Legit or not, whatever you do please don't post them in this thread.
Chapter 527 "Crimson Hell" Discussion
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When the spoiler thread opens you can post them there D=. Which I guess will open soon.
Nif, could you maybe pm them to me if ya like n_n? If not it's ok D=
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actually i do have some onepiece spoilers, but i do not know whether are they legit or not..
don't post them unless you want to get banned.
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Legit or not, whatever you do please don't post them in this thread.
When the spoiler thread opens you can post them there D=. Which I guess will open soon.
Nif, could you maybe pm them to me if ya like n_n? If not it's ok D=
don't post them unless you want to get banned.
Eh i was waiting for the spoiler thread to open first.
but there isnt any right now, :ninja:
Guess i will post it tmr then, i gtg sleep now. -
Well if there are any, we see them show up :'3
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ahhhh. i want chapter 528!
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i've already heard some things through the grapevine but i will wait till the chapter 528 thread opens in the spoiler forum
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haha, I heard it through the grapevine, NICE, great way to tell us :D
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i had a thought…...
what if garp is talking to ace when luffy busts in?
it would be an interesting reunion don't you think, at least it would clarify where garp stands with them (coz im not too sure where his loyalty really lies)
any thoughts?
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@Knuckles:
i had a thought…...
what if garp is talking to ace when luffy busts in?
it would be an interesting reunion don't you think, at least it would clarify where garp stands with them (coz im not too sure where his loyalty really lies)
any thoughts?
Its possible but I think Hancock will interrupt that convo and when she mentions Luffy some sirens will go off alerting ppl that more prioners have escaped their cells(Luffy getting inmates to help him level by level). The guards will go on a high alert and rush Hancock out there and ask Garp to help or leave as well.
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@Zik:
Its possible but I think Hancock will interrupt that convo and when she mentions Luffy some sirens will go off alerting ppl that more prioners have escaped their cells(Luffy getting inmates to help him level by level). The guards will go on a high alert and rush Hancock out there and ask Garp to leave or help as well.
don't you think they'd ask them both to stay as they would probably be the strongest people there?
why do you think she will interrupt….......it ruins/removes the chance of some crazy reunion
I'm not disagreeing, I just think it might limit the story options onwards if they don't all meet...........anyway when you say inmates are you referring to people locked up that we know............or just a bunch of randomers that want to escape
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@Zik:
Its possible but I think Hancock will interrupt that convo and when she mentions Luffy some sirens will go off alerting ppl that more prioners have escaped their cells(Luffy getting inmates to help him level by level). The guards will go on a high alert and rush Hancock out there and ask Garp to help or leave as well.
I think it is highly unlikely to put Garp, Luffy and Ace in the same building and not having them meet up. I think they will meet in ID but I have no idea where or how
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This is all assuming Garp is still there, which is extremely doubtful.
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don't you think they'd ask them both to stay as they would probably be the strongest people there?
I don't think they'd risk anything with Hancock they already have(should have) the seastone handcuffs on her. If Momonga's around he'd demand she'd be brought back up so they could leave.
As for Garp, lets not forget where they are. This is ID's problem he's respected but doesn't have any real authority he'd have to go along with w/e Vice-chief and Chief decide. I don't think they'd ask him to stop the escaped inmates when they're ppl should be adequate enough.
If you have some cops in a prison and its announced that some inmates have escaped their cells it'll go in to lock down and the prison guards will handle it. You don't ask the cops for help. Furthermore the ppl in charge at ID have no reason to believe that the inmates out are some powerhouse that warrants Hancock and Garp taking them down. They also have the assurance of all those torturous beasts to rely on.
If I know prisoners have escaped and they are not trying to go up but down in to more dangerous levels, there's not to be much to be alarmed about unless it's revealed that it's Luffy and he's trying to save Ace. Right now that's gonna be impossible unless Luffy says it aloud since they don't know the two are brothers. They'd still be focused on how he got in. IMO I don't even think they'll know it's Luffy leading this until they've already got Ace.
why do you think she will interrupt
When I say interrupt I mean stop their convo, not that Garp will leave completely. She'll try to hint to Ace that Luffy's coming to him. Ace will react a certain way and that'll be the end of it. He may even scream to Garp to go stop Luffy.
it ruins/removes the chance of some crazy reunion
I don't really care about that if you mean reunion of Garp, Ace and Luffy. It can still happen later with what I'm saying.
