I think it's a blow to pirates morale more than anything, one of the strongest and most influential pirates of this era is dying….........
Edit: Forgot to quote so my post looks random.
I think it's a blow to pirates morale more than anything, one of the strongest and most influential pirates of this era is dying….........
Edit: Forgot to quote so my post looks random.
I think the world will disagree. Marine HQ is gone, they suffered massive losses. Only bright point is WB is no more…Ace is dead. Thats it. I expect Dragon will be making his move pretty soon.....and BB will be shaking up the New World with his crew of monsters
Well the maries will probably stop the transmision when wb is dead and it would serve what they wanted to show.The number of new pirates decrease dramaticly after seeing how the son of Roger and the worlds strongest man fared against the marines.
No, there's a huge difference.
Pell didn't die and come back to life. He simply didn't die.
We assumed he died, but did not see his last moments.
He wasn't resurrected.Ace died. Bringing him back to life is completely different from Pell.
Maybe he can be of help
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I'm trying to come up with as many Jokes about Fire-Fisted Ace.
Still mildly surprised nobody's posted this youtube clip:
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After all this not living up to his hype to talk we shouldn't forget those guys that do live up to their hype:
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VOTE AKAINU 2010!!! A man who get's the job done! :devil:
Rather than rubbing it in and stuff, the fact of the matter is that for the current duration of the confirmed manga Ace is dead.
So, the time to examine the future is now…
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You can debate it, but the start of the Marineford Arc should be either this chapter: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/549/02/ or 550… Regardless, it's one of the two and that marks that we've at least gone through more than 25 chapters this arc...
So, the general length of these arcs are close to the 30 chapter length or less... Usually 25+ is a fairly average length for the medium sized arcs.
If and only if this arc is supposed to end within the next 5 chapters, we can imagine that this is the official CLIMAX of the arc and all that's left is the falling action and resolution.
So, to break down the whole arc series, here's a list:
After the exposition, we were shown the rising action:
Climax:
Therefore, we are on the falling action since I think that the CLIMAX finished with him being stabbed and then this chapter switches to the falling action…
The important things here are the following:
The common sense thing is that Luffy MUST remain alive, especially since he is the main character. We can assume a few things about Luffy:
So, the way it will go depending on Luffy's fate is that he may be unable to move a muscle from the shock, fear or that he will basically ATTACK without any care or concern for his own well being for revenge.
I wouldn't place my bets on the second one because it basically makes it seem like Luffy isn't affected by this death. I would place my bets on the former and that Luffy is basically unable to move and therefore would need assistance to leave.
If that is the case, then I would think that WB and his pirate crew would HONOR Ace's sacrifice and help at least Luffy survive at all costs, because it makes it even more assuring that they'll save him. Of course, the one character that comes to mind about this whole situation is probably Marco since he made a promise.
I think that Marco will be the one to help the incapable Luffy aboard the escape ship and take him in. Furthermore, Iva-san should follow along with many others… I do think that they will try to save and help Ace, but I am sure that he won't be saved and will have a funeral later on.
That would be my idea of Luffy, he should turn unconscious and be inactive for the rest of the arc... Therefore, without Luffy's POV there, the arc should progress quickly and end sooner than normal and without a lot of future information revealed to build MORE suspense towards the other results of the whole entire arc.
The other person of notable interest is WB, which SHOULD die right here and stuff. WB should be killed and should be the one to ensure that all the NW pirates are able to safely flee... However, since some will not care and will still ATTACK without care about their captain's orders and stuff, I feel that many others will recklessly die from the emotion of the death of Ace.
I don't see Buggy the Clown dying here either, but his fate can go many ways and stuff... Furthermore, I think that there will be a lot of scenes that will basically end without us knowing the result. I do feel that Luffy will be either waking up on a future time limit, or he will basically be shown being saved.
Nonetheless, I am more than sure that Oda will NOT show the results of the war by which WB will die... We already KNOW that WB will die, it is shown in a billion ways, we don't need to SEE it happen since we know that will happen.
We also know that Luffy must survive to progress the story, regardless what happens, Luffy will have to MOVE ahead and make the story go on.
