What's the meaning of the "Sabo thing" Ace mentioned?
I guess the Saboady Archipelago incident.
What's the meaning of the "Sabo thing" Ace mentioned?
I guess the Saboady Archipelago incident.
damn, this chapter was so heavy of emotions. even watching buggy getting in the fray to stop akainu, damn.
"I have no idea what Luffy will do next"
This presupposes Luffy is still conscious, right? I fall under the group of people who figure Luffy is out for the remainder of this battle. Hell, the arc may very well be over. When he wakes up though?
IT'S GOINGGG TO BEEE LIKE FINNAAL FANTASYYY NIIINEE…!!
Sengoku's line in this chapter… Was he referring to Akainu or Garp? I thought it was the latter from the spoilers, but seeing the Onemanga release of the chapter, I'm a tad uncertain.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/574/10/
Is it me or does the guy on the lower-right panel look almost identical to Capone Bege?
@Darkstorm and Urouge
Yeah, but it was also shown (to the public) that Ace was actually SAVED while the freaking entire Marine failed to stop it, having to resort to Akainu opening a hole in his chest during his escape. Not to mention the public will watch WB going apeshit very soon and that's probably not gonna make the WG look good :P
So, to elaborate a little more, the death of Gold Roger's son (Sengoku revealed that to the world on purpose) could either spark another "age of piracy" of reinforce the WG's rule all over the world. I mean, Oda has been foreshadowing the importance of this war for something, and I hope it's not just Luffy growing up.
Yeah, it's the change of an era. The new era seems like it'll be determined by the public interpretation of this war. It'll be very interesting to see what that is, in the end.
(A bunch of random knowledge I picked up by reading the manga. I label some assumptions as fact and mix them in, but you should just assume I'm right).
So, no matter how I look at it, the result seems that they will rest and recover on SA and even if the logpose is broken, they'll go to FI still…
Would this be just?
Nope. It's just one possibility (your prediction), which ignores my point. The fact that you can't see any other possibilities before they go to FI is just sad.
maybe some unresolved issue, anyways does anyone know the significance of the flashback of Rouge naming Ace if it holds any? Was it Ace finally accepting his name or just some bs filler crap?
It was Garp flashing back to that moment. Garp was there when Ace was born…and he was there to see him die. I think Garp the hero of the Marines will retire after this. I can't see him staying a Marine after all that has happened with Ace.
On a side note, I woulda loved to have seen Garp get a hit in on Akainu before Sengoku stops him.
damn, this chapter was so heavy of emotions. even watching buggy getting in the fray to stop akainu, damn.
I noticed that, he looked pissed.
Ace was his drinking buddy after all. x(
The Sabo thing intrigues me too although it won't get much attention now. I don't think it stans for Sabonday Archipelago. It's either an event Luffy knows about or a person Ace met around the time he left to become a pirate.
@x20a:
wait, so, vista and marco both have haki too? then, didn't ace have haki too? couldn't he have used it on that fagma admiral's punch and nullify the df ability?
Haki doesn't nullify DF ability. It's not going to make magma magically disappear.
Ace obviously doesn't have it tho.
Hats off to Oda, that looks really good.
I think Luffy's expression is perfectly fitting myself.
Whenever I see this pic i die a little inside..I still can't believe Ace died but perhaps I should've seen that coming.
Sengoku's line in this chapter… Was he referring to Akainu or Garp? I thought it was the latter from the spoilers, but seeing the Onemanga release of the chapter, I'm a tad uncertain.
I think he's referring to Garp. Sengoku wants both Ace and Luffy to die so he wouldn't disagree with Sakazuki killing Ace.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Ace obviously doesn't have (haki) tho.
At least not anymore!
Luffy is know unconcious. Next chapter, King haki explosion and Bakainu destroyed.
boy glad to see things have calmed down around here and people are being a little more logical, those first two days were pretty rough =P
Finally scans! I just read it and I want to cry all over again. Not only Luffy, but even Garp's expressions….whoa.
I, for one, think Luffy's done in this arc. I think he's too shocked and devastated (along with being worn out) to do anything else. I'd love to see Garp get a shot in on Akainu though before WB starts tearing what's left of Marineford apart.
At least not anymore!
dead haki user has dead haki :ninja:
but wow, can't believe the chapter everyone knew was comin could still have so much emotion.
ODA IS TOO GOOD
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Haki doesn't nullify DF ability. It's not going to make magma magically disappear.
It does… that's how Boa's sisters were able to fight Luffy, that's how Boa was able to physically hit smoker, and that's what the Admirals used to prevent the execution stand from getting owned when WB was spamming his earthquake abilities.
If Ace didn't have haki, that's kinda fucked. You would think the 2nd division commander, and Roger's son, would have that kind of ambition power.
Luffy is know unconcious. Next chapter, King haki explosion and Bakainu destroyed.
