingo's sleeve; some nefarious purpose we're not privy to. Of course, that's all idle speculation, but it's the most obvious conclusion (assuming he is alive) - Moria didn't escape, he was spared by a man who cares nothing for his orders, only himself.
So you think the man that is know to hate the weak, and thinks only the strong should survive in the new age; spared Moria for some unknown reason.
Other than that, there's no real need for him to come back in the story prior to the "war against the WG" where his actual significance would be more than needed by then. Prior to it, there's only the need to reunite with his former crew and fade into nothingness…
However, the context of the whole thing only allows Moria to live by means of Doflamingo's actions. It is solely based on whether or not Doflamingo decided to lie to the World Government and spare Moria's live for some ulterior motive of his--whatever that may be.
Why would Doflamingo betray the WG? He appears to be associated with the higher ups, and they allow him to do what ever he wants(slave trade). Not to mention I don't see Moria going against the WG, he is a lazy sack of shit. His whole crew was defeated and himself yet he didn't get revenge, because he was too weak. So is Moria going to miraculously become stronger than he was in his prime?
Incredible. People are really still arguing about this? Moria's dead, stop overanalyzing it.
No reason for the Gorosei to let him live after he was cornered.
They would look like fools if they announced his death and didn't have proof.
I doubt Dofla would let him go after beating him to within an inch of his life. We KNOW Dofla isn't forgiving of weaklings (look at Belamy) it goes completely against everything we've seen about him for him to let Moria go. From what we have seen he things only the strong should survive, WG lets him do whatever he wants (slave trade), and he's the most loyal (from what we've seen) Shichibukai. And how is he going to let Moria go while surrounded by the PX-?? army?
We KNOW the KumaClone army wouldn't let them go because Kuma himself had to attack the cyborgs to stop them from wiping out the Strawhats. They're the most solid proof that Moria was not getting away.
Mihawk says "I don't know about whether he is dead or not, but he was alive on the battlefield," to respond to the claim that he was killed in battle, in the war. He's not saying "yeah, Moria is alive because we shook hands and smoked a few after Whitebeard went down." He's saying, "Maybe he's dead - I don't know - but the article is dubious if it claims he died fighting Whitebeard." This is a case of us being more informed than Mihawk, because we saw what happened to him.
It is not a hard concept to understand.
There is no good reason for Moria to survive, based on what his contributions to the story have been.
All the suggestions people have for him living are grasping at straws and picking apart minutiae that ignore established facts in place of wild speculation. Deservedly, they sound retarded.
He's dead, Jim.
i vote "he is alive"
cause i don't like the idea to give a free meal to "Perona will joins the strawhat crew" fanboys
but i think he is dead lol
Yeah it is - it's them on the beach with no Moria close by.
This:
@Del:
That's not a cover story! I can't believe there's still people misunderstanding this!!!
It isn't anything related with the story and is a mere picture. The lack of Moria may be a pointless event later to be shown, with some sort of picture or something. It's just something that you'd never care to think of.
Seeing the two of them doesn't mean that they are living in that condition, all it means is that Oda wanted to draw two characters and an animal in a picture. That's all.
@7:
So you think the man that is know to hate the weak, and thinks only the strong should survive in the new age; spared Moria for some unknown reason.
He has never stated this… It's implied, but it isn't stated. I remember I asked someone before to provide proof, but that never happened. Provide proof. If you have nothing but "implied" content, don't bother...
Why would Doflamingo betray the WG? He appears to be associated with the higher ups, and they allow him to do what ever he wants(slave trade). Not to mention I don't see Moria going against the WG, he is a lazy sack of shit. His whole crew was defeated and himself yet he didn't get revenge, because he was too weak. So is Moria going to miraculously become stronger than he was in his prime?
You don't get it.
Doflamingo is a pirate, right? As a pirate he hates being ordered around, therefore, whether he has a plan to change that and gain control of everything, in some possible way, then he would be able to gain a lot by having the WG look "weak" in some way. If he desires to overthrow the WG, then he might be willing to think of ways to make them look incompetent behind their backs, like working for them, but working for himself in actuality.
