@Monkey:
Well that didn't take long.
Well shit….... there are no words for this....
@Monkey:
Well that didn't take long.
Well shit….... there are no words for this....
My deepest apologies.*Leaves in embarassment *
OH MY… OH MY, OH MY, OH MY!!!
So many social topics will be brought up for the rest of this month. Ever since the election the social tension between religion and guns in this country is tremendously increasing! So much asshurt will rise from this video. This man has just lit a fire that will endlessly consume
Merry Christmas Everyone
@Monkey:
Well that didn't take long.
Well shit….... there are no words for this....
These types of people in America have had lots of power since roughly Ronald Reagan was first elected.
And they are at last on the verge, if not the start already, of a violent sudden cultural decline into utter irrelevance and political oblivion.
And I am going to watch them shrivel up and sink down the drain, every second of it, every detail, and make sure to memorize every inch of the horror in their eyes as it happens.
Ugh. And I imagine Fischer will pale in comparison to Phelps' next statement.
@Monkey:
Well that didn't take long.
What the fuck did I just watch…
@Monkey:
These types of people in America have had lots of power since roughly Ronald Reagan was first elected.
And they are at last on the verge, if not the start already, of a violent sudden cultural decline into utter irrelevance and political oblivion.
And I am going to watch them shrivel up and sink down the drain, every second of it, every detail, and make sure to memorize every inch of the horror in their eyes as it happens.
I'm glad to hear that. I mean, the part where these people slowly but surely vanish.
I do wonder though… Isn't there a bunch of people who want this guy's head? I mean, as I see it, he's probably hated by many.
Ugh. And I imagine Fischer will pale in comparison to Phelps' next statement.
I'll be honest, gay marriage is a great cause to begin with, but really fires me personally about it is precisely it's manner of being the frontline in the fight against these people. To win on that front is to start truly destroying them. It's a wider battle.
Fact is, they see it that way too.
I want my kids to grow up in America without having obligatory religion extremist motherfuckers saying stuff like this, as we've had after 9-11, Columbine, Katrina…
@Monkey:
And I am going to watch them shrivel up and sink down the drain, every second of it, every detail, and make sure to memorize every inch of the horror in their eyes as it happens.
This is exactly how I feel about all these people who actively rebel against progress. I'm sick of it.
I'm glad to hear that. I mean, the part where these people slowly but surely vanish.
I do wonder though… Isn't there a bunch of people who want this guy's head? I mean, as I see it, he's probably hated by many.
There's a lot of Americans who do see the country, especially after Obama was re-elected (or elected at all) as sliding down some MORAL SLOPE and shit like that. He has plenty of likeminds.
Not in MY neck of the woods though, I wish these fuckers would keep themselves to their own neighborhoods and spare us.
Better yet they leave the country for Saudi Arabia where they would truly fit in.
@Monkey:
You completely misunderstood that post apparently. Gun control is a useless issue to bring up nationally because of the resistance to it. You will rile up half the country and lose votes and politicians you would need to fix medicare and maybe not go to a stupid war again. I stand by it. Thankfully states can jigger their individual laws, so we up here don't have to give a fuck what Angus Dangle of shitkicker Arkansas has to think about it.
And yes this is a really shitty time to bring this up Bill.
Don't really want to follow this on, but I'm going to anyway: I get your argument, but I don't fully agree with it. Sure, Obama's call for "meaningful action […] regardless of politics" may not come to anything, but I think after an event like this, it might be a good idea.
On a totally unrelated note, although related to earlier discussion:
Opposition leader Ed Miliband talks about "integration". It was more or less an apology for the previous government's failures, but it was put along the right lines, I think, with talk about the need to improve teaching of English, including cutting translation budgets if it protected English-teaching. It's something that bothers me sometimes … I certainly don't mind people keeping their mother tongue as their first language (as my parents do) but when people have poor ability in speaking and understanding English, it's very annoying. Although I can't tell as I go to a pretty good school, I reckon work done in schools to teach English to English-as-a-second-language students is pretty good ... it's more an issue of an older, immigrant population whose work doesn't involve much in the way of face-to-face work with people who don't speak their own first language . . . All that said, I don't think that the UK struggles to 'integrate' immigrants very much.
Holy shit, I just realized that my little cousin use to go the very same school in Connecticut before moving to a new school a few months ago . Had he stayed, he could have been one of the victims….....
Jesus christ.
