you could say that but i wont go any deeper than that cause the rabbit is tired from digging
Who should be dead in One Piece?
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Ussop should have been dead the moment Miss Valentines Day sat on him.
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Might as well have said, "It's okay, I can see his parachute!"
yeah, because right now he might be at Impel Down for trying to escape from the world's nobles
and Mary's fiancee must be so happy since he has no way to stop Charlos to do only god knows what to the woman she loves
it's just like with the villains. Oda would rather not let them escape from their despair so easily.
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**Who should be dead in One Piece?
BROOK**
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Mr. 1 Was always the one person I thought was taken out.
He had no guard up and was taken out from a single slash. A single steel cutting slash. Last words or not I was sure he was dead.
Worst case of people surving was in the A-team. A car flips clearly crunching the mobsters inside and you then hear "You okay?" "Yeah."
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You say that as if it were a bad thing.
I am positive (100%) if you would have been hit standing in the pose Franky did and hit with the speed he was you would be dead…
Still cudos to you...
P.S.
And if you say you were hit in that pose head on by a speeding train then- you were doing a suicide
- you are talking from heaven
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Well, I just had a mini essay on this over in the Naruto forum the other day, guess I'll recap and resay some of it here.
The conclusion I came to long ago, as to why people die in flashbacks and not in the present… is that Luffy represents the new era. In the past, there was pain and suffering, but Luffy came along and fixed things, makign stuff better wherever he goes. Where Luffy travels, people stop dying. Thats part of why hes so amazing and why the world will be better when he's pirate king, and thats just an aspect of the storytellign device. (Kinda like how when Goku shows up people stop dying.)
The big bonus to the fact that One Piece NEVER kills any characters, and because oda actually does keep referencing his minor characters from time to time in cover stories and random cameos and whatnot, it actually has its entire 10 year backstock to pull from, which is allowing Oda to potentially show a whole range of old badasses assembling, including former villains, do something in the near future. (The prospect of Crocadile and Luffy teaming up in the impending war is unlikely and illogical, but is tintilating) and he's even bringing in minor characters that only appeared in one panel before (various marines.) The fact that practically any number of old characters could show up in this arc, and that all the long built up powerhouses are going to show their stuff, has us anticipating it.
On the other hand, Oda's utter unwillingness to EVER kill a character is kind of annoying too, its probably One Piece's greatest weakness, that eventually, you get accustomed to the fact that however bad the situation is, the characters aren't in real danger, because there's NO chance for death. Greg points to Hacchan as a recent example, and I agree with that. Characters will dramatically fight to their limits, but when the arc boss is defeated, everyone is inevitably okay. Even random background just introduced fodder whose only purpose is to die... can't die. Thats in the spririt of a funner series, but it also kills a little of the drama.
Oda is currently playing the stakes high enough, saying its a major turning point in the world in omniscent narration... that its actually believable that someone (Whitebeard) just might die this arc, since the world is being shaken up and the entire second half of the series will likely be affected, however this all goes down. Even despite his 11 year no death policy, he still has us believing someone might die, because just this once, death is actually important to the plot and the consequences and stakes. As conscious as he has been about death, i do believe it is a card he will eventually play to great effect.
Because... the man can make me cry when a BOAT dies.
That said, his unwillingness to kill even fodder to up the stakes, when he USED to... is kind of sad and dissapointing.
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This issue is dead to me. After all this time, it's actually killing my enjoyment of the manga a little. In shonen, people can be super human, and go beyond mortal limits. At this point, within the context of the manga I'd rather believe that Pell has superhuman endurance, or rather a miracle happened and he fell on a giant bird to soften his fall, which fell in a lake to put out the fire, then received immediate medical treatment. The latter being not that impossible in this manga. It's the same with Shabody Island. I can't help but think with him "okay, he's alive. It's a little cheap, but he IS a famous tactician. There's a few why he could fake it."