We also don't seem too troubled about what happens to any other character either, we can assume that certain characters will fade... BUT, we are assured that some villains will SURVIVE because of their influence towards the story:
We don't know the fate of the following:
We can be sure that these guys will live:
Regardless, the end results leave a lot of plot paths to pick up on… here's a few:
In my humble opinion, I assume that Luffy will be saved by the NW pirates and or Ivankov's help. I assume that he will be returned to Rayleigh's and will sleep for a long time…
I assume that Hancock won't be caught and she'll return to her island alone. I assume that if BB does come, we won't know about it until probably moments later since I assume that the story will fade to an end and a flashback will involve BB coming to take the head of WB.
I assume both Buggy and Akainu will be promoted. I also feel that WB pirates will be destroyed due to them being too emotional, only a few will survive…
So, I assume that many things will happen and Garp will probably be less pleased at being a marine. He may be killed even...
What I do hope is that Oda does head towards this plot line:
We'll be stuck with a little build up of LUffy's past.
Then, we'll finally have FI where Luffy should make some big things towards the whole entire state of it…
Those are just my takes on it, I am CERTAIN that WB will die soon too, but I am pretty sure it'll be in a flashback since his chance to die in glory had passed already... He shouldn't be shown dead since there's already no more reason to continue showing struggles between characters when the main character has already gone beyond and can't seemingly do anything.[/hide]
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Maybe he can be of help
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You know what? Gantz actually is one of the few manga that I feel uses the "bring character back to life" in the most interesting, exciting manner.
I love that manga.
Is that the DF getting out of Ace body ???
And wow, as expected Garp was going to kill Akainu :-o
ACE used PROTECT!
AKAINU used MAGMA FIST!
The attack was SUPER EFFECTIVE!!
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ACE fainted!
@Frozen:
Well the maries will probably stop the transmision when wb is dead and it would serve what they wanted to show.The number of new pirates decrease dramaticly after seeing how the son of Roger and the worlds strongest man fared against the marines.
WB will die along with Marine HQ sinking into the sea.
This is the beginning of the end for the WG. I look forward to the day when Luffy absolutely batters Akainu to a bloody pulp. It'll be a million times more satisfying than Charlos & Bellamy being taken out in 1 Hit combined
Again, vague references ticks me off to no end.
Site it, quote it, or make it apparent where it's from.He mentioned in a very early SBS (volume 4, page90) when asked why Luffy doesn't kill his enemies, that he believes Luffy killing his enemies is not a high priority, but rather, breaking their hearts and desire, and losing their dreams equals to death.
The SBS was about protagonist killing or not killing his opponents, and is irrelavant to people's claim of "LOL ODA DOESN'T KILL HIS CHARACTERS".
The interview I translated is far more relative to the topic.
Yes that, have searched over the internet for 30 mins without success. You should not be ticked off, we are doing our best.
As to wheather it is relevant or not, I do believe it is, he demonstrates in that very "interview" that he is not keen on killing characters. That with the help of precedens which he set with TIME (400+ chapters of manga without the a death) that made the "monster" you so "fear" Aohige and that is people simply suming it up to that one sentence:
"Oda does not kill his characters"
As for Gantz it is basically the same concept DB used either you score points or you find dragonballs, you have to do something in return risking your life and the life of those you love in the process
WB will die along with Marine HQ sinking into the sea.
This is the beginning of the end for the WG. I look forward to the day when Luffy absolutely batters Akainu to a bloody pulp. It'll be a million times more satisfying than Charlos & Bellamy being taken out in 1 Hit combined
I do think that WG will be destroyed by Dragon in the future when Akainu is in charge because it is fitting that Dragon takes over and kills or fights Akainu on account of what has happened this chapter.
I just think that Ace dying is the biggest moment of this arc and there's nothing else left to see… having Luffy punch an admiral isn't good because he won't learn anything… It's better to have him like in CHAPTER ONE when he knew he couldn't even land a punch on him… and grew at an impressive rate.
It's better to just let Luffy remain unconscious and then be shown in a flashback of stuff, or something…
ACE used PROTECT!
AKAINU used MAGMA FIST!
The attack was SUPER EFFECTIVE!!
