It's happening 100% likely, you can quote me on this in your sig.
Hypothetically though if Ace does survive this arc how would you react?
Bad writing?
It's happening 100% likely, you can quote me on this in your sig.
Hypothetically though if Ace does survive this arc how would you react?
Bad writing?
It's happening 100% likely, you can quote me on this in your sig.
I personally don't think that he is going to die.
Can you explain to me why this is a certainty to you?
That is, unless he has some special ability we haven't seen yet. But at this point, it's doubtful.
Would his ability to beat the snot out of logia users with his bisento count? Seemed to work wonders against Ace.
Wouldnt argue against that his crew is part of the powerbase that makes him number one tho.
Luffy can't beat a Vice Admiral?
How the hell is a Vice Admiral gonna be the main antagonist of this arc. That makes no sense. Do you even know what an antagonist is.
I DO have an antagonist in mind, but saying it always gets everyone's panties in a bunch. It's Magellan, okay?
Alright so you don't know what an antagonist is.
Also that would be absurd as fuck. Stupid. And all around random.
Someones coming back from Impel Down who will probably fight (and kick the ass of) Luffy, but it sure as hell isn't him.
Luffy will beat Magellan with his haki. There I said it. Are you happy man? You could have left this alone, but no, you had to start something!
What Haki? How the hell is he going to develop something he can at best knock out oxes with into a battle deciding factor.
And I'm still laughing at MAGELLAN being your idea, go what awful writing that would be.
"Hey guys I know your caught up in this exciting war but here, the antagonist from the previous arc who we already spent a fuck ton of chapters dealing with is back for more! Wheee! This is so much more exciting then the current events."
But yet there was 43 ship worth of NW pirates rushing head on, now don't you think they'll be a bit preoccupied even if they notice Luffy and his group?
Your idea of battle chaos is apparently complete blindess of a bunch of famous people who are your enemies anyway running by.
I'm saying Ivankov may suggest it and they may use stealth halfway before Luffy blows it or all of ten ft prior to him blowing it,
And I'm saying Ivankov isn't stupid enough to think they can stealth through a billion top dog marines. I mean seriously, what the hell stealth are you even thinking of.
my point is that even if/when they notice him they would already be too busy with the 12 ft tall motherfucker who's cracking air as well as his cohorts to spare anyone stronger than Smoker on Luffy and the ragtags.
Jimbei and Ivankov, truly ragtags. The Shichibukai and the revolutionary officer. Hmmmmmmmm yessssss.
I can't imagine Ivankov not even suggesting a plan now that the possibility of Dragon not coming exists.
His plan will be "hey lets join the fight because sneaking past is a fantasy".
TheHerald sure is entertaining.
@Kairouseki:
How the hell can Luffy beat Magellan if they've already left ID behind? You think Magellan's going to travel into the middle of a war? And again with the Haki…
Why the hell is haki so taboo? Now unless you think we're getting some sort of haki training arc a la Naruto, then the only other way Luffy will use it as we know he will is by realising it and start implementing it himself and tbh based off how many times he's accidentally used it, plus seeing it used by the kuja and his ability to pick up combat knowledge quickly I wouldn't be surprised that he already has his powerup ready but knew it would be too draining to use till he atleast had Ace in sight. Think about it, Luffy is not retarded enough to think he could save Ace under these conditions, nor is he the type to go there and rely on WB to do most of the work, remember too that whatever Luffy says he'll do he does (which has been pointed out since Alabasta), and he said he WILL save Ace. So him doing some sort of haki crap or a new gear to combat a Smoker or Magellan level character wouldn't surprise me. Tar and feather me if you want.
Didnt he tell them to get a boat cause he was going to follow them and finish the job.
I think he did.
Just wondering, Will Jozu's ability only allow him to harden his body, or there will be any additional abblity? like maybe… Shooting diamonds projectile?
Using Haki to defeat someone is a stupid theory because we haven't even been told what the hell it is. It seems some people have it and some people don't. Now Luffy may have it but it's probably nowhere near developed enough to do much of anything. Oda's not just going to pull Haki out of his ass as a way for Luffy to defeat someone. There will be buildup when the time comes.