Also, I'd rather accept this "no one dies" type of writing over the alternative. In response to Oda's lack of killing, I hear people basically say "I WANT DEATH" or "Hey! This manga would be good with more dying." It's a terrible mindset. I know they're fiction characters but I feel ill to see a desire for murder (though admittedly shonen does satisfy my hunger for violence. I guess I never got past that next step) Plus, the manga I've seen with frequent death have been awful. I'm not going to name name's, but frankly constantly losing characters cheapens them all. You can't get attached to a character, hence you stop caring. Of course, this is personal preference. And in hindsight, maybe it's Oda's manga that is encouraging this desire for death in manga? Or, maybe they were already there to begin with?
But yeah, I guess a few more people should die, but I can't think of any who really NEED to die. Especially after watching the Brook flashback and getting a mighty chunk of death–hell who cares about the flashback rule. That was a tasteful use of death, not like some manga where it's just an excuse for gore.
So, end rant. This has been a drawn out way to say I don't care, and there are more important things to think about in this manga.
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That already happened so I feel more than qualified to speak as an authority on the subject.
When you say you were hit by a train was it a real train or a toy one? Also if it was a real one was it in similar fashion to how Franky was hit where you were actually waiting for it to hit you, trying to stop/knock the train off the rails? or were you pushed in front of it? or did you jump in front of the train? If you were standing as the train hit you did you get knocked to the side or were you run over?
I'm sorry I'm suddenly interested if you're not being sarcastic since I've seen 3 ppl hit by a train where only one has survived and that was because he only got partially hit, like on the left side of his body cuz he was walking to close to the edge of the platform.
Regardless if your whole body is hit by a train you should be dead. Nothing short of a miracle or a freak occurrence that spared your life before contact would indicate otherwise. Nobody takes a full hit from a moving train at high speed and isn't near death.
Anyway I wouldn't mind Oda not killing these minor or fodder characters if they proved to be useful in a return to the story. Seems like he's just not killing them off just cuz whether he be a pacifist or insanely attached to any character he creates.
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Ubiq…. are you Franky?
:shocked:
I've been re-watching the Australia One Piece and they got past the part with Pagaya's big hit. What I completely forgot was Enel wasn't actually aiming for Pagaya, it was the wounded dude who was trying to warn him of Maxim.
Did we ever see that guy come back? I'll have to watch those episodes again later, but I'll be more forgiving of Pagaya's survival if Enel managed to take out his intended target.
All that train business
We should probably stop comparing our modern trains to those of the world of One Piece.
LOVE AND PEACE
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Capable doctors.
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Pell has survived miraculously after being blasted by a bomb and he would have been more memorable if he died.
Mr. 3 should have been dead if he was left on the bottom of the casino (the name escapes my mind right now). If anyone should have died, it was him…brrr.
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Where Luffy travels, people stop dying**. Thats part of why hes so amazing and why the world will be better when he's pirate king**
Understatement of the millennium!
Jesus didn't even pull that off in the bible; cured a few illnesses, fed the hungry taught some good life lessons but spreading immortality like smallpox? I think not….
All hail Luffy-sama THE GOD of gods......
Not to demean your post but that caught me off guard and I almost choked while drinking my lemonade.
We should probably stop comparing our modern trains to those of the world of One Piece.
Even so the sea train in OP has a striking resemblance to the late 19th century/early 20th century locomotive.
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@Zik:
Even so the sea train in OP has a striking resemblance to the late 19th century/early 20th century locomotive.
Oy, what did I just say!
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Yosaku. That lime juice seemed like too little, too late to me.
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it's just like with the villains. Oda would rather not let them escape from their despair so easily.
It's called being a pussy. Sorry. Oda clarified that people are as strong as their wills in his series. He broke that rule with piss-ant side characters surviving EXPLODING NECK COLLARS or BITING OFF THEIR TONGUE. It makes for poor story-telling.
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It's called being a pussy. Sorry. Oda clarified that people are as strong as their wills in his series. He broke that rule with piss-ant side characters surviving EXPLODING NECK COLLARS or BITING OFF THEIR TONGUE. It makes for poor story-telling.
