So he can shoot Whitebeard.
General Blackbeard Thread
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So he can shoot Whitebeard.
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Shooting things are fun.
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hmmm, I wonder what is the point of BB carrying around a pistol? His melee attack and abilities should be far more stronger than a pistol (even when imbued with Haki)
He has 3 guns because the real Blackbeard was known for carrying around 3 guns.
Also, for people near yonkou strength, guns actually work!
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I can easily see Blackbeard sucking in a devil fruit user with Kurouzu, grabbing them to negate their DF powers, and then pulling out one of his pistols to shoot them, up close, in their face….
...that'd be gangsta...
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@Muda:
I can easily see Blackbeard sucking in a devil fruit user with Kurouzu, grabbing them to negate their DF powers, and then pulling out one of his pistols to shoot them, up close, in their face….
...that'd be gangsta...
hmmm, i believe pistol doesnt do much compared to his punch or gura gura attack…
And common pistol in OP world seems only cause minor damage and its bullet is not fast enough (at least for Zoro)
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Remember when Whitebeard used his Earthquake powers through his spear?
Maybe Blackbeard can do the same with bullets.
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hmmm, i believe pistol doesnt do much compared to his punch or gura gura attack…
And common pistol in OP world seems only cause minor damage and its bullet is not fast enough (at least for Zoro)
I'm not saying he would opt for his pistol instead of Quaking the shit out of a negated DF user…but it'd be pretty cool if he did pull it out for once and shot someone in the face as he was holding them...
As for pistols causing minor damage (up close, no less), Bellemere disagrees.
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@Muda:
I'm not saying he would opt for his pistol instead of Quaking the shit out of a negated DF user…but it'd be pretty cool if he did pull it out for once and shot someone in the face as he was holding them...
As for pistols causing minor damage (up close, no less), Bellemere disagrees.
hmmm, that because Bellemere is weak and/or doesnt have superhuman strength like others…Usopp has been hit by a bomb in pointblank, or some fodder character got hit by a cannon but still survive...
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Yasopp and Lou use guns, Beckman scared the shit out of Kizaru with a gun, Burgess, Lafitte and Shot also used guns against Whitebeard, Augers primary weapon is a gun, and two of the Whitebeard commanders use guns (or, Curiel wields a bazooka, but that's pretty similar). I think they're a more effective weapon than one would think.
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hmmm, "the weapon damage depends on the user who wields it", I agree with this, but only limited to sword or other melee weapons. Ranged weapons damage and bullet speed dont depend on the user, the changing variables are accuracy and fire rate.
Maybe gun only matters when imbued with haki or ability
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My money is on Cerberus fruit and that missing teeth is definitely intentional, something like making mistake in the pattern of teeth can only happen once or twice. If this was unintentional, it would have been noticed and corrected in the anime, but it isn't.
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hmmm, yes, it cant be unintentional, because in 532 his tooth still missing…But I think that was only character cosmetic, like Enel has a long ear or Wanze has weird eyes
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My money is on Cerberus fruit and that missing teeth is definitely intentional, something like making mistake in the pattern of teeth can only happen once or twice. If this was unintentional, it would have been noticed and corrected in the anime, but it isn't.
agreed.
I say the most plausible speculative theory is the cerberus.Seriously, its almost the theory is almost too perfect.
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Any of you cerberus theory guys wanna put some REAL money towards that prediction?
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Might as well give the money away now if they do.
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The whole magic teeth thing…
Maybe it was just a one time mess up on Oda's part and he just didn't realize it?
Doesn't matter in the end, because those new teeth probably got knocked out when the Bisento of STFU came down on him.
agreed.
I say the most plausible speculative theory is the cerberus.Seriously, its almost the theory is almost too perfect.
…what. is this. i dont...i dont even.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Might as well give the money away now if they do.
if I am in any way correct with my speculations :).
I am going to send all of you noobs an I told you so message.
Although, I am most likely terribly incorrect. For me, at this point its the most plausible theory.
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if I am in any way correct with my speculations :).
I am going to send all of you noobs an I told you so message.