That is fucking disgusting. It's an awful and opportunist attempt to shift the subject and the blame. I've never understood arguements like this. Unless you believe god (or gods as the case may be) is some kind of douche like the ancient Greeks did, how can you accuse a truly benvolent god of giving a shit whether people pray to him or not as long as they act good? Especially when it's children who had no part in what he's talking about to begin with
Just listened to that. Still boggles my mind a little there are such people. Still, on a tangent I risk opening up, I do disapprove of, as he puts it, "kicking God out of the American school system" (or something like that).
That is fucking disgusting. It's an awful and opportunist attempt to shift the subject and the blame. I've never understood arguements like this. Unless you believe god (or gods as the case may be) is some kind of douche like the ancient Greeks did, how can you accuse a truly benvolent god of giving a shit whether people pray to him or not as long as they act good? Especially when it's children who had no part in what he's talking about to begin with
It's a perverted equation of American Protestant sects that ignore the New Testament when convenient and mostly jerk off to the Old Testament (without the semi-sarcastic fatalistic ethnic view of it that Jews do).
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Just listened to that. Still boggles my mind a little there are such people. Still, on a tangent I risk opening up, I do disapprove of, as he puts it, "kicking God out of the American school system" (or something like that).
So you think we should have one religion's symbols, rituals, and words embedded into public school systems.
Yeah no.
Just listened to that. Still boggles my mind a little there are such people. Still, on a tangent I risk opening up, I do disapprove of, as he puts it, "kicking God out of the American school system" (or something like that).
Ehhh, children should probably be aware of the impact that Abrahamic religions have had on world history and our society, but I don't think that the Word of God should be taught in schools. No religion should be treated as doctrine, especially in a place where children are socially conditioned.
Ehhh, children should probably be aware of the impact that Abrahamic religions have had on world history and our society, but I don't think that the Word of God should be taught in schools. No religion should be treated as doctrine, especially in a place where children are socially conditioned.
Connecticut is too religiously diverse for that shit anyway. Fairfeild country especially.
My mom has to deal with that frequently at work, and some of her coworkers don't get it. Jewish kids, Hindu kids, PLENTY of not really religious people etc. Not to mention a pluralistic field of different Christianities. We've learned to survive next to each-other precisely by fostering a culture that allows different groups to coexist, we had to being so close to Ellis Island/NYC.
So FUCK this son of a bitch (Fischer) for taking our blood to use as a call for the end of that.
@Monkey:
So you think we should have one religion's symbols, rituals, and words embedded into public school systems.
Yeah no.
I'm not so aware of the American system, but I was under the impression that religious education of any kind could not happen in state schools?
Things like that bother me. I think it better that schools teach about religions. And I also think that state-funded faith schools are a good thing so long as they take in a good number of pupils of other faiths and are not overly proselytising. I know a lot of non-Christians who came through Christian schools at some point. Actually, I went to a Christian primary school, although it wasn't a state school, and I don't think it was an issue. It still had people of many faiths and, well, there were prayers read and the like, and hymns and we went to a nearby church a couple of times a year, but I didn't think that was ever an issue for most pupils. A couple used their option not to attend assemblies or go to the church for faith reasons. The only issue I'd take with it was that our religious education was almost entirely Christian, with only a little bit quickly taught about a load of other major religions.
In a similar vein, it bothers me that in France, pupils are not allowed to wear any religious symbol. Oh, even if they're a guest coming over for a week on an exchange.
I'm not so aware of the American system, but I was under the impression that religious education of any kind could not happen in state schools?
In what sense? You mean bible studies? No. That has no place in public schools.
Or do you mean like Religious/Philosophy types classes, those exist. Basic history class discusses some of it. And state colleges have plenty such classes you can sign up for. My college has a Jewish studies type class or something.
If the former, the hell? Why does that belong? It's senseless to the extreme. I mean even purposeless. People have their churches and those churches have their sunday schools. I really don't get you at all if this is your angle.
Things like that bother me. I think it better that schools teach about religions.
You think this is a religion studies class this guy is talking about? Like a place where kids learn about different types of world religions?
lol, I envy your innocence.
Welcome to the buttugly side of American religion, look up this guy and you'll see what he's really saying.
And I also think that state-funded faith schools are a good thing so long as they take in a good number of pupils of other faiths and are not overly proselytising.
Yeah the state damn well does not need such things. That's not a needed service to use tax dollars on at all.
There are loads of Private schools that cater to various religions. You can't go two feet in Connecticut without tripping over a Catholic school.
