The War With Whitebeard

[brennen.exe]

@Ivotas:

No but seriously, someone of Wolfs size shouldn't drown if he transforms a couple of meters away from the shore. I doubt that he would even be submerged in water enough to be weakened.

Haha, that's a good point. In shallow enough water, which is pretty much anywhere for someone his size, he should be able to stand up and walk. Still, I have my doubts.

@S7evin:

What if he's […] a ship that somehow absorbed the power of […] a (giant?) devil fruit?

Hmm. While this is certainly plausible, it rides on whether or not other variants of that type of fruit exist, which I am leaning towards no. All the Zoan's that had variants were "models"; ie: Inu Inu Fruit: Model Jackel, etc. The Zoan's that do not have variants lack models; ie: Uma Uma Fruit. Chopper's fruit (Human Zoan) was one of the latter, lacking a model. Had Oda planned to make other variants, he would (should) have planned ahead by making it something like, "Homo Homo Fruit: Model Human" and "Homo Homo Fruit: Model Giant" or some such. (Referring to the genus 'homo'). Other than that, Devil Fruit items are a recent invention, so him being in prison would have to be a fairly recent thing…

[mickgreen58]

@S7evin:

What if he's not originally a human/giant/etc. but a ship that somehow absorbed the power of e.g. a giant devil fruit? That way, he wouldn't have to turn into anything when getting into the water, he would just revert into his original form.

Very interesting theory.

But I just have a question, if San Juan Wolf is indeed a DF Ship type, how can he be used to get to the New World?

You have to get your ship coated to go underneath water and to me, that blows up the theory about him being a battleship because as soon as he goes underwater, he would sink like a hammer.

Unless of course, they plan on getting a ship just for getting to the New World and then using San Juan Wolf after that.

[Cutty Fram]

I'm curious to know how this arc will end.

[mickgreen58]

@Cutty:

I'm curious to know how this arc will end.

Me too.

To go further, I wonder if it will lead to Fishman Island or will the next Arcs focus on the "whereabouts" of the crew.

I think it will transition to the whereabouts of the crew and then the SHs will enter Fishman Island together.

I cannot wait to get the reaction of the crew regarding this epic arc.

[Twisted Vixen]

So I was just thinking…if San Juan Wolf, by some chance, doesn't have a ship DF how the hell are they going to get someone that huge on any ship in the vicinity?! :wassat:

[Urouge]

Am I still alone on the idea that he's a transformer?

[madmanricky]

i was thinking he was a wotan

[Ivotas]

Can someone plays explain to me what a wotan is? I know who Wotan is but I have no idea what a wotan (in terms of being a race) is supposed to be. Some input here would be nice.

[brennen.exe]

@Ivotas:

Can someone plays explain to me what a wotan is? I know who Wotan is but I have no idea what a wotan (in terms of being a race) is supposed to be. Some input here would be nice.

A fishman giant. Or a half giant, half fishman. Big Pan was one.

[[B]Chapter 310]
Nami: That's the first time I've ever seen a "Wotan" before.
Robin: It doesn't seem as large as a pure-blooded giant.
Tubifex: Big-Pan's skin is slippery because he has the blood of a loach running in his veins!

[Deicide]

@Ivotas:

Can someone plays explain to me what a wotan is? I know who Wotan is but I have no idea what a wotan (in terms of being a race) is supposed to be. Some input here would be nice.

They're giant/fishmen crossbreeds. The only Wotan shown so far was Big Pan (I think), the "giant" of the Davy Back FIght (who fought Sanji and Zoro).

@madmanricky:

i was thinking he was a wotan

I have the same idea.

[Ivotas]

@brennen.exe:

A fishman giant. Or a half giant, half fishman. Big Pan was one.

@Deicide:

They're giant/fishmen crossbreeds. The only Wotan shown so far was Big Pan (I think), the "giant" of the Davy Back FIght (who fought Sanji and Zoro).

I know who Big-Pan was and I also know that he was labeled as wotan. What I wanted to know is if there's an definition of a wotan outside of One Piece. I always thought is stood for something specific. And no I'm not refering to being a giant/fishman crossbreed because it strikes me as weird to call him wotan and giant/fishman in the same breath if it's supposed to mean one and the same thing.

[brennen.exe]

@Ivotas:

I know who Big-Pan was and I also know that he was labeled as wotan. What I wanted to know is if there's an definition of a wotan outside of One Piece.

Then why'd you say you know who Wotan is? And then ask what a wotan was (as in a race)…? YOU ARE CONFUSING! >:O

[Zik]

Here you go Ivotas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wotan

I didn't even know it was a real word outside of OP until you asked.