Although, I am most likely terribly incorrect. For me, at this point its the most plausible theory.
and when this doesnt happen can u send me a im sorry but your right message?
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if I am in any way correct with my speculations :).
I am going to send all of you noobs an I told you so message.
Although, I am most likely terribly incorrect. For me, at this point its the most plausible theory.
Gloating is a trait of dumbasses.
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if I am in any way correct with my speculations :).
I am going to send all of you noobs an I told you so message.
Your arrogance shall be your downfall, Padawan.
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Question!!!!!!
What is this cerberus theory everyone is talking about?!?
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Question!!!!!!
What is this cerberus theory everyone is talking about?!?
Blackbeard's 3 motif + the stealing of Whitebeard's fruit + No explanation + Lack of important Zoans + Some lost in translation comment by Luffy and Zoro = Cerberus Cerberus Fruit
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Wait a minute, why the cerberus?!?
Just because of the pirate flag, i thought that was foreshadowing that Blackbeard would have 3 DFs, i bet BlackBeard will get a really powerfull Zoan fruit in the future.
I still don't get the cerberus theory, i think Blackeard being a cerberus is rather stupid in my opinion.
He is probably the final villain in the series and since he is going to get another fruit( a Zoan one) a cerberus fruit is rather weak compared to the other fruits Blackbeard has.
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Wait a minute, why the cerberus?!?
Just because of the pirate flag, i thought that was foreshadowing that Blackbeard would have 3 DFs, i bet BlackBeard will get a really powerfull Zoan fruit in the future.
I still don't get the cerberus theory, i think Blackeard being a cerberus is rather stupid in my opinion.
He is probably the final villain in the series and since he is going to get another fruit( a Zoan one) a cerberus fruit is rather weak compared to the other fruits Blackbeard has.
the theory is that he can use the other two DF's because he is cerberus ex. the three heads 1 df per head….
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@Cyan:
Your arrogance shall be your downfall, Padawan.
excuse my sarcasm. I was being somewhat sarcastic in both of those statements.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:Gloating is a trait of dumbasses.
Do you insult everyone you disagree with?
I wasnt trying to be a dick.
Do you want to lose yet another debate?@Cyan:
Blackbeard's 3 motif + the stealing of Whitebeard's fruit + No explanation + Lack of important Zoans + Some lost in translation comment by Luffy and Zoro = Cerberus Cerberus Fruit
Thats some of it, but essentially thats a lot of it.
Wait a minute, why the cerberus?!?
Just because of the pirate flag, i thought that was foreshadowing that Blackbeard would have 3 DFs, i bet BlackBeard will get a really powerfull Zoan fruit in the future.
I still don't get the cerberus theory, i think Blackeard being a cerberus is rather stupid in my opinion.
He is probably the final villain in the series and since he is going to get another fruit( a Zoan one) a cerberus fruit is rather weak compared to the other fruits Blackbeard has.
The cerberus theory is based off of educated speculation.
But its based off of a few things.Teach's motif with the number 3. (3 heads on his sail, shanks 3 marked scar that was given to him, Teach's three pistols, Teach's three personalities, Teach's three original missing teeth, etc.)
Well, I'm going to play Devil's advocate on this one even though I'm not buying into this theory. A Cerberus is a creature of darkness whose 3 heads represent past, present, and future (much like the 3 goddesses of fate represent). The symbolism all fits.
Also, it's technically the heads of 3 different animals (dog, lion, and wolf).
this is a pretty plausible supporter of the theory (above).
If he in some way used his Cerberus fruit in his fight with shanks to scar him (usually, fingernails cant scar somebody like that, claws usually do), It couldve easily led to shanks uneasiness about Teach.
Its certainly plausible he kept it a secret for twenty years, and was forced to use it in his fight with shanks in some way.I also believe that the three heads allowed him to consume two more devil fruits (one for the cerberus, one for the darkness, and one for the quake). And if that is the case, he would have one of the most powerful of each type : mythical zoan, logia, and paramecia.
