I've given up for any more side character care from Kishi anyway. They were just added to the series for the typical reason side characters are introduced at that point in a shonen: lovable obstacles for the hero to surpass on his way to the top. Sadly he seemed to care about developing them more beyond that prior to the time skip to avoid in telling people that.
Naruto Discussion V [Re-Re-Redux]
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I always criticised dragon ball because of the way Toriyama always resurrected his characters after the end of an arc, and this isn’t the first time the same thing happens in Naruto, it’s a repeat of the revival Gaara arc. If Kishi doesn’t want the characters to die then he should just make them survive the fights instead of killing them and proceed to later revive them. Yes, in One Piece no one ever dies, but if you ask me, that’s way better than the way Kishi ended this and the first arc of part two.
@Tokoro:
I've given up for any more side character care from Kishi anyway. They were just added to the series for the typical reason side characters are introduced at that point in a shonen: lovable obstacles for the hero to surpass on his way to the top. Sadly he seemed to care about developing them more beyond that prior to the time skip to avoid in telling people that.
There aren’t enough villains for the side characters to fight so they can’t play any role, with only so few villains only the main characters get to do something, and I don’t think that’s going to change.
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I always criticised dragon ball because of the way Toriyama always resurrected his characters after the end of an arc, and this isn’t the first time the same thing happens in Naruto, it’s a repeat of the revival Gaara arc. If Kishi doesn’t want the characters to die then he should just make them survive the fights instead of killing them and proceed to later revive them. Yes, in One Piece no one ever dies, but if you ask me, that’s way better than the way Kishi ended this and the first arc of part two.
At least the dragonballs were a legitimate established from the getgo plotdevice that the whole series circled around in Dragonball. They were kind of, initially, the entire point.
They got abused as a magic undo button LATER when the wish count got upgraded and the body counts grew… but they were mostly playing fair being a key component of the series, and originally they had to go upon epic quests to gather them to ressurect someone, and that was the goal and the entire point of the story in and of itself.
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Naruto is a sin.
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I like the Christianity eyes better, evil subliminal messaging is awesome.
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@Yonkou#3:
Naruto is a sin.
Kishi himself is a sin.
I can't BELIEVE where this series is going!:ninja:
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O man Naruto is just getting better and better.
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Oh God, let's not bring shipping into this discussion. Naruto is terrible enough without the fans trying to play matchmaker.
She/Her
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@Yuugi's:
Oh God, let's not bring shipping into this discussion. Naruto is terrible enough without the fans trying to play matchmaker.
Yeah, we should just focus on the actual couples that make sense that seem to be headed towards canon.
Naruto and Hinata are the best couple, because Hinata liked Naruto from the getgo for his attitude, personality and ambition (haki), long before he became uber destined to be god of combat hokage material. As opposed to the completley shallow interactions the rest of the cast had for most of the series. Naruto's original crush on Sakura was based solely on looks, similarly Sakura's crush on Sasuke was sheerly because "he's so cool." Completley sperficial, as 12 year olds are apt to be.
Hopefully next time Sakura and Sasuke meet, shell have outgrown him. But it would completley suck if Naruto and Sakura ended up dating, that would just be.. so shallow and empty.
And Temari and Shikimaru should just get it over with and shack up already.
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Wait, what?
Sakura and Naruto's relationship has actually had development. Originally, she hated him, in her immaturity, based solely upon (we should assume) the village both loathing him and his personality. Then, she began to see Naruto actually had some guts to him throughout their missions, and he become more or less an annoying little brother, then as Naruto's true courage and commitment to her behind to come to light (y'know, what with spending three years of killing himself to bring back douchebag Sasuke for her sake) she–coupled in response to her own growth during the Chûnin exam--began to recognize--as we can infer from those moments with (was it Granny Chiyo?)--that she appreciates Naruto far more than her stupid crush on Sasuke.
It doesn't really matter what anyone says, I'm utterly convinced that Sakura, having matured, loves Naruto for who he is and that she will be the one Naruto winds up with.
