For Mihawk to be considered the best swordsman would mean he is at the top of the OP ladder in skills and strength.
I would say Mihawk > Blackbeard.
I see Blackbeard having trouble with guys with extraordinary physical attacks.
Shichibukai strength
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For Mihawk to be considered the best swordsman would mean he is at the top of the OP ladder in skills and strength.
I would say Mihawk > Blackbeard.
I see Blackbeard having trouble with guys with extraordinary physical attacks.nah, if the strongest fighter is as strong as the strongest swordsman he would probably have more physical strength as he doesn't have a sword as a tool to make him the strongest. and yea. if blackbeards fruit really is the strongest the real question is: sword > devils fruit? i have no idea really. but i would like it if sword is > df. But thats just as i think df have been getting to much hype.. but yea swords getting to much hype as well lately (Rayleigh, Shiryuu) so maybe i support fighter (sanji, probably Garp). But i THINK DF or blade is the strongest. but well, only time can tell
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If Haki is what made Rayleigh be able to take on Kizaru like that its safe to say Mihawk > BB. BB's ability would be useless, and Hawkeyes would cut him in half.
From chapter 319. Stephen's translation. Robin talking about the Admirals "Greatest Power" in the WG and then saying Sengoku is the only one above them.
[hide]Robin: He's a sailor.
Marine Headquarters "Admiral" Aokiji.Crew: ADMIRAL??!!
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Sanji: A…
...Admiral...?!!
How high up is that?!!Robin: The number of Marine officers who hold the rank of "Admiral"
is only three...!!!
"Akainu."
"Aokiji."
"Kizaru."(Note: Red-Dog, Blue-Pheasant and Yellow-Monkey, respectively.)
Robin: The only person above them is Sengoku, the head of the Marines.
He's one of the three men... called the "Greatest Powers" of the World Governments!!! [/hide]Yeah, that… thx
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I don't think you become an admiral only depending on your devil fruit and have to learn how to actually fight as well. Shown by things invented and thought by the WG such as Rokushuki (that what CP9 and Coby use).
Going back to Ohara when Aokoji helped Robin he still had his DF i'm saying he could have eaten it at an early age and because he can turn into Ice he does'nt have to take any physical damage.
He might be a bit soft, all i'm saying is he has'nt shown any physical strength or endurance just that he has an amzing DF.
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Level F
Pirates with a total bounty below 50 milions, they are easily defeated in the first half of the Grand Line by marine officials, more powerful pirates and sporadic apparitions of the Shichibukai.
The Ouka Shichibukai who are in the first half of the Grand Line doesn´t have any problem for defeating them. The pirates with this power level doesn´t stand a chance against Hancock, Crocodile (when he was a Shichibukai) or Moria.
This the level that the crew without the exception of the monster 3 have got, I know that Robin has a bounty beyond 50 milions but this bounty isn´t based in pure strenght.
Level E
Pirates with a total bounty between 50 and 100 milions, they are more dangerous than the ones with the level F but they continue being vulnerable to the same menaces against them. The great majority fall in the first half of the Grand Line and the ones who are able to go at the second half are easily defeated by the powerful forces of the Yonkou, Shichibukai, Marine HQ and the army of slavers that work for the Tenryubitto.
This is Sanji current level.
Level D
This place is for the pirates who have a bounty beyond 100 milions thanks to their strenght but lacks the experience of great battles, when Luffy crew came to Water 7 he was at this level of strenght. In this level the fight against someone like Rob Lucci can become a defeat for the pirate, the Shichibukai of the first part of the Grand Line continue being beyond any opportunity of winning and even the strongest Supernova are a problem for the pirates in this level.
This is Zoro current level and Crocodile is inside it too.
Level C
This level is for the top ones among the Supernovas, they can win against one of Level B but they were unable to do it without some external help.
This is the level where Rob Lucci, current Luffy and Hannyabal are now.
Level B
Moria, Hancock, Jimbei, Ace, Sentoumaru and Magellan are in this level. Luffy needs to fight and defeat Magellan for taking a place in this power level like when he defeated Lucci for taking a place in Level C.
