Luffy doesn't have a Devil Fruit that is especially broken even among Logias, and he can't destroy entire islands with a giant death cloud.
Bounty Increasing After Tenryuubito's Incident?
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Luffy doesn't have a Devil Fruit that is especially broken even among Logias, and he can't destroy entire islands with a giant death cloud.
True to that. But he's defeated two people who can do that! Moria and Eneru. (Maybe not with the death cloud, but you get my point, hopefully. D:)
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What I hope they really do is not raise individual's bounties but make a bounty for the crew as a whole. Instead of putting Luffy's bounty at like 500+m, and so on and so forth, make it like… The StrawHat Crew, 1B. Or like, 2B... Or just give him a damn shibukai ranking or Yonkou...
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If it didn't raise after Luffy hit a WN, it won't raise even after now. ID is just the same as EL was, so Luffy's doing no new feat worthy of an increase. Both ID and EL are on the same level of threat… Plus EL was covered up pretty much, not as much as Alabasta, but enough. ID? This time they'll blame it on the staff. Also, Luffy may be in there causing the trouble, but there are a lot of bountied criminals, the damage will be shared amongst them.
The only one who will have an increase is Buggy, because they overestimated him... I wouldn't be suprised though if he didn't get a bounty unworthy to his level of strength, which isn't on par with Luffy.
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If it didn't raise after Luffy hit a WN, it won't raise even after now. ID is just the same as EL was, so Luffy's doing no new feat worthy of an increase. Both ID and EL are on the same level of threat… Plus EL was covered up pretty much, not as much as Alabasta, but enough. ID? This time they'll blame it on the staff. Also, Luffy may be in there causing the trouble, but there are a lot of bountied criminals, the damage will be shared amongst them.
The only one who will have an increase is Buggy, because they overestimated him... I wouldn't be suprised though if he didn't get a bounty unworthy to his level of strength, which isn't on par with Luffy.
I'd also guess similar to Moria's defeat they will cover up the fact of Luffy escaping ID or if he rescues Ace or causes a huge break out.
IMO though the way things are going whether Luffy rescues Ace or not or escapes once the ID arc is done the war will immediately cast its shadow over it or become one in a same so that in a way w/e Luffy does won't matter as much in the end. For example, he does rescue Ace but WB dies anyway or he does rescue Ace but WB demolishes them in the war anyway and Ace's rescue or lack there of wouldn't have made a difference. I just see the aftermath of the war looming over Luffy when another round table discussion gets going among marine and WG brass. He'll be mentioned but I figure a new threat or situation they need to handle will arise out of all of this.
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So, if I blew up a federal courthouse and then forcibly invaded a maximum security prison- releasing prisoners from their cells as I move through the various cell blocks- I'm not any more dangerous than if I had simply blown up the courthouse?
The bounty isn't going up because his actions are a threat; his bounty is going up because he remains free to commit more such actions. It is reminiscent to how the U.S. Gov't. deals with perceived failings in education: they throw more money at it, and hope that something will be done to fix it.
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sry to revive this thread, but i found this site from korean web
http://cafe.naver.com/rapelay.cafe?iframe_url=/ArticleRead.nhn%3Farticleid=29995probabily some fan-created bounty, but i think Gold roger and WB's bounty would be preety accurate.
i think Ace and dragon's bounty should be higher than THAT
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Of course it's fan created bounty. If it's not in the manga or any other official material like the file books, then it's just speculation.
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ive just read a few pages here and the trend seems to be that everyone is saying Luffy isn't STRONG enough to have a bounty over 500,000,000…...........
i'l remind those people that a bounty represents how much of a threat that person is to the government, not how strong they are........
so if Luffy hits the founders of the government and frees ace/iwa/jimbei etc etc.....then that will be seriously bad.......it will make Luffy a huge threat to the government because he will be seen as the icon that declared war on the government and so far appears to be winning....
-destabilising the government
-pissing off the tenrybuto
-altering the outcome of the warwhat im trying to say is that luffy doesn't have to be strong, just be a big enough threat to the government
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i agree on that. Luffy is a threat. But the government didn't realise that luffy alone couldn't have done it. His crew + the help of others + a lot of luck has helped him to achieve it. He is a threat. It's another discussion when it comes to strength. Because of luffys nature he can't stand injustice. And the WG is oftens oppressing here and there. So basically yeah luffy is a huge threat to the government. And huge threats get huge bounties.