Besides these are just my opinions/suggestions of how things will go down…...
I think it is highly unlikely to put Garp, Luffy and Ace in the same building and not having them meet up. I think they will meet in ID but I have no idea where or how
When I say leave I don't mean ID but w/e level they(Garp n Hancock) are on atm. Like I said above thy can still have this "reunion" ppl want to see as Luffy tries to make his way back up and out with Ace.
This is all assuming Garp is still there, which is extremely doubtful.
How so? You think Garp and Ace's meeting were days before Hancock and Luffy arrived? that's possible but I think it may be relatively closer time wise. I mean we didn't see how Garp got there or left. I mean ppl were still thinking he would go after Rayleigh(whether or not it happened off screen or not who knows). I think if he was on his way out we'd/we'll see him going up as Hancock is going down.
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This is all assuming Garp is still there, which is extremely doubtful.
in all fairness garp probably has left….........but wishful thinking tells me a reunion would be sooooooo cool and hilarious
so although garps probably left a while ago... i wouldnt count it out yet
(remember, expect the unexpected)
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I could see the warden telling Garp to back down because he doesn't want outside help and wants to show his base can handle anything, but Garp doing what he wants and taking things into his own hands anyways.
Not going to ask Hancock to leave. Shit starts happening as soon as she shows up, why assume its WB fault before her? She should be the prime suspect by the time SN are running amok on level 5.
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@Zik:
How so? You think Garp and Ace's meeting were days before Hancock and Luffy arrived? that's possible but I think it may be relatively closer time wise. I mean we didn't see how Garp got there or left. I mean ppl were still thinking he would go after Rayleigh(whether or not it happened off screen or not who knows). I think if he was on his way out we'd/we'll see him going up as Hancock is going down.
Well, we have no reason to believe the story isn't going in a linear timeline (outside notated flashbacks or "rewinds"). From what we saw he was there four days before Luffy arrived there. In fact, we can be fairly certain since Sengoku was asking after Garp at the same time he learned of Hancock agreeing to come, which was at the same time Garp was visiting. So unless Garp is really pushing his luck with Sengoku's patience and has been sitting on his arse for four days straight, I'd say he is gone. It would be cool to see him on his way out while Hancock was coming down though.
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Not going to ask Hancock to leave. Shit starts happening as soon as she shows up, why assume its WB fault before her? She should be the prime suspect by the time SN are running amok on level 5.
Not at all. Buggy escaped the same time she basically arrived and was gonna be strip searched/going to meet Ace. Right now they don't know who's with Buggy, that's an unknown when it comes to if they know it's him by the time they're going crazy on lvls 4 n 5.
If anything they'll be blaming Buggy for releasing any prisoners and him escaping would go back to their own incompetence of not knowing he was a DF user to begin with. So if Luffy manages to get through this without being noticed by everyone in ID they will all think this falls on them…
If Luffy is found out, then Hancock is screwed.
Actually from a prisoners perspective weak or not. The smartest way to really escape ID would be to free as many strong inmates as you can. Giving you a better chance of avoiding capture by guards or death by w/e new torture thingy they got on each lvl.
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Well, we have no reason to believe the story isn't going in a linear timeline (outside notated flashbacks or "rewinds"). From what we saw he was there four days before Luffy arrived there. In fact, we can be fairly certain since Sengoku was asking after Garp at the same time he learned of Hancock agreeing to come, which was at the same time Garp was visiting. So unless Garp is really pushing his luck with Sengoku's patience and has been sitting on his arse for four days straight, I'd say he is gone. It would be cool to see him on his way out while Hancock was coming down though.
While I highly doubt that Garp is on Impel Down now, he may still be there with the assignment to lead the armada that would meet Whitebeard in battle if he decided to strike Impel Down first. Otherwise I do not see him in any other location than Marineford.
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Imo he figures they would deduce she helped him and was the reason he is in ID in the first place…
And I agree with him, they should if thats the case...
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Yes Yes Yes, Spoilers Tonight, Hope There Good!
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How d'you figure?
Well going with the glaring incompetence of the marines I can't believe they are all that stupid and clueless. I think Momonga is smart enough to connect a couple of hints and clues to realize she has betrayed the marines.