ACE fainted.
Win.
sixteen chars.
After all this not living up to his hype to talk we shouldn't forget those guys that do live up to their hype:
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VOTE AKAINU 2010!!! A man who get's the job done! :devil:
…is it character tournament time already? I thought we still had a couple months.
VOTE AKAINU 2010!!! A man who get's the job done! :devil:
Yep he's definately the MVP of this war. Who knew that when he said 2 chapters ago "don't worry I won't let them escape" he was actually telling the truth!!
I don't know is Akainu getting more or less voters because of this :'D
Don't know if I mentioned it but I doubt Luffy will go haki mode or enter a berseker mode and if he does I'm hoping for Jimbei to karate chop his neck again and for everyone to try and escape. Captain's orders are still captain's final orders.
It's time to go and wrap this up. I'd only see this being dragged out if BB showed up.
@Aohige_AP:
You know what? Gantz actually is one of the few manga that I feel uses the "bring character back to life" in the most interesting, exciting manner.
I love that manga.
Yeah really is a great manga. Wish it wasn't coming to an end.
Seriously…Akainu should get Sengoku's job after this.
Ace of Spades, the card of death, finally lives up to his name.
Yes that, have searched over the internet for 30 mins without success. You should not be ticked off, we are doing our best.
As to wheather it is relevant or not, I do believe it is, he demonstrates in that very "interview" that he is not keen on killing characters. That with the help of precedens which he set with TIME (400+ chapters of manga without the a death) that made the "monster" you so "fear" Aohige and that is people simply suming it up to that one sentence:
"Oda does not kill his characters"As for Gantz it is basically the same concept DB used either you score points or you find dragonballs, you have to do something in return risking your life and the life of those you love in the process
Well, you see, for one I dislike people using "vague references" for their basis of argument.
I mean, it's completely pointless to even argue, if they can't even be sure of their sources! :blink:
And Oda not liking to kill his characters doesn't mean he believes he should never do it. A writer can say, he doesn't like to use cheap sex scenes for romantic stories, but that doesn't mean he will never have his characters have sex. "Summing up in one word" is a very dangerous and frankly stupid move. It's typecasting for the sake of talk, which is fine when all sides understand it for what it is.
The problem is when that typecast statement gets around, and starts becoming accepted as a bible, words set in stone.
That's when I start telling them "site, quote, or STFU".
I am being perfectly logical, no?
I don't know is Akainu getting more or less voters because of this :'D
I think it's both. He's in an infinite love/hate loop right now. He'll get back to you after the beep.
I think Luffy has passed out. :(
I think too. Emotionally too hard to stand.
He will wake up somewhere else in 6 months/1 year. I just hope we will see what happens with WB/Akainu/Garp/BB before we switch to the new "arc". Because he we don't see anything, that will mean that BB didn't come to MarineFord. Unless he is the one to take down Akainu ? Sorry but I don't want to see Luffy hating Akainu for the rest of the story, it would not be Luffy anymore.
@Hentaihige_AP:
A writer can say, he doesn't like to use cheap sex scenes for romantic stories, but that doesn't mean he will never have his characters have sex.
Of course this is your analogy.
Well, you see, for one I dislike people using "vague references" for their basis of argument.
I mean, it's completely pointless to even argue, if they can't even be sure of their sources! :blink:And Oda not liking to kill his characters doesn't mean he believes he should never do it. A writer can say, he doesn't like to use cheap sex scenes for romantic stories, but that doesn't mean he will never have his characters have sex. "Summing up in one word" is a very dangerous and frankly stupid move. It's typecasting for the sake of talk, which is fine when all sides understand it for what it is.
The problem is when that typecast statement gets around, and starts becoming accepted as a bible, words set in stone.
That's when I start telling them "site, quote, or STFU".I am being perfectly logical, no?
Yes Aohige Sensei
Though me, Greg and Robby (and some other people ofcourse) had/have our own religion which is based on we wont believe it untill we see it and also we wana see it because it takes away from us the (insert the word) when reading (insert scene)
After this chapter i foresee a Kuma like Vegapunk modified Ace-bot. Heard it here first.
