D'awww.. this chapter makes me like Hancock much more! And Bepo…....LOL! I loved the colorspread.......
Chapter 582: "Luffy and Ace" Discussion Thread
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Great chapter, quite happy with the pace Oda has chosen as Luffy is already awake and can punch and destroy rocks. Gotta love Bepo, he is definitely becoming one of my favourite characters. I mean who doesn't like a horny bear? :D
And fuck me hah, did not expect Dadan to look like that, at all. Like many have said, wtf was Garp thinking letting a bandit to raise Luffy and thinking he will become a marine? o.O
Interesting points as well with Hancock's love for Luffy, not really caring about her status as an empress as well as Jinbei remembering his promise to Ace and now he has also promised Ivankov that he will make sure Luffy is fully recovered. I'd imagine fully emotionally recovered as well..? So you know, hes gotta stick for a long time :P
As unlikely as it sounds for 2 warlords to join, I really think it could happen… :x
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I shed a tear over poor luffys sorrow : (
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Good Chapter is it me our is luffy maturing a bit in his built id rather an unknown fishman join than jimbei
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The chapter was good! 20 Pages, haven't seen that in awhile didn't expect much from the colorspread but still ended up being kinda disappointed.
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And now Luffy has suffered a tragedy that is almost on par with the rest of his crewmates.
He had his brother die in his hands. He felt the wound on his back. Ace's blood covered his arms. I think he beats everyone else. The only one that comes close is Nami
Luffy's awake already? That was fast… I'd say a good chapter, Oda could have prolonged Luffy's comatose, but he didn't, and finally..
He was comatose for 2 weeks. 2 WEEKS. That's the longest that anyone has been out for a fight. Hell, in real time, it's been 2 months (Ace died in 574) since he's been out. I'm glad to see him up and (some-what) functioning.
Law's role is a mystery to me. I can theorize about the roles of other characters, but I have no idea at all about what Law will be end up being in the plot.
Allies. That's the main purpose of the Supernovas. They will be to Luffy what the New World Captains were to WB when it comes time for the War that will consume the World that WB prophesied.
He may compete with them at some point, but in the end, this is what they'll be, and I think Law will be the first to follow Luffy.
Ugh, I must say that this chapter was pretty lame. It was fun to see Dadan, but that was about it. It was pretty boring seeing Luffy cry half the chapter. I really hope that we get to see the other Strawhats next chapter.
S.M.H.
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i expect luffys bday to be comin up soon. he'll be legal in america!
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i expect luffys bday to be comin up soon. he'll be legal in america!
Legal for what? If it's drinking, that's Canada.
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Allies. That's the main purpose of the Supernovas. They will be to Luffy what the New World Captains were to WB when it comes time for the War that will consume the World that WB prophesied.
S.M.H.
The supernova seem more like Luffy's rivals similar to Whitebeard and Shanks or Roger. People that they have mutual agreements with each other but don't hesitate to attack if they piss each other off, yet when no conflict erupts, they are willing enough to have tea or do each other favors as pirates of the sea. Laws place in this story is befuttling though, he is made out to be a cruel surgeon, but it certainly doesn't seem that way for the moment.
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So, the Sabo thing Ace mentioned could the original Japanese have been translated as Corbo. In any case, I think the flashback will be about that incident and if so somethings going to happen to Ace to make Luffy think he died.
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The supernova seem more like Luffy's rivals similar to Whitebeard and Shanks or Roger. People that they have mutual agreements with each other but don't hesitate to attack if they piss each other off, yet when no conflict erupts, they are willing enough to have tea or do each other favors as pirates of the sea. Laws place in this story is befuttling though, he is made out to be a cruel surgeon, but it certainly doesn't seem that way for the moment.
Being rivals doesn't mean that they can't be Luffy's allies when the time rolls around. For instance, Ace made one of the New World pirate crews surrender single-handedly and they joined in the Whitebeard War. It's very possible the Supernovas will be Luffy's allies in the big war at the end of the series.