You have a pretty strong will when you'd rather bite your tongue off than become a slave ;)
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Bet the tongue is still alive too.
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A simple explanation would be on-hand doctors. The most obvious example although, I wonder if I saw it right, was the decapitation and survival of Wapol on the winter Island were Chopper was recruited. Decapation is a commonly accepted from of instant death.
So, from that point on it would be natural to assume that any serious or fatal injury would be cured as long as there was a capable doctor nearby. Ta-da…Chopper...and the various doctors that were likely to be on the many islands that the strawhats visited. So a person the should be dead is instead alive.
The slaves. Simple. A dead slave is a useless slave. So, the bubble-head nobles and the auctioners, through fear or money, would likely have on-hand doctors to tend to the tounge-biting, head-exploding property....doctors, to which we have not seen due to the fact that Oda is a story-telling man who keeps us entertained with his ever expanding, always intricate, masterpiece.
Or he just forgot.
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You're all wondering why all these guys don't die? Yeah you figured it out… Strong ambition so..... HAKIIIIII!!! Tadaaaa!
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Well, I'll give credit to Oda if suddenly some really important character dies and it caughts us all of guard. Thats some serious build-up for something like that. Though If that never happens…meh...at least the "no one dies thing" would become an original reuccuring joke -_-
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The one death survival that bugs me in Conis' father. He should be dead. I don't know, everyone else, debateable. This guy got hit by lightning and while people have survived being hit by lightning in RL, thats hard to accept Enel as a villian since he survived.
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It's called being a pussy. Sorry. Oda clarified that people are as strong as their wills in his series. He broke that rule with piss-ant side characters surviving EXPLODING NECK COLLARS or BITING OFF THEIR TONGUE. It makes for poor story-telling.
But he didn't bite off his tongue. He bit off the tip in an attempt to fake his death and escape.
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Actually, Oda should die, and everyone here can move on to other mangas like Naruto or Bleach. Because Oda pacifist nature is going to make the manga so unbearable, that people can actually argue about his pacifist nature….........
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Am I the only one who thinks that is cool that Oda doesn't kill people. I mean, what good would that do to serie? For example, quality of Naruto's story has gone down since everyone started to die, like Asuma, Kakashi and Jiraya. Oda is only wise when he doesn't kill people, 'coz why to kill somebody, when it's death would not do anything good for the serie. Also if some of SH's friends would die, it would be difficult to Oda to decide how characters would react on that. Because in real life, death of close people can actually chance people for ever…
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Xosis, ever heard about the word "Realistic", "Dramatic", "Emotional"….... to say a few....
What the argument this thread is all about is that Oda should kill some people, so that some of the fans here can get high, because they are Oda's boss, and Oda has not been following orders. And since they can't fire Oda, this thread is the next best thing...
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Am I the only one who thinks that is cool that Oda doesn't kill people. I mean, what good would that do to serie? For example, quality of Naruto's story has gone down since everyone started to die, like Asuma, Kakashi and Jiraya. Oda is only wise when he doesn't kill people, 'coz why to kill somebody, when it's death would not do anything good for the serie. Also if some of SH's friends would die, it would be difficult to Oda to decide how characters would react on that. Because in real life, death of close people can actually chance people for ever…
Kishimoto let rock lee and gaara live he was a pussy. Those death is a futile attempt of his to shake off his pussy image. Some idiotic naruto fans actually find it touching and shedded tears. Pussy fans for pussy manga, how apt.
And wheres orochimaru, is he even really dead, is it even a suspense? Those cliffhangers like itachis real agenda, naruto is some prophecized messiah are poorly plotted. They are just uncertainty, anytime we can have a Naruto harass some resurrection jutsa and brings kakashi back. Or Jiraya appearing and then another 2 chapters of explaination/flashback of his survival. Uncertainty, not suspense. Just like bleach, when u come out with a super killing move and tot u have won, ur opponent has a super-super killing move u arent told before, u decide u cant hide ur super-super-super move anymore on the brink of death. -
Its not as if Oda doesn't kill characters, he just doesn't kill major characters.
