yes i guess, but rather not in a religous way. its a good thing for certain things to stay mystery cause if i truly knew of an after life, i don't even want to know what i would do. as for "leaving a mark so your never forgotten"; Hitler did an amazing job of that.
Afterlife
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I believe in the afterlife.
I'm glad a lot of people here don't though, more elbow room for me :devil:
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I once read somewhere that every cell in your body is completely different after 7 years. Meaning the you of 7 years ago, or longer, is a completely different body then the you of now.
That being true, makes you think if you have a different body there must be something that connects all of you like your memory.
The fact that you can remember things that happened to you in a different body(Anything beyond 7 years in the past). Means your memory must be somehow separate from your body, otherwise you would forget everything.
So I guess the question is, is the body needed for you to live in a dream like world created by you from your own memories?
Well, I don't know, I'm kind of confusing myself now but I hope there is something, and if there isn't you won't be there to worry about it. :/
I guess I kind of believe in a after world created by yourself out of your own memories. O.o I suppose that kind of makes you a god of your own world. xD
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@CCC:
No. Only mu. Nothingness.
read Death Note before all y'allBut seriously, no. Make your mark now, or not.
Dammit… you beat me to it.
My favorite quote. :happy:
"There's no heaven or hell. No matter what they do in life, those who die will go to the same place. All humans are equal in death." - RyukThat quote is on my Facebook…
I used to be an Atheist (Oh fuck! Please don't start a religious war!) but… that's when I found this awesome and magnificent book called...
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I"ll like to preach that there is an afterlife but I decided to spare you the religious stuff and simply say "Yes"
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Huh, I feel like its a waste of time, effort, and life to live without having to something to show for it in some other life. Though you'd say you're happy you lived but if theres no afterlife and you just cease to exist, there was no point.
I don't really care that life is like some placement exam to where you go, if heaven is as awesome and absolutely perfect as it sounds, I want to try to go there.
This is why I'm glad there's no afterlife, because life having a purpose would take away the whole point of it. We're not living our lives if there's an afterlife; we're living it for a good afterlife and you're an idiot if you believe in the traditional heaven and hell and don't do everything in your power to try to get into heaven because eternity in the most wonderful place imaginable is undoubtedly worth living a slightly crappier few decades. With an afterlife, your entire life is a means to an ends, completely worthless in itself.
Not to say that life isn't worthless, because it is. But that's another argument entirely. I don't like the idea of the bulk of my soul's existence being spend somewhere other than my life anyways. The idea that what we do on Earth is all we've got is really exciting to me. I can't wait to rot in the ground or whatnot.
That and I don't believe in an afterlife in the first place.
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To me, all that happens is you're in the same state of mind as if before you were born. Nothingness, everlasting slumber. Worms eating out your asshole.
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There is an afterlife.
When you die, you go to one of three places:
Heaven, for those who lived a good life without any major crimes or moral setbacks and those whose lives were unjustly taken from them;
Purgatory, for those who were good but were slightly flawed in some areas (If you get to Purgatory, you're guaranteed a spot in Heaven. It's just a matter of time until you're completely purified of your minor sins.);
or Hell, for those who were majorly flawed and refused to accept the truth, where they suffer for all eternity.
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Captain Hypersock, why are you confident in saying that those are THE THREE afterlives? There's never been any proof of them, besides some old guy a few thousand years ago that preached some hokey shit that involved heaven, hell and purgatory.
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Captain Hypersock, why are you confident in saying that those are THE THREE afterlives? There's never been any proof of them, besides some old guy a few thousand years ago that preached some hokey shit that involved heaven, hell and purgatory.
I'm confident because I believe in the truth.
Do some research on reports of heaven, purgatory, and hell. You'll find some cool stuff.
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No, it makes life pointless.
If you wanna live forever just remember this:
"When does a man die? When he is hit by a bullet? No. When he suffers a disease? No. When he ate a soup made out of a poisonous mushroom? No! A man dies when he is forgotten!" -Dr Hiluluk -
I once read somewhere that every cell in your body is completely different after 7 years. Meaning the you of 7 years ago, or longer, is a completely different body then the you of now.
That being true, makes you think if you have a different body there must be something that connects all of you like your memory.
The fact that you can remember things that happened to you in a different body(Anything beyond 7 years in the past). Means your memory must be somehow separate from your body, otherwise you would forget everything.