[Ivotas]

@brennen.exe:

Then why'd you say you know who Wotan is? And then ask what a wotan was (as in a race)…? YOU ARE CONFUSING! >:O

Because as I said in my second post, I didn't consider a wotan and a giant/fishman crossbreed to be one and the same thing. Just that one and the same character is labeled as both. Like for instance Kuma is a cyborg and at the same time is a tyrant. Or was I that explenation confusing again? :unsure:

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

Here you go Ivotas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wotan

I didn't even know it was a real word outside of OP until you asked.

Thanks, I'm familiar with that though. Which is why I said I know who Wotan is.

[Zik]

@Ivotas:

Thanks, I'm familiar with that though. Which is why I said I know who Wotan is.

That link contains several different meanings for the word so it also answered what wotan is.

[Ivotas]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

That link contains several different meanings for the word so it also answered what wotan is.

No it doesn't. At least not one that makes sense in our context.

[Airflow]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

Here you go Ivotas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wotan

I didn't even know it was a real word outside of OP until you asked.

….wtf is epic metal?

[Ivotas]

@Airflow101:

….wtf is epic metal?

Whitebeard in an armor suit made of Wapometal perhaps? :wassat:

[Airflow]

I'm imagining screaming 20somethings, mascara dripping down their face.

Metalhead 1: I'm tried of this black metal shit, I need something heavier!!!
Metalhead 2: Dude, you've got too listen to this, the vocalist screams so loud it burst my eardrums! The guitarists fingers were moving so fact they fell off! But it needs a name…
Metalhead: EPIC METAL DUDE!!!!

and history was born

[Zik]

@Ivotas:

No it doesn't. At least not one that makes sense in our context.

What do you mean our context? You asked for something outside of OP.

If you're still looking for some relation from the word to OP then I'd say Oda just came across it and decided to use it.
@Airflow101:

….wtf is epic metal?

Just as it implies I guess. Epic metal music.
@Airflow101:

I'm imagining screaming 20somethings, mascara dripping down their face.

Metalhead 1: I'm tried of this black metal shit, I need something heavier!!!
Metalhead 2: Dude, you've got too listen to this, the vocalist screams so loud it burst my eardrums! The guitarists fingers were moving so fact they fell off! But it needs a name…
Metalhead: EPIC METAL DUDE!!!!

and history was born

Yeah probably this lol.

[Ivotas]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

What do you mean our context? You asked for something outside of OP.

How to explain that best? Let's the Kuma example again. Let's assume that I've never heart of the term "tyrant" before and have thus absolutely no comprehension of it. Then I see Kuma getting labeled as such without any explenation what the term actually means. So I'd ask somebody to tell me about its meaning. And that can be explained without any references to One Piece (that's the "outside of One Piece" part). Once I understand it I am able to see a certain new quality in Kuma that I didn't see before (that's the "our context" part).

And that's what I was asking for Big-Pan who was labeled as a wotan. I was asking if there's a certain meaning of the term that gives the character a quality I didn't see before? Since as I said I never thought that wotan has the equal meaning as giant/fishman crossbreed. Understand where I'm coming from now?

[Zik]

@Ivotas:

How to explain that best? Let's the Kuma example again. Let's assume that I've never heart of the term "tyrant" before and have thus absolutely no comprehension of it. Then I see Kuma getting labeled as such without any explenation what the term actually means. So I'd ask somebody to tell me about its meaning. And that can be explained without any references to One Piece (that's the "outside of One Piece" part). Once I understand it I am able to see a certain new quality in Kuma that I didn't see before (that's the "our context" part).

And that's what I was asking for Big-Pan who was labeled as a wotan. I was asking if there's a certain meaning of the term that gives the character a quality I didn't see before? Since as I said I never thought that wotan has the equal meaning as giant/fishman crossbreed. Understand where I'm coming from now?

If you're still looking for some relation from the word to OP then I'd say Oda just came across it and decided to use it.

. .

[Ivotas]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

If you're still looking for some relation from the word to OP then I'd say Oda just came across it and decided to use it.

It would appear so. I really thought it had a specific meaning since I've noticed it several times now that people said they would like to see more wotans in One Piece.

[Big_Bad_Lith]

god damn you guys sound like a couple of drunks arguing.

"What's a Wotan?"
"It's a fishman-giant."
"I knew that."
"Then why'd you ask?"
"I meant outside of One Piece what is a wotan."
"Go look it up."
looks it up
"That only told me who is was."
"Then there you go."
"But I knew that, that's why I asked what it was not who."
"But you said you knew what is was."
"But I want to know what it is outside of One Piece."
"I already told you!"
"That wasn't the answer I was looking for!"

lololololololo

[Yonkou3]

3uSdQxKaBfU

They should play this during Whitebeards death in the anime.