What do you want, Sailor Moon + Dragonball scenerios where people die only to be brought back later?
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In Oda's defense, Lacuba really does seem dead. I figured that Disco's statement that they would sell him later was actually just an excuse to avoid annoying wealthy buyers, such as the Heavenly Dragons. Marie's boyfriend was kind of a good/neutral guy, plus taking him to the hospital made Zoro look tough, so it's a bit understandable. Devil Diaz… Yes, that was a bit wimpy of Oda. There's not really much defending that when he's let fodder characters of that level of description die before (Mr. 11 comes to mind). I mostly agree with Greg on this. The theme of "the power of a man's will" throughout the series means that I don't mind the so-called "ban of death", but it's right that the fodder characters die, just to keep it established that people can in fact die, and that lives are on the line here. I'm hoping he starts to do that again, hopefully with the war, e.g. killing off a few Marines, or Whitebeard crew-members.
What do you want, Sailor Moon + Dragonball scenerios where people die only to be brought back later?
That's basically what it is, though. I'll give Oda this much, though, he has yet to kill off a character, only to have that character somehow survive through an unknown twist in the situation, only to really kill that character off later. I'm looking at you, Araki…
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He showed up in a later panel after Franky freed the slaves.
ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
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Biting off your tongue doesn't ensure death. I know someone that almost bit his entirely off. It was hanging off at the end of a piece of tissue. He's still alive and kicking with a serious scar on his tongue - all of which he has.
So the "he bit his tongue off, he should be dead" argument is a little moot point since it doesn't kill you if you get medical attention.
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He showed up in a later panel after Franky freed the slaves.
Oh right, that guy who joined Law's crew. That was him? It was, wasn't it. Alright, I agree with Greg on that count too.\
And dirt monkey AL, it's not that he should be dead because he bit his tongue off. It's that he should be dead because he was a fodder character who was meant to illustrate the horrors of life as a slave, a life worth killing yourself to avoid, only… he apparently wasn't killing himself over it.
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blackbeard should be dead, flame lance in both his lungs (speculation) should hav killed him right? and moria should definately be dead but i guess havin hogbak in his crew was a good idea, an entire tower collapsing on him is intense tho
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With that one though, since it was a small cameo, I took it as Oda making fun of himself; that is was more a running gag and that Lacuba is actually dead. Especially since he isn't mentioned after he was carted of the stage.
Originally Posted by dinty
Robin's in handcuffs; Ace is in chains; Zoro's a Loli-Goth's pet dog/slave; Sanji's been attacked by transvestites and an entire clan has just dropped their drawers for Brook.
In one small chapter, Oda made OP's doujin community completely redundant.
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With that one though, since it was a small cameo, I took it as Oda making fun of himself; that is was more a running gag and that Lacuba is actually dead. Especially since he isn't mentioned after he was carted of the stage.
Carted off stage to be treated. He was a slave, and they were in the business of selling slaves. Not very profitable for them if they didn't try to save him and his tongue - to them, he might sell higher than his medical fee.
We saw him, so joke or not, he's alive.
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You can place One Piece characters in peril but it never really seems like much because not much later you know they will be in bandages and up and about. There are no rules of death to the One Piece universe and from a storytelling perspective that's problematic. When you look at imaginary situations, worlds like the world of Toy Story or even Roger Rabbit have rules of their universe clearly defined. Heck in Roger Rabbit it's very clear how to kill a 'toon, so the viewer gets the feeling that the characters can be placed in peril and have their backs placed against the wall. This is exactly what I'm looking for in regards to One Piece characters. Rules that govern them. How do you kill One Piece characters?
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How do you kill One Piece characters?
Bullet to the head worked against mr 11 and drinking hero water worked for the royal alabasta guards.