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@John:
ive just read a few pages here and the trend seems to be that everyone is saying Luffy isn't STRONG enough to have a bounty over 500,000,000…...........
i'l remind those people that a bounty represents how much of a threat that person is to the government, not how strong they are........
so if Luffy hits the founders of the government and frees ace/iwa/jimbei etc etc.....then that will be seriously bad.......it will make Luffy a huge threat to the government because he will be seen as the icon that declared war on the government and so far appears to be winning....
-destabilising the government
-pissing off the tenrybuto
-altering the outcome of the warwhat im trying to say is that luffy doesn't have to be strong, just be a big enough threat to the government
Not really, this is the second time I ll quote this:
Lets review:
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Luffy saves Zoro from Marines, hammers Kuro, hammers Don Krieg and Hammers Arlong and he enters the Grand line with30.000.000B
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Their bounty is smaller then his new one, east blue is considered to be the weakest blue…II.
Luffy wams the entire BW organisation and with it one of the royal shichibukai Crocodile. His new bounty is100.000.000B
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His new bounty is bigger then the frozen of Crocodile, he took out one of the "great" 7 his new bounty has a great increase…III.
This time around Luffy wams the CP9 agents but whats more he infiltrates and demolishes Enies Lobby, he declares "war" on WG and marines and escapes Buster Call…Giving WG reason to set his new bounty to:300.000.000B
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This bounty is again a great increas but whats noteable here is that the enemies are not that much of a bigger caliber the Crocodile (argumentable) it seems that the biggest increase came from his resolve against WG and making things which "no one else" have done before…like destroying Enies Lobby, escaping Buster CallIV
So here we are waiting for the 4th increase and let us review what master luffy has done this time:- Immediately after getting a new bounty he escapes Garp one of the Vice admirals on his new ship which displays difrectly infront of marine eyes that it can basically "fly" (worth to note because I would consider someone with an out of this world ship to be even more dangerous)
- He then enters florian triangle and defeats another one of the royal Shichibukai Moria (former bounty 320.000.000B) he was also set to get killed by Kuma (but he is seen living later on (doesnt matter the reason he is leaving after they told Kuma to kill him = escapes another Shichibukai)
- Then he comes to Archipelago where he does one thing again "no else" has the curage to…
He hits the Tenyruubito and wamwams the local marines, he does that together with 2SN (not to be ignored that he also joins up with other pirate crews to make rucus)- Then the punishment comes and Admiral with it, he escapes the Admiral…and with it the punishment for hitting a tenryubito (just so we dont forget he takes down one of kuma bots for goodbye)
- As Kuma comes to save the day, perhaps this will mean the end of the pest Luffy.
No now he is seen infiltrating ID in attemp to save his bro and so far has wamed some blugori and a beast on second floor destryoing the monitor room on floor 1 and 2…also releasing all prisoners on floor 2 (whether they ll escape or not is not important he opened the door...)That much is known so far and it is quite likely we ll see some more havoc in ID and with it the possible revalation that yet another Shichibukai Boa Hancock was helping him out, maybe even Jimbei (whats up with this yung fella, its not enough he is causing havoc, it seems he gets the hearts of influential people as he goes)
He ll get a 400.000.000B wanted poster?
Anything bellow 600.000.000B personally for me is a joke
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about 450,000,000B i guess? for Luffy that is, but we really are forgetting about Ussop here remember what he did on the noble? he sat on him that's big insult enough lol separate bounty papers for Ussop and Sogeking maybe? :D
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@blue-san
take robin for an example, her bounty reflected her threat to the government not her strength or crimes…..another thing is the worlds most wanted man is dragon.........REASON, because he's the biggest threat to the government, dragon may not be strong himself but has overthrown countries, the countries that hold the government and its power together. so his bounty reflects his threat level.......
they state bounty on threat level, not physical strength
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My entire post was based on the threat level not brute strength
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My entire post was based on the threat level not brute strength
yeah i know, i was just trying to add some simpler examples, soz if it came out badly, good post also
btw that post doesn't mention the destruction of the pacifista…......costing the same money as a warship, this also could be an important marker...