Hypothetically though if Ace does survive this arc how would you react?
Bad writing?
I personally don't think that he is going to die.
Can you explain to me why this is a certainty to you?
heh
I don't mean those particular attacks they threw out, I mean their attacks in general.
Oh alright, still in the dumb zone.
If your flesh is regular old meat-and-potatoes flesh, Mihawk is likely gonna cleave you in two.
Let's see how many fantastical assumptions you pulled from thin air comprise this brilliant conclusion of yours.
Likewise, Kizaru can move at the speed of light, and fire blasts that topple mountainous trees with his finger while grinning like an idiot.
LA LA LA LA, RAYLEIGH DOESNT EXIST LA LA LA
The gov't has alot of "broken in a 1v1 situation" types on their side. I'm just saying Whitebeard, while very very strong, is likely to lose if he ends up against a handful of these guys. His air quakes won't do much against beams of light, after all.
Nor will beams of light do much against someone who no doubt has complete Haki mastery.
But of course, LA LA LA LA VOLUME 52, WHAT VOLUME 52, LA LA LA
That is, unless he has some special ability we haven't seen yet.
LA LA LA HAKI HAKI HAKI, NEVER HEARD OF IT LA LA LA
But at this point, it's doubtful.
BOY SURE IS AWFUL WIERD ODA SKIPPED THAT PART BETWEEN WHERE KIZARU WAS ABOUT TO KILL ZORO AND WHERE LUFFY WOKE UP ON AMAZON LILLY, WONDER WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. ITS ALMOST LIKE…I HAVE NOT READ A MISSING PIECE.
just that it's clear that much of his status should be attributed to his crew.
Clear as day if we completely make things up!
If a guy like him commanded a crew of mooks, he'd be dead in a day, regardless of titles. Despite the fact that his title is apparently completely literal, and law, to many of the folks here.
Alec, what is….narrative box from author and not bias character?
Atleast these last few chapters of Whitebeards power flaunting have once and for all put an end to the whole "-maybe the worlds strongest title means Whitebeard is the one who can lift the the most weight" debacle.
heh
I guess since you said it was 100% that Ace would die that means he will. As of now this is your evidence. A baseless statement.
I guess since you said it was 100% that Ace would die that means he will. As of now this is your evidence. A baseless statement.
How the hell is a Vice Admiral gonna be the main antagonist of this arc. That makes no sense. Do you even know what an antagonist is.
Alright so you don't know what an antagonist is.
Also that would be absurd as fuck. Stupid. And all around random.
Someones coming back from Impel Down who will probably fight (and kick the ass of) Luffy, but it sure as hell isn't him.What Haki? How the hell is he going to develop something he can at best knock out oxes with into a battle deciding factor.
And I'm still laughing at MAGELLAN being your idea, go what awful writing that would be.
"Hey guys I know your caught up in this exciting war but here, the antagonist from the previous arc who we already spent a fuck ton of chapters dealing with is back for more! Wheee! This is so much more exciting then the current events."
It really does not matter who luffy fight in this arc . This arc now has become about the change thats going to happen in the OP world. Luffy won't be the one doing the changing so it does not matter who he fights. In this arc luffy has become a back ground char yes he going to do something but this arc is not about him.
So it does not matter if his save ace , beat someone strong , get his ass kick because this arc is no longer about any of that it's about the changing of a era.
Your idea of battle chaos is apparently complete blindess of a bunch of famous people who are your enemies anyway running by.
No mine is more like, "I see you Strawhat but I'm too busy fighting this NW pirate and if I turn around to chase you I might get a sword in my back" Unless you think the marines and their allies would've beaten all of WB's combined force by the time Luffy arrives, otherwise I think the term "bigger fish to fry" is suitable for this.
And I'm saying Ivankov isn't stupid enough to think they can stealth through a billion top dog marines. I mean seriously, what the hell stealth are you even thinking of.
And I'm saying that Ivankov is too prudent a person to not even attempt a plan even if it's hopeless, do you really think he'll advocate a head on charge? Lmao maybe even yell "This is Sparta!" while he's at it. Hell and you know Buggy will try for stealth, otherwise wtf can he do here?
