after this arc marco will work in a circus in west blue, showing his useless antic-zoan fruit…and jozu will open a diamond-shop for rich people in the south blue...so they will finally find their true destiny...because as pirates they FAILED BIG TIME^^
Chapter 574 "The Death of Portgas D. Ace" Discussion
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OH SNAP
I didn't expect the whole thing to be out already. o_OI'll get to working on it ASAP
Hello, Good day Aohige :)
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That's because that face ruins the emotional impact the situation should have on me.
Randomly…
http://savatier.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2008/07/guernica.1216391366.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_%28painting%29
I think Oda shows all his genius in a single pic. A the very first I though like you that face kind of humorous. But it's not.
It's not because of the blood, because of the eyes rolling, because the way that face (which is supposed to be near the manga funny sleeping face) loses all its meaning to become something strongly disturbing, unhealthy, frightening.
Oda in this single pic reversed all manga/shonen codes, to make the hilarious offensive.
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To be honest, I'm more crying about the thought of the day Ace is revealed to still be alive (seriously, why do you think he's dead? Oars Jr. showed just as many proofs of being dead, when Moria impaled him… And no, the Vivrecard isn't a proof - as I said, there might be a microscopic bit of the Vivrecard back and then Ivankov will "revive" him with Healing Hormones)
'Cause the day it's revealed Ace is still alive, APForums will die more than any One Piece character will ever do, only inhabited by ranting about how Oda doesn't kill off his characters... -
i don´t like the last expression… but rip ace
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As i remeber from the sbs oda said it
And this is what was from the start of the manga
A lot of people that should die were stilll alive and everybody know this
that's why we are waitng for iva to do something or it might be by a nex personage
I'm so astonished when oda did it like this so easly and badly
And don't forget how the others lost against marine, from impel down to this bad end
The revolutiony army commanders lost against magellan in 2 seconds
mister one lost against mihawk with one touch
marco and jozu against kizaru and aokiji so easly
WB couldn't do anything against akaino
and finaly ace dies stupidly
and this is the most dangerous pirates in the one piece world
anderstand me ?Well both Marco and Jozu got distracted cuz of WB… Before that they made a good job... But you can't let yourself be destracted if you fight and admiral. and btw Marco was mroe than 2 vs 1
WB on the other hand was stabbed by his own comrade before and wan't at "full" power anymore... even before that he was heavily sick and weakend cuz of his age.
But before the stabbing from Squado he totally shitted on the admirals
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To be honest, I'm more crying about the thought of the day Ace is revealed to still be alive (seriously, why do you think he's dead? Oars Jr. showed just as many proofs of being dead, when Moria impaled him… And no, the Vivrecard isn't a proof - as I said, there might be a microscopic bit of the Vivrecard back and then Ivankov will "revive" him with Healing Hormones)
'Cause the day it's revealed Ace is still alive, APForums will die more than any One Piece character will ever do, only inhabited by ranting about how Oda doesn't kill off his characters...Gotta love how Oda just lies to us in the title of the chapter… wait
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Gotta love how Oda just lies to us in the title of the chapter… wait
Well, chapter 99 was titled "Luffy died".
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Hm ok, I thought it was actually pretty gripping, an "utter mental shock" face which fits because it is the first time Luffy has encountered something like this in his happy-go-lucky journey.
Don't get me wrong. But thanks to that widely opened mouth that generally having a comedic connotation in One Piece the face totally is lacking any tragic flair to me.
Heck, the first impression I've got when looking at the face was "Oda is trolling the fandom".
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No it was "Luffy's last words" and come on, NO ONE is going to think the main character dies.
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Comparing Ace's death to the whole Oars Jr's fiasco sounds just hilarious. How much deeper into denial can a fanboy sinks
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Only three words: I hate Oda!!!
Aceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:
Why ace!!?!? Why not Whitebeard!?!?!? Or someone else?!?!? -
As i remeber from the sbs oda said it
And this is what was from the start of the manga
A lot of people that should die were stilll alive and everybody know this
that's why we are waitng for iva to do something or it might be by a nex personageIn that SBS I think I remember that he said something like "in this era there is no difference on killing or defeating en ennemy, only victory matters".