Its separating unlikely coincidence from ITS A TRAP! Hancock who was quite defiant in participating in the war suddenly changes her mind. What's Momonga's reasoning for this? She came to her senses and didn't want to be stripped of her shichi title, break the treaty and put her island in danger, fine. His crew mentions how much she eats and her unladylike tendencies (masculine sounds from where she stayed). Momonga what do you think? Okay maybe she's just a greedy bitch with no manners, I mean she is very snobbish and selfish. Now we get to ID, why? For some reason Hancock wants to speak to Ace. Well I guess Momonga won't further question this and is just happy he didn't fail Sengoku and will be at the meeting shortly, well…. alright his job was probably in danger I'll let it slide. Then inmates begin to escape, they get to Ace. It is then revealed a pirate who was not recently captured by Kizaru is leading the charge.
Maybe this is hindsight or me as a reader knowing these facts but I think a fairly smart marine would be able to put together that during the time Momonga waited for Hancock's answer Luffy managed to get to AL and then coerce or bargain with her to help him rescue Ace. It may not be realized right away but think of it like this he'd be in deep shit if he didn't get Hancock, how much more shit would he be submerged in if he basically brought the pirate who rescued their war-bait before WB pirates suffered any losses?
If not him a smarter marine would figure this out after w/e occurs there. That's atleast the way I see it. If not their all stupid or Oda is gonna find a way to further cover these little nuggets of info up so that Hancock comes out looking innocent in what happens.
I would say she could help that by attempting to petrify Ace and/or Luffy along with other inmates but seeing as it doesn't work on Luffy and probably Ace anyone witnessing it would question if she really used her powers.....
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If Luffy is found out and then captured, Hancock would be upset but the world government pardons her.
If Luffy is found out and then releases Ace, Hancock would be happy but the government will probably revoke her Shichibukai status and imprison her.
In the end, she'll be happier with Luffy okay. She still might die of lovesickness either way.
As for Garp meeting Luffy, as sweet as that is, that's big trouble for Luffy, because Garp has to arrest or kill him. Either that or Dragon comes in and saves Luffy. I would say that Luffy will meet Ace after Garp has left.
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IMO he figures they would deduce she helped him and was the reason he is in ID in the first place.
@Zik:
I think Momonga is smart enough to connect a couple of hints and clues to realize she has betrayed the marines.
I was afraid that was what you were going to say. I disagree. I mean, yeah, it is possible they would accuse her, but I don't think so. While I don't think they would even suspect her, even if they did they have absolutely no evidence to accuse her of. Given that, I don't think she would be screwed. I will just post what I have said on this before; some of it might be slightly out of context, but you should be able to adapt it:
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For the life of me I cannot find the quote that had the important stuff, but essentially it was stuff like: Why would they even begin to assume Luffy came with Hancock when they know he was last spotted at Saboady Island a few days prior? Even if they were all aware of Kuma's abilities they wouldn't have proof that Luffy was sent there, and I doubt they know all about Kuma's abilities. On top of that, why would they assume he knows – let alone is working with -- a woman known to be spoiled and from an island full of man-hating she-demons?? And on top of that!! why would Momonga believe it when he escorted her the entire time? Not to mention she hasn't left their sight since entering the place.
While I am sure he will be spotted soon enough, the Marines will have absolutely no evidence to believe Hancock was at fault due to where she came from and how she has been monitored. Not to mention Momonga escorted her 99.9% of the time.
Hancock needs to go to Impel Down for Luffy. What other reason could she ask? Asking to see Ace is a simple enough request coming from Hancock (given the situation) without sounding too suspicious. Remember her words to Momonga when he met her? "And I want all of your cargo and treasure." I doubt the WG missed the part where Hancock was a spoiled brat, so a beautiful spoiled woman demanding to see a pretty boy in a cage isn't that strange. Not to mention he is the reason she is being forced into this. She's just "screwing" with them by flaunting her power over them; or trying to get even with them – as far as they are concerned I mean. So what more could they have done? What could Hancock have asked differently? She's going in with no weapons and no power as far as they can tell, with an escort, in chains. I think the WG's actions are fitting. I think Hancock is also fitting her persona; the request and all.