And being proletyzing is exactly what this guy wants. Don't you get what he's saying? God let five year olds die because we "rejected" him. That's literally what he's saying.
Just like
I know a lot of non-Christians who came through Christian schools at some point.
Those aforementioned Catholic schools are filled with Jews and Protestants as much as any Catholics. They're better schools usually than the public ones.
What's you point? Private is private. Public is public. You are entering on someone else's terms and understand that when you apply for a private school. Public? Uh no.
In a similar vein, it bothers me that in France, pupils are not allowed to wear any religious symbol. Oh, even if they're a guest coming over for a week on an exchange.
People can wear whatever the hell they want, and pray as much as they want in our schools. Nor are Islamic headscarves illegal as far as I'm aware, I see a ton on my state school campus. So no we are not France.
There's a huge difference between individuals doing that, and it being school policy.
I'm not so aware of the American system, but I was under the impression that religious education of any kind could not happen in state schools?
Things like that bother me. I think it better that schools teach about religions. And I also think that state-funded faith schools are a good thing so long as they take in a good number of pupils of other faiths and are not overly proselytising. I know a lot of non-Christians who came through Christian schools at some point. Actually, I went to a Christian primary school, although it wasn't a state school, and I don't think it was an issue. It still had people of many faiths and, well, there were prayers read and the like, and hymns and we went to a nearby church a couple of times a year, but I didn't think that was ever an issue for most pupils. A couple used their option not to attend assemblies or go to the church for faith reasons. The only issue I'd take with it was that our religious education was almost entirely Christian, with only a little bit quickly taught about a load of other major religions.
In a similar vein, it bothers me that in France, pupils are not allowed to wear any religious symbol. Oh, even if they're a guest coming over for a week on an exchange.
You can learn about faiths, but not actively promote any of them. As a non-christian, I'd hate to go to a christian school where I'm constantly being told my beliefs are wrong and that their beliefs are better.
I'm really not enjoying seeing the name of a town I live near and always liked now being followed by the word MASSACRE. I am not enjoying this at all.
It's amazing how much more this sucks when it's all familiar. I've gotten so used to seeing it with like AURORA or FORT WORTH, and it doesn't register anywhere near the same.
Stop saying "newtown" news people. I know that place, you must be making a mistake.
The worst part… From this day forth, it will be associated with a massacre. Just like Colombine, or Virginia Tech...area.
@Monkey:
In what sense? You mean bible studies? No. That has no place in public schools.
Or do you mean like Religious/Philosophy types classes, those exist. Basic history class discusses some of it. And state colleges have plenty such classes you can sign up for. My college has a Jewish studies type class or something.If the former, the hell? Why does that belong? It's senseless to the extreme. I mean even purposeless. People have their churches and those churches have their sunday schools. I really don't get you at all if this is your angle.
Well, for one, I don't understand your aversion to the study of scriptures. My school used to do studies of some of the gospels at GCSE and A-Level as well as OT studies at A-level, alongside other stuff (for me, at GCSE, I did Luke's Gospel, Mark's Gospel, Islam and Sikhism). It's changed with the department head, as we've chosen more philosphy of religion and general philosophy based stuff. Oh, the subject studied in that way is optional at those levels, yes, but there's similar stuff at earlier levels, but less in depth. I think an aversion to studying the Bible because it's the Bible is ridiculous - why not tell me to study Soviet Russia without reading any of its propaganda?
You think this is a religion studies class this guy is talking about? Like a place where kids learn about different types of world religions?
lol, I envy your innocence.
Welcome to the buttugly side of American religion, look up this guy and you'll see what he's really saying.
I did say I was going off on a bit of a tangent … I realise what he was saying. As I said, it still boggles my mind people like him are around in the US.
Yeah the state damn well does not need such things. That's not a needed service to use tax dollars on at all.
, and this. I guess being British you just can't process this as a thing, well we're used to it. Not any less furious, but surprised? No.
There are loads of Private schools that cater to various religions. You can't go two feet in Connecticut without tripping over a Catholic school.
And being proletyzing is exactly what this guy wants. Don't you get what he's saying? God let five year olds die because we "rejected" him. That's literally what he's saying.
Just like
Well, faith schools still teach stuff. And, my view is, if parents want their children to be taught a lot about their faith in particular, they should be able to get that without having to pay for a private school. Not that I don't understand your point of view.
And again, I get what he's about.
Those aforementioned Catholic schools are filled with Jews and Protestants as much as any Catholics. They're better schools usually than the public ones.