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^ yeah, think about gary oak and ash. they were rivals but they still helped each other out like lil pussies ;o
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So even Garp has an ass backwards sense of justice. Blackmail some bandits to train your kids to become marines instead of using actual marines or WG agents?
Does Oda want us to see Garp from this perspective or did he just not think this through?
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@Uncle:
Being rivals doesn't mean that they can't be Luffy's allies when the time rolls around. For instance, Ace made one of the New World pirate crews surrender single-handedly and they joined in the Whitebeard War. It's very possible the Supernovas will be Luffy's allies in the big war at the end of the series.
Didn't say they couldn't be allies as well, but i just don't think allies in the sense that the new world pirates were for Whitebeard, thats what I was getting at. Those pirates are more like underlings that allied, but are separate from the division commanders. I see the supernova's being characters that have there own wills and dreams to follow and if the crews' paths cross, they could easily be friends as much as enemies, where as those new world pirates that joined the battle all respected and called Whitebeard Pops like they served under him long before the war on Marineford.
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garp is the grandfather of luffy. he too is narcoleptic, so i assume he did not think it through lawl
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Loving the chapter length, Bepo's new running gag, and hoping that the flashback addresses Ace's promise to Luffy. Like Robby, Gekko, and others have said, once Oda starts a flashback it's safe to expect something with moving impact.
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So even Garp has an ass backwards sense of justice. Blackmail some bandits to train your kids to become marines instead of using actual marines or WG agents?
Does Oda want us to see Garp from this perspective or did he just not think this through?
Do you really think Garp will let WG or marines take care of Ace and Luffy, the sons of notorious criminals from their point of view? I highly doubt that.
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So even Garp has an ass backwards sense of justice. Blackmail some bandits to train your kids to become marines instead of using actual marines or WG agents?
Does Oda want us to see Garp from this perspective or did he just not think this through?
Garp's probably just wanted to make Ace and Luffy "strong" and did not care about making them well-rounded individuals. Shows that stupidy runs in the blood of the family.
Can't wait to see Dragon making stupid decisions, falling asleep suddenly, having dumb plans and doing idiotic things as well. We all treat the guy as badass, but he's in the Monkey family; he won't escape their curse.
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Great chapter loved it. Luffy griefing. I'm also warming up more and more to Jimbei. Bepo was again hilarious, love the bear. And Dadan. Yeah kinda random how this woman is relevant to the story.
That is what is so great about One Piece. People seem convinced that Blackbeard is the final enemy but it could realistically be Akainu or another Marine.
Here is what I think. And I wouldn't really call it my theory, it's just what Oda has been foreshadowing. Blackbeard is the main contender with Luffy for OP and the PK title. So they'll fight near the end, but that won't be the actual end. The actual end will be a fight of Luffy and his plethora of allies vs the WG (Akainu, Pacifista armies etc + unknown strong people), we might even have guys like Aokiji switch sides by then. Even BB (he is a D afterall and a descendant of the vanquished race) fight alongside Luffy, who knows.
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Can't wait to see Dragon making stupid decisions, falling asleep suddenly, having dumb plans and doing idiotic things as well. We all treat the guy as badass, but he's in the Monkey family; he won't escape their curse.
Maybe the quirks skip a generation, like coolness in the Gol family.
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This chapter and the last one are transitional chapters so not a lot of actual narrative occurred, more like a changing of gears. Still entertaining, of course.
Here is what I think. And I wouldn't really call it my theory, it's just what Oda has been foreshadowing. Blackbeard is the main contender with Luffy for OP and the PK title. So they'll fight near the end, but that won't be the actual end. The actual end will be a fight of Luffy and his plethora of allies vs the WG (Akainu, Pacifista armies etc + unknown strong people), we might even have guys like Aokiji switch sides by then. Even BB (he is a D afterall and a descendant of the vanquished race) fight alongside Luffy, who knows.
I agree with this, though BB teaming up with Luffy never really occurred to me before. I think one thing against that is how much Luffy will hate BB for being the one to capture Ace. Even though Akainu is the one that delivered the fatal blow, it was BB that turned on his crewmates and delivered Ace to the Marines.