This is garbage, it's not a different life, the functioning of the brain and life never stops or gets reset, it just sheds old worn out cells, the fucntions never cease.
I hate when people take half-understood science ands try to make bizarre pseudo intellectual nonsense out of it.
refused to accept the truth
This an apsurd reason for anyone to be sent to hell. It has no justification whatsoever except to make people like you feel like you're one upping those no good naysayers.
I'm confident because I believe in the truth.
Do some research on reports of heaven, purgatory, and hell. You'll find some cool stuff.
There is no evidence whatsoever that closes the discussion of wether god or an afterlife exists, anyone who thinks they know it as fact (or believes in ridiculous psuedo-science "research on the subject") is a fool.
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I believe in afterlife, eternity. What reason do I have to not believe?
That is to say, if I die, it's not like I have anything else to hope for, I wish for the best. The factual side of never-ending issues like this one is of course useless, you can never prove to someone, that something exists, unless they see it for themselves. And there really is no evidence that God exists, that's right.
But belief is what keeps people on their feet. If people in the past refused and contradicted to everything, can you imagine what a boring pile of gay their lives would be?I like the Greek's theory on afterlife, though. The concept is simple and just.
The Elysian Fields - eternal happiness, you lived a caring life, you will no longer feel pain
The Asphodel Meadows - you were a neutral-on-everything, boring person and therefore you will be treated as such
Tartarus - you were a selfish piece of shit, you fucked up big time, enjoy rotting for eternity while ravens peck at your liver -
But belief is what keeps people on their feet.
Belief in supernatural/metaphysical/afterlife rewards is entirely unrequired to be kept on one's feet, happy, or otherwise motivated in life.
The thought that they are needed is pure myth.
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Belief in supernatural/metaphysical/afterlife rewards is entirely unrequired to be kept on one's feet, happy, or otherwise motivated in life.
The thought that they are needed is pure myth.
Very true. Glad to see others get it. I try explaining this to others but they just don't get it.
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I'm confident because I believe in the truth.
Do some research on reports of heaven, purgatory, and hell. You'll find some cool stuff.
Didn't the Pope abolish purgatory?
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Didn't the Pope abolish purgatory?
I believe he only abolished the concept of unbaptized babies going to Purgatory.
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Are we talking cool John Paul or the new guy who bringing back the sale of indulgences?
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This is why I'm glad there's no afterlife, because life having a purpose would take away the whole point of it. We're not living our lives if there's an afterlife; we're living it for a good afterlife and you're an idiot if you believe in the traditional heaven and hell and don't do everything in your power to try to get into heaven because eternity in the most wonderful place imaginable is undoubtedly worth living a slightly crappier few decades. With an afterlife, your entire life is a means to an ends, completely worthless in itself.
Not to say that life isn't worthless, because it is. But that's another argument entirely. I don't like the idea of the bulk of my soul's existence being spend somewhere other than my life anyways. The idea that what we do on Earth is all we've got is really exciting to me. I can't wait to rot in the ground or whatnot.
That and I don't believe in an afterlife in the first place.
Like I said, my opinion.
Though really, what's better? The possibility of eternal perfect life after death or living out your existence on earth and that being the end of it? For putting up with the shit of this world for a lifetime don't you want something out of it? Though I understand a lot of people don't and don't care because they don't beleive. And like I said before, their opinion.
What it says in the bible is there some sort of afterlife, it gets referred to as Hades a lot (though there's another term for it, every time it gets brought up there's such an argument about it). There's a good side and a bad side. It's like a holding pen for souls until the judgment day. When you die you don't automatically go to heaven or hell, we've all got to go through the judgment first.
Personally it sounds totally reasonable to me. Much moresoe then the rapture, which is alot of crock imo.
It's reasonable to me because I have faith. I honestly don't give a crap about the "logical" and "scientific" side of things so don't waste a post trying to convince me otherwise because I really don't care. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone from the bible thumpers to the hardest atheist. I just say beleive what you want to beleive and in the end we're either gonna reap the benefits or suffer the consequences.
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Though really, what's better? The possibility of eternal perfect life after death or living out your existence on earth and that being the end of it?
Life is better then some plastic endless thing.
For putting up with the shit of this world for a lifetime don't you want something out of it?