I'm not saying he's doing that, however, since he's a pirate and doesn't seem to like the WG all that much, himself, there may be a goal of his to change the future somehow to benefit his own goals. Moria, like Crocodile, might be a pawn in his future goals. If he needs that figure for something, something completely insignificant and useful, then he'd most likely take that with him, no?
Moria doesn't matter. What he does from now on is just insignificant and not really meaningful. If he stays dead, then he's a Shichibukai used to promote the WG's power, and suggest that the Balance is still in existence. If he's alive, then there's an ulterior motive from Doflamingo or some stupid conflict between Moria and the WG done the line. It is highly likely that Oda killed Moria, however, if Oda had Doflamingo lie for build-up towards his own character, it would be reasonable to have Moria come back; alive. Otherwise, there's really no reason to let Moria live on his own since his character wouldn't be much use in the future, nor would it help Doflamingo/ WG to look like incompetent fools by letting Moria escape them.
@Silence:
Incredible. People are really still arguing about this? Moria's dead, stop overanalyzing it.
- No reason for the Gorosei to let him live after he was cornered.
Agreed. But, the decision is on Doflamingo, not the Gorosei.
- They would look like fools if they announced his death and didn't have proof.
They could be lied to, which is possible.
- I doubt Dofla would let him go after beating him to within an inch of his life. We KNOW Dofla isn't forgiving of weaklings (look at Belamy) it goes completely against everything we've seen about him for him to let Moria go. From what we have seen he things only the strong should survive, WG lets him do whatever he wants (slave trade), and he's the most loyal (from what we've seen) Shichibukai. And how is he going to let Moria go while surrounded by the PX-?? army?
It's not impportant about "how" he will do it, it's important if it helps him someway or somehow… If it does, then he'll do it somehow. Furthermore, I don't agree with that bold.
- We KNOW the KumaClone army wouldn't let them go because Kuma himself had to attack the cyborgs to stop them from wiping out the Strawhats. They're the most solid proof that Moria was not getting away.
No. You don't know.
- Mihawk says "I don't know about whether he is dead or not, but he was alive on the battlefield," to respond to the claim that he was killed in battle, in the war. He's not saying "yeah, Moria is alive because we shook hands and smoked a few after Whitebeard went down." He's saying, "Maybe he's dead - I don't know - but the article is dubious if it claims he died fighting Whitebeard." This is a case of us being more informed than Mihawk, because we saw what happened to him.
This is a case where he's admitting the truth, and we "readers" don't know what to think… Whether Moria died or not, we don't know, nor does he. It's stating that there's no word after the two week stretch of time concerning Moria at all, not even among the Shichibukai.
So, he is stating both, but he is implying that "death" is the probable truth to Moria, however, he just doesn't know.
It is not a hard concept to understand.
It's not grounded… It is loose and can go either way.
- There is no good reason for Moria to survive, based on what his contributions to the story have been.
Depends on what Doflamingo's character is looking for.
- All the suggestions people have for him living are grasping at straws and picking apart minutiae that ignore established facts in place of wild speculation. Deservedly, they sound retarded.
It only seems possible if Doflamingo decided to let him live. Otherwise, it's impossible for Moria to escape on his own… It won't make any sense.
He's dead, Jim.
Debatable, but I'd agree…
- No reason for the Gorosei to let him live after he was cornered.
No, you're right. But that doesn't mean he couldn't have fled.
- They would look like fools if they announced his death and didn't have proof.
They would look like fools if they said another Shichibukai defects from them.
- I doubt Dofla would let him go after beating him to within an inch of his life. We KNOW Dofla isn't forgiving of weaklings (look at Belamy) it goes completely against everything we've seen about him for him to let Moria go. From what we have seen he things only the strong should survive, WG lets him do whatever he wants (slave trade), and he's the most loyal (from what we've seen) Shichibukai. And how is he going to let Moria go while surrounded by the PX-?? army?