And Dadan. Yeah kinda random how this woman is relevant to the story.
Well she's been mentioned about three times before, and since she's one of the people who brought Luffy up, it only makes sense that she'd be relevant somewhere along the line.
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So… how many of you were as surprised by Dadan's revelation as I was? XD
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So, we get a mini arc of flash back. They will probably lead up to the part where Ace and Luffy drank sake and began to act like brothers. Probably we might see a bit more of Ace's early pirate days and his bounty.
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The supernova seem more like Luffy's rivals similar to Whitebeard and Shanks or Roger. People that they have mutual agreements with each other but don't hesitate to attack if they piss each other off, yet when no conflict erupts, they are willing enough to have tea or do each other favors as pirates of the sea. Laws place in this story is befuttling though, he is made out to be a cruel surgeon, but it certainly doesn't seem that way for the moment.
If I did not clarify "in the end" or "Eventually" or some sort of term that would mean "in the long run" then I am sorry.
Of course they're going to be rivals at first. Luffy's personality makes that some-what obvious. But after he becomes the PK, and BB is defeated, What WB foreshadowed will come to be. A war split in two sides: Those who trust the WG and those who believe Luffy. I think Luffy will request help from Law, Kidd, and the rest of the gang, and they will stand by his side. (Along with Dragon and the Revolutionaries, Garp, Coby, Smoker, Ao Kiji, and pretty much anyone else Luffy has ever met. After all, Mihawk did say that Luffy's greatest power was to make allies out of everyone he met.(Side Note: OMFG the end of this series is going to be fucking amazing!)
So yeah….....allies are what they'll end up as.....
So even Garp has an ass backwards sense of justice. Blackmail some bandits to train your kids to become marines instead of using actual marines or WG agents?
Does Oda want us to see Garp from this perspective or did he just not think this through?
Eh, I think that they were all actually good friends in the end. After all, Garp must have trusted them if he was okay with leaving Luffy and Ace there. I think his relationship with them was something along the lines of the one he had with Roger: the law made them enemies, but they were still frineds (Luffy and Coby parallel…?)
I forgot to say this earlier, but as for Jimbei and Hancock joining:
Hancock: Possibly. Jimbei: "Vivi."Hancock I have nothing to say about. But Jimbei....I think he'll join up with the crew up to Fishman Island (not original I know) where he'll pull a Vivi and stay behind to rule and keep order. The WG will allow this because Jimbei was once a Shichibukai, and they'll have seen what FI was like w/o order.
However, while on FI, Oda will use one of his standard new crewmate techniques. This time I think it'll be similar to Chopper. There will be some Fishman who absolutely hates humans/pirates due to all the racism and violence, and probably some family memeber dying at the hands of one--this is where I think Chopper--expect a tearjerking flashback possibly involving the tenryuubito) He'll unwillingly team up with the SHs to overthrow whoever is the big baddie (I really hope it's not Brown Beard, but instead one of Kaidou's men or the Tenryuubito) After which, Luffy will do as he do and some how convince him to join. Enter: New World.
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nooooooooooooo moreeeee membeeeeeeeers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
our crew is solid. if he HAD to recruit someone, recruit camie. she can be a lifeguard
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Who needs assassins if you have Caimie as a lifeguard?
Can't wait to see Dragon making stupid decisions, falling asleep suddenly, having dumb plans and doing idiotic things as well. We all treat the guy as badass, but he's in the Monkey family; he won't escape their curse.
We still don't know the reasons the revolution started, eh?
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Just to restate what someone else as already said, because most people seem to have ignored it, Garp left Luffy and Ace with Dadan rather than the Marines because he was not about to hand over the sons of Dragon and Gold Roger respectively to the WG/Marines. Look what happened when the Marines did eventually get their hands on Ace.
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nooooooooooooo moreeeee membeeeeeeeers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
our crew is solid. if he HAD to recruit someone, recruit camie. she can be a lifeguard
Or Margaret, the ship concubine.
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Bepo for nakama!!!
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Ah…I love having free wi-fi while on vacation. I just got back from the beach and now I get to read a new chapter. Life is good.
