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WOW…..
! > Tell me, why did luffy figure out Soru and all those other techniques and merge them with his RUBBER skill?
! WOW what the hell, I never recalled his skill SORU! U must watch OP better than me, are thats just nonsennse what ure saying here. Soru is a skill he could be using without his second gear.
! > Because he had to do it… So, rather than being trained and stuff, he will come into a situation and figure out what Haki does on his own...
! Yes that could be true, But once again hes on the half of the grandline and he still doesnt know hes got haki. HE MUST EB A QUICK LEARNER.
! > "If I had Haki, I would have saved Ace!!" or something like that to motivate him to learn it in order to protect his crew
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! No coz he doesnt know what haki is, IF NO1 IS going to tell him that he never will.
! > He doesn't nor has he ever had training since he departed towards the high seas… He shouldn't ever be trained in the future...
! What book training, or fighting training. Coz it´s time luffy needs to know how to use it.
! > Same goes for all the other characters, they learn as they move on.
! Yes, But it isnt a bad idea if some 1 that has the knoledge told him how to use it, and what purpose it gives.
! > Let me be clear, Luffy has no tragic loss and has been having an easy time towards his goal… Correct?
! AN EASY TIME!? Hell no, again watch OP.
! > This is the first time that Luffy has felt a COMPLETE loss and the realization will leave a lasting effect on the guy, it's going to change him.
! Yes it's going to change him, but that doesnt mean BOA cant join.
! > Of all of the characters, minus Sanji, Luffy has never felt anything like they have:
- Zoro lost his rival.
- Usopp lost his mother.
- Nami lost her mother.
- Robin lost her whole island and mother.
- Chopper lost his father figure.
- Franky lost his mentor.
- Brook lost his nakama.
I don't want to get into Sanji since it'll apply still, he felt loss as well… But Luffy has never felt any of that, he has always had it pretty easy as compared to the others...
So, he didn't have the same conviction towards his goals and such as the others do... At least not on the same scale. With this death, Ace's death, Oda has showed that Luffy's motive to beating out his competition should be enormous now. Just because of this, Luffy will now desire to become better and more serious towards his goals and duties... In other words, Luffy won't let this stuff happen once again.
Yes, but for who?
He didn't have any real motivation for it to make it the biggest deal... He was always doing it for fun and selfish reason.
Everyone else is doing their dreams for other characters...
- Nami for her mother.
- Zoro for Kuina.
- Usopp for his mother.
- Sanji for his dream and Zeff's.
- Robin for her heritage, and a hell of a lot of shit towards it.
- Franky for Tom.
- Brook for his nakama.
- Chopper for his late father-like figure.
Luffy was only doing it for some naive arm being lost… He didn't fully understand it, so Oda added up a new notch: for Ace.
! Yes coz ACE died, But if he WOULD live, Than this wasnt something he needed to do to become PK. When BB took out Ace, I didnt hear luffy crying COZ HE DIDNT KNOW!. this bring u to my second point, U said they needed an arc to join the sh crew, WELL BOA got this arc, She was the key role. She evn got a decent introduction. Just like all other crewmembers. And as i state later on, Brook didnt have an arc devoted he was just simply there. just as franky. so dont give me reasons that she wont join, coz oda said stuff about Romance.
U will be dissapointed when she does join.
! > Eh, sure?
! yes.
! > Yeah, Robin wasn't wanted, but that changed after Skypiea and she was shown to like the "atmosphere" of the whole crew… Am I wrong?
! NO, Thats why Boa can change too than after the next arc thats upcomming
. So yet again a reason why she should join.
! > Nami hated pirates and didn't care for them, but that changed and forced her to go with them after Arlong Park…
! Boa hated ''ALL'' men, but that also changed by the cause of luffy. Since nami is a crewmember so can Boa.
! > Usopp was always scared, but he matured over time.
! Well last time i saw he he was still scared,
! > Zoro was always a soloist, but he is changing…
! YEs, An indication that BOA can also Change during time.