That's why I thought Moria fled.
- We KNOW the KumaClone army wouldn't let them go because Kuma himself had to attack the cyborgs to stop them from wiping out the Strawhats. They're the most solid proof that Moria was not getting away.
If Moria fled in a safe place that they can't find, what do you want them to do?
- Mihawk says "I don't know about whether he is dead or not, but he was alive on the battlefield," to respond to the claim that he was killed in battle, in the war. He's not saying "yeah, Moria is alive because we shook hands and smoked a few after Whitebeard went down." He's saying, "Maybe he's dead - I don't know - but the article is dubious if it claims he died fighting Whitebeard." This is a case of us being more informed than Mihawk, because we saw what happened to him.
Mihawk never claimed Moria was dead, that would be stupid from Oda to make him say: "I don't know about Moria's survival" if he didn't want us to ask whether Moria died or not. And when an author raise this sort of question: there is 95% chance the guy didn't die. That's why I belive he is still alive.
- There is no good reason for Moria to survive, based on what his contributions to the story have been.
We could say the same thing about Crocodile before he came back.
Like it or not, you can't deny the Moria cases is ambiguous, and if Oda really wanted us to believe he is dead, he could have done it way better. We didn't even see something that look like a finishing blow.
He has never stated this… It's implied, but it isn't stated. I remember I asked someone before to provide proof, but that never happened. Provide proof. If you have nothing but "implied" content, don't bother...
Why you're completely right Doflamingo doesn't hate the weak at all …. oh wait
Wow, what a big post, so well written, shame just for one single wrong thing that makes the entire argument useless
They would look like fools if they said another Shichibukai defects from them.
NO, THEY WOULDN'T
Why you're completely right Doflamingo doesn't hate the weak at all …. oh wait
I did say that you shouldn't bring up something without it stated.
You have stated that Doflamingo's comment means, by fact, "weak" when he never stated it or should I say confirmed it. Worthless trash, albeit is likely meaning "weak", however, it could imply something totally different and useless, like a pawn that no longer has any service in him. No, by no notion does Doflamingo state a fellow isn't called for because they're "weak", in the sense you are trying to state; Doflamingo doesn't explain what "worthless trash" means and I may be being far too literal with you, but I do hope you understand that it isn't stated.
Once again, I would love to read a line where he says "weak" because no matter what I think of, I have never read it as that in all my read throughs of OP, and I've never once thought of it that way, as a fact. So, when this idea first was brought up, I was shocked to read it and wondered where this came from… Alas, I stand shocked awaiting for the proof that Doflamingo means what you people say so.
No, AGOG, what he means is simple
A age where no weak pirates live
By his speech there and by his speech at the war, its clear that he wants strong people living in this world and weak people killed
It has nothing to do with how useful they are to him
Quoting Stephen:
Doflamingo: HAH HAH HAH!! IT'S COMING!!
HURRY!! MAKE YOUR PREPARATIONS!!!
GET READY FOR A WORLD IN WHICH ONLY THE REAL PIRATES WILL SURVIVE!!!
WEAK AND HELPLESS, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
THE UNCONTROLLABLE WAVES WILL BRING
A "NEW ERA" OF GREAT MEN AND HEROES!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hope this solve all your problems, dudes.
Don't forget the speech where he clearly says that the strong are the ones that write history, and the one who wins this war is the one who deserves to rule the world
His motives are really clear, I have no idea how AGOG is even theorizing what he wants
@Del:
Quoting Stephen:
Hope this solve all your problems, dudes.
This is a little better, but it just seems to personify the description of the new age. It's not like he's obsessed like people make him out to be.
I still don't see the statement like you all expect it to be. Weak holds many different definitions, and Oda could be using one of the lesser-known ones to impact a stronger sense of "drama" in his speeches, which are supposed to be probable.
The anime didn't define it in the "less-common" way that most of you seem to take it for.
No, AGOG, what he means is simple
A age where no weak pirates live
By his speech there and by his speech at the war, its clear that he wants strong people living in this world and weak people killed
It has nothing to do with how useful they are to him
Are you the writer? No.
