Powerup Predictions and Discussion

Mingo22

E [Energy, power] = m [weight] x c [speed]²

Means that if you double the weight you double your power
but if you double your speed you multiply by 4 your power

its not weight dum dum. Weight is determined by Mass + Graviational force and/or velocity.

E = Energy
M = Mass
C = Speed of light

Edit – Nevermind i see everyone has already been over this.

@Coolnerd89:

Power ups don't mean uber training, you gain battle experience the longer you fight and normally when you do fight, you tend to get better. And no that wasn't a DBZ reff, for christs sake…
You can train your body to an extant but one must also train the mind. So in lament terms, Luffy and Zoro will max out when they get totally beefy.
In all seriousness, they just need to learn some new moves, that might help.
Even a pebble can crush a boulder if it hits it right.

Thats some weird physics you are talking about there…. Too much naruto much?

@Kingoffans:

Since when >.> Unless you haven't noticed, he only uses Gears as a last resort because he knows they fuck him up. Regardless, he can still fight creatively while using the Gears. Like Gigant Jet Shell.

every "boss" fight is a fight of last resorts. So he's used it for every major fight since its creation. How ever we dnt see any Gum Gum Octo/baka any more.

@notactuallytom:

Without one seastone sword, how is he supposed to fight logias? Also, I'm pretty sure hawkeye's sword is seastone and possibly the black one zoro recieved on thriller bark. After all, it was said it's greatest characteristic was it's hardness and seastone is supposed to be as hard as diamond and it's black. Not an unreasonable presumption, I think.

Do you actually read one piece -.-

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/18-19/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/07/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/08/

Khamolen

Hey brainiac, those chapters didn't exist when notactuallytom made that post.

Chopper Madness

in regards to robins power ups i to was dissapointed in lack of assaination like style but shes hasnt reached her potential of growing strange body parts

mastering wings so they last several min insteads of sec
mastering the gian arm and fist technique
other odd appendages people dont have but she could learn to create by combining lots of hands or feet or something

Kishido

Seeing that WB top commanders seem to have all haki I bet at least Zoro and Sanji will get it as well maybe later on the others too

Chopper Madness

they will all probly get some sort of haki boost… most of them will porlly pick up one haki trick

like ussop using haki infused fire star pahcinkos

batkins

Franky with Red Bull = Wins

RomanceDawn

I said it the moment Nami got Kuma'd to sky island. But she is going to come back with the ability to ride upon clouds like Goku. But only for a short bit of time. And only after she figures out how to use the ONE dial Usopp couldn't use back down on the blue sea, that milky dial, or some cloud based dial.

Devil Fruit Tree

@Chopper:

they will all probly get some sort of haki boost… most of them will porlly pick up one haki trick

like ussop using haki infused fire star pahcinkos

I feel like Usopp is the LEAST likely to ever control haki. Haki is your mental fortitude and ambition. Usopp has so little that he was immune to Perona's ghosts. I could be wrong though, maybe the ghosts are a different thing.

wolfwood

Sogeking will be the one who controls their haki:ninja:

Badass SnoCone

@batkins:

Franky with Red Bull = Win_g_s

I fixed that for you.

enel16

hmm I too think that the crew are in need of power ups if they are to make it in the new world.

Luffy - more giant jet attacks
Zoro - seastone infused weapons?
Sanji - The metal tipped shoes idea is brilliant whoever said that
Nami - more weather attacks and that knot thingy that makes wind
Ussop - I really don't see any real power ups for him except maybe for more dials and what not
Chopper - Two new rumble balls, one that allows him to control MP and one for luffy to use his gear second for 3 minutes with no bodily damage
Robin - Clones.
Franky - he'll make a new drink
Brook - no idea

freedom

@Mingo22:

Haki naturally will play a role in the power ups. Which is kind of sad. It'll be like DBZ. But hopefully thats not the case.

And how exactly will 'haki' be like DBZ? Have you actually read or seen DB/Z?

I for one think Usopp will incorperate the man eater plants he comes across on his little adventure. Shooting sprouts that miracle grow when they collide with the target. :o He'll become a little jungle man with his super large slingshot. Plus it'll make for interesting strategies.