Jimbei and Ivankov, truly ragtags. The Shichibukai and the revolutionary officer. Hmmmmmmmm yessssss.
Honestly I just got tired of typing Ivankov and Jimbei, and ragtags was faster.
His plan will be "hey lets join the fight because sneaking past is a fantasy".
And insert battlecry and Lord of the Rings themed music.
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Thats cute. And I was under the assumption that you didn't like it when people make baseless predictions with no merit behind it whatsoever.
I might be blind here but whatever happened to the line from the spoiler thread with Mihawk saying "I just want to see how far I really am from that man."
Seems like it was a load of shit
No mine is more like, "I see you Strawhat but I'm too busy fighting this NW pirate and if I turn around to chase you I might get a sword in my back"
lol, thats some Monty Python shit.
Luffy just walks across a battlefield of Marines glaring at him while they hold back swords from pirates.
Unless you think the marines and their allies would've beaten all of WB's combined force by the time Luffy arrives, otherwise I think the term "bigger fish to fry" is suitable for this.
They're so busy defending the execution platform that they'll forget to defend the execution platform. Right on.
And I'm saying that Ivankov is too prudent a person to not even attempt a plan even if it's hopeless, do you really think he'll advocate a head charge?
Do you know who Ivakov even is? From this description you sound as familar with him as you did Luffy the sneaky guy.
Lmao maybe even yell "This is Sparta!" while he's at it. Hell and you know Buggy will try for stealth, otherwise wtf can he do here?
Buggy sure as hell won't play a role in unraveling the entire scenario.
Thats cute. And I was under the assumption that you didn't like it when people make baseless predictions with no merit behind it whatsoever.
heheh heheh, I'm not allowed to say judging by last time.
The site admin had to go on a post deleting spree once it was started.
@Kairouseki:
Using Haki to defeat someone is a stupid theory because we haven't even been told what the hell it is. It seems some people have it and some people don't. Now Luffy may have it but it's probably nowhere near developed enough to do much of anything. Oda's not just going to pull Haki out of his ass as a way for Luffy to defeat someone. There will be buildup when the time comes.
That's it! You're the guy I was thinking of when I mentioned not mentioning Magellan. How could I forget you man.
But yeah, I know there's a lot of crap going on about what haki is and what haki does, but can we put that aside? I'm not quite like those guys. I don't believe in "haki levels," or "haki of fire" or whatever. I don't even believe in ice hockey, I mean, I've have you ever seen anyone play ice hockey? I haven't, not all summer.
Anyway, I just figure Oda's got to so something with this haki thing sometime right? He HAS been building it up since that fight against Duval, in fact we've seen it in Shanks. He's also mentioned it once on Amazon Lily, and again in level 5 of Impel Down. We even have an experienced user of the same type of haki, whatever that ends up meaning, near the same area, and she (Hancock) is an ally of Luffy. C'mon! These pieces fit together too perfectly.
About what Haki does, well, regardless of what it does it seems to enhance attacks. It really doesn't matter what exactly it does at the time, but we can trust, considering how long the author has made us wait for this, that it will both do something impression and make a difference in combat. We've seen numberous examples of it's power with Rayleigh, Shanks, and Hancocks sisters so far, so any of those abilities could be possible for Luffy. Oda isn't the type of author to develop something for a long amount of time and have it do little to nothing. Mastery isn't necessarily needed right away. Do you follow me here?
Edit: It really seems like an ability that's been around for a long time, and it seems like this arc is a good place for it to make an impact.
@Kairouseki:
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TheHerald sure is entertaining.
I know! He or she is a lot better then that…other dude. The one with the haircut, you know. However, I'm bored of those crazy antics right now and want to have a serious and tactful discussion about haki. Can it happen? That's up to you.
If you think Luffy and co. are going to secretly save Ace, you're stupid. Very, very, very, very stupid.
If you don't think once Luffy sees Ace he won't scream out Ace I'd say you're pretty dumb as well. LOL @ Luffy following a plan to save Ace and becoming incognito in executing his goal. How could I forget how he Death Note'd his way in to saving Robin?
Why did Jack Flash get banned? His argument was quite entertaining. He had a point for the most part too.