Nice chapter.
"Prepare a mountain of the finest cuisine" Well, at least Boa knows Luffy well. XDPoor Bepo...Oda's gotta find him a female. And boy was Luffy in bad shape. He's wrapped up from head to toe like Usopp usually is. It's sad to see him so emotional. But at least he's letting it all out. He'll never be able to move on if he doesn't.
Flashback time! LOL at Garp yanking on Luffy's cheek and Luffy's pathetic hits on him. But I swear, the more I see that pic of Dadan, the more I want to run away screaming. She looks like the guardian from hell. No wonder Luffy doesn't notice women. And with a guardian like that no wonder he and Ace became pirates.
I love how Garp blackmails Dadan and crew into playing guardian. I wonder what they did to deserve that...uh...privilege? And god, Ace really was an emo. He just hid it for a long time under his politeness and his badass devil fruit.
I hate we'll have to wait 2 weeks to see the confrontation. Ah well...
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Few things:
-Bepo is the cutest bear ever!
-Hancock is freaking hilarious!
-Luffy is breaking my heart!
-I am more than happy to wait two weeks for the next chapter, because that week will be a half week of school. WOOT! -
garps haki hurt luffy
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Dadan is my Waifu :3 !
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a good chapter.. can't wait for two weeks…:getlost:
i wonder how dadan raised the two for ace to be missing her..
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Bepo needs a girl, definitely.
Pandawoman, perhaps?
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wtf no moria?? sigh so moria is just another bellamy
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Here is an odd thing in this chapter:
How did Luffy tore off his cheek by pinching it?? He is made of rubber!
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could just be a figure of speech.
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Here is an odd thing in this chapter:
How did Luffy tore off his cheek by pinching it?? He is made of rubber!
Did he use his haki?Nails ?
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well there was a time skip , 10 years but in the past . nice wordplay Oda with the time skip thing. suprized to see luffy's mom.(foster mom) . a nd is is just me or does this seem like kekashi gaiden to anyone.
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What i dont understand is: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/574-53/13
Ace calls Dadan a "he". C-net's translation of 574 also has dadan as a he. Can someone explain this to me?? -
@Gia:
What i dont understand is: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/574-53/13
Ace calls Dadan a "he". C-net's translation of 574 also has dadan as a he. Can someone explain this to me??The Japanese language has a lot of terms that don't specify gender. The translator just assumed it to be a male.
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Oda is amazing, Luffy waking up and his reaction to everything was the most worried I have been about anything in the series and Oda did it masterfully. Luffy going on a rampage but his realization was done superbly as well
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@Gia:
What i dont understand is: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/574-53/13
Ace calls Dadan a "he". C-net's translation of 574 also has dadan as a he. Can someone explain this to me??Well, most people in the English speaking One Piece community have assumed for the longest time that Dadan was a man. This whole time though, in the original Japanese text, Dadan has been refered to in the non-gendered sense: him/her he/her. So they've just been using he thanks to the assumption.
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Oda NEVER said anything about there being a time skip…
He only said that the movie 10 was Luffy's last adventure as a 17 years old guy. All the time skip theories are just speculation by fans based in that affirmation made by Oda.
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To me it reads more like Hancock is putting Luffy above the laws of ther people and will have to make a choice soon.
I'm sure we'll see a disappointment scene when she realizes she can't go. I don't really see it as much of a choice on her part since it's up to Luffy(and given how he is now and just how crew members join I doubt he'll ask or let her).
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@Mark:
wtf no moria?? sigh so moria is just another bellamy
No son, Moria is not another Bellamy.
Moria is a man that has shown great courage fighting like a real God in this war.
Bellamy got OHKO'ed by some fodder Supernova.
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No son, Moria is not another Bellamy.
Moria is a man that has shown great courage fighting like a real God in this war.
Bellamy got OHKO'ed by some fodder Supernova.
and moria got cut like a bitch
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Bellamy got OHKO'ed by some fodder Supernova.
And Moria got OHKO'd by some fodder Fishman. And the same fodder Supernova. And some fodder Emperor.