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And for all we know, Hancock will be long done from Impel Down by the time Luffy is eventually identified, as Momonga made it clear that he wanted to get in, and get out ASAP. Far less damning in that case, if she's nowhere near the site, not to mention, again, absolutely no solid evidence to use against her.
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And for all we know, Hancock will be long done from Impel Down by the time Luffy is eventually identified, as Momonga made it clear that he wanted to get in, and get out ASAP. Far less damning in that case, if she's nowhere near the site, not to mention, again, absolutely no solid evidence to use against her.
Thats assuming she will simply "leave" without knowing Luffy is safe. It seems she cares greatly what happens to him on his course to Ace. She wanted to help him more, but couldn't or risk alerting the entire site of his presence. I just simply don't see her leaving the site without knowing Luffy is safe, not after all the foreshadowing and development she has had with Luffy since she met him. She is more likely to put her self in trouble with the Marines than just ignore Luffys predicament, or else why is she still heading to Ace? She could have just said "I change my mind, lets head out now." but she didn't. She has already risked absolute submission and being put into handcuffs for Luffys sake, something which she specifically said she would never let happen before she fell in love with Luffy. If Luffy is identified as being pursued in the jail, expect Hancock to do something to help him even at the risk of hurting her chances of escaping the place alive.
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Actually, I think something like that would not only be an incredibly dumb move on her part, but would also go a long way to sabotaging all of Luffy's efforts. While Hancock hasn't shown the best judgement lately, I think she'd be a little smarter than that.
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She could have just said "I change my mind, lets head out now." but she didn't.
How suspicious would that be?
Why would they even begin to assume Luffy came with Hancock when they know he was last spotted at Saboady Island a few days prior?
It's as simple as figuring out who has recently been to ID. Garp and Momonga with Hancok(if anyone else it hasn't been harped on). Where as Garp could be blamed and Luffy had been laying low for numerous days if Garp's been there for awhile. You think he's already left anyway. So everything would be focused on the ppl who just came.
the Marines will have absolutely no evidence to believe Hancock was at fault due to where she came from and how she has been monitored. Not to mention Momonga escorted her 99.9% of the time.
Enough suspicion on her is all that is needed to think she had something to do with it. Momonga being with her that much would make him the best witness to report on her suspicious movements that he could now realized he overlooked. Despite this "99.9" percentage you came up with. There are key moments he weren't with her that leaves it open for Luffy to make his move even back on the ship.
Hancock needs to go to Impel Down for Luffy. What other reason could she ask? Asking to see Ace is a simple enough request coming from Hancock (given the situation) without sounding too suspicious.
Sounds suspicious as hell to me given the situation. Why does she want to meet Ace? It's quite evident on the marines side Ace is just a pawn to bait WB in to the war, specifically in an unfavorable position so that he can die/be captured. There's still no explanation or foreshadowing or indication on what a Hancock/Ace meeting would provide when it comes to marines perspective. Like I said Momonga's not questioning it and in a sense overlooking this request is because he's just happy and eager to follow orders and not get in any trouble since this is his responsibility.
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Actually, I think something like that would not only be an incredibly dumb move on her part, but would also go a long way to sabotaging all of Luffy's efforts. While Hancock hasn't shown the best judgement lately, I think she'd be a little smarter than that.
Your talking about the woman that freely said she wouldn't care if her home nation was attacked and obliterated just so she wouldn't have to go and "help" the World Government, yet she was freely willing to help Luffy because of her "sickness" to point of being put into Handcuffs and risking getting exposed just for Luffy. She also thinks Luffy loves her now in her last parting. Her entire behavior around people is chaotic because of how she feels for Luffy and her reactions to situations are likely to become erractic at best. It wouldn't be dumb, it would be predictable, nothing more. Yes she would probably hurt Luffy more by doing something like that, but she has not shown to me that she would restrain herself if Luffy was in trouble.
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Where to start…
1. Hancocks requires large amounts of food...(marines think its odd)
2. Hancock punishes marines for looking in her room...
3. Hancocks request to see Ace at all
4. The surveilance "mailfunction" in time of her body check
5. ID personel discovering there is another "escapee" prisoner which will later on become clear was luffy only moments after the mainlfunction...