Honestly, I think Shino is a far better pair for Hinata, but that's just me.
She/Her
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@Yuugi's:
It doesn't really matter what anyone says, I'm utterly convinced that Sakura, having matured, loves Vegeta for who he is and that she will be the one Vegeta winds up with.
Fixed. .
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@Yuugi's:
It doesn't really matter what anyone says, I'm utterly convinced that Sakura, having matured, loves Naruto for who he is and that she will be the one Naruto winds up with.
Why does Naruto have to choose? He's going to be Hokage. And Hokage is the biggest pimp in the land that sleeps with the most villagers. (Tsunade brought the "ho" back into "hokage", thats why she got the job so easily.)
Like I just said a couple posts back, and currently in my sig, the path to ninja peace according to Juraiya's dream is a giant ninja orgy that Naruto will by himself take care of using clones, pleasuring everyone in the village all at once. With Sexy no Jutsu gender replacements where apllicable. He'll get Sakura AND Hinata. Even poor useless Ten Ten can get a little Naruto action. And Rock Lee, for that matter.
But no loving for Sasuke. None. No way. Nuh uh. Hes a traitor and abandoned the village, so he doesnt get to participate in any sexy parties.
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Narutorgy? The guy's always trying to copy Luffy…
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@robbybevard:
Why does Naruto have to choose? He's going to be Hokage. And Hokage is the biggest pimp in the land that sleeps with the most villagers. (Tsunade brought the "ho" back into "hokage", thats why she got the job so easily.)
Like I just said a couple posts back, and currently in my sig, the path to ninja peace according to Juraiya's dream is a giant ninja orgy that Naruto will by himself take care of using clones, pleasuring everyone in the village all at once. With Sexy no Jutsu gender replacements where apllicable. He'll get Sakura AND Hinata. Even poor useless Ten Ten can get a little Naruto action. And Rock Lee, for that matter.
But no loving for Sasuke. None. No way. Nuh uh. Hes a traitor and abandoned the village, so he doesnt get to participate in any sexy parties.
OMG, OMG, this was the best post yet XDXDXD
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@robbybevard:
Why does Naruto have to choose? He's going to be Hokage. And Hokage is the biggest pimp in the land that sleeps with the most villagers. (Tsunade brought the "ho" back into "hokage", thats why she got the job so easily.)
Like I just said a couple posts back, and currently in my sig, the path to ninja peace according to Juraiya's dream is a giant ninja orgy that Naruto will by himself take care of using clones, pleasuring everyone in the village all at once. With Sexy no Jutsu gender replacements where apllicable. He'll get Sakura AND Hinata. Even poor useless Ten Ten can get a little Naruto action. And Rock Lee, for that matter.
But no loving for Sasuke. None. No way. Nuh uh. Hes a traitor and abandoned the village, so he doesnt get to participate in any sexy parties.
oh, so that's why it fails so hard
not as pimp as our Saviour, Luffy
praise Luffy Harem
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I'm actually laughing out loud here. It's completely absurd how bad this chapter is.
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The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
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Hey, it's as low you can go!
LIMBO!Nah, they're starting to break out the shovels so they can go lower.
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So.. after all of that… WHY were the 6 pain bodies people Juraiya had killed? One of them obviously was Nagato's best friend who died untimely-like... but the other 5? What was their connection to Juraiya that he knew them all by sight?
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I guess it was just a poor way of saying, "I can confirm that these people were all once dead, because I knew each one." –- Thus, confirming Nagato was a necrophiliac.
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Hey, it's as low you can go!
LIMBO!Dear God, don't challenge him!
For God's sake just DON'T challenge Kishimoto to become worse cause he CAN do it!
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Dear God, don't challenge him!
For God's sake just DON'T challenge Kishimoto to become worse cause he CAN do it!
Believe it!Next chapter. After magically dues ex machining everyone back to life, and healing Hinata before that (really, what was the point if everyone was going toocheat death ANYWAY) Hinata sees Naruto again, recalls what she said to him, blushes, and prepares to say something more… and dies of embarassment.