What's you point? Private is private. Public is public. You are entering on someone else's terms and understand that when you apply for a private school. Public? Uh no.
Well, people I'm talking about went to CofE schools payed for by the state … I don't think it's so much of an issue as is made of it. A faith school on the state is a bit different from your average comprehensive and if you think it better not to go there, you can, uh, not. Faith schools in England are run fairly well ... there are certain limitations, eg even if they are liberated from the national curriculum (which they must follow in all but religious studies) by being made academies, they must teach evolution and not creationism, etc. I think that if they were also run with a forced intake of those from any religious backgrounds (done in many CofE schools, I think) and had a restriction that they must teach a certain amount about other faiths, even if the main impetus of RS is in their specific faith, then I would be perfectly happy with them. I think opposing a state-funded faith school on the principle that state money should not pay for specific-faith religious education, while understandable, is pretty narrow minded.
People can wear whatever the hell they want, and pray as much as they want in our schools. Nor are Islamic headscarves illegal as far as I'm aware, I see a ton on my state school campus. So no we are not France.
There's a huge difference between individuals doing that, and it being school policy.
No, the US is not France. France's policies on religion and education annoy me A LOT more. I also wasn't implying that the US and France were the same in this respect.
You can learn about faiths, but not actively promote any of them. As a non-christian, I'd hate to go to a christian school where I'm constantly being told my beliefs are wrong and that their beliefs are better.
Oh, I see. Are teachers allowed to talk about their faith/discuss that?
religious education (of the kind, that promotes one religion) in state schools isn't a good idea. I think it's even bad for the religion it is suppose to promote (compulsory religious education in schools helps establish low standard of teaching it, for one thing - trust me I undergone it). And in multicultural society like US the idea is just hilarious - it would be hard to tell what religion are they suppose to teach, or alternatively try to teach all students their own religion, and that'll be hard to.
It's good idea to teach about various religions, philosophies and ethics, so that people could have some basic understanding for other cults and all, but having religious education promoting one religion isn't serving that purpose.
As long as there is nothing preventing students from expressing their beliefs in school I can't see how people of any religion should have problems with that. Some of them have, though, because they are jerks who want to enforce their on view on other people or at least they feel they are better than anyone else and want to be treated as special by everyone.
Man, I haven't heard of this horrible story yet before I entered this thread just now. Really terrible, but with things like that I try to not let it affect me too much honestly.
!
Also, people like this are just…
The name of the monster who did is….
! Adam Lanza.
The reason his name is spoiler tagged is for those who don't want to know who this man's name is.
religious education (of the kind, that promotes one religion) in state schools isn't a good idea. I think it's even bad for the religion it is suppose to promote (compulsory religious education in schools helps establish low standard of teaching it, for one thing - trust me I undergone it). And in multicultural society like US the idea is just hilarious - it would be hard to tell what religion are they suppose to teach, or alternatively try to teach all students their own religion, and that'll be hard to.
It's good idea to teach about various religions, philosophies and ethics, so that people could have some basic understanding for other cults and all, but having religious education promoting one religion isn't serving that purpose.
As long as there is nothing preventing students from expressing their beliefs in school I can't see how people of any religion should have problems with that. Some of them have, though, because they are jerks who want to enforce their on view on other people or at least they feel they are better than anyone else and want to be treated as special by everyone.
Well … it depends. I agree with you, sure, that there should be teaching of multiple religions, etc. But to say that the teaching of one religion in a particular school in a diverse society is laughable, I cannot agree with. I mean, there are areas with more or less of this grouping or that grouping, and a school can teach one religion there, and it would mostly take in people of the religion it's teaching, right? Because most people of different religions would probably want to go elsewhere. And it is far from impossible to teach about a religion - whether it is the only one you teach or not - without ramming it down pupils' throats. To deny that is being ridiculously paranoid of people who teach about religion.
And it's not necessarily people wanting to be 'treated as special'. It can also be that people want a school which focuses the thrust of its religious education in that their religion is. And that is a perfectly understandable desire. Indeed, it's just as understandable as not wanting to have a religion rammed down your throat by closed-minded fundamentalists.
Also: 'Politico's Roger Simon tweets: "Accusing people of 'politicizing' tragedy is a gun lobby ploy to keep us from acting against gun massacres. Don't fall for it. Act."'
And also, I'm hearing on the BBC just now from a Connecticut Assemblyman that their gun laws are quite strict, but at least one of the guns used is illegal to possess under Connecticut Law ... it's gun laws elsewhere that are a big part of the problem. Robert Godfrey, incidentally.