See, because I don't subscribe to perfection in the after, this means I don't view the world we live in as a cartoony Berserk style garbage dump.
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You're not making much sense to me.I don't exactly view the world as a cartoony Beserk style garbage dump either... Eh, I'm just now really learning how to be content with myself and the world around me, I've lived my entire life thinking life sucks, everything is shit and it's a hellhole. Totally crappy way to look at life. Really want to take and make something out of it.
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You're not making much sense to me.I don't exactly view the world as a cartoony Beserk style garbage dump either... Eh, I'm just now really learning how to be content with myself and the world around me, I've lived my entire life thinking life sucks, everything is shit and it's a hellhole. Totally crappy way to look at life. Really want to take and make something out of it.
That's good. I think regardless of religious and afterlife oriented beliefs we should learn to appreciate and care what goes on in the here and now.
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I think regardless of religious and afterlife oriented beliefs we should learn to appreciate and care what goes on in the here and now.
Now that's a good way to think about it.
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Yeah, this is me.
I do think humans will eventually evolve out of the need for an afterlife, though…when we all become robots. :ninja:
There was an interesting paper published awhile ago that studied the evolution of religion (and things like the afterlife), and it came to the conculsion that humanity would eventually evolve out of the need for a God and all things realted too him.
@DanialG:
To me, all that happens is you're in the same state of mind as if before you were born. Nothingness, everlasting slumber. Worms eating out your asshole.
this is essantially my belief as well. or atleast what I would like to happen.
No, it makes life pointless.
If you wanna live forever just remember this:
"When does a man die? When he is hit by a bullet? No. When he suffers a disease? No. When he ate a soup made out of a poisonous mushroom? No! A man dies when he is forgotten!" -Dr HilulukThat is so true.
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There was an interesting paper published awhile ago that studied the evolution of religion (and things like the afterlife), and it came to the conculsion that humanity would eventually evolve out of the need for a God and all things realted too him.
I disagree in that I think positive secularism for a society comes out of social stability.
I don't really care if theism dies out, but I would like to see organized religion go extinct.
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I disagree in that I think positive secularism for a society comes out of social stability.
I don't really care if theism dies out, but I would like to see organized religion go extinct.
Well the idea was that it would happen over hundreds of years, with the expansion of technology and science throughout the world, and a paradigm shift in how we perceive things.
I second that extinction as well btw.
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I believe he only abolished the concept of unbaptized babies going to Purgatory.
I did a bit of research and it went hand in hand. No more purgatory and dead babies get redirected to heaven. But what do I care? I'm a secular Jew.
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Did someone just said they've done research on heaven and hell, confirming it exist?!
The fuck? How naive…
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As I said before, I do believe in an afterlife but I'm not going to say any specifics because there's no way to prove any of this. That's like the people that say their religion is the right one, there's no proof of that. Anyone who says they know for sure what the afterlife is is naïve just as was said above.
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I'm confident because I believe in the truth.
Do some research on reports of heaven, purgatory, and hell. You'll find some cool stuff.
So basically you're a sheep.
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In all honesty I'm an eternal optimist and thus lean towards reincarnation. I have no proof whatsoever but Heaven sounds boring and I'd really just like to keep on living and enjoying myself.
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If you say that for certain an afterlife exists because you have faith, then you have essentially destroyed the very foundation of your religion, no matter what it is.
Because in that same sentence, you have obliterated faith.
No good Christian can say, "Yes, there is a Heaven or Hell. They exist. The end."
You can believe they exist.
You may have faith in the fact that they exist.
But you do not know that they do nor can you state that they do.
I'm comfortable enough with the extent of my belief in Christianity to admit it's flawed.
Whether you believe the Old Testament writings or not, even if God is a perfect being that in its flawlessness interacted with us, we are still imperfect beings handling/interpreting those interactions and therefore, we flaw it, even if the base is rooted in something perfect.
If you're a real Christian and not some wacko Fundamentalist, you would say you believe in Heaven, not just throw out 700 Club vomittings like, "Heaven exists and that's the end of discussion."
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We already have proof heaven exists.
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Oh man, they're so bad.
and so good.
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Or will they just torture themselves with self-convinced dissatisfaction for a hollow goal that leaves them feeling empty if they are even able to achieve it in the first place.
Sounds like a common theme for people facing death.