I'd imagine that living in a jungle like that, and with the help of Herackles (who seems completely content in such a dangerous environment), will help Usopp sharper his sniper skills. This experience may also help his courage. Not that he'll be Luffy, but perhaps he will only have his ridiculous anxiety when it's either really funny, or really serious, instead of all the time.

Zoro is basically a monster. Most he'll get his haki or technique. Same with Luffy.
Sanji may learn a bit of okama kempo on top of his black leg style. Hopefully making him more versatile.

From Rayleigh's introduction, the introduction of ambition ('haki'), and now that we know WB's commanders also utilize ambition. I've envisioned that at a minimum, both Zoro and Sanji would be ambition users.

Naturally Oda will think up so fancy logic of why nami can do other weather phenomena with her climatact and fun new items like the wind string. Which is beyond logic 0-0. But its one piece so whatev'

So…you just complained about ambition turning OP into DBZ, yet you don't know about the wind knots. It's totally out of DB - the Basho Fan I believe is what it was called there.

Chopper probably will master his monster beast form so he can control it. Hopefully he can get in touch with his inner animal and come up with new ways to "transform". Maybe additional techniques on what he's got.

I've always wanted Chopper to learn the Life Return / Bio Feedback stuff that Lucci and Kumadori utilized back in the EL arc.

Franky is a no brainer.

Seems that way :happy:

Brook was shown writing a song and he hasnt faught much so i hope we see more out of him. He's kind of like a bard from an mmorpg 0.o.

While Brook has an awesome design when we first meet him. Afterwards, I'm actually a little surprised at his limitations. But perhaps, Oda has some stuff planned for him that just isn't that obvious. He's a swordsman, and he's lightening fast, light, and can run on water. Not to mention, he can play songs that affect his enemies. So perhaps he'll get a repertoire of songs he can use. But I'd also like to see a way for him to strengthen his attacks.

Robin is the biggest disappointment of the crew. She was introduced as an assassin and has a great skill for it. But the SH's arnt about assassinations. So she doesn't come into play very often. Its a real let down. Only SH in a serious NEED for revamping. Honestly i can't think of what she could possibly do. Her skill would only really be useful to a power house boxer.

I think you're being a little unfair to Robin. Her almost Mary Sue like abilities gives Oda tons of potential. For example, in her fights on Thriller Bark, she showed us her ability to fly, even if for only a few seconds, it's still a new ability. And she showed us she can create giants arms in her fight with Moria.
Her biggest limitation right now is not being able to move while create other limbs. If you take just this away, she's a whole other beast IMO. Lots of potential, I'm anxoius to see where Oda takes her.

BekaDidAct

It's pretty obvious that Moria is going to get one hell of a power-up!

even though he doesn't really need one.

Narrator

IMO, think it's certainly plausible for the Climatact to eat a weather element or weather inducing DF, that or more dials, but it's kind of a stretch, I'd like to see how far Oda can take Nami's abilities without DFs

5_Of_Spades

@freedom:

So…you just complained about ambition turning OP into DBZ, yet you don't know about the wind knots. It's totally out of DB - the Basho Fan I believe is what it was called there.

Well to be fair, the Fan is out of the original Journey to the West legend, which borrowed heavily from folklore, taoism, and various Indian religions. Funny how we all accept the wind knot, but get all worked up over haki, when both are equally "magical".

But no, One Piece will never turn into DBZ. DBZ's problem wasn't kai, it was the story format.

GetsugaZoro

@BekaDidAct:

It's pretty obvious that Moria is going to get one hell of a power-up!

even though he doesn't really need one.

So you really only made your account to write someting about Moria everytime you post? you are a genius son i am proud of you, go to corner naw…

freedom

@5_Of_Spades:

Well to be fair, the Fan is out of the original Journey to the West legend, which borrowed heavily from folklore, taoism, and various Indian religions. Funny how we all accept the wind knot, but get all worked up over haki, when both are equally "magical".

Ah ok. I didn't know where that Basho Fan was originally from, but even when it was used in DB, it was obvious that it was from folklore. Thanks for the tip.

But no, One Piece will never turn into DBZ. DBZ's problem wasn't ki, it was the story format.

This, my friend, is definitely hitting the nail on the head for what for I think a lot of people deem 'bad' about DB.