[doppleganger]

I have a feeling that there will be one more twist before this war is over. You guys have any ideas to what this may be?

These are the top theories one what they may be:

• Enel will make his grand entrance and his arc will crash down into marine-ford

• an admiral will be killed

• luffy tries to eat jimbei in his sleep because he smells of fish

• ace didn't die quite yet and self destructs, so the pirates are able to get away safely from the marines (vegeta style)

• just when we think they can flee the pacifistas surround the pirates on the other side making escape nearly impossible

[MetaMario]

Only the last one seems possible, but then again, we haven't seen the Pacfista in a while…..:ninja:

[GaaraofTheDesert]

Croc becomes the WB pirates captain.

[loledinmypants]

The only "twist" I can see happening is Croc's history w/ Whitebeard getting revealed.

[Zik]

@doppleganger:

I have a feeling that there will be one more twist before this war is over. You guys have any ideas to what this may be?

I too thought someone else would show up and play an important role but it seems Oda's wrapping this war up with the narration boxes.

• Enel will make his grand entrance and his arc will crash down into marine-ford

So much of the fandom have been telegraphing some of Oda's revelations(Ace & WB die, Akainu magma/lava DF, etc.) in this war if this happened he'd become predictable.

I'd love Enel's return but right now would be over doing it. I mean what's next Enel is WB's biological son too?

• an admiral will be killed

No.

• ace didn't die quite yet and self destructs, so the pirates are able to get away safely from the marines (vegeta style)

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

• just when we think they can flee the pacifistas surround the pirates on the other side making escape nearly impossible

There really should be more pacifista present. Seems like they've stopped attacking.

[Johnny B. Decent]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

There really should be more pacifista present. Seems like they've stopped attacking.

Probably because most of them are dead.

[Cyan D. Funk]

@S.C.:

Probably because most of them are dead.

I recall only seeing one dead. True, Manlybeard might've taken a few more out when he split the island apart, but we don't know that.

[Johnny B. Decent]

@Cyan:

I recall only seeing one dead. True, Manlybeard might've taken a few more out when he split the island apart, but we don't know that.

If memory serves correct, we've seen New Worlders take out at least two, plus after Hancock kills that other one, Sentomaru complains that she was "taking them out left and right".

That exact quote is iffy, but I remember him saying she killed a lot of them.

[SMUDGE]

@S.C.:

Probably because most of them are dead.

More likely they are being overshadowed by the sheer importance of the current scene.

[Johnny B. Decent]

@SMUDGE:

More likely they are being overshadowed by the sheer importance of the current scene.

Yeah, that is true too.

[Zik]

Well either way. I didn't see a lot of them die/destroyed so if they're just standing around sympathizing with the WB pirates Vegapunk sent out an incomplete product and if most of them are done for there should've been more.

[doppleganger]

If there is another twist in the war, what do you think it will be?

Here are my theories:

• enel will make his grand entrance and crash his arc into marine hq

• an admiral will die

• ace is infact alive and with the last ounce of strength self-destructs, so the pirates can escape safely

• just as the pirates are close to the shore the pacifistas appear and block their exit. They all realize that they are surrounded by the pacifistas and retreating becomes that much more difficult.

• luffy tries to devour jimbei in his sleep because he smells of fish

[loledinmypants]

@doppleganger:

If there is another twist in the war, what do you think it will be?

Here are my theories:

• enel will make his grand entrance and crash his arc into marine hq

• an admiral will die

• ace is infact alive and with the last ounce of strength self-destructs, so the pirates can escape safely

• just as the pirates are close to the shore the pacifistas appear and block their exit. They all realize that they are surrounded by the pacifistas and retreating becomes that much more difficult.

• luffy tries to devour jimbei in his sleep because he smells of fish

Didn't this already get merged w/ the war discussion? inb4lock

[Urouge]

Why on earth did you post this two more times? Two whole new threads, too.

http://apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1500377#post1500377

[doppleganger]

How did you reply the instant I made this thread? lol…

[Badass SnoCone]

OOOH can I? This will be my first one! Here goes:

inb4lock

[MetaMario]

How the-

Oop, everyone's always said it.

[Ivotas]

I like to use this thread as a reminder of my old suggestion to implement a feature that disables certain users of starting new threads.

[puffin]

@Badass:

inb4lock

In before…...

Nevermind.
EDIT: I voted Luffy eats Jimbei

[antiravage]

Shiryu kills Mihawk.

[Retardia]

Sengoku join BB.

[Badass SnoCone]

The final twist in the war? Hancock finding out she is pregnant with Luffy's love child.

[wintergt]

Catarina Devon is pregnant with Magellan's baby.

[BroBro]

in b4 lock…... (:

awww

[Retardia]

This more likely going into dumb predictions thread. :o