No he's definitely gonna use human transmutation to bring Ace back to life and sacrifice his arm like those spoilers suggested Zoro would cut off.
@x20a:
It does… that's how Boa's sisters were able to fight Luffy, that's how Boa was able to physically hit smoker, and that's what the Admirals used to prevent the execution stand from getting owned when WB was spamming his earthquake abilities.
If Ace didn't have haki, that's kinda fucked. You would think the 2nd division commander, and Roger's son, would have that kind of ambition power.
No. Haki doesn't make magma magically disappear or any other DF element for that matter. One of the things it can do is allow you to hit a DF users real body tho. That has nothing to do with nullifying their DF.
If Akainu swung a magma punch at Marco and Marco swung a haki punch at Akainu and they connected Marco's hand would still be covered in magma.
Like I said he probably didn't but if he did he wasn't good at using it like Luffy.
I think he's referring to Garp. Sengoku wants both Ace and Luffy to die so he wouldn't disagree with Sakazuki killing Ace.
It definitely makes more sense, but on the other and, Garp's reaction is a bit odd considering he would have let the execution happen (albeit grudgingly). The extra malicious flavor of Akainu's dealings might be unappealing to even Sengoku and, if it were even against the marines' code of honor, then the video of the execution might have a much more negative impact on their reputation. It probably isn't so, but the bit of ambiguity got me thinking about that.
Maybe 2 or 3 chapters Blackbeard makes an appearance
wait, so, vista and marco both have haki too? then, didn't ace have haki too? couldn't he have used it on that fagma admiral's punch and nullify the df ability?
They have haki but not King haki :getlost:
I hope Boa does something, to aikanu and comfort luffy. Coz he really could use that at this moment
Finally got to read a scanlation and…....damn. I knew after last chapter that he wasnt going to make it but reading it now is tough. Im a personal fan of Ace, so that was touch to read.
R.I.P. Portgas D. Ace
why do ppl think luffy is going to kick someone's ass now?
last time when he had set back ( kuma tele-porting his crew) he just sat and cried allowing offering no resistance to kuma
I just read the chapter and I've gotta say..Garp really impressed me..but all that time Ace was cuffed right next to him and he remained a calm(at least a little) maybe he did rely on WB saving him.But even if Akainu isn't killed in the next few chapters and I really doubt he will cause Oda showed him to us about 5-6 chapters or so ago and I doubt he will kill an Admiral that soon in the anime I'm certain that Garp is gonna do something that even Sengoku can't stop.Go Go Garp! :ninja:
Now it's a good time for BlackBeard to pop up and make some mess. Whatever happens, the Marines already won so it's better if they are a bit battered or a big shake up happens!
I just read the chapter. Being an Ace fan I was slightly upset. But there better not be a Dragon Ball style resurection…
before WB starts tearing what's left of Marineford apart.
I honestly think Whitebeard will fall before he has a chance to do such a thing.
At least not anymore!
LOL
@Sir:
I guess the Saboady Archipelago incident.
Yeah but what incident with Ace?
Look at the context he mentions it. He says "sabo thing" along with "having a lil brother like Luffy to look out for" that if it wasn't for that he "never would even want to live"
@Dream:
I just read the chapter. Being an Ace fan I was slightly upset. But there better not be a Dragon Ball style resurection…
Same here.I love Ace and would love to see him more in the anime but it would be really stupid for them to somehow ressurect them.The dead should stay dead.At least he died with a smile!
@Fire Fist:
What does the side text in the final panel say? I know the first word is Ace, but I can't read the second word. I'm guessing something like, "Ace is Gone" or "Ace has Died"?
It says the same thing as the chapter title, minus the Portgas D.
@Sir:
I guess the Saboady Archipelago incident.
Ace couldn't possibly know about that.
Shanks will come and save the day. lol.
I don't think Ace will die for good.
It will be like Yu Yu Hakusho where Kuwabara was "killed" only for Yusuke to unleash all his power.
Unlike YYH, Akainu intended to kill Ace.
I mean, if Oda won't kill Pell, Oars Jr. or any of the villains Luffy faced, what makes you think he'll kill Ace?
Sorry if this has already been covered, but didn't feel like reading all 80 pages. -_-
Why doesn't Akainu seem hurt/injured after being attacked by Marco and Vista, who are Haki users?
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Upper left panel. Looks like Mohji decided to jump ship and join the Whitebeard Pirates.
Hahaha. That's awesome. Nice find, Crossword.
I don't think Ace will die for good.
It will be like Yu Yu Hakusho where Kuwabara was "killed" only for Yusuke to unleash all his power.
Unlike YYH, Akainu intended to kill Ace.I mean, if Oda won't kill Pell, Oars Jr. or any of the villains Luffy faced, what makes you think he'll kill Ace?
The thread title.
LOL @ you mentioning YuYu it was going to be my next joke; Dragon takes over Luffy's body and pwns Akainu due to their magical demon bloodline.
I don't think Ace will die for good.