Level A
The strongest Shichibukai and some of the strongest Vice-Admirals are in this level, in here we have: Mihawk, Kuma and DoFlamingo for the Shichibukai, Garp and Sengoku are in this level too, Marco and the rest of the first lieutenants of the Yonkou could be in this level.
This was the level of strenght that Shanks had in his legendary battles with Mihawk, the Shichibukai continue being at the same level but we don´t know anything about Shanks. Blackbeard without the Yami Yami no Mi was at this level.
Level A+
The strongest of all them, only reserved for the 4 Yonkou and the 3 Admirals.
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As problematic as it is to rank everybody in levels in One Piece, I think you've done it quite well. Only the difference between Sanji and Luffy seems big, but not bad.
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Urain your ranking system is on point. I agree with it totally. Makes sense that Zoro has a bit to climb before he can even be on-par with Mihawk. But just remember that even the ranking itself doesn't mean the higher level rankings will always defeat the classes below them. Just look at where everone would have been ranked. IE Crocodile vs. Luffy. Croc was way ahead and out of Luffy's league but Luffy found a way. And thorought most of the series.
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I don't care much for that list, but why is Hannybal ranked above Zoro and Croc, and two levels above Sanji? There's no good reason they wouldn't beat Hannybal as bad as Luffy did.
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Level F
Pirates with a total bounty below 50 milions, they are easily defeated in the first half of the Grand Line by marine officials, more powerful pirates and sporadic apparitions of the Shichibukai.
The Ouka Shichibukai who are in the first half of the Grand Line doesn´t have any problem for defeating them. The pirates with this power level doesn´t stand a chance against Hancock, Crocodile (when he was a Shichibukai) or Moria.
This the level that the crew without the exception of the monster 3 have got, I know that Robin has a bounty beyond 50 milions but this bounty isn´t based in pure strenght.
Level E
Pirates with a total bounty between 50 and 100 milions, they are more dangerous than the ones with the level F but they continue being vulnerable to the same menaces against them. The great majority fall in the first half of the Grand Line and the ones who are able to go at the second half are easily defeated by the powerful forces of the Yonkou, Shichibukai, Marine HQ and the army of slavers that work for the Tenryubitto.
This is Sanji current level.
Level D
This place is for the pirates who have a bounty beyond 100 milions thanks to their strenght but lacks the experience of great battles, when Luffy crew came to Water 7 he was at this level of strenght. In this level the fight against someone like Rob Lucci can become a defeat for the pirate, the Shichibukai of the first part of the Grand Line continue being beyond any opportunity of winning and even the strongest Supernova are a problem for the pirates in this level.
This is Zoro current level and Crocodile is inside it too.
Level C
This level is for the top ones among the Supernovas, they can win against one of Level B but they were unable to do it without some external help.
This is the level where Rob Lucci, current Luffy and Hannyabal are now.
Level B
Moria, Hancock, Jimbei, Ace, Sentoumaru and Magellan are in this level. Luffy needs to fight and defeat Magellan for taking a place in this power level like when he defeated Lucci for taking a place in Level C.
Level A
The strongest Shichibukai and some of the strongest Vice-Admirals are in this level, in here we have: Mihawk, Kuma and DoFlamingo for the Shichibukai, Garp and Sengoku are in this level too, Marco and the rest of the first lieutenants of the Yonkou could be in this level.
This was the level of strenght that Shanks had in his legendary battles with Mihawk, the Shichibukai continue being at the same level but we don´t know anything about Shanks. Blackbeard without the Yami Yami no Mi was at this level.
Level A+
The strongest of all them, only reserved for the 4 Yonkou and the 3 Admirals.
Many, many, many inconsistencies with your ranking system. As stated earlier, why is Zoro and Crocodile ranked lower than Hannyabal? Why isn't Magellan at the A level? Why isn't Enel at the A+ level? Again, many things are inconsistent and plain flat out wrong with this ranking system.
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Yeah that's pretty awful there Urian.