In this era, the Gol D. Roger's one. Something like five minutes before dying Ace proclaimed a new era. If it wasn't Oda I would not think such old SBS matters, but since it's Oda…
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I don't think I could ever take OP seriously again if Ace survived.
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I don't think I could ever take OP seriously again if Ace survived.
Indeed, the series would be pretty much dead in my eyes. Turned into a joke forever.
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OH OH I know Maybe Luffy wakes up and it was all a dream :D
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No it was "Luffy's last words" and come on, NO ONE is going to think the main character dies.
No, literally it is "Luffy died". The title on Onemanga is one of the typical mistranslations in the bad scanlations of the first 300 chapters or so.
I agree with you, but still - just looking at the title, you could crazily imagine that Luffy in one chapter finally found One Piece and became executed like Gold Roger (stupid and not very likely, but usually you can't predict a chapter on its title). Like when I saw the cover and the title of volume 12, "The legend begins" (I didn't know the contents or the amount of One Piece volumes at that time), I actually thought they found One Piece in that volume.
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To me Luffy's face on the last page ruins the total built up the chapter has had. That widely opened mouth has too much of a humorous touch to it. It just doesn't make me think of a tragedic moment.
i thought so too but if you look at the panels leading up to it you can see it forming and it actually seems alot more painful…like i dunno if you've ever lost someone really close to you but those 3 panels basically sum up your feelings on the inside. It 3 panels he manages to show how frustrating the realization of trying keep someone alive is and the immense pain and anger and sadness that develops. Its a cry of pain and a cry of the defeated and a cry of sadness....it makes me want to cry it really does...
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Ok, now i believe it. Good writing Oda. At least Ace accomplished his dream, so even he died with a smile on his face. He got the answer "yes" to the question if he should have been born. Luffy helped him big time there
LOL, Luffys expression looks pretty funny actually
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Well both Marco and Jozu got distracted cuz of WB… Before that they made a good job... But you can't let yourself be destracted if you fight and admiral. and btw Marco was mroe than 2 vs 1
WB on the other hand was stabbed by his own comrade before and wan't at "full" power anymore... even before that he was heavily sick and weakend cuz of his age.
But before the stabbing from Squado he totally shitted on the admirals
Yeah this it
How could someone in this level take his gard down and he's face to an admiral?
Is this possible for a commander of the strongst pirate in the world
As i said oda made it always that way just try to remember the other scens and u will find it especially inazuma vs magellan -
OH SNAP
I didn't expect the whole thing to be out already. o_OI'll get to working on it ASAP
Hardworking person by nature aren't you
Thank you
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To be honest, I'm more crying about the thought of the day Ace is revealed to still be alive (seriously, why do you think he's dead? Oars Jr. showed just as many proofs of being dead, when Moria impaled him… And no, the Vivrecard isn't a proof - as I said, there might be a microscopic bit of the Vivrecard back and then Ivankov will "revive" him with Healing Hormones)
'Cause the day it's revealed Ace is still alive, APForums will die more than any One Piece character will ever do, only inhabited by ranting about how Oda doesn't kill off his characters... -
When I see Luffy's expression it makes me think about the movie the ring and the face people got there. It makes me wonder if Luffy actually passed out and stays keeping that face.
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When I see Luffy's expression it makes me think about the movie the ring and the face people got there. It makes me wonder if Luffy actually passed out and stays keeping that face.
He was about to scream in the previous panel and then just passed out. That's how I see it.
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Page 1 Cover
Chapter 574: Portgas D. Ace is deadPage 2
Pirates: Ace is down!!!!!!!Page 3
Pirates: Stop Akainu!!!! Shoot him!!!Page 4
Curiel: Damn, we can't stop him a all!!
Akainu: It looks like you're still breathing….
Luffy: Stop!!!!
Jinbei: Anymore than that will......Page 5
Pirates: Jinbei!!!
Mr3: WEEELLLL!!! Thanks, you saved me hmmm? I thought I was going to...
Marco: Just shut up and take this cuffs off me!!!Jinbei: pant
Akainu: Stop trying to buy time, Jinbei. It's pointless.