What he means hasn't been elaborated upon, and therefore it is not known…
It's not clear that he wants the bold, it is an assumption of yours that he wants it that way. You don't have it stated that way, like you suspect.
It "could" have that meaning in usage, and it could have that intention by virtue of the writer...
His speech isn't what you make it out to be where he's anti-weak as a person, that's not entirely true.
I did say that you shouldn't bring up something without it stated.
You have stated that Doflamingo's comment means, by fact, "weak" when he never stated it or should I say confirmed it. Worthless trash, albeit is likely meaning "weak", however, it could imply something totally different and useless, like a pawn that no longer has any service in him. No, by no notion does Doflamingo state a fellow isn't called for because they're "weak", in the sense you are trying to state; Doflamingo doesn't explain what "worthless trash" means and I may be being far too literal with you, but I do hope you understand that it isn't stated.
Once again, I would love to read a line where he says "weak" because no matter what I think of, I have never read it as that in all my read throughs of OP, and I've never once thought of it that way, as a fact. So, when this idea first was brought up, I was shocked to read it and wondered where this came from… Alas, I stand shocked awaiting for the proof that Doflamingo means what you people say so.
Then perhaps you should get someone to translate for you the original Japanese version of that image - because guess what after 2 failures Moria was worthless.
Hell Belamy failed once and got the pink slip.
Problem is you know you're wrong you have the doubt and the only holding you and all the other Moria survivors threads together is the impossibility that Moria will return later. At this point should he appear in a Cover (not a cover story) the pants of all of those hoping will resemble an explosion at a porridge factory as they rush to get online to scream in glee at the sudden proof.
There is no avanue for escape here.
If Moria was not killed - then they WOULD NOT have reported it and Doflamingo failed then they would Use an Admiral who I can assure you would NOT fail. Moria was dead the second he came to the island the WG just tried to get any help from him they could - which in the end being next to nothing.
Zombies - felled in 1 blow by Jimbei
Oz Jr - taken down primarily by Doflamingo who sliced his leg off - Moria hit him with a Brik Bat from which Oz Jr still got up and carried the 2nd boat over the barrier.
Anything else of supreme mention in that battle? Nope looks like he was just waiting for death he didn't know was coming.
Then perhaps you should get someone to translate for you the original Japanese version of that image - because guess what after 2 failures Moria was worthless.
Hell Belamy failed once and got the pink slip.
Problem is you know you're wrong you have the doubt and the only holding you and all the other Moria survivors threads together is the impossibility that Moria will return later. At this point should he appear in a Cover (not a cover story) the pants of all of those hoping will resemble an explosion at a porridge factory as they rush to get online to scream in glee at the sudden proof.There is no avanue for escape here.
If Moria was not killed - then they WOULD NOT have reported it and Doflamingo failed then they would Use an Admiral who I can assure you would NOT fail. Moria was dead the second he came to the island the WG just tried to get any help from him they could - which in the end being next to nothing.Zombies - felled in 1 blow by Jimbei
Oz Jr - taken down primarily by Doflamingo who sliced his leg off - Moria hit him with a Brik Bat from which Oz Jr still got up and carried the 2nd boat over the barrier.
Anything else of supreme mention in that battle? Nope looks like he was just waiting for death he didn't know was coming.
Not this bullshit again.
Wonder no more there is a whole thread here that you can read to better inform yourself.
Isn't that convenient.
That isn't an answer:wassat:
And I have been keeping track of this thread.
This is a little better, but it just seems to personify the description of the new age. It's not like he's obsessed like people make him out to be.
I still don't see the statement like you all expect it to be. Weak holds many different definitions, and Oda could be using one of the lesser-known ones to impact a stronger sense of "drama" in his speeches, which are supposed to be probable.
The anime didn't define it in the "less-common" way that most of you seem to take it for.
Are you the writer? No.
What he means hasn't been elaborated upon, and therefore it is not known…
It's not clear that he wants the bold, it is an assumption of yours that he wants it that way. You don't have it stated that way, like you suspect.