Most people have some kind of regrets when reflecting on life. Some regret not only the past that happened, but the past that didn't.
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idk i don't believe some one sends good people to heaven bad people to hell although i'd like to believe that because that would mean bad people get what they deserve
i believe there is something after life i just don't know what it's like
all i know is i don't diss peoples beliefs let people live how they want to people should have the right to live their life the way they want (this is also why i believe gay marriage should be allowed)
the only thing i won't except is killing because your religion says you should a life is a life and if it's not yours then don't take it
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In all honesty I'm an eternal optimist and thus lean towards reincarnation. I have no proof whatsoever but Heaven sounds boring and I'd really just like to keep on living and enjoying myself.
I'd be all up for reincarnation.
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The inherent problem with reincarnation is that it is no better than non-existence, assuming that you lose your memory as well. To lose one's memories of being and experiences is to lose one's self. What if we are reincarnations of others? Then those lives are meaningless to us now as our identity has been crafted around our experiences within this life time. Even if you were to remember a detail of a previous life, it would still be within the context of this one and thus irrelevant to your prior existence. Thus you could conclude the same of your next life, that your current self would be nigh completely washed away.
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So basically you're a sheep.
Go ahead and say it. Just respond with "I'm a sheep."Well, the Lord is my Shepherd, so… in a way, I guess you could say that.
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@DanialG:
We already have proof heaven exists.
http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/import/season_06/sp_0612_13_v6.jpgAmericans conquered the Moon.
Japanese conquered Heaven.Score: Japanese: 666 / Americans: 5
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Pretty good thread for everyone involved who isn't Captain Hypersock and his inane ravings about heaven research.
Baps all around.
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I'm so going snake way when I die.
Edit- On a serious note though, I agree with Greg's second to last post. I think to be a good christian you do have to question your faith at times and figure out on your own what you should follow. Being raised as a Catholic I know how badly a group can fuck up a religion.
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I'm actually strangely (unhealthly?) fascinated with growing trends in non-denominational undogmatic free thinking Christianity.
Maybe it's because I'm writing an epic based off secularism and "death of god" stuff that actually features an existing god.
Can I interview a nigga.
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I agree with Greg also. If you believe fully, 100% in God, then your belief can't be real because you haven't really thought about it and are just following blindly.
That said, I'm agnostic. I believe that even if an omnipresent being exists, he has no effect on the world or doesn't care to have any effect on the world.
I haven't really made up my mind about an afterlife, but I hope it doesn't exist.
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I'm actually strangely (unhealthly?) fascinated with growing trends in non-denominational undogmatic free thinking Christianity.
Probably has to do with easier communications and networks where you can look up facts on your religion that you start to see the discrepancies where the church has changed something to benefit themselves instead of just having a pastor feed you what the church wants you to believe every week. Like I said I was raised Catholic and am still probably most closely Catholic in religion, but there's so many hypocrisies within the Vatican that it's ridiculous to follow them blindly. There have been so many splits from a base religion that you just can't follow one religion to the letter and expect it to be 100% right. I believe in God, Jesus, and the general teachings of the bible, but anything that involves man will always be tainted with some untruths.
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Dunno. I never want to think about it because it scares me.
It's funny. I'm scared of thinking about the afterlife, but as a writer, I've had an entire series dealing with the afterlife brewing in my head for the past 5 years.
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Generally? I don't think a lot about the afterlife. I'm just more focused on the present moment, I guess. If you're asking me about what I expect to see after I'm dead and gone, I would say that almost anything is possible.
Don't really have much of a religion right now, I'm more of a fence sitter. : ] Used to be a Christian but I stopped going to church a few years back because of some things.
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@DanialG:
To me, all that happens is you're in the same state of mind as if before you were born. Nothingness, everlasting slumber. Worms eating out your asshole.
Haha i hope worms weren't eating out your asshole before you were born.
On the subject of the topic…I'm an atheist, but I kind of do believe in an afterlife simply because I want to. Some people say that takes away the meaning of normal life, but I definitely don't agree. I think being in total nothingness after you die takes away the point of living since once your life is over it's seriously over..you won't remember a thing, you'll just be "dust in the wind" so to speak. I personally don't wanna be dust in the wind...so you could say this is a fear based belief if you wanted to. Doesn't really matter what I think about the afterlife though...because honestly I think about that shit less than 2 minutes a day.