Being devastated on the ground on an island that is probably swarming withMarines at that point (who would most likely be able to identify you) isn't a "perfect opportunity to escape." The only way I see them escaping is if Kizaru didn't notify anyone or leave someone behind ontop of no other Marines being near the area at the time and their crews took them away.
Chapter 527 "Crimson Hell" Discussion
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The Supernova's really shouldn't be there.
If Luffy's crew can beat a Pacifista, why shouldn't the combined force of Law, Kidd, Killer, Bepo, that Giant and other people on the crew be able to (especially with Kidd having an ability perfectly suited to beat a robot-like being)?
So that rules out Law, Kidd and Killer.
Last time we saw Capone and Bonney they were beating the shit out of marines. There's no obvious reason why they shouldn't have escaped.
As for Apoo, Drake, Urouge and Hawkins… didn't Kizaru just run off? I don't recall him ever capturing them. Apoo is awake for sure, since he was talking, so he SHOULD have escaped. And it looks like Urouge, Hawkins and Drake were atleast conscious.
They all had a perfect opportunity to escape. I don't know why they would be captured.
I'm pretty sure at least Apoo, Drake, Urouge and Hawkins have been captured. They had the shit beat out of them and were in no condition to escape.
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Being devastated on the ground on an island that is probably swarming withMarines at that point (who would most likely be able to identify you) isn't a "perfect opportunity to escape." The only way I see them escaping is if Kizaru didn't notify anyone or leave someone behind ontop of no other Marines being near the area at the time and their crews took them away.
Kizaru, Sentoumaru and the Pacifistas were really the only ones who could stop them, and they were dealing with Luffy. A bunch of random fodder marines that Luffy defeated like 10,000 of isn't posing much of a threat.
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It's been mentioned that Kizaru captured 500 pirates on the Shabondy (sent to ID), Luffy and his whole crew were only saved thanks to Rayleigh and Kuma, do you really think that any other SN could have escaped by their own means ?
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Kizaru, Sentoumaru and the Pacifistas were really the only ones who could stop them, and they were dealing with Luffy. A bunch of random fodder marines that Luffy defeated like 10,000 of isn't posing much of a threat.
Some of the Supernovas will be there. I'm sure Kizaru had the defeated Supernovas arrested, but Capone, Kidd, Law and Bonney are most likely all gone.
I'd much rather see more of the defeated Supernovas anyways, they were the better, more interesting ones.
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Some of the Supernovas will be there. I'm sure Kizaru had the defeated Supernovas arrested, but Capone, Kidd, Law and Bonney are most likely all gone.
I'd much rather see more of the defeated Supernovas anyways, they were the better, more interesting ones.
Gotta agree with you there.
Having Luffy, Buggy, Baroque Works Members and some Supernovas running around fucking everything up would be fucking awesome. I also really wanna see some more of their abilities (actually SEEING a picture of Drake in T-Rex Form, seeing what other stuff Apoo can do, more Urouge, etc.).
As long as all the Supernovas go to the New World I'm good.
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I think Drake will be one of the more important Supernovas. Ex-Marine means he knows a lot of stuff. Urogue can divulge more about Skypiea, Apoo may be able to tie into where Brooke is hanging out, etc.
I'm not sure if every Supernova will make it out though. It would look make Impel Down seem kind of weak if every prisoner breaking out made it out.
But Luffy's Impel Down crew is sounding pretty amazing. This whole ordeal reminds me of Dead Leaves.
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Kizaru, Sentoumaru and the Pacifistas were really the only ones who could stop them, and they were dealing with Luffy. A bunch of random fodder marines that Luffy defeated like 10,000 of isn't posing much of a threat.
I doubt that Kizaru, Sentomaru, and the Pacifistas (which I don't think all were accounted for) are the only ones who can just smack some seastone handcuffs on pirates that seemed unable to get up.
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I know all this crazy stuff is happening with impel Down atm but i still can't think how the SH crew will get reunited.
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The only problem i can see with all the past villains that may or may not show up is 'Seastone handcuffs'.
Buggy and Luffy are unable to touch them and therefore can't make use of anyone elses devil fruits (Unless they find a key of course, but thats too obvious for Oda).If they find a way to free Mr. 3, he can make keys to free other prisoners.