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did wrote he destroyed one though
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did wrote he destroyed one though
my bad…..
kuma-bot?
wamwams?
one thing you definately missed that i think is worthy was the fact he was involved with dark knight - silvers raleigh
surely having anything to do with the former pirate kings second in command would worry the likes of the gorosei and sengoku don't you think?
:wassat:x10
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Should yeah, in general I said that its not just his actions but that he gets the hearts of influential people as he goes that presents a huge problem as well…
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Luffy and his crew are definitely going to get a major bountie increase. Assaulting three of the Tenryuubito, vandilsim (Not really that big compared to other stuff they've done, but still) and Luffy is in Impel Down terroizing and freeing prisoners. For the Kidd and Heart pirates, the WG might think even they're allys with the Straw Hats, so they'll probably get a bountie increase too. The other SN's will probably get bounty increase, but who know's, they might been the 500 pirates that Kizaru captured.
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I don't think Luffy will get a huge bounty increase. His bounty doesn't have to go up after every time he does something harmful to the World Government. His current bounty already shows that he is in fact dangerous and capable of …say breaking into Impel Down.
If he does get a bounty increase, it will reflect the bounty of a man who broke out of Impel Down, not a man who broke out of Impel Down + Enies Lobby + Punched a Tenryuubito + Took down 2 Gods of the sea. IMO, bounties don't get added to each other after each incident but rather solely reflect the criminal's threat to the WG after his most recent actions. I say that he won't get a huge bounty increase because I believe that breaking into Impel Down is not so much worse than what he did at Enies Lobby.
After all, he managed to break out a criminal (Nico Robin) at Enies Lobby that had the power of ressurecting the ancient weapon. But even if he succeeds in rescuing Ace, the war is imminent and Whitebeard will still likely die at the hands of the WG.
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im guessing 600 million for luffy
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I say that he won't get a huge bounty increase because I believe that breaking into Impel Down is not so much worse than what he did at Enies Lobby.
While I do agree with most of what you're saying, I still think that Luffy's bounty will go up drastically after this incident because I disagree with you on this point. The entire reason Luffy and Co. were in such a hurry near the end of that arc was because none of them wanted to go anywhere near Impel Down if they could help it, which to me, clearly indicates that breaking into Impel Down is much worse than what he did at Enies Lobby, warranting an increase.
PS: Hello, new guy here .
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While I do agree with most of what you're saying, I still think that Luffy's bounty will go up drastically after this incident because I disagree with you on this point. The entire reason Luffy and Co. were in such a hurry near the end of that arc was because none of them wanted to go anywhere near Impel Down if they could help it, which to me, clearly indicates that breaking into Impel Down is much worse than what he did at Enies Lobby, warranting an increase.
PS: Hello, new guy here .
breaking into Id is tyhe worse + punching a noble
Luffy bounty is going 500+
the crews ould increase slightly due to the noble incident but it really gonna depend on how the ace situation changes -
Luffys' bounty should go up, but something above 500mil beli would be ridiculous, maybe an increase of 100mil beli, however that increase is really small, so I doubt it will go up.
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Another crazy bounty theory! ^^
After Impel Down and Whitebeard's battle….
Luffy - 500 million
Jinbei - 450 million
Sir Crocodile - 435 million
Inazuma - 400 million
Emporio Invankov - 480 million -
I'm thinking after the Tenryuubito incident and Impel Down, Luffy's bounty will rise to 500 million. Anything below that would be too little but anything above would be too high.
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Meh, now luffy just released two Shichibukai prisoners and hes going to attack the Marine HQ and participate in the war.
Can't see how he can do worse than that, 600+ is a must.
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@Flame-Fist:
Meh, now luffy just released two Shichibukai prisoners and hes going to attack the Marine HQ and participate in the war.
Can't see how he can do worse than that, 600+ is a must.
You've got to put this in perspective, Donflamigo has 340, hell, I doubt mihawk even has that much. Going by that reasoning - albeit bounty isn't a direct indication of strenght - Luffy is twice as strong as almost all shicibukai, and 2 to 6x stronger than any other supernova.