On the topic of Nami and upgrades, I liked the idea that someone mentioned about Nami being able to utilize the cloud dial. Not sure if that's what it's called, but that would be pretty sweet if she could make use of it.

Warrior's Soul Ryuuma

proberly been said but what if Nami tied to rods of the clima tact together with the wind string so she could spin on fo the rods really fast n creat alot more orbs?

Cyborg_Franky

@batkins:

Franky with Red Bull = Wins

lol this made me think of franky vs basco shot
(switch cola with sake that is)

and we can have a great drunk fight!

Cyborg_Franky

@enel16:

hmm I too think that the crew are in need of power ups if they are to make it in the new world.

Luffy - more giant jet attacks
Zoro - seastone infused weapons?
Sanji - The metal tipped shoes idea is brilliant whoever said that
Nami - more weather attacks and that knot thingy that makes wind
Ussop - I really don't see any real power ups for him except maybe for more dials and what not
Chopper - Two new rumble balls, one that allows him to control MP and one for luffy to use his gear second for 3 minutes with no bodily damage
Robin - Clones.
Franky - he'll make a new drink
Brook - no idea

i said franky should get a seastone fist insted of his metal one and a sanji fan adapted it to sea stone shoes…... SO YOUR WELCOME!!

Mingo22

@freedom:

And how exactly will 'haki' be like DBZ? Have you actually read or seen DB/Z?

random power ups durning the emotional last resort that makes little to no sense. as stated it is most entertaining when they are creative or work together like chopper+usopp CDs mole lady+bay boy

I'd imagine that living in a jungle like that, and with the help of Herackles (who seems completely content in such a dangerous environment), will help Usopp sharper his sniper skills. This experience may also help his courage. Not that he'll be Luffy, but perhaps he will only have his ridiculous anxiety when it's either really funny, or really serious, instead of all the time.

usopp uses more strategies and weird unconventional fighting. if all he gained from his experience is more confidence and nothing for his arsenal that would be really disappointing.

From Rayleigh's introduction, the introduction of ambition ('haki'), and now that we know WB's commanders also utilize ambition. I've envisioned that at a minimum, both Zoro and Sanji would be ambition users.

uh dub. haki was mentioned. but again, oda wouldn't have zoro meet a swordsman or sanji with te okama if he wasn't going to expand their existing styles. perhapse helping zoro master his one sword cut steel technique and sanji adding a form of okama kempo.

So…you just complained about ambition turning OP into DBZ, yet you don't know about the wind knots. It's totally out of DB - the Basho Fan I believe is what it was called there.

as you said the fan is out of db. Not dbz. dbz became nothing but power levels and ssj 1 2 3 4 5 gojita vegito kamahama haaaaaaaaaa blast. before dbz goji would creat funky techniques like luffy did. but dbz and especially gt got really really boring for me.

I've always wanted Chopper to learn the Life Return / Bio Feedback stuff that Lucci and Kumadori utilized back in the EL arc.

that certainly would be something

Seems that way :happy:

While Brook has an awesome design when we first meet him. Afterwards, I'm actually a little surprised at his limitations. But perhaps, Oda has some stuff planned for him that just isn't that obvious. He's a swordsman, and he's lightening fast, light, and can run on water. Not to mention, he can play songs that affect his enemies. So perhaps he'll get a repertoire of songs he can use. But I'd also like to see a way for him to strengthen his attacks.

I'm currently not a fan of brooks fighting. partially why I want to see where oda takes

I think you're being a little unfair to Robin. Her almost Mary Sue like abilities gives Oda tons of potential. For example, in her fights on Thriller Bark, she showed us her ability to fly, even if for only a few seconds, it's still a new ability. And she showed us she can create giants arms in her fight with Moria.
Her biggest limitation right now is not being able to move while create other limbs. If you take just this away, she's a whole other beast IMO. Lots of potential, I'm anxoius to see where Oda takes her.

robin still lacks a lot of physical strength. the wings were more o a WTF moment for me and she can't really fly as much as glide. she doesn't have the proper aerodynamixs being that she uses arms for wings and the strength to propeller her self. her potential really as big as you think it is. she's not fast. not strong. and is so far stationary when ever she attacks. what she needs are weapons to compliment her many arms and ability to create arms anywhere like explosives. c4 any one :D? grenades. usopp cock tail special. muhaha. I'd rather enjoy robin as a demolitionost. and the shs don't currently have one . ;D

also…. guys.... dials come from skypiea. so unless nami brings usopp a few toys he's nooooooot getting dials.