As a former Shichibukai, you know my power very well....
Jinbei: If I can buy time with my own life... then so be it!! I've already given up my life for this!!!Page 6
Marine: Vice Admiral Garp!! What are you... What are you doing!!!
Grap: That's right, Sengoku... you better keep me down!!! If not... I will... KILL SAKAZUKI!!!
Sengoku: ....!!! You fool....!!!
Akainu: Well, it looks like I'm going to have to punish a traitor as well....
Pirates: Jinbei, get down!!!Page 7
Pirates: Commander Vista!!! Commander Marco!!!
Akainu: ....!!! Gah....!!!!! Damn, annnoying.... Haki users....!!!
Don't you understand? Fire-fist is done for already!!!
Vista: We will forever regret letting our guard down that moment....!!
Marco: How could we.....!!Page 8
Pirates: Ace!!
Ace: ....!! I'm sorry.... Luffy....
Luffy: Ace!! We got to get you to a doctor as soon as poss....
Ace: I'm sorry for failing to be saved.....!!!Page 9
Luffy: What!? Don't say that, stop being silly!!! Someone!! Tend to Ace!! Save him!!!!
Pirate: Hurry, doc!!! He needs first aid!!
Doc: yeah!!
Ace: It's no use!!!! I can tell when my own life is about to end....!!
Ace: Look at it, my innards are burned...!! I won't last much longer.....
that's why Luffy, you gotta hear me out....!!!
Luffy: ....!!! What... are you saying Ace!? Are you going to die!? You... you promised me!!!!Page 10
Luffy: You promised me you will never die!!! You said it yourself!!!
Ace: Yeah... if it wasn't for that incident with Sabo, and a troublesome brother like you... I wouldn't have wanted to live in the first place....
(flashback people: If Gold Roger had a kid, he should be executed!!!)
Ace: That's what they wanted... it can't be helped....
(flashback people: How about we pound nails into him... for every men that hates Roger in the world?)
(flashback people: Howabout we burn him alive, make his dying picture a laughing stock of the world? Everyone would say it... "Hahaha, that's what you get!") -
Yeah this it
How could someone in this level take his gard down and he's face to an admiral?
Is this possible for a commander of the strongst pirate in the world
As i said oda made it always that way just try to remember the other scens and u will find it especially inazuma vs magellanCuz their beloved father had troubles… But who cares it is over now
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Luffy face on the last page doesn`t look so bad … he simply lost consciouness, just like after he was kicked by kizaru! I was expecting a more tearful one, something the cries "agony" in your face! Compared to Aces "2-page-face" ... there I had to swallow back my tears!
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Don't get me wrong. But thanks to that widely opened mouth that generally having a comedic connotation in One Piece the face totally is lacking any tragic flair to me.
Heck, the first impression I've got when looking at the face was "Oda is trolling the fandom".
Personally I could have done without that bit of snot running down his nose which made it look a bit comical but yeah there was lots of build-up leading up to that moment so all good for me.
Only three words: I hate Oda!!!
Aceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:
Why ace!!?!? Why not Whitebeard!?!?!? Or someone else?!?!?Oh Whitebeard is the next one to go, don't worry!
Btw what would the appropriate grieving period be before making an "Akainu is awesome" thread?
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Poor grap , still i would love to see him kick some ass.
Personally I could have done without that bit of snot running down his nose which made it look a bit comical but yeah there was lots of build-up leading up to that moment so all good for me.
Oh Whitebeard is the next one to go, don't worry!
Btw what would the appropriate grieving period be before making an "Akainu is awesome" thread?
The pirates need to get hell out of there so WB can sink marine HQ.
But this also show what a monster WB is ,he took almost the same blow as Ace and he still out there messing up marines. -
Personally I could have done without that bit of snot running down his nose which made it look a bit comical but yeah there was lots of build-up leading up to that moment so all good for me.
Oh Whitebeard is the next one to go, don't worry!
Btw what would the appropriate grieving period be before making an "Akainu is awesome" thread?