It "could" have that meaning in usage, and it could have that intention by virtue of the writer...
His speech isn't what you make it out to be where he's anti-weak as a person, that's not entirely true.
Seriously you so have to be a troll.
Either that or your carers that would be a requirement for you have, would have to styrofoam the edges of anything sharp and use strawberry flavoured window cleaner because if you're going to lick the windows anyways they may as well be tasty.
I am beginning to see why Jerk Disease has decended to just abusing the crap out of people. These forums change people :blink:
You get given a page with a discription - you say it's not enough - you get a MORE accurate translation and then proceed to say "Thats not the way I interperate it" I mean WTF is denial an olympic sport where you come from because congratulations you'll win the Gold.
This is definitely going to sound like over analyzing, but it somewhat interests me.
Do any of you think there might be a slight possibility that Kuma knew of the Government's interest to assassinate Moria beforehand? Since he's part of the Pacifista program I don't see it as entirely impossible that he might've caught wind of this beforehand. His Journey to Thriller Bark may even have some relation to that, possibly an evaluation or test of Moria's strength prior to an assassination attempt. As for Perona, I'm not sure about her so much, but the slight possibility of Kuma sending one of Moria's crewmates to a fellow Warlord's home does raise questions, questions I'm not entirely sure of yet, but questions none the less.
As for Doflamingo, …. Well he's sort of the odd puzzle piece in this, I can't figure where he fits into this well, but I can totally see Kuma and possibly the revolutionaries being related or trying to prevent ... well this.
Now I'm not trying to say Moria's alive and well, as much as I'd like that. He kinda seems majorly fucked now, and the only way I can see Oda saving him is pulling something crazy out of his ass; ala typical Oda.
Perhaps I'm giving far too much thought in this, I know, but maybe a conspiracy behind Moria's assassination isn't too far fetched? It just seems like "lol too weak" is a bit too stupid of a reason to off someone without milking them of their full potential. I dunno, just my thoughts on this, not trying to force it on anyone.
Not this bullshit again.
What logic?
I regret to inform you people use logic and it will be used against poor arguments.
What logic?
I regret to inform you people use logic and it will be used against poor arguments.
Then perhaps you should get someone to translate for you the original Japanese version of that image - because guess what after 2 failures Moria was worthless.
I know, but that's not the point of this…
Hell Belamy failed once and got the pink slip.
True, but Doflamingo stated it that his "usage" of a pawn isn't needed anymore, making him useless entirely.
Problem is you know you're wrong you have the doubt and the only holding you and all the other Moria survivors threads together is the impossibility that Moria will return later. At this point should he appear in a Cover (not a cover story) the pants of all of those hoping will resemble an explosion at a porridge factory as they rush to get online to scream in glee at the sudden proof.
I state it again, "Moria is dead" at this current time. However, I'm making a different point because, unlike my opinion, I do see a possibility to have Doflamingo contribute emphasis from this event by letting Moria live for whatever plans Doflamingo may have… I'm merely stating that "perhaps" there isn't impossibility on Doflamingo's character going against those "higher-ups" to let Moria live, from a writer's POV.
As, in the other sense, I am siding completely with the idea that Moria is killed from the story. Softly, offering suggestions as to what point, if any, would exist to let him survive...
I am, however, opposed to the idea that "Doflamingo" states something against "weak" in the sense most are portraying here. There wasn't any stated moment in the manga, or anything, to assure me to believe in this direction.
There is no avanue for escape here.
There is a mercy rule that exists, and this is something that you aren't able to basically "say" isn't possible because we weren't provided any truth about Doflamingo's goals and character.
If Moria was not killed - then they WOULD NOT have reported it and Doflamingo failed then they would Use an Admiral who I can assure you would NOT fail.
No, if Moria "was" said to have been killed, then they wouldn't really send anything concerning the situation. However, we "don't" know enough about Doflamingo to assure that he's going to kill him… Sure, we're given enough to know that he shows stated-interest in killing him, but if Oda wants to leave Moria alive, then Doflamingo would be the only viable option to successfully pull this off.