6. The image was cut off only in the inspection room at the moment Hancock is suposed to be checked...
7. Domino commenting on how she feels like she lost her memories
8. WG and marines probably knowing the abilities of Hancocks DF
9. Hancock goes to visit Ace, luffy is going to try to save Ace...
10. Luffy is "spoted" on level one just as if he just arrived and guess who else just arrived...
11. Getting to ID seems problematic, so if someone came to ID he had to do it somehow and again which ship just came to ID port?...This is not about well it could be something else...the above are the dots forming a picture, do I think they ll connect them, yes...is it certain? No, but on the basis of what we know and the dots I would have to say yes unless marines are not exactly smart...
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Where to start…
1. Hancocks requires large amounts of food...(marines think its odd)
2. Hancock punishes marines for looking in her room...
3. Hancocks request to see Ace at all
4. The surveilance "mailfunction" in time of her body check
5. ID personel discovering there is another "escapee" prisoner which will later on become clear was luffy only moments after the mainlfunction...
6. The image was cut off only in the inspection room at the moment Hancock is suposed to be checked...
7. Domino commenting on how she feels like she lost her memories
8. WG and marines probably knowing the abilities of Hancocks DF
9. Hancock goes to visit Ace, luffy is going to try to save Ace...
10. Luffy is "spoted" on level one just as if he just arrived and guess who else just arrived...
11. Getting to ID seems problematic, so if someone came to ID he had to do it somehow and again which ship just came to ID port?...1&2 can be simply assumed as Hancock's personality. Remember the marines don't have much experience with interaction around her, so it wouldn't be as suspicious as to the amazons who know her normal behavior.
3 as some have mentioned before could be considered "seeing the bait" for the whale they're reeling in.
5-7, 9-11 can be attributed to coincidences, technical difficulties, and lack of attention. Accidents are prone to happen, even in high-tech facilities like these.
8 - Not all marines are aware of her powers as shown by the previously stoned crew. Though the higher-ups may be more knowledgable.
–----------Point being there indeed may be dots, but they aren't as connectable as some may believe.
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Hancock will be suspected, but she'll defend herself by stating that she doesn't know him, has never seen him before, and that she hates men anyway. The WG won't have evidence to convict her, but that won't stop them from imprisoning her just for suspicion.
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No; spoilers normally come out between 24 - 48 hours from now.
Heck yes!
Now to wait impatiently for a few more hours… <33
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and that she hates men anyway
Que???:blink:
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@Zik:
Que???:blink:
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Oh like you can't tell!:getlost:
Anyway that's her defense. She's obviously heterosexual, since she's in love with Luffy.
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@Zik:
Que???:blink:
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Not "hates men" in lesbian terms. Before Luffy, she hated men. She thought them all pigs. Luffy changed her mind. He is her only exception.
If I weren't such a LuffyxNami boater, I'd love those two together.
She's so adorable. :wub:
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10. Luffy is "spoted" on level one just as if he just arrived and guess who else just arrived…
If you're talking about when he crashed through the guard room into the crimson hell area, his face was obscured by Buggy's body.
But I agree that she will be suspected, based on most of your other points.
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@Zik:
It's as simple as figuring out who has recently been to ID. Enough suspicion on her is all that is needed to think she had something to do with it. Momonga being with her that much would make him the best witness to report on her suspicious movements that he could now realized he overlooked. There are key moments he weren't with her that leaves it open for Luffy to make his move even back on the ship.
Impel Down isn't impenetrable, it is just extremely fortified and well guarded. Who is to say someone with a Devil's Fruit couldn't sneak in? Absolom and Mr. 2 come to mind. Who's to say someone couldn't sneak in? Sure it might be near impossible, but there would still be a possibility they would have to acknowledge. Who's to say Luffy didn't sneak in dressed as a Marine? Ninja'd in on board another ship or something? All I am saying is that given all the possibilities, why would they choose to blame Hancock, who came 100% of the way alone with Momonga. Despite what you suggested, there was only one instance Momonga could have been suspicious of, and that was the burping…which she came out and burped herself and proved it could have been her. Aside from that, what--- Luffy just appeared out of nowhere? I mean, what "suspicious activity" was there at all?? Outside her request, I mean, which I already touched on.
@Zik:
Why does she want to meet Ace? There's still no explanation or foreshadowing or indication on what a Hancock/Ace meeting would provide when it comes to Marines perspective.