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I dont understand why people give Enel so much credit -_- and this thread is about Shichibukai… Even Oda stated he cant become the top guy.... ahh just think about his personality and everything he have shown in sky pia arc no he is definetly not near the top tier. He just have POTENTIAL as the fruit power is great but that's all.
Since thunder power is always given to strong and bad ass characters I assume people are thinking that in the same way.. but Enel is not one of those standard cool Thunder user at all.
Enel's strength should be on par with crocodile and Ace. and due to his personality he will be an ineffective fighter if he meets a person who can harm him.
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I dont understand why people give Enel so much credit -_- and this thread is about Shichibukai… Even Oda stated he cant become the top guy.... ahh just think about his personality and everything he have shown in sky pia arc no he is definetly not near the top tier. He just have POTENTIAL as the fruit power is great but that's all.
Since thunder power is always given to strong and bad ass characters I assume people are thinking that in the same way.. but Enel is not one of those standard cool Thunder user at all.
Enel's strength should be on par with crocodile and Ace. and due to his personality he will be an ineffective fighter if he meets a person who can harm him.
Just leave…...
I cant believe Im hearing the same typical crap from noobs, just typical. Enel wiped out everyone he faced. Only losing to his natural Kryptonite. He has the power to destroy cities/lands. His mantra gives him the ability to predict movement, and can restart his own damn heart. If you cant see how insanely strong he is then re-read the entire Skypia Arc till you understand how wrong you are.
If your still unsure then consider the 500million beri bounty Oda said he would have. In short he is probably equal to the strongest shichibukai, maybe higher.
cough Admiral cough lol
This is why I want Enel to return so badly. So we can finally gauge his strength against the other powerhouses to prove his worth to the critics, and end this pointless debate
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Urian should lose the ability to post tier lists. MODs make it so.
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oh I probably know much more than you about Enel
so the tone of Oda talking about Enels bounty was more about his DF ability and his
bounty well of course it should be high why?Look at kid he has high bounty because he harmed many people now with Enels power bringing destruction will be way more faster and capturing him will be way more harder..
so thats probably why he have a high bounty and what about Mantra well its to overrated. Everyone who had Mantra was eventually defeated. and so what Enel destroying skypia. well doubt he could do that in BLue sea's island. They were clouds from the start. and he probably lost his god ship maxim now.And look what heppened to him after he found out Luffy could hit him he could not react like Ace and Croc at all.
And when did the idea of higher bounty can beat every lower bounty came? if you beleiave that kind of stuff you should probably leave.
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Level F
Pirates with a total bounty below 50 milions, they are easily defeated in the first half of the Grand Line by marine officials, more powerful pirates and sporadic apparitions of the Shichibukai.
The Ouka Shichibukai who are in the first half of the Grand Line doesn't have any problem for defeating them. The pirates with this power level doesn´t stand a chance against Hancock, Crocodile (when he was a Shichibukai) or Moria.
This the level that the crew without the exception of the monster 3 have got, I know that Robin has a bounty beyond 50 milions but this bounty isn´t based in pure strenght.
Level E
Pirates with a total bounty between 50 and 100 milions, they are more dangerous than the ones with the level F but they continue being vulnerable to the same menaces against them. The great majority fall in the first half of the Grand Line and the ones who are able to go at the second half are easily defeated by the powerful forces of the Yonkou, Shichibukai, Marine HQ and the army of slavers that work for the Tenryubitto.
This is Sanji current level.
Level D
This place is for the pirates who have a bounty beyond 100 milions thanks to their strenght but lacks the experience of great battles, when Luffy crew came to Water 7 he was at this level of strenght. In this level the fight against someone like Rob Lucci can become a defeat for the pirate, the Shichibukai of the first part of the Grand Line continue being beyond any opportunity of winning and even the strongest Supernova are a problem for the pirates in this level.
This is Zoro current level and Crocodile is inside it too.
Level C
This level is for the top ones among the Supernovas, they can win against one of Level B but they were unable to do it without some external help.
This is the level where Rob Lucci, current Luffy and Hannyabal are now.