Neomaster121

@enel16:

hmm I too think that the crew are in need of power ups if they are to make it in the new world.

Luffy - more giant jet attacks
Zoro - seastone infused weapons?
Sanji - The metal tipped shoes idea is brilliant whoever said that
Nami - more weather attacks and that knot thingy that makes wind
Ussop - I really don't see any real power ups for him except maybe for more dials and what not
Chopper - Two new rumble balls, one that allows him to control MP and one for luffy to use his gear second for 3 minutes with no bodily damage
Robin - Clones.
Franky - he'll make a new drink
Brook - no idea

are you stupid or something

seastone infused weapons
did you not see how vista and silver cut logia users without needed seastones
sanji metal tipped shoes is retarded
clones for robin are u dumb how do you make a clone purely out of hands
rumble ball for luffy makes no sense now
new drink for franky wow

i am so happy you have no influence over the manga

Mingo22

@Neomaster121:

are you stupid or something

seastone infused weapons
did you not see how vista and silver cut logia users without needed seastones
sanji metal tipped shoes is retarded
clones for robin are u dumb how do you make a clone purely out of hands
rumble ball for luffy makes no sense now
new drink for franky wow

i am so happy you have no influence over the manga

i concur good fellow.

Johnnay

@Neomaster121:

clones for robin are u dumb how do you make a clone purely out of hands

Robin can make more then her own hands.

Mingo22

@Johnnay:

Robin can make more then her own hands.

but she has yet to make a full body. And most of the body parts she creates are stationary like a rooted flower. IE Hana Hana no Mi. Even if she did a full body clone i really doubt she'd be able to pull a "Sasuke".

KingofSarus

@Mingo22:

i really doubt she'd be able to pull a "Sasuke".

Dear Lord… no...

Johnnay

Not saying she could, just clarifying that she can create more then hands.

freedom

Don't you take that tone of bold with me

@Mingo22:

random power ups durning the emotional last resort that makes little to no sense.

we can debate interpretations all we want, but the power ups in DB aren't as random as you want to believe. Vegeta went out about the legendary Super Saiya-jin for a while before Gokuu lost it and transformed.

Similarly with OP and this Ambition that you're so worried about. Again, it's not a random thing, and even when Luffy first used it, it wasn't to defeat an unstoppable enemy. We haven't gotten all the information about it as yet, but even prior to Luffy's usage, we had other characters using it. I really don't see what your problem with Ambition is. It just seems out of place to me, just like you "random power ups during emotional last resort" rage about DB.

usopp uses more strategies and weird unconventional fighting. if all he gained from his experience is more confidence and nothing for his arsenal that would be really disappointing.

I wasn't disagreeing with you about Usopp. But you were talking about Usopp shooting wild man-eating plants at his enemies. Isn't that a little far-fetched? even for OP.

uh dub. haki was mentioned. but again, oda wouldn't have zoro meet a swordsman or sanji with te okama if he wasn't going to expand their existing styles. perhapse helping zoro master his one sword cut steel technique and sanji adding a form of okama kempo.

Again, I wasn't refuting your points. Just stating what I thought Zoro and Sanji would get later in the story. Right now, I'm sure they'll both learn some new technique, but from what we've seen in the war. It just comes down to endurance, timing, being able to use Ambition.

@Mingo22:

random power ups durning the emotional last resort that makes little to no sense. as stated it is most entertaining when they are creative or work together like chopper+usopp CDs mole lady+bay boy

I've definitely enjoyed a lot of the teamwork presently in the series, and I hope this continues. But I don't view these as a "power-ups".

**> robin still lacks a lot of physical strength. the wings were more o a WTF moment for me and she can't really fly as much as glide. she doesn't have the proper aerodynamixs being that she uses arms for wings and the strength to propeller her self. her potential really as big as you think it is. she's not fast. not strong. and is so far stationary when ever she attacks. what she needs are weapons to compliment her many arms and ability to create arms anywhere like explosives. c4 any one :D? grenades. usopp cock tail special. muhaha. I'd rather enjoy robin as a demolitionost. and the shs don't currently have one . ;D

You are too close-minded about Robin's abilities. I'm not Oda, but he's shown us time and time again that he can take some of simplest abilities and make them interesting, if not amazing.

also…. guys.... dials come from skypiea. so unless nami brings usopp a few toys he's nooooooot getting dials.