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Saw a topic on another forum and since we are stuck without a chapter this week thought this should be an interesting debate, from which we may get a list of people who should have "by our standards" died in One Piece but did not…
Its not about coincidence that saved them, its not about their devil fruit (brook) its about the situations that happened after which you told yourself the guy is/should be dead after this one...I appologize if a topic like this already exists but couldnt find any similar with the search button and quite frankly when you have to wait 60 secs between searches it just...., well you dont search much...
So just to start it off I ll name three and add this picture with which I agree:
Read normal from left to rightDevil Diaz (1) = Exploding Collar around his neck
Marie`s fiance (1) = Tenryuubito shoots him Franky (1)= hit by a Train!
Pell(1) = exploded together with a bomb Sanji(1) = 3 months of starvation
Spandam(1) = got his spine broken by Robin…
Skypiea people(1) = struck by lightnings (at least the fodder type ones...) Usopp (1) = mr 4 hit him with his baseball bat we could "hear" his skull cracking…
Wiper (1) = reject dial damage with electroshocks to boot Zeff(1) = 3 month of starvation plus cut leg to bootOff that list only Pell should of died. Other's horribly disfigured. Frankie should be dead also. That comic strip was to funny.
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Impel Down is not the most dangerous jail in the world. In fact, it is Oda's convenient way of not having to kill off even the baddest of criminals.
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Was spandams spine breaking in the manga or was that anime only? I dont recall ever seeing his spine break. At least not more then any other person Robin bended backwards.
Sanjis starvation: whats the difference in the storys between the anime and the manga there? didn't he have food in one of them?
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Was spandams spine breaking in the manga or was that anime only? I dont recall ever seeing his spine break. At least not more then any other person Robin bended backwards.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/429/14-15/
That looked pretty far back. His head is almost touching the ground with his feet still on it. I'll compare to Pell.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/170/10/
That was bad too, but it wasn't nearly as far back as Spandam was. However, it's possible for Spandam to survive that. He'd just be paralyzed.
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This kind of threads are…
but i think everything will change in second half of grand line, so someone have to die. Ace, i m counting on you.
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Arlong. Pell. Enel. Ussop.
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Sanjis starvation: whats the difference in the storys between the anime and the manga there? didn't he have food in one of them?
In both the anime and manga sanji had food (for 25 days). on the 25th day his last piece of stale bread accidently falls out of his hands. IN the anime the ship arrives on the 47th day in the manga its on the 70th. In the anime no water hole is shown and its not clear what the hell zeff did for all those days. In the manga sanji still had water (making it more believable) and Zeff ate his leg
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In both the anime and manga sanji had food (for 25 days). on the 25th day his last piece of stale bread accidently falls out of his hands. IN the anime the ship arrives on the 47th day in the manga its on the 70th. In the anime no water hole is shown and its not clear what the hell zeff did for all those days. In the manga sanji still had water (making it more believable) and Zeff ate his leg
I thought it was like 80-90 days in both the anime and the manga.
Still, in the manga, that means Sanji was without food for 45 days (for Zeff, possibly even longer since we don't know how many days of food that supplied). That's a month and a half.
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Arlong. Pell. Enel. Ussop.
Why Arlong? He didn't take any injury that's say, a guaranteed death. The same with Enel. I think you're suggesting he'd die after falling through sea cloud, but with his abilities is doesn't seem too odd that he could have gotten the ship working before that.
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^ I think its was that axe kick to the back of the neck for Arlong. It technically should've killed him on contact seeing as he went through a whole building.
I think for Enel may be about when Wiper got him with the reject dial and stopped his heart(something was made of sea stone so it was able to hurt him). Although as we know sea stone only makes a DF user weak, I'm not even sure why Enel got hit besides that once the sea stone was no longer near him he could use his powers again, thus, using his powers to restart his heart. I think this makes perfect sense tho, there was no other time he should be dead imo.
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I don't know, but Devil Dias looked pretty dead to me.