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It's likely that the defeated supernovae may be there. In addition to being devastated, when Kizaru left the scene he left the Pacifista that was with him behind, meaning the likelyhood of those captains escaping/being rescued was next to nothing
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If they find a way to free Mr. 3, he can make keys to free other prisoners.
I've actually been wondering about this. can Mr. 3 actually make keys for seastone cuffs? when i really think about it, i don't think he should be able to.
unless you were talking about just keys for cells, but i would imagine everyone held in L5 (and below) are shackled with seastone cuffs.There's one other thing I found interesting in the little marioworld stage presentation of Impel Down. The top level is pretty small, and the bottom level is quite huge, but just going by statistics, the number of prisoners who should be on lower levels should decrease as you go deeper. quite interesting :) so, what causes the increase in size usage.
Is it for torture? Is it for monsters? Is it to keep the prisoners further away from either other because if they can interact, they could help each other escape? after all, so far on L1, we've seen tons of prisoners all in one cell.
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I've actually been wondering about this. can Mr. 3 actually make keys for seastone cuffs? when i really think about it, i don't think he should be able to.
unless you were talking about just keys for cells, but i would imagine everyone held in L5 (and below) are shackled with seastone cuffs.There's one other thing I found interesting in the little marioworld stage presentation of Impel Down. The top level is pretty small, and the bottom level is quite huge, but just going by statistics, the number of prisoners who should be on lower levels should decrease as you go deeper. quite interesting :) so, what causes the increase in size usage.
Is it for torture? Is it for monsters? Is it to keep the prisoners further away from either other because if they can interact, they could help each other escape? after all, so far on L1, we've seen tons of prisoners all in one cell.
I think the answer is quite simple, if the base was smaller than the top, the tower would simply be highly unstable and/or fall down. Remember there's no island to support it, it's just directly built on the sea floor.
As for Mr.3 I was thinking the same, since the wax he made comes from a DF ability, shouldn't it like melt if used on seastone?
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I think the answer is quite simple, if the base was smaller than the top, the tower would simply be highly unstable and/or fall down. Remember there's no island to support it, it's just directly built on the sea floor.
As for Mr.3 I was thinking the same, since the wax he made comes from a DF ability, shouldn't it like melt if used on seastone?
No. Seastone prevents a devil-fruit user from using his powers. If his wax is fully-formed already, then there's no problem. This has been confirmed since he opened the sea-stone cage at Arabasta with no problems.
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i do wonder if luffy will meet boa and free her of her sea cuffs. somebody that can be real helpful is capone. he could maybe hide a bunch of people in himself and carry them out that way. another one that would be helpful is bonney since she can make people into kids and then the cuffs they are wearing would simply fall off because they would be to big.
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I like your thinking but runs alongside the only two confirmed free novas being in ID. So, no go.
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Guys, we know that Mr.3 can create keys because he used this ability once. He released Luffy and co from a seastone cage in Arabasta.
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I like your thinking but runs alongside the only two confirmed free novas being in ID. So, no go.
Why confirmed ? Only because the last time we've seen them, they were just fighting some random Marines ?
And just a guess, but I doubt that the number of people which compose Drake, Hawkins, Urouge and Apoo's crews makes a total of 500 individuals. So I think that at least one of them are on Impel Down as well. -
There's one other thing I found interesting in the little marioworld stage presentation of Impel Down. The top level is pretty small, and the bottom level is quite huge, but just going by statistics, the number of prisoners who should be on lower levels should decrease as you go deeper. quite interesting :) so, what causes the increase in size usage.
Is it for torture? Is it for monsters? Is it to keep the prisoners further away from either other because if they can interact, they could help each other escape? after all, so far on L1, we've seen tons of prisoners all in one cell.
Pretty sure it's just architectural reasons. But I wouldn't be surprised if they had larger torture chambers down there. Or maybe also the prisoners all get their own personalized cells down there. Like no crowding of 5-10 guys all in 1 cell as we see in level 1. Each guy gets their own little holding area like Ace.
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@Lee:
Why confirmed ? Only because the last time we've seen them, they were just fighting some random Marines ?