3 days
the marine did what no other could
kill
killed marines
killed pirates
killed aceprobably gonna kill wb and lufys dad
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Next chapter "Birth of Gol D. Ann"
If Ace survives this way would you be fine with it? ^^;
…anyone in general...rofl :D
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You know, I would love to see Garp beat the tar out of Akainu.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure that the only reason that Garp isn't the Fleet Admiral himself is because he doesn't want to be, possibly compounded with age (Unlikely, as Sengoku is probably around the same age as him)
In Chapter 0 Aoikiji clearly asks Garp if he'll be an admiral, and he replies along the lines of 'what fun would that be?' I'm pretty sure Garp has the power and skill to take on any of the admirals, possibly even Sengoku. He was the only Marine who could match Gold Roger, after all.
It's a shame, really, since the only action we've seen from Garp (aside from that one punch to Marco) have been him throwing fights to Luffy. That's the one thing that bothers me about this arc, as I was looking forward to three Marines fighting styles to be showcased (Akainu, Garp, and Sengoku) and, honestly, we've only seen Akainu really strut his stuff.
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Next chapter "Birth of Gol D. Ann"
If Ace survives this way would you be fine with it? ^^;
…anyone in general...rofl :D
No I wouldn't, this is huge, I want Ace to stay dead. If Oda honestly revives Ace in ANY way at this point, as I said before I just would not be able to take this manga seriously.
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Finally it happens. No big deal, I m okay with this. But big fail with the last page, Luffys face is… horrible. Ace's death is shown really good, I like the view points and poses. Would be one of the best chapters if Luffy's face could been something else... I expect better after reading that spoiler providers line. Over all, good chapter. Not even manly tears. And Whitebeard will live or at least JUST die after this, not possible. Sidenote, "I never die"phrase is really great.
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(flashback people: The last words should be "I'm sorry for being born at all, I'm such a trash". Well, that is if he even exists)
(flashback Dadan?: Ace!!! I heard you went crazy in town again!!!)
(flashback Ace: Shut up!!! If I could, I'd kill them all!!)Ace: Oh yeah, if you see Dadan again…. tell him I said hi....
now that I know I'm going to die... I miss even a guy like him....
Luffy: ....!!!
Ace: There is one regret I have..... it's that I won't be able to see your dream come true....
But you... I know you can do it...!! You're my bro!!!!Page 12-16
Ace: As I promised long ago... I have no regrets in my life!!
Luffy: ....no, you lie!!!
Ace: pant no... it's not a lie....
What I really wanted.... appearantly wasn't "fame" at all....
The only thing I wanted was to know if it was ok for me to be born into this world....
I can't even raise my voice anymore... Luffy, tell what I'm about to say to everyone.....
Ace: pops.... everyone... and Luffy.....(flashback Ace: Come out!! I came here to take the head of Whitebeard!!)
Ace: Even a no-goooder like me... a worthless son of a demon like me.....
(flashback pirates: Ace!! We're gonna save you, so don't give up on us!!!)
Thank you for loving me....!!!Page 17
(flashback Ace: Gramps, was it ok for me to be born?)
(flashback Ace: Did you think I died?)
(flashback Luffy: but.... sob)
(flashback Ace: What are you crying for!! Don't kill me yet!!)
(flashback Ace: I promise!! I won't die!! I can't leave a crybaby brother like you behind!!)
(flashback Rouge: If it's a boy, his name is Ace... Gol D. Ace) -
Oh God. Its true. I had desperately held on to the hope it might turn out to be fake…but its not. God dammit. His whole life was a tragedy all because of the WG...just because of who his father was. I hope Whitebeard unleashes hell on those fuckers.
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No I wouldn't, this is huge, I want Ace to stay dead. If Oda honestly revives Ace in ANY way at this point, as I said before I just would not be able to take this manga seriously.
I agree completely. To do that would completely drive home the point that every single one piece battle doesn't really net anything.
Though, I'm a touch sad about how the chapter was named. I think that if the title was "The Death of Gol D. Ace" It would have had more impact, as it would have shown that he accepted who he was, as well as quell all of this "HE MIGHT COME BACK AS GOL, LOL"
EDIT: I take that back. The only way I'd accept Ace coming back will be if he comes back as Portagaz D. Trace, then everyone in Marinford starts rapping.