I answered your question in my last post. Even were he to suspect her, what would he have? She boarded the boat alone while he was watching and traveled to Impel Down with him. He escorts her from the boat to the checking cell where she was searched. During none of this time is there any hint that someone else is there. And like I said:
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Remember her words to Momonga when he met her? "And I want all of your cargo and treasure." I doubt the WG missed the part where Hancock was a spoiled brat, so a beautiful spoiled woman demanding to see a pretty boy in a cage isn't that strange. Not to mention he is the reason she is being forced into this. She's just "screwing" with them by flaunting her power over them; or trying to get even with them – as far as they are concerned I mean.
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Even were he to suspect her, what would he have? She boarded the boat alone while he was watching and traveled to Impel Down with him. He escorts her from the boat to the checking cell where she was searched. During none of this time is there any hint that someone else is there.
There are key moments he wasn't with her that leaves it open for Luffy to make his move even back on the ship.
Those key moments are when he would suspect Luffy was hiding/being hid by her. Add in some marine info that Luffy's a rubber man and what Hancock was wearing the suspicion just grows. Like I said this wouldn't happen immediately but probably over some time whether while still in ID or after Luffy n Ace escape. Whenever she'd be screwed.
Impel Down isn't impenetrable, it is just extremely fortified and well guarded. Who is to say someone with a Devil's Fruit couldn't sneak in? Absolom and Mr. 2 come to mind. Who's to say someone couldn't sneak in? Sure it might be near impossible, but there would still be a possibility they would have to acknowledge. Who's to say Luffy didn't sneak in dressed as a Marine? Ninja'd in on board another ship or something? All I am saying is that given all the possibilities, why would they choose to blame Hancock, who came 100% of the way alone with Momonga. Despite what you suggested, there was only one instance Momonga could have been suspicious of, and that was the burping…which she came out and burped herself and proved it could have been her. Aside from that, what--- Luffy just appeared out of nowhere? I mean, what "suspicious activity" was there at all?? Outside her request, I mean of, which I already touched on.
Whereas some of those are good plausible possible options to end up at. blue-san said it in his post, there's only one way to get to ID;marine ship. Who just came to ID with a marine ship? A person able to swim or sail that current without a marine ship would either have to be Chuck Norris(dealing with the former or some type of all powerful haki using/Df using bastard or a non-marine ship able to sail the current and at the same time not be detected when they got to ID. If you want to speculate that fine, that's you. There's not enough possibilities for one person being able to get to ID and sneak in. It's probably overlooked but getting their is just as big an obstacle as sneaking in. Luffy is lucky in that aspect.
I doubt the WG missed the part where Hancock was a spoiled brat, so a beautiful spoiled woman demanding to see a pretty boy in a cage isn't that strange.
Doesn't this conflict with the preconcieved notioon that she "hates" men? In who's mind would the thought of "pretty boy" in ID seem appealing? Dude's being tortured. That is strange and is very suspicious imo. Also you're forgetting that the WG/marines don't even know Hancock is at ID. The person at fault there is Momonga, questionable decesion making at best.
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1. Hancocks requires large amounts of food…(marines think its odd)
2. Hancock punishes marines for looking in her room...
3. Hancock's request to see Ace at all
4. The surveillance "malfunction" in time of her body check
5. ID personnel discovering there is another "escapee" prisoner which will later on become clear was luffy only moments after the malfunction...
6. The image was cut off only in the inspection room at the moment Hancock is supposed to be checked...
7. Domino commenting on how she feels like she lost her memories
8. WG and marines probably knowing the abilities of Hancocks DF
9. Hancock goes to visit Ace, luffy is going to try to save Ace...
10. Luffy is "spotted" on level one just as if he just arrived and guess who else just arrived...
11. Getting to ID seems problematic, so if someone came to ID he had to do it somehow and again which ship just came to ID port?^^I know someone already commented on these, but I want to as well. None of them hold weight. None.
1-3: (Chapter 516)
Hancock: "However, I wish you not to strip my title from me! And I want all of your cargo and treasure." Momonga**:** What blithering nonsense is this?!! Do not act like a spoiled little girl!! You can't expect anyone to take those requests seriously!!