If you think WB is weak because Joz and Marco intercepted Mihawk;s and Kizaru's attacks you're stupid. You're even more stupid if you think WB would've actually let the attack touch him.
The whole point of the attacks being stopped by other ppl were to show the two who attacked will have a hard time with them before they even dare to go after WB.
To think I wasn't even gonna post anything about the chap since it read far to quick for me and I had my fill from the spoiler thread. You guys will create nonsensical arguments out of anywhere.
@Zik:
Why did Jack Flash get banned? His argument was quite entertaining. He had a point for the most part too.
Probably a banned former member since he was using a proxy. I assumed Moria since his argument had merit for the most part.
heheh heheh, I'm not allowed to say judging by last time.
The site admin had to go on a post deleting spree once it was started.
It was just so amazingly correct that it unleashed a frenzy of praise that never ceased. The admins, needing to stop this immense admoration for this newfound messiah of truth, deleted all the posts and shut down your account.
or something like that right…
lol, thats some Monty Python shit.
Luffy just walks across a battlefield of Marines glaring at him while they hold back swords from pirates.
Not gonna lie I lol'd at this, nice comeback but your idea of the major marine fighters stopping combat with WB's forces to chase Luffy's ass makes me think of some Benny Hill type shit in which Luffy runs, the marines chase him and the NW pirates chase them, then they switch places all to some old running gag music. So you pick your poison on that one.
They're so busy defending the execution platform that they'll forget to defend the execution platform. Right on.
And the marines will see Luffy call a delay of game too many on the field for WB's team, issue a 5 yard penalty and then place the attention of their strongest fighters on Luffy and his guys, and while the marines do this WB won't push the attack forward, him and his bloodthirsty NW pirates will sit and wait for the marines to neutralise Luffy. OK…
Do you know who Ivakov even is? From this description you sound as familar with him as you did Luffy the sneaky guy.
I'm talking about Ivankov the guy who almost said forget Ace then corrected himself and PRUDENTLY said let WB handle his rescue, he's the guy that you're having make landfall screaming BANZAI!!! and proceeding to battlecharge sans a plan, again to Lord of the Rings themed music.
Buggy sure as hell won't play a role in unraveling the entire scenario.
Never said he will but if the marines can spare extra STRONG fighters for Luffy + late arrivals and stealth is utterly impossible how will he survive here?
@Zik:
If you think Luffy and co. are going to secretly save Ace, you're stupid. Very, very, very, very stupid.
If you don't think once Luffy sees Ace he won't scream out Ace I'd say you're pretty dumb as well. LOL @ Luffy following a plan to save Ace and becoming incognito in executing his goal. How could I forget how he Death Note'd his way in to saving Robin?
Why did Jack Flash get banned? His argument was quite entertaining. He had a point for the most part too.
If you think WB is weak because Joz and Marco intercepted Mihawk;s and Kizaru's attacks you're stupid. You're even more stupid if you think WB would've actually let the attack touch him.
The whole point of the attacks being stopped by other ppl were to show the two who attacked will have a hard time with them before they even dare to go after WB.
To think I wasn't even gonna post anything about the chap since it read far to quick for me and I had my fill from the spoiler thread. You guys will create nonsensical arguments out of anywhere.
I'll address the part obviously aimed at me.
What I said was that Ivankov would suggest a plan that they will atleast initially agree to follow till Luffy inevitably blows it, opposed to theHerald saying they'll run in head first sans a plan. Anything's possible but it would be completely opposite of what we've seen of Ivankov who is usually cautious.
And no, any potential point Jack Flash had became totally covered in crap when he started advocating that Oda would have Luffy go to ID fight to save Ace, get poisoned nearly die, be saved but lose a decade of life, get a hormone and adrenaline boost to continue to try to save Ace, make a daring escape from ID to chase after Ace all the way to HQ, (which is basically out the oven and into the fire) just to go there get merced and play no role in Ace's rescue and just fail. Sorry but no…
Yeah WB > Mihawk
but Mihawk > Shanks cuz both are swordsmen? Well Shanks went straight on WB with one arm. Seems that Oda has to show us if Shanks isn't just a swordsman
Shanks has haki, so maybe he's beyond a swordsman.