But regardless of that, when thinking about it i also found something which could back up such a theory: Usually when blackbeard gets hit he moans in pain and cries how much he is hurt just to hop on his feet grinning evil in the next panel. The ability to switch to different personalities (completely with physically different, but same looking "bodies") could explain that behaviour that allways felt a bit odd to me.
It could explain (as mentioned above), how he absorbs his pain so quickly. He could just "switch beings" and let one of the other heads deal with the pain.
Although, its most likely that he just has monstrous endurance (like Luffy, Newgate, and Akainu). But the fact he usually rolls around on the ground in pain, before he jumps back up with a grin makes me believe he doesnt receive pain well.
Newgates badass attack could support this too, Newgate had a total killing intent when he owned Teach, when the strongest man in the world attacks you, with the intent to kill you, most people wont get up, especially if you usually fail at taking pain. (unless they're like Akainu, with a logia ability that allows you to regenerate yourself).
Once again, speculation, but I see it as a plausibility to support the theory.It could be used to explain the need for his dark cloak he used when acquiring Newgates fruit.
ill probably regret bringing this up :p,and I usually stay away from the whole teeth pattern thing (although im starting to think Oda is doing this intentionally in some way), but if he essentially "switched heads" that would explain the constant change in personalities, and teeth patterns (although this is very very far-fetched, and this is just bogus speculation about the teeth patterns ;))
these pages (and its actually a valid translation, confirmed by Aohige I believe(?))
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/225/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/225/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/225/17/
And with those pages, Luffy and Zoro couldve just as easily been referring to Teaches crew. But its definitely a suspicious comment (especially since they ignored Nami).
And only an idiot would say that statement wasnt directed at him.and much more, but once again, its all speculation and im not saying its absolute truth (sorry for above, I was being a sarcastic ass).
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I don't know, im understanding what you are saying but its really hard to picture a cerberus Blackbeard, maybe he only has a special body with 3 personalities and all the 3 theme is just foreshadowing to him having those diferent personalities and having 3 DFs.
There is no need to have a Cereberus involved.
That theory too weird, sorry.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
It wasn't and insult it was the truth(or just my opinion for that matter). Not my fault you feel offended because you fit the description. You just claimed you plan to gloat if a hypothetical situation were to occur.
Yeah because we all pm the ppl who disagreed with our theories after they come true to tell them "I told you so"But maybe that's what you may need to realize. You aren't trying to be a dick. You are one. Sorta how a person doesn't try to be blind they just are or not.
I never lost one with you to begin with. Furthermore, there's nothing to debate. I already picked apart your silly theory pages ago but I know you think it's the best one out there. The fact that you're so consumed with winning or losing a debate that Oda will end up proving you wrong for later is sad to me.But if we're debating whether you're a dumbass for saying you plan to gloat if you're right feel free to go ahead.
hahaha.
Okay, if you say so buddy.I don't know, im understanding what you are saying but its really hard to picture a cerberus Blackbeard, maybe he only has a special body with 3 personalities and all the 3 theme is just foreshadowing to him having those diferent personalities and having 3 DFs.
There is no need to have a Cereberus involved.
That theory too weird, sorry.
If you want to read up more on the theory, check out around pages 123-130ish in this thread I believe.
Thats where one of the heated debates of the subject are located. Theres some good stuff supporting both sides of the argument :). -
Explain why you'd remove my post responding to that dumbass yet keep his post responding to mine which was just a waste of txt?
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Explain why you'd remove my post responding to that dumbass yet keep his post responding to mine which was just a waste of txt?
Yeah, I found that weird, to be honest myself. I read this whole page, including the exchange between you and CDF with the buddy, friend, etc.
…go to click for the next page, and it brings me back to this one, with obvious posts missing....
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hmmm, someone can show me when BB change his personality?
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Hm confusing, lotsa posts deleted here I take it? Along the way I got what I asked for too lol.
hmmm, someone can show me when BB change his personality?
what?
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hmmm, somebody said that 3 also means 3 BB's personalities.
ill probably regret bringing this up :p,and I usually stay away from the whole teeth pattern thing (although im starting to think Oda is doing this intentionally in some way), but if he essentially "switched heads" that would explain the constant change in personalities, and teeth patterns (although this is very very far-fetched, and this is just bogus speculation about the teeth patterns ;))
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hmmm, somebody said that 3 also means 3 BB's personalities.