Level B
Moria, Hancock, Jimbei, Ace, Sentoumaru and Magellan are in this level. Luffy needs to fight and defeat Magellan for taking a place in this power level like when he defeated Lucci for taking a place in Level C.
Level A
The strongest Shichibukai and some of the strongest Vice-Admirals are in this level, in here we have: Mihawk, Kuma and DoFlamingo for the Shichibukai, Garp and Sengoku are in this level too, Marco and the rest of the first lieutenants of the Yonkou could be in this level.
This was the level of strenght that Shanks had in his legendary battles with Mihawk, the Shichibukai continue being at the same level but we don´t know anything about Shanks. Blackbeard without the Yami Yami no Mi was at this level.
Level A+
The strongest of all them, only reserved for the 4 Yonkou and the 3 Admirals.
Not bad although you have a few mistakes here and there.
How can magellan only be level B when he has been shown to dispose of Luffy with little ease. He is the leader of a prison holding some of the most Dangerous prisoners in the world he would surely be one of the closet characters to Admiral level along with the Younkou and Rayleigh.
Luffy did defeat Moria in a clean one and one fight after Oz was taken down so I doubt you can say external help was offered to any of them.
And enel was properly admiral level a lighting type logia user who can pinpoint where his enemies are, he was only extremily unlucky to take on Luffy.
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Just leave…...
I cant believe Im hearing the same typical crap from noobs, just typical. Enel wiped out everyone he faced. Only losing to his natural Kryptonite. He has the power to destroy cities/lands. His mantra gives him the ability to predict movement, and can restart his own damn heart. If you cant see how insanely strong he is then re-read the entire Skypia Arc till you understand how wrong you are.
If your still unsure then consider the 500million beri bounty Oda said he would have. In short he is probably equal to the strongest shichibukai, maybe higher.
cough Admiral cough lol
This is why I want Enel to return so badly. So we can finally gauge his strength against the other powerhouses to prove his worth to the critics, and end this pointless debate
The Admirals we've seen so far would beat Enel like little punk. There's a huge difference between the man who freaked out when his ability was counted, and the man (Kizaru) who rightfully acted like it was nothing.
Yes, Enel would be pretty strong, but at this point the current fighters are starting to display more strength, in ability and character, then him. Look at Ace. Most would probably compare him to Enel (though I think he's a better user of his ability, and again a man with more fortitude). Yet apparently Jimbei has fought on par with Ace.
So there you go. Amongst the current shichibukai/world powers we can say that Jimbei is a fighter who probably wouldn't lose to Enel.
The rest, you have to use your imagination, however I'd be willing to say that anyone of these world level fighters, if you can imagine them beating Enel in melee combat then they could probably overcome his devil power. Logic be damned.
(And please no one state something stupid about electricity hurting fish. Fire burns them just as bad.)
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Aside from the inconsistencies and sometimes wrong judgments in rankings in my opinion I have to ask one question. How can you even rank some characters who we have yet to even see their full strength?
We have no clue exactly how strong Magellan really is, no one has pushed him to his max strength yet. We have no clue how strong Sengoku is, or even Rayleigh or Kizaru.
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"sigh" Enel is strong, but as Luffy stated: "There are loads of strong fighters on the blue sea who would own you." or something to that effect, no doubt enel would hold his own vs some strong pirates, but there's no way he's gona be at the top.
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The Admirals we've seen so far would beat Enel like little punk. There's a huge difference between the man who freaked out when his ability was counted, and the man (Kizaru) who rightfully acted like it was nothing.
Yes, Enel would be pretty strong, but at this point the current fighters are starting to display more strength, in ability and character, then him. Look at Ace. Most would probably compare him to Enel (though I think he's a better user of his ability, and again a man with more fortitude). Yet apparently Jimbei has fought on par with Ace.
So there you go. Amongst the current shichibukai/world powers we can say that Jimbei is a fighter who probably wouldn't lose to Enel.
The rest, you have to use your imagination, however I'd be willing to say that anyone of these world level fighters, if you can imagine them beating Enel in melee combat then they could probably overcome his devil power. Logic be damned.(And please no one state something stupid about electricity hurting fish. Fire burns them just as bad.)