After this chapter i foresee a Kuma like Vegapunk modified Ace-bot. Heard it here first.
No, heard it like page 5 first. Then again somewhere in this thread.
did anyone notice luffy's eyes at that last page?
1. Either he is going to go "berserker" mode
or
2. faint.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Yeah really is a great manga. Wish it wasn't coming to an end.
Really? I'm actually the other way around.
The more awesome a story is, I can't wait till it ends.
Especially in manga industry where so many titles either gets dragged out until it loses its flavor, or gets canned before a proper conclusion.
A popular manga getting a proper ending is a blessing!
I'm glad that FullMetal Alchemst and Gantz are wrapping up their epic stories.
I can't wait till Berserk does the same. (hopefully in the next two decades)
Yep he's definately the MVP of this war. Who knew that when he said 2 chapters ago "don't worry I won't let them escape" he was actually telling the truth!!
Yeah that passed my mind too. That's rare as hell in manga.
@Twisted:
Seriously…Akainu should get Sengoku's job after this.
I've gave Sengoku coming up short in this war some thought too. He doesn't look like the take the credit type and I know he probably had to keep an eye on Garp and worry about what he was going to do but still he aint do jack shit in this manga except for temporarily use his DF to make the platform collapse.
He literally has no signs shown of being a boss type character. I really thought he'd at least prove he can fight (w/ a healthy WB preferably) but dude is usually off screen or standing around with a constipated expression on his face.
@robbybedfart:
…is it character tournament time already? I thought we still had a couple months.
I see nothing wrong with starting campaigns a little early. :ninja:
I don't know is Akainu getting more or less voters because of this :'D
The Ace waggon wouldn't have voted for him anyways so this is aimed at all the people that are indicessive. :happy:
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Don't know if I mentioned it but I doubt Luffy will go haki mode or enter a berseker mode and if he does I'm hoping for Jimbei to karate chop his neck again and for everyone to try and escape. Captain's orders are still captain's final orders.
It's time to go and wrap this up. I'd only see this being dragged out if BB showed up.
Oh yeah, Ace's death just blew another dumb theory of mine out of the water: Blackbeard releasing ID guys to attack Fishman Island to destroy Whitebeard.
Next Chapter: WB and Luffy vs. Akainu….....gomu gomu no gigant earthquake bazooka with haki
Yes Aohige Sensei
Though me, Greg and Robby (and some other people ofcourse) had/have our own religion which is based on we wont believe it untill we see it and also we wana see it because it takes away from us the (insert the word) when reading (insert scene)
Oh, there's nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, I think it's perfectly logical.
I'm more annoyed by the people who stick to certain ideas based on…. absolutely nothing. Not even a source, just their belief that a source existed.
You know what I'm talking about. You see them all the time. :sad:
I'm starting to think he won't go berserk. Considering he had a look somewhere between shock and horror at the end, I'm thinking he's going to end up passing out from physical exhaustion and being an emotional wreck.
@Mister:
Next Chapter: WB and Luffy vs. Akainu….....gomu gomu no gigant earthquake bazooka with haki
Sounds awesome. Really.
Oh, there's nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, I think it's perfectly logical.
I'm more annoyed by the people who stick to certain ideas based on…. absolutely nothing. Not even a source, just their belief that a source existed.You know what I'm talking about. You see them all the time. :sad:
Well idk wont talk smack cause perhaps I am no better.
Anyways I have never waited so anxiously for scanlations. Never!
As also not my country (I usually tell them about spoilers/chapter/scanlations first)
I wouldn't necessarily deny the possibility that Ace could be brought back at all since the revival concept pretty much isn't an unthinkable thing in manga.
@Weekly:
I: (snipped by Brennen) In other words, people don't come back to life. How come you don't use the character revival plots like other manga?
O: Well, it's unnatural for people to come back to life, don't you think? (laughs) I don't like that type of stereotypical fantasy. That's why I want to have reasons for whatever happens in the manga, but if I have to resort to bringing someone back to life, it's better not to kill them in the first place. That's why my characters don't die, even when they're on the verge of death.
Just in case you missed it Ivotas…!! >:O
Really? I'm actually the other way around.