There is no such thing, that's just a random fabrication.
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There is no such thing, that's just a random fabrication.
Even if Moria wasn't in chapter 582, you NEED to have him somewhere in that recap.
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Even if Moria wasn't in chapter 582, you NEED to have him somewhere in that recap.
Moria is always present in some shape or form. Group pic, to the right:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/582-128/5But as for my recap I have some other things on my mind atm gonna go for double issue again after next chapter.
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I'm not too convinced about the Cerberus Zoan theory, though the number 3 is indeed a characteristic of BB.
On the subject of Shanks' scar, rather than animal claws from a zoan couldn't it have been caused by BB holding 3 (yet another 3, yes) knives in one hand with the edges coming from between his fingers, or him using a claw-like weapon? I would think that Shanks was wary of BB simply because an apparent nobody in WB's crew managed to hurt him, and Shanks is one of the stronger pirates in the world.
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There is no such thing, that's just a random fabrication.
Its not just random fabrication, You cant deny that Teach has multiple personalities. Just re-read some of the chapters with him playing a significant role, hes always acting in a different way.
@Yamael:I'm not too convinced about the Cerberus Zoan theory, though the number 3 is indeed a characteristic of BB.
On the subject of Shanks' scar, rather than animal claws from a zoan couldn't it have been caused by BB holding 3 (yet another 3, yes) knives in one hand with the edges coming from between his fingers, or him using a claw-like weapon? I would think that Shanks was wary of BB simply because an apparent nobody in WB's crew managed to hurt him, and Shanks is one of the stronger pirates in the world.
Its not just the number three that supports it, check out page 119-130ish in this thread, you'll find some more speculation that supports it. Be sure to read every post by wisshard. Even though he doesnt believe in the theory, everything he says is genious.
As for shanks scar, when have we ever seen Teach fight with a claw like weapon or with a knife, let alone three knives.
The fact that teach relies so much on his devilfruit ability, I dont see how in the world he wouldve managed to injure a yonkou without the use of any devil fruit whatsoever, how in the world couldve Teach injured shanks before he had his darkness fruit?Or maybe Blackbeard has a high mastery of his fruit and only did a minor transformation for a moment or two (since he wanted to conceal his real powers). That could possible also have been what caused Shanks the uneasy feeling about Blackbeard because he didn't see fully what it was, and that he was hiding his real powers. A (potential or current, whatever Shanks was at the moment of the fight)) Yonkou is very likely strong enough force Blackbeard to pull out all his tricks to survive.
read his other posts :ninja:
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Its not just random fabrication, You cant deny that Teach has multiple personalities. Just re-read some of the chapters with him playing a significant role, hes always acting in a different way.
That's nonsense. It's like saying Luffy has different personalities too because sometimes he is serious, sometimes he is acting goofy, sometimes he is happy, sometimes he is sad etc. Blackbeard has ONE personality.
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That's nonsense. It's like saying Luffy has different personalities too because sometimes he is serious, sometimes he is acting goofy, sometimes he is happy, sometimes he is sad etc. Blackbeard has ONE personality.
This. You can't possibly think that every time BB acts different it's different personality. Differences in him haven't been that radical.
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As for shanks scar, when have we ever seen Teach fight with a claw like weapon or with a knife, let alone three knives.
The fact that teach relies so much on his devilfruit ability, I dont see how in the world he wouldve managed to injure a yonkou without the use of any devil fruit whatsoever, how in the world couldve Teach injured shanks before he had his darkness fruit?We know nothing of how he fought before getting the darkness fruit, and the thing is, he did injure Shanks before he had his darkness ability. He only obtained it recently, putting in motion his plans after many years waiting patiently. We know he was in WB's crew already in the time of the fights between WB and Roger, since WB mentions him during his flashback. He has been in the crew of the strongest Yonkou for more than 20 years, and even if he did try to remain unknown, I doubt you could survive there without being an exceptional fighter by yourself. Shanks said that when BB injured him he wasn't being careless; I take it as meaning that BB was able to injure him in a fair fight, not using some strange tricks like a partial transformation in zoan.