To be fair Jinbei is likely always wet and can likely fire a Hydro Cannon strong enough to dent Kuma. Fishman in general are naturally gifted to face fighters like Croc&Ace…..Enel is a different story.
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Well If a fishman can deal with Ace and Croc I can see that they can deal with Enel.
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Given the circumstances, he had a pretty effective way of not reacting though.
Well Enel acted cool when his mantra seemed invincible but than what happened after few hits he tried not to fight with Enel. Do you really think he has a guts like Ace and Crocodile. Enel was way overconfident about his skill.
he is What BB expected most DF users would be after they find out about his ability but ACe stod up and fight. I doubt Enel would do that. Well there is a reason BB added he could even absorb lightning and stuff.
and let me just tell everyone I do not think Enel is WEAK.
I just think he is not at the level of Admiral and yonkou,I belieave he has POTENTIAL to become a top tier just like Ace and Crocodile.
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People don't seem to get that enel lost to luffy as he was at a huuuge disadvantage, one he could restart his heart two he was a logia lighting user who could simply shrug off most attacks and third with his mantra or the electrical field he used he could spot the enemys location he could blast nearly every ship out of the water before they came close.
Enel could have been an extremily influencial pirate if he did'nt stay in skypeia.
@ onemoment - How could Jembei hit him, luffy managed because he was rubber which lighting is useless against, jembei is a big wet fish which conducts electricity. In fact Jembei would be the worst shikibukai to face enel.
Crocodile lost as his weakness is water, ace lost to a hax ability and Enel lost against rubber which his DF is useless against. Crocodiles weakness is easily exposed while enel and Ace where just unlucky to fight against people who made there DF useless.
How do we know that an admiral has'nt got a weakness against the opposite element, it's all against who you face at the end of the day. The only one piece character so far to be able to fight everyone without having to worry about what they can do is Rayleigh.
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Ace already showed he can destory few ships just like Enel and with Maxim gone(I think the chance is high) I doubt his destructive power can be completly out of leauge with Ace and Crocodile. And we have only seen half of the grandline. I doubt Admirals are useless against other logia as they are WG ultimate force and Sentomaru seemed to know how to damage Luffy which means WG and marines know about Haki or other means to damage DF users.
Although I always wonder if Smoker can have sea stone weapon why cant other normal marines have it? it could be really really useful.
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It's only the tip so he is not effective but you are right that would be extremily useful. Sentomaru knew how to damage luffy just like Garp so Haki is'nt too uncommon in the second half of the grandline.
They could have an elemental disadvantage against another Df user, you know in the world so to speak everything has something to balance itself out.
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"sigh" Enel is strong, but as Luffy stated: "There are loads of strong fighters on the blue sea who would own you." or something to that effect, no doubt enel would hold his own vs some strong pirates, but there's no way he's gona be at the top.
He never said that. All he said was that there were a ton of other people Enel would have to get through to take over the blue sea, and that he wasn't the only threat in the world. He didn't say that they were stronger than Enel.
Enel has all of the same abilities (speed, power, invincibility, hand-to-hand skills), frills (he can manipulate gold to create burning weapons and restart his heart if he dies), combined with precognition that extends over an entire island and a ship that amplifies his powers. Base Luffy was able to hit Aokiji, so you can't argue that there's this magical speed tier above where he is right now, Gear 2nd Luffy is already one of the fastest guys in the world.
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He never said that. All he said was that there were a ton of other people Enel would have to get through to take over the blue sea, and that he wasn't the only threat in the world. He didn't say that they were stronger than Enel.
Enel has all of the same abilities (speed, power, invincibility, hand-to-hand skills), frills (he can manipulate gold to create burning weapons and restart his heart if he dies), combined with precognition that extends over an entire island and a ship that amplifies his powers. Base Luffy was able to hit Aokiji, so you can't argue that there's this magical speed tier above where he is right now, Gear 2nd Luffy is already one of the fastest guys in the world.