Usopp got a bunch of dials when the SHs were in Skypiea. One of the more noteworthy ones was the milky dial. Ah, that's the name, which is supposed to be unusable in the blue sea. And it just seems like a very Oda thing to do, to have Nami figure out a way to utilize it on the blue sea.**

Mingo22

I originally replied to you off my phone. It was easier to bold just like this than it was to quote. I just changed it later when i got home.

@freedom:

Don't you take that tone of bold with me

we can debate interpretations all we want, but the power ups in DB aren't as random as you want to believe. Vegeta went out about the legendary Super Saiya-jin for a while before Gokuu lost it and transformed.

Similarly with OP and this Ambition that you're so worried about. Again, it's not a random thing, and even when Luffy first used it, it wasn't to defeat an unstoppable enemy. We haven't gotten all the information about it as yet, but even prior to Luffy's usage, we had other characters using it. I really don't see what your problem with Ambition is. It just seems out of place to me, just like you "random power ups during emotional last resort" rage about DB.

Haki can be easilly abused. Thats the potential problem I'm worried about rather than its actual existence. It was interesting for Luffy to fight croc cause croc was a logia. But he found a way to exploit his ability to develop weakness with moister. Now it seems that logia's, rather than creatively finding a way to beat them, will just be a matter of hitting them with haki.

I wasn't disagreeing with you about Usopp. But you were talking about Usopp shooting wild man-eating plants at his enemies. Isn't that a little far-fetched? even for OP.

In the anime the jungle he is in has a number of plants that attack and do a bunch of different things. He wasn't sure how to deal with them but Herclues could. If he could understand them then he can use them is the point I'm getting at. Am i 100% sure. Of course not. But it's better than some of the other ideas being repeated in this thread.

Again, I wasn't refuting your points. Just stating what I thought Zoro and Sanji would get later in the story. Right now, I'm sure they'll both learn some new technique, but from what we've seen in the war. It just comes down to endurance, timing, being able to use Ambition.

Its kind of hard to take your opinion as simply your opinion when you are writing your statement when quoting another persons previous statement of a similar topic. IE. Why i seperated my Usopp not getting gears response seperately from the conversation I'm having specifically with you.

I've definitely enjoyed a lot of the teamwork presently in the series, and I hope this continues. But I don't view these as a "power-ups".

I don't view the team works has power ups neither. I didn't say that nor imply it. I said that the team works fights often incorperates more creative ways to deal with foes than just straight out fighting.

You are too close-minded about Robin's abilities. I'm not Oda, but he's shown us time and time again that he can take some of simplest abilities and make them interesting, if not amazing.

I don't think it's as much as "close minded" as much as I'm thinking of ways to use her within the current "one piece logic" we have seen versus its actual usefulness + repeatable uses. Even if she can create a giant hand from little hands. It'll still be inferior in strength compared to any of the mid to high hitters on the crew.

Usopp got a bunch of dials when the SHs were in Skypiea. One of the more noteworthy ones was the milky dial. Ah, that's the name, which is supposed to be unusable in the blue sea. And it just seems like a very Oda thing to do, to have Nami figure out a way to utilize it on the blue sea.

The got a bunch of dials yes. But most of the dials they been using we were introduced to in skypiea. Now it's not completely implausible that Oda will bust out a new dial usopp has that we never even heard of. But it would be an illogical approach, even for oda's brand of logic.

Tanuki

Usopp will undoubtedly come up with some very weird, very situational new ammo. Aside from that I'd like to see him amplify his explosive attacks with a gas dial too.
Oh, and hey. Seastone ammo would be helpful, but I somehow don't see it happening.

Robin will replicate Luffy's Gear 3rd pistol by creating multiple arms into a giant fist. Hell, something like that would make Robin seem as powerful as her reputation has led us all to believe.

What I really want to see though, are more combination attacks.

freedom

@Mingo22:

I originally replied to you off my phone. It was easier to bold just like this than it was to quote. I just changed it later when i got home.