Moria was dead the second he came to the island the WG just tried to get any help from him they could - which in the end being next to nothing.
It's not about the WG, it's more about what Doflamingo may have done, when in that situation… Could he have lied to the WG, and gone behind their backs? Possibly.
Zombies - felled in 1 blow by Jimbei
Oz Jr - taken down primarily by Doflamingo who sliced his leg off - Moria hit him with a Brik Bat from which Oz Jr still got up and carried the 2nd boat over the barrier.
Anything else of supreme mention in that battle? Nope looks like he was just waiting for death he didn't know was coming.
The conversation has little to do with Moria, it's more about what Doflamingo may be conceiving and such; which, isn't "stated" outside of the vague goals that don't mean anything but titles. For instance, Pirate King isn't the same in every person's view, as we were shown much, much later in the manga.
Could Doflamingo lie to the WG in order to refuge Moria for some ulterior motive of his, perhaps. Would he? Who knows…
That's what I am trying to decipher, not of his death... If reading the semantics of the whole, his death is all but assured... If trying to question them, and what was going on, then there's a looming chance that Doflamingo might have done this thing I'm talking about.
No, AGOG, what he means is simple
A age where no weak pirates live
By his speech there and by his speech at the war, its clear that he wants strong people living in this world and weak people killed
It has nothing to do with how useful they are to him
well actually i could see doflamingo finding it "INTERSTING" for moria to escape
but the paper saying he is dead though shoots that down for me, cause it would be moronic for the WG to announce someones death when they are not 100% dead
Heck if you didn't notice they didn't declare Luffy dead in the paper
Seriously you so have to be a troll.
Why?
Either that or your carers that would be a requirement for you have, would have to styrofoam the edges of anything sharp and use strawberry flavoured window cleaner because if you're going to lick the windows anyways they may as well be tasty.
I am beginning to see why Jerk Disease has decended to just abusing the crap out of people. These forums change people :blink:
This seems to be the typical response because you cannot defend your statement to the point I'm asking here… Look, I know that you cannot do anything at all, so just be attentive and work with me on that part.
Try to use that nutshell and contemplate what the hell I'm trying to get you to think. Yes, this isn't something that a one-line would answer instantly, you know...
You get given a page with a discription - you say it's not enough - you get a MORE accurate translation and then proceed to say "Thats not the way I interperate it" I mean WTF is denial an olympic sport where you come from because congratulations you'll win the Gold.
You ought to grasp it easily that what you state isn't what is stated without any doubt… It holds doubt, and there's fuzzy stretches concerning it.
No, there's a ton of stuff to deny because it is written in vague form which has no "fact" or "truth" to it because of it being so VAGUE!!
Oda is sometimes an unreliable narrator, you know...
Are you the writer? No.
What he means hasn't been elaborated upon, and therefore it is not known…
It couldn't be more elaborated upon if Oda wanted it to be
DoFlamingo spoke to himself in both of those occasions, like a mad man, he wasn't tricking anyone or lying to anyone, he was clearly saying to himself how great this new age of piracy without weak people is
That's all there is to it, the fact that I'm not the writer doesn't mean shit, because from the things Oda gave us, there's no other possible way to interpretate the character
It's not clear that he wants the bold, it is an assumption of yours that he wants it that way. You don't have it stated that way, like you suspect.
Actually, I do, in both speeches
It "could" have that meaning in usage, and it could have that intention by virtue of the writer…
It "was"
His speech isn't what you make it out to be where he's anti-weak as a person, that's not entirely true.