Oda confirmed Luffy's statement was true and his hand to hand ability without Mantra was not that impressive at all after all Enel became to overconfident while being in skypia, no one ever gave him a tiny bit of trouble, and his reactiong agasint Luffy was what BB crew expected from Ace.
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@Phil:
He never said that. All he said was that there were a ton of other people Enel would have to get through to take over the blue sea, and that he wasn't the only threat in the world. He didn't say that they were stronger than Enel.
Enel has all of the same abilities (speed, power, invincibility, hand-to-hand skills), frills (he can manipulate gold to create burning weapons and restart his heart if he dies), combined with precognition that extends over an entire island and a ship that amplifies his powers. Base Luffy was able to hit Aokiji, so you can't argue that there's this magical speed tier above where he is right now, Gear 2nd Luffy is already one of the fastest guys in the world.
**D: Question!! If God Ener were to descend to the Blue Sea, how much would his bounty be? Also, what would happen if he did that? Would he rule the Blue Sea? P.N. Gorozoro
O: I see. Interesting question. Knowing how tricky he would be to beat, I'd imagine he could reach as much as 500 million. Luffy was lucky to be rubber. But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Ener would NOT rule it.**
Just backing up this poster a little with references from Oda and a SBS no (vol.43 this is from).
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well It might be my own imagination but the way BB talked about he could absorb everthing and he bothered to include thunder and Van talking about DF users relying too muchg about their fruit power. And if you just come here to insult me you should stop posting. Its not like I am saying he is WEAK and there are so many people who wants Enel to be a GOD even though Oda stated he is not at that level yet. And I do agree he has POTENTIAL.
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AND whats the point of that doesnt everyone make their shit up here about who is stronger?
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AND whats the point of that doesnt everyone make up their shit up here about who is stronger?
Did anyone spout bs like Enel was "brittle and helpless" and "couldn't react at all" like you? Just give me the names so I can pray for Enel's wrath to be unleashed upon them. Couldn't care less what people bs about other high-tiers and shakibookies, I'm monotheist.
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Well I may have put it little rough so let me put it this way.
I think Enel can be a top tier and he has potential but what he have shown so far I do not think he will put up a fight like Ace when he fights some one like BB or Silvers.I may have sounded rough since many people were thinking that Enel would win against almost everybody, always claiming Enel can do this but assuming that other Opponents cannot do a thing at all.
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Enel's power levels, well, let's just say he can beat 10 of the 11 supernovas by my estimation.
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At the end of the day, from what has been shown, Enel is at the level of an Admiral. End of discussion. This thread is about the Shichibukai, not Enel; why is this topic being so heavily debated? If you want to discuss Enel, make a new thread, but this thread is specifically for the purposes of those who want to discuss the Shichibukai. End it.
Don't defy me.
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why is this topic being so heavily debated?
Probably because of absolute statements like:
Enel is at the level of an Admiral. End of discussion.
That's just gotta end it, aight
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Enel admiral level? LOL.
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Enels power is at admiral level but his head a few cogs loose.
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The problem is we dont even know the true powers of admiral and I doubt Enel can match silvers like Kizaru.
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Because Enel comes up everytime that he can defeat almost all Shichibukai, and althuogh I do agree that Silvers are above Admiral, looking back at the fight Kizaru was holding off pretty good, and I do not believe ENel can match the Marines Ultimate force, I would be disappointed if they cannot hurt other Logia users.(at least they can get some sea stone weapon)
Anyway this will be my last post about Enel as it seems to become a neverending debate but I think he is on par with Crocodile and Ace, Crocodile with Desert Advantage equals Enel with Maxim power althuogh in Sheer Destructive power Enel is better. But in terms of ablity useage I think Croc is better. (Sandstorm that hit Yuba and the way he used sand storm to start the war) Again Enel Ace and Croc are more of a developing fighers that are going up the ladder and Admirals seems to be maxed level fighter.
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At present he was just holding of Kizaru and just that was making him pant, and claims that if he was younger this wouldnt be all that hard. So from that we can gather that old Rayleigh is slightly below Admiral level, Young ditto was probably above that level.