And just a guess, but I doubt that the number of people which compose Drake, Hawkins, Urouge and Apoo's crews makes a total of 500 individuals. So I think that at least one of them are on Impel Down as well.Did you forget all the fodder pirates on Saobody? There were probably a thousand.
Bonney and Capone were shown to be okay the last time we saw them so I'll stick to them being safe.
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About the strawhats reuniting, I think they'll be waiting for luffy with the thousand sunny outside Impel Down / Marineford and they'll set sail immediately when luffy gets on (kinda like the enies lobby escape)
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I just noticed the dumb danger level thread
for those still wondering, the fourth level has already been stated as the "scorching floor" by Hyannibal.
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So, I hope people remember Hancock is still on her way to see Ace, so the question is will she join in on the madness Luffy is unleashing on Impel Down, another question I'm thinking about, is how the hell is the rest of the crew gonna make it to the war, you know Oda isn't gonna leave them out, especially after Greg said he stated that this would go on for the next year or whatever!
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I feel that there will have to be some way in which the rest of the crew are involved in this arc, either through flash backs or involving them in the ID plot, either way I can't see Oda not involving them in the story for a year.
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So, I hope people remember Hancock is still on her way to see Ace, so the question is will she join in on the madness Luffy is unleashing on Impel Down, another question I'm thinking about, is how the hell is the rest of the crew gonna make it to the war, you know Oda isn't gonna leave them out, especially after Greg said he stated that this would go on for the next year or whatever!
I've noticed that Oda has made sure that nobody else other than Buggy and Hancock know that Luffy is at ID. Both the prisoners and the guads know that someone else is with buggy but they don't know who he is. Besides, even if luffy is identified, they're not going to suspect hancock as she hates men and also underwent a full body check. Probably, the idotic WG will ask Hancock to get rid of him for them and Hancock's gonna fake doing it.
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By the way, the prison is full of seastone stuff (handcuff, bars, maybe walls like the underwater path in Enies Lobby), Luffy will most probably have to deal with it at some point in Impel Down (be it in front of Ace cell or somewhere else).
And: it seems to be easy for the WG to keep very powerful criminals in Impel Down, but we can suppose that not all of them are DF users (as they didn't know that Buggy was one), so not everybody is kept down there by seastone handcuffs or bars. It means that there are also some ultra powerful guards that are supposed to be able to deal daily with characters like Jimbei (yet we don't know if he is a DF user) ? If that's so, I don't understand why they would need the 7 Shichibukais to fight WB if they have "marines" potentially stronger to keep those in prison ? Remember that no one was ever able to escape Impel Down !? How can Luffy stand a chance in a place like this is out of my mind, I don't think Oda can just make him so strong in such a small delay that he could handle ID by himself. I'm sure something else will happen that will allow him to escape, for ex. WB breaching in…
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Probably, the idotic WG will ask Hancock to get rid of him for them and Hancock's gonna fake doing it.
So thats how Luffy's gonna escape. And no i'm not being sarcastic.
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My pet theory is that Haki users can use Haki to break seastone cuffs. Haki is totally different from DF power so it should not be affected by seastone. I'm thinking that Boa will just break them when she needs to since she is a Haki master. I can totally see her breaking Ace out herself and meeting Luffy in the middle somewhere like Level 3 or 4.
Then again I might totally be underestimating the force at ID, given that they're able to hold Jinbei and perhaps people even stronger than he is.
The whole rumor about a level 6 or deeper unoffical levels will turnout to be true. Oda seems to always use "rumor" to inform us about facts. I can't wait to see who they're holding in level 6. Probably former members of Tiger Fisher's crew or Roger's crew or perhaps even old friends of WB long believed to be dead. I hope luffy sends all of Impel Down into total chaos!!! He destroyed Enies Lobby… now it's Impel Down's turn.. hahaha..
I think the whole point of Mr. 3 showing up was so that he can help Luffy/Buggy free whoever they want on the way down to Ace. I look forward to Luffy reunited with his old enemies and having them fight along his side against the WG. If luffy just has Ace/Hancock/Crocodile on his side with perhaps even Jinbei.. they're sending ID to Hell!!!
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How come there still isnt a good quality raw? :(
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Oda said that we are going to have one year of Impel Down and I believe that we are going to see the adventures of the Strawhats at the same time like the one that Luffy had in Amazon Lily only that shorter.