Of course it is, what could you possibly read from there other than that?
well actually i could see doflamingo finding it "INTERSTING" for moria to escape
but the paper saying he is dead though shoots that down for me, cause it would be moronic for the WG to announce someones death when they are not 100% dead
Heck if you didn't notice they didn't declare Luffy dead in the paper
Oh, nice argument, didn't even think of that, heh
Reading comprehension.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/592/03/
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/91854766/4
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/23560
The only people who know what really happened to Moria are Doflamingo and the only people who knew he was at risk are us, the reader.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/581/17/
Doflamingo's orders are coming from the Gorosei. You may recall they (and not Sengoku) were calling the shots back when Kuma was at Thriller Bark: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/483/15/
People forget that the Shichibukai are under the control of the World Government, but the WG is separate from the Marines - that's why the Shichibukai don't have to cooperate with the Marine HQ unless explicitly ordered to do so by the World Government. It's the World Government that decides what sort of information gets out about the Shichibukai - they suppressed the information about the Level 6 escapees from Impel Down. More importantly, they suppressed the information of Moria losing to the Strawhats.
I say this to say that Mihawk wasn't informed of what was being done to Moria. Why would he be?
How do you think the Shichibukai would react if they knew that the World Government was actively betraying them - hunting them down if they appeared to have lost their edge or had failed too often? I bet you anything they wouldn't hang around. Of course they would suppress information of their betraying and killing one of their own Shichibukai.
It's Moria's fault that Luffy showed up at Marineford - it was his job to stop him at Thriller Bark. This is probably their way of cleaning up his mess.
Mihawk's doubt isn't there to suggest that Moria may still be alive. If it were any other situation, the doubt would have served to suggest that that was possible - but we SAW what was happening to Moria. Mihawk didn't. Of COURSE Mihawk wouldn't know - if he and the other Shichibukai knew that the government would use their Kuma army to hunt them down, I doubt they would stick around very long. Think of the chaos it would cause!
Also, almost never do we see the actual moment of death in this series. Does this mean that Mr. 11 didn't die when he was shot in the face by the billions (despite it being confirmed in the same chapter by Taishigi)? Or that Zoro never killed Mr. 7 (despite it being confirmed by Mr. 1)? Or that Doflamingo decided to have mercy on Bellamy after all?
Doflamingo: HAH HAH HAH!! IT'S COMING!!
HURRY!! MAKE YOUR PREPARATIONS!!!
GET READY FOR A WORLD IN WHICH ONLY THE REAL PIRATES WILL SURVIVE!!!
WEAK AND HELPLESS, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
THE UNCONTROLLABLE WAVES WILL BRING
A "NEW ERA" OF GREAT MEN AND HEROES!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Come on, those people are dead.
It's extremely likely Moria is dead, and it's extremely unlikely any of the other Shichibukai would know how.
AGOG
I honestly don't forsee a way for you to be taken seriously - you claim one thing - then switch to "playing devils advocate"
Then proceed to ask people to show proof - get given said proof and then say oh because it isn't written with finality there is a insert % here chance such and such could maybe almost happen. Thats not an argument thats leaving wiggle room to recant previous statements.
MORIA IS DEAD - That is my statement and should I be wrong I WILL BE WRONG
Your statement is
Moria seems to be dead and there is a lot of implication that he is dead and if it was a certainty then would be written better and there would be bodies and funerals for even the smallest bit part characters like Moria because Oda knows we love him. So therefor he could be alive.
This means you want to be able to go
Moria is found to be alive later "I knew it all along I said that"
Moria is shown to be dead later "I knew it all along I said that"
Come on grow some balls and make a clear cut statement is he 100% dead or 100% alive stop playing Troll and put some effort in or make all your statements worthless because you want your cake.
It's extremely likely Moria is dead, and it's extremely unlikely any of the other Shichibukai would know how.
True and true, but I'd like to think there's still a slight possibility of Kuma knowing about this beforehand.
AGOG
I honestly don't forsee a way for you to be taken seriously - you claim one thing - then switch to "playing devils advocate"
Then proceed to ask people to show proof - get given said proof and then say oh because it isn't written with finality there is a insert % here chance such and such could maybe almost happen. Thats not an argument thats leaving wiggle room to recant previous statements.MORIA IS DEAD - That is my statement and should I be wrong I WILL BE WRONG
Your statement is
Moria seems to be dead and there is a lot of implication that he is dead and if it was a certainty then would be written better and there would be bodies and funerals for even the smallest bit part characters like Moria because Oda knows we love him. So therefor he could be alive.