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You've got to put this in perspective, Donflamigo has 340, hell, I doubt mihawk even has that much. Going by that reasoning - albeit bounty isn't a direct indication of strenght - Luffy is twice as strong as almost all shicibukai, and 2 to 6x stronger than any other supernova.
I don't recall Donflamingo destroying Enies Lobby, declaring war against WG, attacking the nobles, breaking through impel down, releasing two shichibukai criminals and going to attack Marine HQ.
Luffy did far more than enough for a 600+ bounty. Like you said bounty isn't strength, but threat level and right now Luffy is by far a much huger threat than Donflamingo.
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actions after Enies Lobby:
Taking down a Shichibukai
Punching a World Noble
Destroying a government protected (relatively speaking) slave trade house
Being associated with the Dark King
Causing a ruckus and breaking into Impel Down (freeing prisoners as he goes along)
Being associated with the Revolutionaries
Freeing 2 Shichibukaiit would be crazy if Luffy won't get a bounty increase after everything has settled…
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actions after Enies Lobby:
Taking down a Shichibukai
Punching a World Noble
Destroying a government protected (relatively speaking) slave trade house
Being associated with the Dark King
Causing a ruckus and breaking into Impel Down (freeing prisoners as he goes along)
Being associated with the Revolutionaries
Freeing 2 Shichibukaiit would be crazy if Luffy won't get a bounty increase after everything has settled…
exactly
i can't believe oda would singly make luffy a league on his own just before entering the new world
maybe nico robin escaping the bridge with prisoners could increase her bounty
maybe brookes taking out a clan will increase his bountyBut the only ay i see oda being able to keep the crew near luffy is to bring them into the War as a major nusience
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@Flame-Fist:
I don't recall Donflamingo destroying Enies Lobby, declaring war against WG, attacking the nobles, breaking through impel down, releasing two shichibukai criminals and going to attack Marine HQ.
Makes you in fact wonder what the hell he actually did to get such a high bounty.
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Makes you in fact wonder what the hell he actually did to get such a high bounty.
Well, Kidd has 300 from just killing civilians.
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Well, Kidd has 300 from just killing civilians.
I seriously doubt that this is all he did. What Shackey said is that Kids bounty was higher then Luffy's because he left more civilian casualties but that doesn't mean that he didn't do some other serious shit. After all, the WG doesn't seem to give that about the well being of its people. Surely there's more to it.
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You've got to put this in perspective, Donflamigo has 340, hell, I doubt mihawk even has that much. Going by that reasoning - albeit bounty isn't a direct indication of strenght - Luffy is twice as strong as almost all shicibukai, and 2 to 6x stronger than any other supernova.
Shichibukai bounties are frozen bounties. So putting that into perserspective, using them to guage the high tier bounty level is moot. It's possible that if they were unfrozen, Don Flamingo's could be twice or three times that amount. Now taken into account that we haven't entered the New World yet.
Whatever bounty Luffy gets now will be big but maybe more in line with a mid tier bounty level compared to the New World bounties. It'll be kinda lame if we haven't entered the new world yet and bounties are already mostly capped out with whatever Luffy's bounty is next. Anyays I expect Luffy's next bounty to be in the 500-600 milliom range.
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Once again, by Oda Law, bounty doesn't show strength. Rather, it shows how much of a threat the person is to the government. Dragon obviously has the highest bounty. 600 million or more for luffy would not surprise me one bit. Simply cause:
1. He punched a Tenryuubito (which no one has ever done before)
2. Purposely infiltrated a maximum security gaol to bust out his brother but instead causes severe chaos.
3. Released 2 shichibukais and 2 revolutionaries are backing him up.You can use bounties as a reference but you can't determine their strength with it.
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@Flame-Fist:
I don't recall Donflamingo destroying Enies Lobby, declaring war against WG, attacking the nobles, breaking through impel down, releasing two shichibukai criminals and going to attack Marine HQ.
Luffy did far more than enough for a 600+ bounty. Like you said bounty isn't strength, but threat level and right now Luffy is by far a much huger threat than Donflamingo.
DoFlamingo has probably done more. 340 is probably his debut bounty.