Do we really need someone announcing people's death to be sure of it? The translation says "Even if he did survive", which means survival is a remote possibility. Did we really need Hachi or Pappagu go all Leonard McCoy and say "He's Dead, Luffy"?
Yeah, we all know how Oda works, but IMO in that particular scene I think he was just trying to show Luffy's naiveness by having him trying to delude himself that the guy is still alive and just being thrown in jail.
It made for a powerful scene in my opinion. Much more than the 4 idiots who drank the water of stupidity in Alabasta. Actually I consider that chapter the only one where Oda REALLY failed, HARD. Introducing 4 characters just to have them die like 10 pages later because of some magic water that hadn't been mentioned anywhere before, expecting us to feel simpathy for them? Just stupid, IMO. In that case you really can tell Oda just came up with some cheap drama on the spot to fill up those pages. It was especially unnecessary because unlike the Tenryuubito, we'd already seen how much of a motherfucker Crocodile was, there was no need to reinforce the point. If I could remove just one chapter from One Piece, that would be the one. Also, IIRC, even in that case we dont hear anyone saying they died. So its similar to Devil Dias, amirite?
Of course, if Oda will show him again alive and kicking i'll eat crow, but I've got this feeling telling me it won't happen.(sorry if my english is poor, i'm italian :) )
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Oh right, that guy who joined Law's crew. That was him? It was, wasn't it. Alright, I agree with Greg on that count too.
No no no. That's Jean Bart who joined Law. In one of the panels where Franky is giving the keys to the slaves you can see one of the slaves in the background with the same exact tattoo as Lacuba who bit his tongue. Though on that count, I don't remember them saying he bit it off and at least he was mentioned to be a famous tactician.
I haven't seen people mention Gin yet either. I know that he was shown sailing off possibly to die, but the way MH5 was built up he should of been dead within minutes of being poisoned.
Oda has stated that Zoro lost 5 liters of blood fighting Hachi and Arlong at Arlong Park. I had to get this off wiki because I remember there used to be a site that had a list of blood loss from a couple of Zoro's fights. Point is usually 4 pints lost is enough to cause death.
I know that this could just be how they were talking but it was also said that Zoro killed those bounty hunters on Whiskey Peak so I wouldn't be surprised if at least SOME of them died (Obviously not all or Luffy wouldn't of found Zoro).
Also the whole Franky argument about him needing to be dead is kind of ridiculous. You're trying to put real world physics to a manga. We have Zoro lifting up buildings that is directly on top of him and even pinning one of his arms and you don't think that Franky may of had some pretty good strength as a kid. If the train just hit him and he got thrown out of the way, I'd be on your side saying, 'That mother ****** dead.' But he was actually able to stop the train momentarily meaning that he had some strength. If you really are bothered by that then you should be upset everytime somebody survives an attack from Luffy, Zoro, and Luffy since they all can easily smash through iron at least.
I'm not bothered by the issue of death in One Piece that much, not really sure why, just thought I'd throw some stuff in for why some people survived and why some people should of died. In Naruto I actually liked Asuma's death and thought the series was actually becoming good again, but lately it has gotten ridiculous with the stupid anti-climatic deaths. Itachi, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, and Kakashi were all done horribly in my opinion. As far as Bleach goes, there's none that really come to mind other then the fact that if Rangiku lives, it can almost top any non-death in One Piece, because at Least Oda hasn't shown somebody have half of the portion of the torso under the ribs torn out and the person doesn't die.
Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.
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Much more than the 4 idiots who drank the water of stupidity in Alabasta. Actually I consider that chapter the only one where Oda REALLY failed, HARD. Introducing 4 characters just to have them die like 10 pages later because of some magic water that hadn't been mentioned anywhere before, expecting us to feel simpathy for them? Just stupid, IMO.
The irony is delicious lol…...
Anyway Gin should be dead but I'm really expecting his return so I don't mind him not dying minutes after being exposed to the poison gas of MH5. That's just the fan in me but if you think about it he should be dead.