This means you want to be able to go
Moria is found to be alive later "I knew it all along I said that"
Moria is shown to be dead later "I knew it all along I said that"Come on grow some balls and make a clear cut statement is he 100% dead or 100% alive stop playing Troll and put some effort in or make all your statements worthless because you want your cake.
he's a weather man
i bet there is a 20% chance of percipitation tomorrow
AGOG
I honestly don't forsee a way for you to be taken seriously - you claim one thing - then switch to "playing devils advocate"
Then proceed to ask people to show proof - get given said proof and then say oh because it isn't written with finality there is a insert % here chance such and such could maybe almost happen. Thats not an argument thats leaving wiggle room to recant previous statements.MORIA IS DEAD - That is my statement and should I be wrong I WILL BE WRONG
Your statement is
Moria seems to be dead and there is a lot of implication that he is dead and if it was a certainty then would be written better and there would be bodies and funerals for even the smallest bit part characters like Moria because Oda knows we love him. So therefor he could be alive.
This means you want to be able to go
Moria is found to be alive later "I knew it all along I said that"
Moria is shown to be dead later "I knew it all along I said that"Come on grow some balls and make a clear cut statement is he 100% dead or 100% alive stop playing Troll and put some effort in or make all your statements worthless because you want your cake.
Reminds me of the "there are hints suggestig Sabo is alive but I'll stay in the Sabo is dead camp until he reappears in the story" in the Sabo thread.
@Zik:
Reminds me of the "there are hints suggestig Sabo is alive but I'll stay in the Sabo is dead camp until he reappears in the story" in the Sabo thread.
To which I read both sides of the arguments and I am siding with the Sabo is alive side. The arguments convinced me of such and were well written. And if I am wrong I will admit my wrongness.
I prefer to have people know me to be honest with my opinions then to think I was a weazle who looks for any excuse to back out of a statment or recant something they said.
AGOG seems to have dissapeared :(
Ok, his gone for now.
CONTINUE w/ the discussion of Moria's Death.
We need some Herr Krokodil in here.
I will ask just one thing to the Moria is dead supporters:
-The Newspapper anounce that Moria is dead. One of Mihawk sentences is "I dont know about him surviving", even after reading in the newspapper that he is dead. Doesnt this mean, that, with Mihawk doubting the dead part, Moria could still be alive and (This is the interesting part) they have lied about other people dying in the past, hnce Mihawk doubting Morias dead?
I will ask just one thing to the Moria is dead supporters:
-The Newspapper anounce that Moria is dead. One of Mihawk sentences is "I dont know about him surviving", even after reading in the newspapper that he is dead. Doesnt this mean, that, with Mihawk doubting the dead part, Moria could still be alive and (This is the interesting part) they have lied about other people dying in the past, hnce Mihawk doubting Morias dead?
in before reading comprehension
oh wait how does that work, cause i can't be in before it, since i am saying it.
seriously how hard is this to understand guys. Mihawk did not see Moria die, thus he doesn't know about the him being dead part and can't comment about it. He is ill informed about it, but he was there at the war and at the end of the war and when he left Moria was still alive, thus he can comment about the "dying IN the war" part, which he says is not true.
and who have they lied about in the past as of dying?
I will ask just one thing to the Moria is dead supporters:
-The Newspapper anounce that Moria is dead. One of Mihawk sentences is "I dont know about him surviving", even after reading in the newspapper that he is dead. Doesnt this mean, that, with Mihawk doubting the dead part, Moria could still be alive and (This is the interesting part) they have lied about other people dying in the past, hnce Mihawk doubting Morias dead?
This isn't a point, it's you being really bad at reading or engaging in plot dyslexia where you read what you want into what isn't there.
Plus it's been corrected ten billion times so basically go back to lurking forever.
Veni, vidi, vici.
I read, I understood, Moria is dead.