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Even if they ignore everything before Impel Down his bounty should at least double. He broke into the place and is releasing at LEAST 4 high profile criminal (were in level 5 and 6). If that's not enough for a 300+ addition to his bounty then what can he do to get a raise?
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DoFlamingo has probably done more. 340 is probably his debut bounty.
When Luffy got his 30 million the marines said it was the highest debut ever. maybe you where searching after another word?
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Well I don't think we'll get a bounty increase right now - the WG/Marines are probably focused on the war, maybe after the war and a relative stabilisation (which I think won't happen immediately) then we'll get a bounty increase and 600 mil sounds about right and maybe it will make Luffy the highest bounty ever going into the new world.
I also think that once in the new world , we won't get bounty increases anymore.
When Luffy got his 30 million the marines said it was the highest debut ever in east blue. maybe you where searching after another word?
corrected - go recheck your facts
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corrected - go recheck your facts
yes, sorry. remember robins now and was about to correct it.
about the increase:
anything under 500 million would be ridiculous if it is limited by economy.
the World nobels was ready to kill Camie with they payed 500 million for, just because the SH wanted to save her. And if they would accept less then that amount to capture the SH seem seriously weird don't you think?
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Just skimming through this page.
DoFlamingo has probably done more. 340 is probably his debut bounty.
If he had done more damage to the WG, they wouldn't want him to be an ally. (Or to rephrase this*, if Doflamingo 'hated' the WG by causing them so much damage, he wouldn't 'join' them as an ally either)
*Since some of you might say that its better to have an strong ally than a strong enemy.
IMO, his probably more like Kid. And never really did "serious" damage to the WG to be a big threat. But this is just my opinion.
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I think the increase will both include the tenryuubito incident AND the impel down incident after it is finished (which will take a year supposedly).
Maybe we'll see in between, like right after the escape.
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Anyone ever wonder what happened after the archipelago? First of all, where's Rayleigh and the Sunny-go? Where are the 500+ pirates that were captured? I will go apeshit if tall that was in Marineford and if Luffy is heading there, its gonna be awesome. :D
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When everyone regroup then they might be raised.
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luffys should get raised after all hes done and what about ussop every one seems to be forgeting he took out a tenryuubito even if it was by accident im hopeing he gets one seprate from sogeking
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When everyone regroup then they might be raised.
or each of them do something on the island there on and there bounties get raised.I hope so. 16 chars
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To get their bounties raised seperately but alongside their captains, the WG would have to think he had planned this all along. While he attacked Marine HG, they were doing other things, using the moment as a distraction to stab at the law or something.
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i want give an example as well:
Luffy 1 billion [1. 30 million * 10 => 300 million ; 2. 100 million * 10 => 1 billion]
zoro 240 million [60 million * 2 => 120 million * 2 => 240 million]
sanji 111 million
robin 81 million [79 million + 1 million => 80 million + 1 million => 81 million]
franky 88 million
brook 66 million
usopp 100 million [like Luffy's Bpunty]
nami 33 millionwell this is like a load of sh** but since luffy destroys the WG on his own this time, i think his bounty will be a lot bigger than of his crew. not sure about the explanation of bounties but it seems like oda is using some math:D
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@Fairy:
i want give an example as well:
Luffy 1 billion [1. 30 million * 10 => 300 million ; 2. 100 million * 10 => 1 billion]
zoro 240 million [60 million * 2 => 120 million * 2 => 240 million]
sanji 111 million
robin 81 million [79 million + 1 million => 80 million + 1 million => 81 million]
franky 88 million
brook 66 million
usopp 100 million [like Luffy's Bpunty]
nami 33 millionwell this is like a load of sh** but since luffy destroys the WG on his own this time, i think his bounty will be a lot bigger than of his crew. not sure about the explanation of bounties but it seems like oda is using some math:D
1 billion is way to high, thats higher than anybodys we've ever seen which would be ridiculous for luffy considering he can still get his ass owned by people like Kuma and Magellan, he just isnt that much of a threat to the world government to have tht high of a bounty.
around 600 sounds good, atleast double of what his current is.
Also ussop did take out a tennryubito but his bounty wont be the fourth highest in the crew since hes in a weaker trio.
others sound okay though, chopper will probably get a huge raise since they now realize hes not the "candy loving pet"