No worries. I was joking about the bold thing :happy:

Erza

I don't think seastone swords for zoro or seastone shoetips for sanji would work at all, since seastone needs permanent contact to the opponent to disable them.
For zoro that would mean having to permanently stick his sword into the enemy, which would be quite weird since he had to fight 2 sword style from this point on, and I don't think it fits zoro's style at all to let go of one of his precious weapons.

For sanji, again, the concept of keeping contact is quite difficult to pull off, the only way I could think of would be for him to stand on the enemy with a seastone shoe, and begin charging up his diable jambe while spinning and keeping contact.

And, for both, if it was against a logia it wouldn't work, since they have no haki to make contact in the first place.
So my guess would also be that they both need to receice haki in some form.

However, for yusopp, I could imagine (at some point, probably not after the current powerup) some form of seastone ammo which can stick to the enemy if he connects 1 shot.

TheSJKarma

@Erza:

I don't think seastone swords for zoro or seastone shoetips for sanji would work at all, since seastone needs permanent contact to the opponent to disable them.
For zoro that would mean having to permanently stick his sword into the enemy, which would be quite weird since he had to fight 2 sword style from this point on, and I don't think it fits zoro's style at all to let go of one of his precious weapons.

For sanji, again, the concept of keeping contact is quite difficult to pull off, the only way I could think of would be for him to stand on the enemy with a seastone shoe, and begin charging up his diable jambe while spinning and keeping contact.

And, for both, if it was against a logia it wouldn't work, since they have no haki to make contact in the first place.
So my guess would also be that they both need to receice haki in some form.

However, for yusopp, I could imagine (at some point, probably not after the current powerup) some form of seastone ammo which can stick to the enemy if he connects 1 shot.

He wouldn't have to stick his swords in them…he would slash, and when he swords made contact with the person they would disable the ability for the duration that the sword is slicing through them.

Erza

@TheSJKarma:

He wouldn't have to stick his swords in them…he would slash, and when he swords made contact with the person they would disable the ability for the duration that the sword is slicing through them.

But he would need at least two seastone swords to exploit such a small timeframe, and again, vs logia he'd still need haki to hit them in the first place.

And another thing, it wouldn't suit zoro's character to weaken his enemy, he's always been "how can I get even stronger?" and not even once "how can I make my enemy weaker?".

I'd not even say that zoro ultimately needs haki, since it will be luffy anyways who's gonna fight vs blackbeard, but if there shall be anyone except luffy on the sh crew, it should definately be zoro.

Mingo22

whats everyones obsession with seastone when there is haki. Its is a proven method to increase attack damage to anything and everything. Not just DF/Logia users. Seastone would be DF user specific.

Coolnerd89

Speaking of Haki, I think the only ones that will really do anything with it will be the big three.
Luffy of course, Sanji, and really… Zoro already knows it.
In my theory anyway.
I'm just expecting some more cool gadgets from Ussop and Nami.

Mingo22

@Coolnerd89:

Speaking of Haki, I think the only ones that will really do anything with it will be the big three.
Luffy of course, Sanji, and really… Zoro already knows it.
In my theory anyway.
I'm just expecting some more cool gadgets from Ussop and Nami.

Zoro is in the same boat as Luffy. they have it but can't control it. Zoro has only done the steel cutting once.

TheSJKarma

@Erza:

But he would need at least two seastone swords to exploit such a small timeframe, and again, vs logia he'd still need haki to hit them in the first place.

And another thing, it wouldn't suit zoro's character to weaken his enemy, he's always been "how can I get even stronger?" and not even once "how can I make my enemy weaker?".

I'd not even say that zoro ultimately needs haki, since it will be luffy anyways who's gonna fight vs blackbeard, but if there shall be anyone except luffy on the sh crew, it should definately be zoro.

You don't understand what i'm saying. I'm saying as soon as zoro comes in contact with someone their DF is nullified. I'm guessing if you touch the person while in their element it still counts because raleigh was aloud to souch kizaru while he was in his element. This is of course assuming that seastone works in the same way as haki.

So basically all zoro has to do is chop and if they were made out of sea stone they would bypass the DF.