! > Chopper hated humans, but he's changing…
! Boa hated men ''again'' she could change, again she could join the crew.
! > Franky is Franky and Brook is Brook
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! Boa is Boa.
! > Lastly, Sanji is the best example since he is opening up to Zoro, his rival and dropping his women thing. He left Nami to save Zoro, in that SA encounter with Kizaru.
! An0ther reason why Boa could change in the time spending with the crew. She will learn that not all men are the same. Wich could make her an excellent crewmember and get along well.
! > I showed you a quote that LOVE isn't going to lead to that being her dream. You should understand that this manga is about ADVENTURE and such, not the strive to get someone's affection… Sorry, but Oda clearly says he won't bother doing this sort of thing.
! The love Wont lead to kissing scenes or Romantic scenes so there is no problem with it. Oda also clearly stated, no OP character would die.
Boa still plausible to join.
! > So, Boa Hancock's dream, if it is like that, will prevent her from joining…
Her sad past, is just that... Nothing special.
! Ure theories are nothing special. ANd that wont prevent her from joining once again.
! > Matters not. She's hacked, so that's something you can take a shot trying to explain.
! hacked>?
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It's not her arc... Ace's arc and he's dead.
! In that case its not Brooks arc either, and franky's, and sanji's,.. Brook was a character along not the main cause of luffy kikin moria, Franky, was a character along, Robin the main cause with ennies lobby. Sanji wasnt the main cause, he also was a character involved. ! JUST LIKE BOA is in ACE's ARC. And yet again its plausable for her to join, coz other crewmembers have joined that way ! > No romance dream, no reason for her to 'kick the WG ass' since she's better off with Dragon… ! If she hadnt have a romance dream, luffy would never heared aces axcecution. SHE LIKES LUFFY, thats the point.. thats why she fits with luffy and NObody else. ! And if u think like that, ALL the other crewmember s would have been better of with shanks. ! > Does she connect them towards a future island or event and can she show anything from the future: that's what… ! Yes, learning stuff about haki. and fight ofcourse, and her dream that ure still not understand. Shounen is capable of putting love in manga.. ! I'm not disagreeing here, but she's not going to join so she won't have the chance to do this… ! > I don't get how it counts when I clearly showed you an interview and a source where Oda won't make it a focal point of the plot… In other words, he won't make a dream be to bear a child for a man... Pointless. ! IT ISNT ROMANCE!!, !
Oda killed a guy in chapter one, what point are you trying to make? Oda never said he won't kill a person... He said he won't be making a sex-awareness manga ...
It has already sex awereness because of sanji's pervertness.
>! > I don't see her getting an invite in point blank distance… I don't see her having a visible chance to be on the ship... I don't see her doing much of anything...
>! hmm my comment on this. I do see her getting an invite… i do see she got a visable chance on the ship and i do see her doing much and mayor stuff.
>! > Please, expand. She's obviously NOT a nakama…
>! How dare u to ask for an expend, How can it that Perona with 3 stupid things can be a nakama and Boa wich have helped luffy faaaarrrrr better cannot.
>! > No, you just don't understand what should count and what shouldn't… It's not that hard: be anti-lovey dovey scenes and be pro other stuff...
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> * Perona should help Zoro: she can follow a vivre card, Zoro cannot and he was foreshadowed to fail. She can bring him back and has tended to his wounds… She could very well follow him since she's the only person shown with an appearance there... A ship can be found. It checks out that she can lead Zoro back...
> * I explained this…
> * Luffy can invite her with ease depending on her helping Zoro return…
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> So, that's that…
>! I dont under stand, i see that i just DONT understand How that can COUNT more than her helping luffy.
>! > You have to start with being a friend before you can be a crew member…
>! Freind like Nami?, Like Franky??, OOwh u mean like RObinn. U see ure telling pure crap.
>! > How did Robin manage to get them to Sky Island and not Nami??