And if Jozu's power is from a Devil Fruit, I do believe this is another instance of a person taking his DF power beyond its initial limits, because I'm pretty sure if Hawkeye can slash through huge galleon ships, then he could penetrate normal diamonds.
It was just so amazingly correct that it unleashed a frenzy of praise that never ceased. The admins, needing to stop this immense admoration for this newfound messiah of truth, deleted all the posts and shut down your account.
or something like that right…
no its a freaking spoiler…the same spoiler that brought us "duval". But who knows if its really true or not but so far it has been right.
no its a freaking spoiler…the same spoiler that brought us "duval". But who knows if its really true or not but so far it has been right.
I forgot about that, wasn't it from last year? A supposed interview or something else filled with a bunch of predictions?
no its a freaking spoiler…the same spoiler that brought us "duval". But who knows if its really true or not but so far it has been right.
Not trying to be rude or anything but I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here.
I forgot about that, wasn't it from last year? A supposed interview or something else filled with a bunch of predictions?
So it's some interview from over a year that has predictions by ??? about whats gonna happen. Concrete evidence of Ace's death right there.
Not trying to be rude or anything but I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here.
So it's some interview from over a year that has predictions by ??? about whats gonna happen. Concrete evidence of Ace's death right there.
Basically it was something that if I remember correctly was from an alleged official source that leaked/spoiled a bunch of plot points at the time that have for the most part all came true, I just don't remember what was on the list or where I can look it up. Of course such a list can't be posted here because even if it's fake, fake spoilers aren't allowed. Though I wish I could remember what it was called.
@Zik:
If you think Luffy and co. are going to secretly save Ace, you're stupid. Very, very, very, very stupid.
I am in two minds about this. Knowing Luffy, he would jump into a fight the first chance he gets. However, he seems to have learnt when to stand and fight and when to run. Right now, he knows that time is of the utmost importance, and the less opposition he faces, faster he gets to Ace. Besides, he knows that there are Admirals and Shichibukais and Vice Admirals in there. Even after defeating two Schichibukai, Luffy seems to (rightly) have enough respect for the Shichibukai's fighting abilities to want to avoid as much confrontation as possible. And, he knows that the Admirals right now are completely out of his league.
So, if Luffy is prudent enough, he will want to sneak past the fighting going on, and head straight to the execution platform. I is likely that Luffy will face direct opposition near the platform. He may or may not succeed in ultimately rescuing Ace, but this is the course he is most likely to take.
We all know luffy will follow the plan for about a minute and then slingshot himself directly to ace and get his arse handed to him
Luffy breaking Ace out of the platform and then them tag teaming the marines would be cool.
gomu gomu no burning rifle and shit.
Luffy will be able to save Ace if the others buy him some time, if for example Crocodile fights Akainu etc
Are people seriously arguing Whitebeard is only strong because of his crew
Really now
Really Arlong Park forums
This is the same place that went on about how Usopp was going to show his amazing new strength at Enies Lobby. Why the surprise?
lol
I got owned
Luffy will be able to save Ace if the others buy him some time, if for example Crocodile fights Akainu etc
Crocodile is after WB's head. So are Buggy and his merry men (not that they can do anything). The only strong ones on the ship that would actually help him are Jimbei and Ivankov. Once he's there however, Boa becomes an option.
What I said was that Ivankov would suggest a plan that they will atleast initially agree to follow till Luffy inevitably blows it, opposed to theHerald saying they'll run in head first sans a plan. Anything's possible but it would be completely opposite of what we've seen of Ivankov who is usually cautious
This isn't EL. It's a war, just fucking start fighting and play the cavalry role like you're suppose to and like EL a plan was attempted but Luffy was already ghost.
Any plan Iva makes would only pertain his revolutionaries. Luffy and Croc are gonna be gone. Jinbei is probably already on WB's cock.
and Jack flash had a point. I can still see Luffy failing here. Who knows exactly what's going to happen. I just don't see Ace allowing Luffy to save him, in the sense that he'll free him and try to haul his ass somewhere. At most Luffy will stop someone about to kill Ace only to get pwned and then everything will be derailed by BB and crew or whoever else decides to make a surprise appearance.