Literally.
The end.
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Deus ex machina, huh?
AP members seem to be using this word a lot lately; it's as if the word is being forcibly implemented.
Hey you! Let's party!
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I'd say it's an accurate phrase to use when a villain decides to magically revive everyone he's killed after hearing one shitty "BELIEVE IT!!" peptalk.
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Eh, I'd find it a sickening miracle…
But for the most part nothing plot-significant. They'd be back at square one with with a full cast doing... well I'm not really sure what anyone's doing.
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@robbybevard:
So.. after all of that… WHY were the 6 pain bodies people Juraiya had killed? One of them obviously was Nagato's best friend who died untimely-like... but the other 5? What was their connection to Juraiya that he knew them all by sight?
You're trying to find logic in someone who thought losing his parents, a dog he met for 2 days, and a friend was a logical excuse for mass genocide of a village that, out of the entire population, only 5 people knew of his existence.
it can't be done.
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You have just scored a 1,000,000 points on Guitar Hero and unlocked super stardom! Congratulations!
YOU!
ARE!
FAGS!
I expect something along these lines with the final chapter whenever the series is over. Except scoring a 1,000,000 points will be replaced with Read this piece of shit
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I'm still waiting for Kishi to leave this url somewhere in his chapters.
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Deus ex machina, huh?
AP members seem to be using this word a lot lately; it's as if the word is being forcibly implemented.
The only thing more annoying than people using "dues ex machina" wrong, is hearing other people trying to be judgemental about it and SAYING its being wrong or poorly used, when its being used completley appropriatley.
A deus ex machina (pronounced /ˈdeɪəs ɛks ˈmɑːkinə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/,[1] literally "god from the machine") is a plot device in which a person or thing appears "out of the blue" to help a character to overcome a seemingly insolvable difficulty.
The term is appropriate in this case. Its a magic fix that resolves all the insolvable difficulty (deaths) in a way that could not normally have been reached, by using a plot device and ability that wasn't forshadowed or setup at all, and a shallow hasty plot twist. Resurrection jutsu was abolutley "out of the blue." (It was a cheat when Granny did it save Gaara too.)
Counter example. In OP, The Going Merry being alive and saving the Strawhats at Enies Lobby was NOT a Dues ex machina, since it being intelligent and able to fix itself was established as far back as Skypedia, and it had been sent out to sea 60 chapters earlier. Crazy and surprising, but completley fair.
This left fierld cheat ending might also have worked if A) they hadn't wasted time revining some characters while others were already dead. Cheating death and then double cheating death again is just silly, redundant, pointless and ungratifying… and B) if Naruto's answer had you know, been better.
If, after hearing Pains story it had been "You've killed my friends! My family! If you've suffered this kind of pain, why would you bring it upon others?" Causing Pain to realize "Oh god, I've become what I hate, how can I make ammends for this... to make others suffer as I have, no! I will make this right, no matter the cost... you will NOT suffer as I have. I am sorry, there is only one thing I can do" then that might have been a wee bit more acceptable.
INSTEAD, we got "I believe in Juraiya because I believe in Juraiya!" "Oh well then. I guess I should have believed in Juraiya too. My bad!"
When an author creates a deus ex machina, a resolution to a scenario that cheats and creates a happy ending where one should not have been possible, with no prior setup, or that hinges on a character doing a complete 180 in personality with very little convincing reason to do said heel turn, its fair to call them out on it.
Incidentally, most of Sasuke's fights border on this, with his ability to randomly get a new variation of magic eyeball that was never shown before or call upon a chakra reserve even though he as tapped out or summoning a snake to go to another dimension and then be resummoned in case of nuke being a plan he had in advance. They're NOT deus ex machinas, because they are fair because theres precedent to his magic eyeballs upgrading mid fight, but its still super CHEAP.
You're trying to find logic in someone who thought losing his parents, a dog he met for 2 days, and a friend was a logical excuse for mass genocide of a village that, out of the entire population, only 5 people knew of his existence.
it can't be done.