The more awesome a story is, I can't wait till it ends.
Especially in manga industry where so many titles either gets dragged out until it loses its flavor, or gets canned before a proper conclusion.
A popular manga getting a proper ending is a blessing!I'm glad that FullMetal Alchemst and Gantz are wrapping up their epic stories.
I can't wait till Berserk does the same. (hopefully in the next two decades)
I look forward to the end but it's just I want the journey to keep going a while. Same with FMA but not as much as Gantz simply because of all the struggle Kei has gone through. The character development was top notch with him but I guess there isn't much to go from here other than saving the day.
FMA kinda has that appeal that makes me want to know how it will end.
@S.C.:
Oh yeah, Ace's death just blew another dumb theory of mine out of the water: Blackbeard releasing ID guys to attack Fishman Island to destroy Whitebeard.
Part of that can still happen lol. BB could still attack the island for w/e reason. Maybe that's where Poseidon is.
Next chapter.
"The Death of Monkey D. Luffy"
After a short interlude, the series will start following the real protagonist, Coby, as he tries to rise up through the ranks of the noble marines against the evil pirate forces.
Just in case you missed it Ivotas…!! >:O
lol, he really cares for him
Anyonwe but Coby please!
Though I could do with series taking a dramatic turn towards Hentai and we follow Hancock as she rises through the "ranks" in porn industry.
I have said it outloud havent I?
I think too. Emotionally too hard to stand.
He will wake up somewhere else in 6 months/1 year. I just hope we will see what happens with WB/Akainu/Garp/BB before we switch to the new "arc". Because he we don't see anything, that will mean that BB didn't come to MarineFord. Unless he is the one to take down Akainu ? Sorry but I don't want to see Luffy hating Akainu for the rest of the story, it would not be Luffy anymore.
I dunno… Ace hated BB for killing someone who was 'just' his friend and fellow crewmate, and hunted him down even AFTER WB told him it was too dangerous. Luffy and he obviously think alike so it's not too much of a stretch to think Luffy would hate Akainu for killing his brother -- unless Akainu was more moral-based like Smoker, like; "I only killed him because he is a pirate and I am a marine, nothing more." and maybe felt BAD about it. Akainu does NOT feel bad about this at all and obviously would go to any length to pursue his idea of 'justice', rather like Lucchi and Spandam/Spandine.
And I really hope this timeskip doesn't come too soon. I think after some recollecting on this arc we should see what the rest of the SHs are up to, or maybe Dragon or something. I have to wonder what he thinks about all this.. he's got to be working on something important that he didn't have the time to be bothered with the whole Ace/WB situation.
@robbybedfart:
Next chapter.
"The Death of Monkey D. Luffy"After a short interlude, the series will start following the real protagonist, Coby, as he tries to rise up through the ranks of the noble marines against the evil pirate forces.
One Piece 第99話 "ルフィが死んだ"
Chapter 99 "Luffy died"
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@robbybedfart:
Next chapter.
"The Death of Monkey D. Luffy"After a short interlude, the series will start following the real protagonist, Coby, as he tries to rise up through the ranks of the noble marines against the evil pirate forces.
Lawls
It was asked in the spoiler thread I think but what author really has the balls to kill his main character in the middle of the story in an action/adventure/battle work of fiction?
It points to 99% FAIL but I'm sure the right guy can make it work if he has good enough supporting characters to take the spot.
I dunno… Ace hated BB for killing someone who was 'just' his friend and fellow crewmate, and hunted him down even AFTER WB told him it was too dangerous.
I think you misread something in the story !
Ace didn't hate BB, he had to do his job, which was to punish anyone who kills a crewmate.
Well Aohige mentioned Jojo if it counts Zik
Who put a spoiler tag on my other post… DARN!!
@robbybedfart:
Next chapter.
"The Death of Monkey D. Luffy"After a short interlude, the series will start following the real protagonist, Coby, as he tries to rise up through the ranks of the noble marines against the evil pirate forces.
Why not have Akainu perform the JUSTICE!!
Smoker would be pissed though, all his life will be wasted since Luffy is taken down…
WB will survive handicapped and teach luffy to use his haki properly, and that's probably our timeskip.