Neomaster121

@TheSJKarma:

You don't understand what i'm saying. I'm saying as soon as zoro comes in contact with someone their DF is nullified. I'm guessing if you touch the person while in their element it still counts because raleigh was aloud to souch kizaru while he was in his element. This is of course assuming that seastone works in the same way as haki.

So basically all zoro has to do is chop and if they were made out of sea stone they would bypass the DF.

i just can't understand the obsession with making zoro use seastone weapons

Kishido

@Neomaster121:

i just can't understand the obsession with making zoro use seastone weapons

Well I say it way back… The first time Rayleigh used it Sanji and Zoro seemed to have sensed it and even asked themself WTF it was.

So I have no doubts that at least this two will learn it as well

and like I said Diable Jambe and the resistance to fire and Asura could be pre haki abilities.

Some are comparing DJ to Pearl's or Wanze's abilities. Wanze matched up his skates and Pearl his iron body... but both of them haven't matched up their BODY.

Only the fat Boa sister matched her body and had the resistance... and we know she chould use some type of haki. Her other sister on the other hand was burned (the mantra one)

Wisshard

I don't see why the theories for "power up" for Zoro center on Seastone weapons. For one thing, it'd defeat Zoro's purpose of becoming the strongest swordsman, since (as I interperet him) he wants to defeat his opponents with his own skill, strength and determination (ambition) not using specific weapons to overcome his opponents.

A "power up" with learning to control Haki would only be one step in the right direction for Luffy, because he is severly outclassed in speed, strength and skill when compared to the higher echelon of fighters. He (and Zoro and Sanji) needs to improve their physical abilities as well if they want to continue to pursue their goals, a new fancy kick for Sanji wont help if his opponent is twice as fast and twice as strong as him, or a seastone weapon for Zoro.

Personally, I hope that Luffy, with Chopper's advice, stop using his Gears and improves his basic combat abilities more instead. I never liked Gear Second since it's a temporarly power-up.

Kudo29

Yaa as I see it, half or more of the whole series is behind us right now… now for ~about the other half, it seems like HAKI is THE ultimate technique... would be kinda boring if haki is used in each fight from now on. Of course haki is important, but should not always be.

I'd prefer an upgrade in another direction like the Gears were, but as Wisshard said not a temporary one. Let's see how Oda will surprise / disappoint us :P

Kintama

I'm wondering what One Piece canon balls are made of?

Akumu

I don't see Haki as an Ultimate technique, just as a way to save time when fighting fodder and as a way to even out the fights between the SHs and people like the admirals. All haki is here for is to even the playing field.

Kudo29

Yes I see that. But it seems like Haki is everything you need for Logia types. I'd like to see more "skills" to beat a Logia. Come on Oda, you can do it, man.

Ashura_KingFisher

@Kintama:

I'm wondering what One Piece canon balls are made of?

solidified haki?

TheSJKarma

@Kudo29:

Yes I see that. But it seems like Haki is everything you need for Logia types. I'd like to see more "skills" to beat a Logia. Come on Oda, you can do it, man.

What skills could you use to beat a logia. If i'm a non logia facing akainu ima get raped unless I have haki.

Akumu

@TheSJKarma:

What skills could you use to beat a logia. If i'm a non logia facing akainu ima get raped unless I have haki.

Would Mizu Luffy work on Akainu like it did for when he fought croc?
If I'm right, the water would solidify Akainu for a temporary amount of time, so would Luffy be able to hit him?

That's the only other skill capable of beating a Logia: finding it's natural enemy.

Ryuksgelus

No the water would evaporate long before it ever reached Akainu. Even Jimbei isn't capable of outputting enough water to stand a chance against Akainu as he only equaled Ace. Luffy with a water pack or even fire extinguisher isn't gong to cut it.

Haki is the perfect power-up. It stops Oda from having to come up with ultra-convoluted reasons and weaknesses to equal the battlefield against foes like Kizaru. All the talk of the SH hurting him via dials, mirrors, shiny part of their swords, or him not being able to fight at night or in shadows when he first showed up at SA were ridiculous.

Yeah it would have been so cool to see Luffy fight Aokiji by throwing a bag of salt on him like how flour>Gesparde, become blazing luffy, or superheat his body by pumping his legs numerous times before G2.

Chopper Madness

it seems to me people just havent come to terms with the fact that haki is the next step for many characters in the OP world

haki is coming it is a big deal get used to it