No. JURAIYA recognized all 6 Pain puppets was my original point. . All 6 were people JURAIAYA knew. What the hell was the point in that? And why did he have to send is information on the back of a frog in indecipherable code that was no actual help at all? Couldn't he have just TOLD the frog the message to relay? The damn things can teleport instantly after all… Hey... why didn't Juraiya just summon a giant toad, go inside its mouth, and then poof out to get away? Sasuke did it. ANd Juriaya already had a giant frog stomach from earlier and...
Really, I just wanna know more about Sock Pain, when you get right down to it.
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http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/17/
"Naruto has grown yet again!! Next time, a new development!!"
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Hmm… it wasn't meant to be detrimental, but ok.
And the thing that caught my attention wasn't the dissenting connotation of the word, it was that the word was "forcibly" turned into an adjective when no such word exists. My main point was that the word seems to be used a lot, not incorrectly. (I can look up the definition for myself, thanks.)
But I ended up inciting a page-long rant. Figures.
Hey you! Let's party!
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That chapter confused the shit out of me.
The last time I checked Naruto never gave up, and was a gutsy kid….. :O huh?
I liked Kakashi's part though, why is it that he's had the best development right now and he was dead. lol
His death was so pointless too, trying to figure out Pain's techniques when he has the Sharingan. I mean, he mimicked Zabuza, why not pain?
Well, Kakashi is back though now, so I can be a little happy.
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Hmm… it wasn't meant to be detrimental, but ok.
And the thing that caught my attention wasn't the dissenting connotation of the word, it was that the word was "forcibly" turned into an adjective when no such word exists. My main point was that the word seems to be used a lot, not incorrectly. (I can look up the definition for myself, thanks.)
But I ended up inciting a page-long rant. Figures.
Actually, he used it as a verb.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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Ah, the irony. And death is a campfire, interesting.
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Filler arc is officially over. Time to continue the Sasuke manga.
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@dirt:
Actually, he used it as a verb.
Shhh!! His post was a deus ex machina. He was being ironic! Right?
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Good sense always seems to fail me at the most opportune time for embarrassment. Meh, fuck life.
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Let's just revive everyone and reverse irreversible damage. That's sure to destroy any emotion that could have possibly conveyed!
The reason I continue reading is my own stubbornness, but at least it will all be over soon.
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So, we wait so long for an explanation of the Rinnegan's power and in the end Kishi just uses it as a convenient Deus ex Machina. Oh, and LOL at the flowers. So who wants to wager that…
A. Naruto will give the flowers to Hinata in a genuinely touching and romantic moment, or...
B. Hinata sees Naruto carrying the flowers believing them to be for her, resulting in a wildly awkward and comedic scene and a possible fainting from her.
Ah hahahahaha hohohohohoho hahahahahaha...
Suck it Kishi.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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ahaha i guessed right wooot woooot LOL i also keep reading of my stubbornness ><
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Well, Kakashi is back though now, so I can be a little happy.
Given all the bawww that surrounded his death I would've expected those individuals to be more happy even with the Deus Ex.
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Just read the latest chapter. What the Fuck? (said in the most serious tone I can muster). So basically the last 30some chapters were completely and utterly pointless. Other than the complete destruction of Konoha (easily repairable in a time skip) and Hinata confessing her love, nothing happened.
Kishi has done some stupid shit in the past, but this is inexcusable. He just cocked back and gave his fans the biggest possible slap in the face i've ever seen. 7-8 months of Naruto completely undone.
Nicely played, Ya fuckin' asshole.:getlost:
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Hopefully this was just a late april fools joke by Kishi, and there will be a re-print…
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let the gay love between Naruto and Sasuke begin…
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Hopefully Naruto can change Sasuke's mind all of a sudden with talking lame shit like he did with Nagato…
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Hopefully Naruto can change Sasuke's mind all of a sudden with talking lame shit like he did with Nagato…
But wouldn't that destroy all the character development Sasuke had in the last chapters?
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Something something Deus Ex Machina.
Something something Naruto sucks.
Something something Sasuke.