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> Same thing here… Just because Nami may not understand how the NW works, we can have Perona, who has the possibility to have come from that land, help out and show them the ropes early on...
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> Vivi was shown to help Nami understand the whole frontier first and foremost before she left them...
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> Nami has never been to the NW or GL, this is her first time being here... Perona may have the knowledge needed to help them move ahead a small significant route just to save them from being doomed without enough knowledge...
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> That won't get them by massive obstacles in the NW... What if there's some dangerous unknown over there and if Hancock doesn't know about the NW, what point will she have to even be there? Haki? Haki can't help them get by terrible natural storms...
>! Wow a shishibukai and no knoledge abouth the NW??, i think she knows more than perona, who did nothing but sitting with her fluffy beasts.
>! > Furthermore, Luffy has always learned things on his own…
>! It's not a childsgame anymore, he needs to start acting serious. if he wants to save his nakama in the new world. therefor ''LEARNING'' something from another captian isn't useless
>! > Explain…
>! Nothing to explain…
>! > All the dreams are focused on the Shounen manga genre, such as adventure… Boa Hancock's "probable" dream according to you is focused on Shoujo manga, i.e. girls' manga.
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> So, it's not in the same genre and Oda won't make that a dream even possible...
>! And if he does? if he does make her part of SH? Just because some1 love some1 doesnt mean ITS A GIRLS MANGA. GOku and chichi? Bulma and Vegeta? Naruto and sakura? Sakura and Sasuke?. Love is always there in shounen, but not explicit visable.
SO ure soo wrong.
>! > He will have to if Boa Hancock betrays and joins the crew of the future PK and son of Dragon and brother of Ace…
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> AL is going to get a visit from Master Akainu who'll make it see HELLFIRE over there... WG and Akainu won't sit like traitors are allowed to walk... He was messing up Jinbei in this arc and roasted the guy cause he was a traitor... Boa Hancock will have the same fate and her island is a piracy nation which is only protected by Boa Hancock's title... Master Akainu will light the Birthday Cake over there...
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> He doesn't even care if they aren't pirates, to him they are fodder and MUST be done right...
>! Wow, well akainu could kill Luffy now u know and sengoku and all the admirals could kill wb. But theyre not doing that. ure forgetting they got MUCH bigger troubles than attacking a county that knows how to use haki. Like the Revo army. i dont see any problems at all.
>! > Oda would have to have an arc to focus on THAT stuff because otherwise Luffy and Boa Hancock would leave that island to die, which isn't going to happen… Then, since they are at it... Oda would probably move it to the Tenryuubito capital just to make sure that the WG won't attack again...
>! She wil leave it in charge with the old ladie, as i stated and said.
>! > In other words, too much stuff to bother with. If you don't agree, provide a reason why they won't attack the traitor…
>! Coz there are to many problems right now. if u state that, u can also state that the town were luffy was raised will be burned to death. And garp will be killed coz hes a traitor and wants to kill akainu.
>! > I did… Luffy just needs to move to Raftel. He could do that with a navigator and himself... I'm sure Robin's important since Rio Poneglyph has to do with Raftel...
>! Ok would u please, go and make ure own OP story with only RObin nami and luffy.
>! > So, Luffy wants to be the PK, he never needed a bunch of folks for that stuff… Being PK makes him and whatever crew he has better than the others...
>! he needs a bunch of folks to help him acomplish that goal. and being pk doesnt make his crew beter than others. cause u can be PK by optaining OP. so if OP flies into Luffy's hands right now, that would make him PK. still he isnt stronger than other crews.
>! > Where's your proof?
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> Hmmmmmmm…..........?
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> Where did he state that?
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> I would love to know.. I showed you that and the interview page... I can show you the whole link and stuff... It's present and such, but I don't remember him saying he'll never kill since he already killed a man in chapter one...
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> Please do show it to me.
>! Cant find it at this moment.
Boa is still plausable, and btw if Oda didnt want a romantic thing with OP, why the hell did he make her Love in the firsplace.