The name of the monster who did is….
! Adam Lanza.
The reason his name is spoiler tagged is for those who don't want to know who this man's name is.
Being afraid (I guess the word would be) of his name just gives him power. I sure as heck won't be afraid to see it or say it, especially when I'm bad mouthing him while discussing the incident with my family and friends.
@The:
The worst part… From this day forth, it will be associated with a massacre. Just like Colombine, or Virginia Tech...area.
Well only for the rest of the country, Newtown was a thing before this happened to us. It still will be, but it will be different.
I still want to drive Chrissie through there on a crisp fall day, because it really is drop dead gorgeous. Even the news anchors keep emphasizing that. Poor Newtown.
You know what's really sad… The principles twitter right here: https://twitter.com/DHochsprung
It has pictures (day(s) before the shooting, of course) discussing school activities etc. to come.
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@Monkey:
Well only for the rest of the country, Newtown was a thing before this happened to us. It still will be, but it will be different.
I still want to drive Chrissie through there on a crisp fall day, because it really is drop dead gorgeous. Even the news anchors keep emphasizing that. Poor Newtown.
Yeah. It looks like a really nice area, and everyone they interviewed kept saying it was an excellent region; an excellent school.
I think an aversion to studying the Bible because it's the Bible is ridiculous - why not tell me to study Soviet Russia without reading any of its propaganda?
I don't know what to tell you because obviously I'm not getting through to you at all about what the nature of this movement in the US is.
I'd say it's because your a foreigner, but people from Cyprus, Poland and Hungary (those first two being quite religious too) understand the difference going on here.
No. This is not what you think it is. It is absolutely not.
Stop arguing it and go spend some time with the dark side of America's religious right. Go spend several hours making yourself familiar with them, then when you come back maybe you'll have even a close idea to the shadow over on the side of America that we Americans are so used to that we don't usually have to explain it to others. It's our collective curse that our generation has been leading the cultural fight against, whether we're religious ourselves or not.
I'm not going to keep arguing this until you've at least realized what the case is here.
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@The:
You know what's really sad… The principles twitter right here: https://twitter.com/DHochsprung
It has pictures (day(s) before the shooting, of course) discussing school activities etc. to come.
I heard he died a hero, he managed to get on the intercom or something. May even have been why he died.
@Monkey:
I don't know what to tell you because obviously I'm not getting through to you at all about what the nature of this movement in the US is.
I'd say it's because your a foreigner, but people from Cyprus, Poland and Hungary (those first two being quite religious too) understand the difference going on here.No. This is not what you think it is. It is absolutely not.
Stop arguing it and go spend some time with the dark side of America's religious right. Go spend several hours making yourself familiar with them, then when you come back maybe you'll have even a close idea to the shadow over on the side of America that we Americans are so used to that we don't usually have to explain it to others. It's our collective curse that our generation has been leading the cultural fight against, whether we're religious ourselves or not.
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I heard he died a hero, he managed to get on the intercom or something. May even have been why he died.
Yeah. SHE managed to broadcast the argument over the loudspeaker to the entire school, as to…give a 'warning' of sorts (because she probably knew it would escalate into what it did).
She? I saw a picture of a guy. Maybe it was the vice principal I saw.
@Monkey:
She? I saw a picture of a guy. Maybe it was the vice principal I saw.
Probably. Or another official of the school/school district. Her name was Dawn Houchsprung.
@Monkey:
I don't know what to tell you because obviously I'm not getting through to you at all about what the nature of this movement in the US is.
I'd say it's because your a foreigner, but people from Cyprus, Poland and Hungary (those first two being quite religious too) understand the difference going on here.No. This is not what you think it is. It is absolutely not.
Stop arguing it and go spend some time with the dark side of America's religious right. Go spend several hours making yourself familiar with them, then when you come back maybe you'll have even a close idea to the shadow over on the side of America that we Americans are so used to that we don't usually have to explain it to others. It's our collective curse that our generation has been leading the cultural fight against, whether we're religious ourselves or not.
I'm not going to keep arguing this until you've at least realized what the case is here.