Nami, Usopp, Chopper and Brook are in small island where they can escape without fightning, they will learn something new for improving their habilities but we don´t see how, for example I can see Chopper learning a new ingredient for his Rumble Balls for making them more effective and less problematic than before.
Zoro could learn how to cut ethereal things. Remember that Kizaru said that Logia users aren´t heavy and Zoro needs to learn how to cut ethereal things, this will be very helpful against Logia users and and Pacifistas since Zoro could cut the internal energy of them with the new attack.
Sanji will become more stronger with his feets after running all the time.
Robin is the one who has the worst situation, with her handcuffs she is unable to do anything unless something special happens, but I doubt that in the bridge a powerful enemy can be found, they are all in Impel Down.
Returning to Luffy and the levels that he has to cross:
Level 2: Full of giant beast, the giant lion beast is here with giant spiders and things like this. They are very strong and the Lion Like creature is the guardian here.
Level 3: A Laberynth where the guardians are the minotaurs and people can be lost easily. Minotaurs are very strong here.
Level 4: Administrative level, this is where all the papers of Impel Down are done, prisioners are "death" here thanks to the power of Hannibal of transforming anything into gold. Prisioners are tempted here with an huge treasure and they become part of the treasure when they touch it.
At the end of this level an huge door can be found, level 4 and 5 are in the same height really. Crossing it will put Luffy and the others to the level 5.
Level 5: The real hell, this place is a giant swamp that makes the devil fruit users weaker than before and its population are centaurs who thanks to the waters can take any pirate with a bounty of 100 milions or more.
Luffy will know here that the rumored Level 6 is nothing more than a giant corridor that connects the top of Marijoea (where Ace is going to be executed) with Impel Down. Here we will learn that Impel Down was where Fishmen slaves where trapped and stored for their hard work until Fisher Tiger made his heroic act.
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Were did Oda said that we would get one year of Impel down? Please show me the Source… I mean, sure Luffy will probably stay in Impeldown for a while, and I can imagine that the whole arc will take about a year or so... with the War and all, but... one year just in Impeldown...nah...or?
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Oda stated that at JUMP Fest 09.
Go ahead and jump to the jump festa 09 thread in the Manga section of One Piece, and look around for a while.. unless you believe me.
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Okay, found it… well, as Greg said, it's not clear if this will include the war and all. Plus as I understood it's not 100% chance that it's going to be like that. Anyway, I can imagine the whole arc taking about a year.
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I can't.. I mean, unless they do show the other Strawhats and what they're up to, and maybe few Whitebeard/war scenes, I don't see how the arc could last so long, focusing on the main location with just one of the major characters.
I remember someone said something about this arc, that it's as if OP is starting all over again, it's sort of going the same way when the actual story started.
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Well, if Oda said it will last one year, he also wrote that Ace will be executed in 33 hours !?
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Ye, but that was in the manga so that is for sure. The other he said in an intervju, and he didnt really say that it's definitive. More like he would want it to be like that… or something, I think that it was pretty vague, so we shoudnt take it for granted, plus I think that he meant the whole arc, with the war and all... not that we'll see Luffy in Impeldown for a whole year.
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yeah I guess youre right
but if you expect that Impel down + War will take a year then its a pretty short timeline…Even Enes lobby arc lasted more than a year...Such an important incident needs to take more than "just" a year -
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yeah I guess youre right
but if you expect that Impel down + War will take a year then its a pretty short timeline…Even Enes lobby arc lasted more than a year...Such an important incident needs to take more than "just" a yeara year without the rest of the crew
man i don't think i could handle that
i guess oda making a mini break out crewfirst buggy then mr 3 who's next hmmm
hope the war is included i think luffy will be caught as he can't break ace out probably in a seastone cage
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1 year isn't really long for an arc imo.That makes ca. 48 chapters(when you count 4 chapters per month).I think nearly every proper arc actually DID last this amount of chapters,right?
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No. Seastone prevents a devil-fruit user from using his powers. If his wax is fully-formed already, then there's no problem. This has been confirmed since he opened the sea-stone cage at Arabasta with no problems.
Ah, completely overlooked that. It's funny, I remembered him unlocking the cage back in Arabasta, but completely overlooked the fact that it was a seastone cage. Well then, I'm guessing Mr. 3 will come in very helpful now.