^^It is a well known fact that she is a spoiled woman who expects to get every ridiculous request she has granted to her. Her request to see Ace in particular is an excellent example of how she is twisting their arms just for her pleasure and personal satisfaction. She had proven she could eat all the food too, and burped in front of them to boot. Who wants to be spied on? Especially a snobby "beautiful" woman like her with a secret to hide (her back)?? None of these point towards Luffy and were already her established character.4-7: All of these fall in the same boat together, but 4 and 6 are the exact same thing. (Chapter 526) Domino: "{Strange. Did I lose track of time for a moment…?}" She only thinks she lost track of time. Nothing there warrants any suspicion since she couldn't possibly know Hancock's powers. The technical difficulties couldn't really be blamed on her either, and even if they were how can they possibly explain Luffy sneaking out without being seen? He successfully Ninja'd that part, so they cannot blame her even if they wanted to. Luffy still hasn't been seen, so it won't be remotely close to the "technical difficulties", and he will have been spotted 2+ levels lower.
8: No, they don't. When she was introduced they were discussing "rumors". Even if Momonga told them about her stoning powers, how could they connect that to someone losing track of time and video feed being cut temporarily??
9: They don't know why Luffy is there, and even if they did how would that connect him to Hancock? It isn't like he hitched a ride down with her. Again, in order for this to count you have to explain how Momonga and everyone else managed to overlook Luffy the past 4 days and explain how Luffy got to an all-woman island in the middle of the calm belt and managed to make friends with them just in time to hitch a ride to Impel Down and WHY he did.
10-11: Luffy still has not been spotted. Once he has been, the farthest they can trace him is to Level 1. Hancock was last seen on Level 0 – ground level -- being escorted. How could she be connected to him!? Were it not for Buggy who knows what would have happened. Even still, why would this point to Hancock? On top of that, as far as they know Luffy infiltrated the place days ago dressed as a Marine and has been laying low for a chance to move around.
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Damnit! I need to go to bed to wake up at 6 for class.
When I wake up, go to class, and come back at 12, I'm rushing to this freaking computer!
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@Zik:
Those key moments are when he would suspect Luffy was hiding/being hid by her. Add in some marine info that Luffy's a rubber man and what Hancock was wearing the suspicion just grows.
What key moments?? When she entered the boat or when she exited? As far as I can remember, Luffy cannot swim, so those are his only opportunities to have sneaked himself on board and still be connected to her. Do you really think Momonga is going to accuse Hancock – a man-hating spoiled princess who has never been seen with or associated with Luffy; and Luffy, who would have had no way to get to her island to begin with -- of having Luffy hidden inside her skirts? And if so, when did he get out of her skirts and into the prison!? Oh…inside the searching room? Then when and how did Luffy get out of that enclosed room and down to Level 1~2??
@Zik:
There's only one way to get to ID; marine ship. Who just came to ID with a marine ship?
Like I said, all he had to do was sneak in aboard another ship dressed as a Marine. Simplest way I can think of. I am sure he could have used a Marine ship to get there by hiding in the boat somewhere and then scaled the outside of the place looking for a way in. They would never suspect something like that to happen, so I am certain the place isn't impregnable once you reach it. Remember, they guard people leaving, not entering.
@Zik:
Doesn't this conflict with the preconceived notion that she "hates" men? Dude's being tortured. Also you're forgetting that the WG/marines don't even know Hancock is at ID. The person at fault there is Momonga, questionable decision making at best.
Yes they do. Momonga requested permission from the "higher ups". Maybe not Sengoku, but someone above Momonga approved it. And you are right about her wanting to see a "pretty boy", but that was just a toss out from me. The point still stands that she is just twisting their arms for her own pleasure. That fits her. And her wanting to see their prize fits her. Her wanting to do what she should not fits her. Her giving demands fits her. Her pushing their buttons fits her. I don't see anything suspicious about her actions. She's just a spoiled brat who likes to flaunt her power and position.
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I think your missing what he is saying. IF and when they find out Luffy is the one with Buggy, they will realize they have had a compromise of their security from outside. In such cases, they will likely suspect the anomaly that showed at the time of the compromise. Hancock. It doesn't matter if they have no evidence. She is a pirate, thats all they need to know. That doesn't mean they will detain her or outright say they suspect her, but they might start asking her questions, and/or may shorten or make it impossible for her to see Ace with such a security compromise. If she is to be discovered it won't be for this. But it will be a neccesary build up to 'eventually' her being caught.