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Look at it this way if admirals went up against Blackbeard not knowing about his ability how would they end up, we don't know anything about their physical strength yet Blackbeard has been shown to have incredible endurance (his DF double's damage) so he can take a beating.
Admirals are properly all Logia users (don't know about the third guy) who properly have'nt been hit since they ate the devil fruit, how do we know they have an endurance as high as Luffy for instance whop is constantly fighting and taking damage.
Give Blackbeard a chance to hit him and whats to say he would'nt one shot any admiral?
This is just my thought take it with a grain of salt if you wish.
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I greatly dislike how everyone assumes all the logias are the same level just because they're all logias with–seemingly--roughly the same abilities.
Look at Luffy's first encounter with Enel and Rayleigh cutting Kizaru. If Enel had taken the time to deliver three useless attacks and take a hit against Rayleigh, he'd be dead.
That should speak worlds between the difference of level between these two. Add that Ao Kiji is an admiral like Kizaru, and we can assume that both of these logias are stronger then him. With the introduction of haki, we can assume that a few types of fighters can hurt logias. The era of logias being invincible and impossible to hit is ending.And frankly, the pokemon elemental comparison is a little stupid. In fact, it's reminiscent of Naruto's element system too (being that one's a rip of the other). Just a thought.
Enel was a fluke champion (with all due respect, he was a good fighter), and the only reason he was like that was because he was isolated from the world. The Admirals, shichibukai, and yonkou don't have that advantage. They fight people like Enel all the time (example: Ace) and live. Clearly they know something that we don't and it's the reason why Oda said, while admitting Enel's destructive power would get him a 500 million bounty, that Enel would not rule the blue sea.
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500 million is pretty low when you remember the Shichibukai are all suspended and should easily go over 500 million had they been active the past 7+ years. Rookies have bounties in the 200-300+ mil range taking not being genocidal logia for months or years(how long was Enel terrorizing skypiea?). Not to mention Ace was able to produce an attack Enel needs maxim to match in scale and few members would even put Ace on an Admiral's level.
Admirals have all likely been hit before seeing as they're supposed to go up against Yonkou and other legendary fighters. They even seem to have Haki users in their ranks like Sentoumaru and possibly Garp. Ace crippled before WB knees shows their invincibility isn't hax in the New World. Hell I'd say Crocodile's hook was a big hint shown to us a very long time ago. Quite a few signs they wouldn't be owned just because they run into somebody powerful can hit them as its nothing they aren't expected to be capable of dealing with.
Honestly Enel could start having trouble in the New World far before he started encountering Yonkou and High level marines. With defensive Haki how exactly would Sentoumaru be an easy fight for him? Man can hit him, obviously far more physically powerful, and could possibly even protect himself from lightning strikes either by tanking it via Haki(Marigold the only fighter to not draw blood from a Jet attack, all it did was knock her back) and if thats not possible his Axe could act as a lightning rod Gutts/Berserk style. On topic, Moria would fair far better in a SA gauntlet of Sentoumaru, Kuma, and Rayleigh than Enel would.
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I have a theory on Kuma's ability. Maybe he can't send anyone to the sea but it has to be a landmass. The reason is that the sea negates devil fruit powers and therefore Kuma can't lock on to the sea so it has to be a land mass:/
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@Thousand:
I have a theory on Kuma's ability. Maybe he can't send anyone to the sea but it has to be a landmass. The reason is that the sea negates devil fruit powers and therefore Kuma can't lock on to the sea so it has to be a land mass:/
I like it, I like it allot!
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@Thousand:
I have a theory on Kuma's ability. Maybe he can't send anyone to the sea but it has to be a landmass. The reason is that the sea negates devil fruit powers and therefore Kuma can't lock on to the sea so it has to be a land mass:/
Kuma has clearly sent them to places that they would find useful, its not coincidence that Nami ended up in an island specializing on weather. Kuma wouldn't aim at the sea clearly in this case, so there's no telling that he couldn't. Belongs on the stupid theories thread ^^
Ever watched One Piece on acid? it's pretty sweet.