Regarding the architecture of Impel Down, yes, I know structurally it makes sense to have the bottom be bigger, but this is a fictional story with sky islands and space pirates and Adam Trees, so let's just embellish a little in our minds eh!
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If this arc is going to take so long to finish, then I hope Oda treats Luffy's escapees as a "crew" and show one-on-one fights featuring them. I always wanted to see non-main character fights in One Piece, like Pell or Chaka fighting for real, instead of one-or-two-pages-mostly-off-screen fights. The fights don't need to be long. Half to two-thirds of a chapter would be a decent size.
Imagine seeing Crocodile, Jimbei or Hancock fighting someone who is not a hero. _
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I think people are taking the one year thing TOO literally. Don't forget, this is Oda we're talking about here. So when he says one year, he could very well take three years.
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Level 4: Administrative level, this is where all the papers of Impel Down are done, prisioners are "death" here thanks to the power of Hannibal of transforming anything into gold. Prisioners are tempted here with an huge treasure and they become part of the treasure when they touch it.
@Kaimei:
I just noticed the dumb danger level thread
for those still wondering, the fourth level has already been stated as the "scorching floor" by Hyannibal.
you're fucking dense
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There's no way Oda is thinking about spending a whole year just in Impel Down. I mean, man, it took 2 chapters to enter the thing and pass through Level 1.
Of course the other levels will take more time, but 11 months? No way.So I strongly believe Oda is refering to the whole arc, including the war and thing. Someone said that a year would be too short for Oda to be wanting to wrap up the whole war thing, but let's remember this war is not about the Strawhats.
Luffy and his crew couldn't care less about this war, even if it turn out to be a major event in OP world.
So, yeah, I guess Oda expecting to do things in a year would be a good amount of time.But let's remember Oda completely sux when it comes to plan how much time it will take to do anything.
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@.access:
There's no way Oda is thinking about spending a whole year just in Impel Down. I mean, man, it took 2 chapters to enter the thing and pass through Level 1.
Of course the other levels will take more time, but 11 months? No way.So I strongly believe Oda is refering to the whole arc, including the war and thing. Someone said that a year would be too short for Oda to be wanting to wrap up the whole war thing, but let's remember this war is not about the Strawhats.
Luffy and his crew couldn't care less about this war, even if it turn out to be a major event in OP world.
So, yeah, I guess Oda expecting to do things in a year would be a good amount of time.But let's remember Oda completely sux when it comes to plan how much time it will take to do anything.
Personally I don't care how long Oda takes. I'm just going with the flow and enjoying every chapter he dishes out at us.
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Personally I don't care how long Oda takes. I'm just going with the flow and enjoying every chapter he dishes out at us.
I completely agree. :)
The more One Piece, the better, in my opinion.
Sure, certain parts may flow slower than others, but "in Oda I trust." I don't even want to think about OP ending. :)
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I fully expect that going down each level is not going to be as quick as this last chapter was. Level 1 - level 2 in one chapter? That pace is going to slow down significantly the further down Luffy goes.
As for the whole year thing: that's not only going to focus on Luffy. I'm certain it'll contain chapters about the Whitebeard crew and the World Government (be it their preparations, their possible realization that Luffy is in Impel Down, their strategy in placing their toughest fighters, etc.).
And I still have a tiny bit of hope that the rest of the Straw Hat crew may possibly make an appearance near the end of this arc. It's extremely unlikely, but it is still possible. I'm not going to cram this theory down anyone else's throat, though.
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The rest of Impel will probably slow down a bit as the floors get more crazy and challenging.. and I think it includes the whole year WITH the war.
Though he may factor in the SHC's solo tales or maybe hit some flashbacks.. maybe when they they hit Level 6 (this might even go up to level 9 if Oda is really following the Divine Comedy) either way I thinking we're getting some big hints at the past soon.. I'd really like to see this Whitebeard stuff go down soon though.
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(this might even go up to level 9 if Oda is really following the Divine Comedy)
Oh heavens, I dearly hope that doesn't happen. Why would a character mention only a rumor about level 6 if there were actually 9 levels? 9 levels would be waaaaay too much.
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any chance Robin is actually in one of the levels in ID?