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I think your missing what he is saying. IF and when they find out Luffy is the one with Buggy, they will realize they have had a compromise of their security from outside. In such cases, they will likely suspect the anomaly that showed at the time of the compromise. Hancock. It doesn't matter if they have no evidence. She is a pirate, thats all they need to know. That doesn't mean they will detain her or outright say they suspect her, but they might start asking her questions, and/or may shorten or make it impossible for her to see Ace with such a security compromise. If she is to be discovered it won't be for this. But it will be a necessary build up to 'eventually' her being caught.
I don't think so. I understand that logic, though noone else put it together quite like that, but it still shouldn't matter. If someone breaks in to their prison, they might consider (afterward) what strange occurrences might have happened prior to his discovery, but Hancock not only has an alibi (Momonga, etc) she also has no motive. You could say her motive is being a pirate, but again you would have to somehow explain how Luffy arrived at Amazon Lily a few days after being seen at Saboady, and then explain how he managed to befriend a man-hating tribe of women in the middle of Calm Belt, and then explain how he managed to get to Impel Down without Momonga noticing only to get inside the prison without them noticing as well. It would take an extremely meticulous investigation to put this all together, and it would still be wild and baseless. We, the readers, have the advantage of seeing it happen. They don't. Plus, they will likely not have an investigation anyway. They will just say, "How did he get in!?" – "He must have snuck in with another ship somehow" -- END. Again, not saying it won't happen, but it is more likely that it will not. I'm pretty sure Oda did things this way was so that Hancock could retain her title and her country's safety. Her getting caught would go against that and leave the readers under the assumption that eventually Margaret and all of them will get taken over and attacked/killed in the future. Which wouldn't be nice. It wouldn't be a "resolution". But who knows, maybe Oda will once more flip things upside down for me and I will be completely wrong. I am not saying my way or the highway, I just think the most logical reasoning points to her being safe and sound with or without Luffy being spotted.
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What key moments?? When she entered the boat or when she exited? As far as I can remember, Luffy cannot swim, so those are his only opportunities to have sneaked himself on board and still be connected to her. Do you really think Momonga is going to accuse Hancock – a man-hating spoiled princess who has never been seen with or associated with Luffy; and Luffy, who would have had no way to get to her island to begin with -- of having Luffy hidden inside her skirts? And if so, when did he get out of her skirts and into the prison!? Oh…inside the searching room? Then when and how did Luffy get out of that enclosed room and down to Level 1~2??
He would accuse her after these events. After putting all of these suspicious moments together and using hindsight to come to this possible conclusion. I mentioned the key moments before but it would be her overall unusual behavior on the ship, the fact that she didn't allow anyone in to where she was staying while on the ship, he could find out or collab with the vice-cheif to figure out the whole cameras going out while she was supposed to be searched. You say he was with her the whole time as if if was literally hip to hip with her the whole time and he wasn't.
I think your missing what he is saying. IF and when they find out Luffy is the one with Buggy, they will realize they have had a compromise of their security from outside. In such cases, they will likely suspect the anomaly that showed at the time of the compromise. Hancock.
Thanks I was about to reply to each of his rebuttals if I didn't read your post. This is what I am basically saying and think will happen if they find out it is Luffy whether Hancock is still around or not.
The point still stands that she is just twisting their arms for her own pleasure. That fits her. And her wanting to see their prize fits her. Her wanting to do what she should not fits her. Her giving demands fits her. Her pushing their buttons fits her. I don't see anything suspicious about her actions. She's just a spoiled brat who likes to flaunt her power and position.
This doesn't fit to me simply because of her initial defiance to go.
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shrugs I enjoy beating my head on the wall as much as the next guy, but since I would rather avoid a headache tonight, we should just let it go.
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Hancock will be suspected, but she'll defend herself by stating that she doesn't know him, has never seen him before, and that she hates men anyway. The WG won't have evidence to convict her, but that won't stop them from imprisoning her just for suspicion.
nah, she'd probably confess that she's in love w/ him lol
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nah, she'd probably confess that she's in love w/ him lol
Highly unlikely unless she thinks Luffy is about to die…......