Besides, shouldn't WB's crew have noticed that he had a devil fruit before he ate the darkness one, if just from the fact that he couldn't swim? You would have to be extremely careful not to fall in the water for 20 years living as a pirate. Or later, why hasn't he combined the powers of his zoan with the darkness fruit? Draw them in then slash with a claw, for example, would be more effective than draw them in then punch, wouldn't it?
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Historically, pirates and sailors often couldn't swim and were afraid to fall in the sea despite living in close proximity to the sea.^ (Might as well point out that Whitebeard carries over a thousand grunts in his crew, and his crew was very likely the safest place in the New World given that he protects his sons fiercely.)
Why would it be a cheap-shot by Blackbeard to do a momentary partial Zoan transformation (if it was avaible to him) to injure Shanks in a fight? It is still a fair fight, mano-mano.
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So now BB has different personalities? lawls. I wonder if ppl know what a personality is?
Baseless.
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Why would it be a cheap-shot by Blackbeard to do a momentary partial Zoan transformation (if it was avaible to him) to injure Shanks in a fight? It is still a fair fight, mano-mano.
Because Shanks said it wasn't a cheap-shot.
From Stephen's scripts:
Shanks: This one was no mark of adventure.
It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes…
This scar was given to me
by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach...!!
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^I didn't ask if Blackbeard scarred Shanks with a cheap shot or not, I asked why it should be considered a cheap-shot to use a devil fruit.
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^I didn't ask if Blackbeard scarred Shanks with a cheap shot or not, I asked why it should be considered a cheap-shot to use a devil fruit.
Oh, ok.
Using a devil fruit may be a cheap-shot if you were keeping its powers ridden on purpose to surprise the opponent with an unavoidable attack.
It's like hiding a knife in a fist fight…
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Oh, ok.
Using a devil fruit may be a cheap-shot if you were keeping its powers ridden on purpose to surprise the opponent with an unavoidable attack.
It's like hiding a knife in a fist fight…
I have always thought that using possible DF to make that scar was something BB did in haze and while being in danger. But actually, since they are pirates, I don't think that in fight to the death, there's such thing as cheap shot. Winner's the one who lives. Well, at this point Shanks and BB both got away. Whether BB ran off or something interrupted it.
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I think throwing a punch and changing it into a claw while in the way, effectively changing the danger level and maybe the reach too would be considered a surprise attack. If he had been using a partial transformation for longer than a few instants in the fight Shanks would have known that he had a devil fruit already and who knows if other people nearby too.
It's not the fact of using the devil fruit that is the cheap shot, but the how, and it's not in anyway forbidden in a battle between pirates. It's just that Shanks' words imply that it was not a cheap shot but a fair attack that managed to hurt him.
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Oh, ok.
Using a devil fruit may be a cheap-shot if you were keeping its powers ridden on purpose to surprise the opponent with an unavoidable attack.
It's like hiding a knife in a fist fight…
In shounen, however, very few people go all out and show their arsenal right away and even then, as oft as not, they have a secret triumph technique/power/weapon that they use before they are defeated. :happy:
That being said, I think Marco's line about Blackbeard's unique frame is simply a reference to the mans inhuman beuaty…which enables him to control men and devils (fruits) alike...
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Oh, ok.
Using a devil fruit may be a cheap-shot if you were keeping its powers ridden on purpose to surprise the opponent with an unavoidable attack.
It's like hiding a knife in a fist fight…
You may call that cheap but it sounds more like smart strategy.
It's no different than Goku making the spirit bomb his last attack.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
You may call that cheap but it sounds more like smart strategy.
It's no different than Goku making the spirit bomb his last attack.
I'm not denying it's a smart strategy. I'm just saying that it wasn't what Teach did, or else Shanks would not say it wasn't a cheap-shot.
The point is that the scar was not caused by a cheap shot or surprise attack or trick. It's not that Teach is above doing it or that doing it is dishonorable. The point is that the scar was not caused by it.