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What I really wanted…. apparantly wasn't "fame" at all....
The only thing I wanted was to know if it was ok for me to be born into this world....
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Ace: Even a no-goooder like me… a worthless son of a demon like me.....
Thank you for loving me....!!!So Ace just wanted to be loved.. I mean is he really Roger's son? Gonna need a DNA test to confirm now.
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I just noticed, Ace died with a smile. A picture speaks a thousand words indeed.
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Seriously ppl, don't you feel bad for Ace ? (aside fanboys of course)
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I was afraid of the spoilers being true. R.I.P. Ace. =/
Man, this chapter is one of the few that makes me really sad, but I'm glad Oda had the guts to kill an important character.
I'm with everyone else. Ace has to stay dead or I'll be disappointed in this manga.
Thanks for the translations and pics, whomever it was.
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So Ace just wanted to be loved.. I mean is he really Roger's son? Gonna need a DNA test to confirm now.
You know Whitebeard playing pops to all these pirates, what if he isn't playing and is REALLY their father. Yes, even Ace's. Roger was awesome in every way, except in this department. Poor Rogue.
Makes his strongest man claim believable, doesn't it?
Really, who would believe the 20 month pregnancy BS? Rogue just couldn't resist WB's manliness.
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So Ace just wanted to be loved.. I mean is he really Roger's son? Gonna need a DNA test to confirm now.
Hey, hey, hey! He also had a MOM you know! Of course he wouldn't be exactly like his father. Roger didn't spit him out…!
But someone else could've~
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I still can't see Ace staying dead after what Luffy gave up to save him, leaving Bon Clay in ID, what all the Whitebeard pirates did, Oars sacrifice, Whitebeard's rapidly approaching sacrifice, Jinbei. Even with Crocodile & Daz and Mister 3 helping. That is some retarded shit.
Anyways if he does stay dead…I only read/love One Piece because it makes me happy. Not looking for a brilliant or realistic story. And if this is the end of Ace then I think I'm out for the most part. I do want to see what happens to Whitebeard + crew and I'm insanely curious about Crocodile's past but losing that happy vibe isn't something I'm interested in.
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Its not gonna lose the happy vibe. Its just has some sad parts.
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Its not gonna lose the happy vibe. Its just has some sad parts.
Sorry, I was talking about my own personal happy vibe. The one that didn't have to worry about characters dying. Not having to worry about that was one of my favorite things.
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I still can't see Ace staying dead after what Luffy gave up to save him, leaving Bon Clay in ID, what all the Whitebeard pirates did, Oars sacrifice, Whitebeard's rapidly approaching sacrifice, Jinbei. Even with Crocodile & Daz and Mister 3 helping. That is some retarded shit.
Anyways if he does stay dead…I only read/love One Piece because it makes me happy. Not looking for a brilliant or realistic story. And if this is the end of Ace then I think I'm out for the most part. I do want to see what happens to Whitebeard + crew and I'm insanely curious about Crocodile's past but losing that happy vibe isn't something I'm interested in.
The happy vibe i get is from a good story not watching characters be happy :getlost:
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Thanks for the translation Aohige. Apparantly Ace really is Oda's worst written character. :(
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The happy vibe i get is from a good story not watching characters be happy :getlost:
Well that's how we're different, aren't we?
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I still can't see Ace staying dead after what Luffy gave up to save him, leaving Bon Clay in ID, what all the Whitebeard pirates did, Oars sacrifice, Whitebeard's rapidly approaching sacrifice, Jinbei. Even with Crocodile & Daz and Mister 3 helping. That is some retarded shit.
Anyways if he does stay dead…I only read/love One Piece because it makes me happy. Not looking for a brilliant or realistic story. And if this is the end of Ace then I think I'm out for the most part. I do want to see what happens to Whitebeard + crew and I'm insanely curious about Crocodile's past but losing that happy vibe isn't something I'm interested in.
wow that's so sad D: I'm glad I don't feel that way about OP. I plan on sticking with it till the end.