It will be like Yu Yu Hakusho where Kuwabara was "killed" only for Yusuke to unleash all his power.
Unlike YYH, Akainu intended to kill Ace.I mean, if Oda won't kill Pell, Oars Jr. or any of the villains Luffy faced, what makes you think he'll kill Ace?
Oh look, another one in denial.
Sorry if this has already been covered, but didn't feel like reading all 80 pages. -_-
Why doesn't Akainu seem hurt/injured after being attacked by Marco and Vista, who are Haki users?
I'm assuming by his reaction he was hurt he does say "Arghhh" but it seems to not hurt that much.
It just looks like Marco haki kicked him with his phoenix foot and Vista slashed or pierced his shoulder. I figure Vista's attack would hurt more and cause him to start bleeding at least.
Maybe Akainu has anti-haki cream.
Great chapter ! I'm just wondering how Ace got his left hand back.
Last time I checked, it was burned by Mighty Magma Inu and now it's fine (well… as Dead as the rest of the body but not burned...)
This presupposes Luffy is still conscious, right? I fall under the group of people who figure Luffy is out for the remainder of this battle. Hell, the arc may very well be over. When he wakes up though?
that's a very viable option as well. He does look quite passed out.
I guess I meant, "what will happen with Luffy next?"
Honestly, I think it would be a good idea for him to be down and out. Leave the rest of the battle for the WB pirates, Marines, Croc, warlords, former warlords, etc..
It says the same thing as the chapter title, minus the Portgas D.
Ace couldn't possibly know about that.
Hancock could've told him, I guess. But meh, it was only a guess.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I'm assuming by his reaction he was hurt he does say "Arghhh" but it seems to not hurt that much.
It just looks like Marco haki kicked him with his phoenix foot and Vista slashed or pierced his shoulder. I figure Vista's attack would hurt more and cause him to start bleeding at least.
Maybe Akainu has anti-haki cream.
Hmm, which translation are you reading? I'm reading Cnet's and Akainu doesn't say, "Argh!" He says, "Ngh…!! Ahhhh, this is getting irritating......!!"
And Vista's slash sliced DEEP into his throat. If Akainu's punch to Ace was mortal, the slash should also be mortal, but Akainu doesn't seem to be anywhere near that injured.
I generally avoid posting in these manga threads, as they get pretty ridiculous, but this chapter was pretty huge. :P
Ace was my favorite character because he's the one that got me into the show. I was flipping channels and caught the episode on CN when he used Fire Fist on the Baroque Works billions' ships. That got me interested enough to google some information about subbed versions, and then I found out about how 4kids butchered the translation and I subsequently fell in love with One Piece.
RIP ACE.
Honestly, I think it would be a good idea for him to be down and out. Leave the rest of the battle for the WB pirates, Marines, Croc, warlords, former warlords, etc..
That would be the best way to end this arc.
And it'd raise the chances of BB's coming (fanboy), seeing more of WB, then opening the path to a new violent era cause seeing the marines winning this war seems wrong imo, since both Doflamingo and BB are preparing for a new era (in different ways tough) and this war is the turning point. So marines win and peace in OP world doesn't fit, something might happen.
I think either of these was the Sabo thing:
! The Bottom of this page and the top of the next, when Ace got into a fight with others over Roger, and began questioning his own self worth and existence.
Or
! The top of this page, since it seems like something big happened, and that's when Ace promised Luffy he'd never die.
Urouge, you haven't even said one island that makes sense, all you've said was that you don't see FI coming and they have to head to a completely different island than SA cause of logpose… You suggested AL and I showed you the reality of it... After that, you just state that an unknown island will have to be visited without any evidence because the log pose looks like it's broken to you… You claim foreshadowing, erhm?
So, how do you expect anyone to agree with you when you don't even EXPAND...?
I don't care if the logpose breaks, congratulations if you are correct on that... But I do care about their next island because that matters and above all things, it still points to SA then to FI when luffy and crew regroup, broken logpose or not...
You want a statement on all the "facts" that you take for granted? I'll make a list later for you...
I'm only asking you to expand just a little bit on why FI can't be next, seriously... You've never addressed it and keep on dropping the argument...
Do you have any idea at all? Foreshadowing, just doesn't cut it... /facepalm.
What's wrong with believing he's not dead? You never know what will happen in the later chapters.
The next chapter will be one of the most interesting from a long time.
Yeah the Sabo thing is really interesting… But I can't think properly this week. I hope it will be explained what or who it is in the future...
Same for haki... Stil irritating that Ace never had shown it, even if he was aware... And I doubt people like the Boa sister and others in Al has more will than Ace. He was in a crew where some guys could use it, but never learned it?
But like I said… I can't think properly... i read the scanlation and I'm near crying (OK I'm crying…) all the time… And even more seeing Garp and Luffy's tears and expresssions...
And I really hope Oda won't troll us with the Gol D Ace theory…