It should be pointed out now the goal for the marines right now isn't so much kill Ace at all costs if so it would've happened or been attempted. Sengoku knows what he's doing he's trying to win and in the clear possibility of defeat kill as many pirates as possible so when it's time to recover the balance will be permanently fucked up.
Also I sense a lot of underestimation of Sengoku. Pwngoat talk aside, thinking he's scared of WB is dumb. He's expressing fear of losing the war which he desperately does not want. He knows with even everyone there and his strength nothing is a guarantee. he saying all that shit for the sake of those who've never battled with WB on a consistent basis like he and Garp most likely did.
Anyone thinks that Thatch is not dead and Blackbeard made it look like he died, maybe it was part of his plan.
Anyone thinks that Thatch is not dead and Blackbeard made it look like he died, maybe it was part of his plan.
That would be a great plan if BB was in a special ed class.
Wow, did my point get warped. What is it with you people and your minds interpriting things in the most extreme way you can see them?
All I'm saying is that Whitebeard wouldn'tve gotten nearly as far as he has if he didn't have a crew like this with him. If he didn't have all these uberstrong commanders and powerful allies, ain't no way he'd be among the 4 Kings.
Damn, you guys should write political TV ads, I swear…
Anyone thinks that Thatch is not dead and Blackbeard made it look like he died, maybe it was part of his plan.
This dumb post made me think how lame it would be if Thatch was just inside BB's darkness all this time being tortured by it.
I don't think anybody thinks this or thought this but you. We are all now worse for reading it.
Maybe Thatch is hidden inside Stronger
Maybe Thatch is hidden inside Stronger
At Naruto forums they are saying that there isn't a chapter next week for sure… Is this true. I thought we willg et a spoiler next week but a bit later cuz of the issue:sad:
Wow, did my point get warped. What is it with you people and your minds interpriting things in the most extreme way you can see them?
All I'm saying is that Whitebeard wouldn'tve gotten nearly as far as he has if he didn't have a crew like this with him. If he didn't have all these uberstrong commanders and powerful allies, ain't no way he'd be among the 4 Kings.
Damn, you guys should write political TV ads, I swear…
This is stating the obvious, the same goes for Luffy.
Isn't worth mentioning because WB is the world strongest man. This isn't a battle with the world's strongest crew.
@Zik:
This is stating the obvious, the same goes for Luffy.
Isn't worth mentioning because WB is the world strongest man. This isn't a battle with the world's strongest crew.
Apparently it's not so obvious, because much of Arlong Park has this huge boner for Whitebeard based almost solely on hype, and taking his title literally. In their minds, Whitebeard > Anyone else, ever. I've been saying that his power and influence's got a little more perspective, now.
Anyone thinks that Thatch is not dead and Blackbeard made it look like he died, maybe it was part of his plan.
Maybe Thatch killed Blackbeard and dressed up as him :)
Funnies aside, some people are forgetting that Luffy has Jimbei with him. No matter what, Jimbei will stick with him, so it's not like the moment Luffy enters he'll get wiped out.
Regarding Sengoku… Whitebeard, being the "World's Strongest Man", means that he's stronger than Sengoku 1 vs 1. This justifies Sengoku's "omfg he's coming!" expressions. Sengoku is weak? Naw, he was once an admiral.
Regarding Pwngoat (praise his greatness), Whitebeard is the "World's Strongest Man", but Pwngoat is not a man... so... hmm :P
Apparently it's not so obvious, because much of Arlong Park has this huge boner for Whitebeard based almost solely on hype, and taking his title literally. In their minds, Whitebeard > Anyone else, ever. I've been saying that his power and influence's got a little more perspective, now.
Whitebeard > anyone else = fact. This has been stated in box text. Unless Oda's shittin' us, Whitebeard IS the strongest man alive.
Whether he could've taken all the admirals + Mihawk at once? Who knows? Oda knows, but you and I don't.
Does Jozu + Marco coming in defense mean anything regarding Whitebeard's strength? No, of course not. They're not blocking the two because they think they need to "save Whitebeard" or anything near that. They're blocking them because they feel that they are unworthy of challenging "the king". One on one, it's fair to say that Whitebeard can beat anyone at HQ right now (Pwngoat aside)