Uh, YOU are not getting through to ME? I already said that this isn't at all arguing for the the guys like that. I heard what he said and went off at a tangent. My point was never, hey, the US government should be funding religious schools because they can work and be good even in a diverse community. It was, hey, state-backed religious schools can work and be good even in a diverse community. I'm just giving my argument for why I don't like the idea of separating the teaching of religion from state schooling, as it is in the US; how I don't like that, in France, people can't show any sign of their religion at school. But these things are in principle only. Of course when you're talking about what to do in practice, the situation's going to be different from place to place.
Uh, YOU are not getting through to ME? I already said that this isn't at all arguing for the the guys like that. I heard what he said and went off at a tangent. My point was
Do you not get that I and no one else don't care right now what your abstract argument is? I assumed that maybe just maybe you were trying to stick to something of the current event, with the discussion of the asshole who said what he did. I gave you that benefit of the doubt, because if it's not at all relevant to any of this why would we be talking about it.
Take a hint. I love arguing about whatever. I am passing that by now. Get the picture?
Well … it depends. I agree with you, sure, that there should be teaching of multiple religions, etc. But to say that the teaching of one religion in a particular school in a diverse society is laughable, I cannot agree with. I mean, there are areas with more or less of this grouping or that grouping, and a school can teach one religion there, and it would mostly take in people of the religion it's teaching, right? Because most people of different religions would probably want to go elsewhere. And it is far from impossible to teach about a religion - whether it is the only one you teach or not - without ramming it down pupils' throats. To deny that is being ridiculously paranoid of people who teach about religion.
And it's not necessarily people wanting to be 'treated as special'. It can also be that people want a school which focuses the thrust of its religious education in that their religion is. And that is a perfectly understandable desire. Indeed, it's just as understandable as not wanting to have a religion rammed down your throat by closed-minded fundamentalists.
Also: 'Politico's Roger Simon tweets: "Accusing people of 'politicizing' tragedy is a gun lobby ploy to keep us from acting against gun massacres. Don't fall for it. Act."'
And also, I'm hearing on the BBC just now from a Connecticut Assemblyman that their gun laws are quite strict, but at least one of the guns used is illegal to possess under Connecticut Law ... it's gun laws elsewhere that are a big part of the problem. Robert Godfrey, incidentally.
You don't understand. I attended compulsory classes, where my own religion have been thought so it's not like it have been enforced on me, I've decided to stay by the religion despite attending those. I'm against those classes in compulsory schooling system mainly because they actually discourage young people from religion, they are not able to uphold the standard of teaching religion in Sunday schools or private, religious orientated schools (where I live there are public schools, that have just as high standard as private schools so bad religious education really stands out). It's bothersome, that many people drops their religion due to faulty education, the fact that kids see religious education as enforced isn't helping at all.
I agree that parents be force to pay for religious education of their kids, but that can be easily resolve with government making fund for education for churches and other religious organizations. I government sponsors education in different departments of social life, like education how to be environmental friendly, art education, courses how to get job etc. They also can sponsor religious education done by non-government organization. That way it would be easier to to found education for people of different religions too. After all money from government funds comes from taxes, so it belongs to people and most people want some religious education for their children.
I'm not saying to entirely give up on religious education, I just say it shouldn't be part of compulsory schooling system, especially in religiously varied societies as USA, where it crates additional problems.
And it's also clear that nobody should be forced to be educated in religion, that isn't their own.
Reading Bible is different matter, you don't need to believer of any religion to read it. Bible is classic of literature work and historical source very important to western culture, so at least part of it should be read during Literature classes and history classes, however during those classes, they should be discussed without religious angle.
@The:
You know what's really sad… The principles twitter right here: https://twitter.com/DHochsprung
It has pictures (day(s) before the shooting, of course) discussing school activities etc. to come.
oh man…
looking over those pictures and the comments underneath them made my eyes wet,
knowing that any one of the lovely people in those photos could be among the dead right now :(
i still can't get my head around this awful tragedy.
The Columbine Shootings happened all over again while I watched the Hobbit Preimere?
WELP.
@Monkey:
how teachers are paid too much
Who the hell says that? They're like, super underpaid…. when they should be paid like doctors.
Fuck guns.
This is repulsive. The shit people are trying to say to defend gun ownership for sick motherfucks like this is repulsive.
Metal detectors in every school. Psychiatric evaluations for anyone trying to possess a firearm. Automatic weapons ban.
I fucking hate guns.
Enough is enough.
Important to note: they were his mother's guns.
This changes nothing really. It should just be stated.
Also, he had no criminal record, and was apparently a technical genius
@Monkey:
Apparently the Ryan Lanza person is the brother of the killer, Adam Lanza.
Poor kid was getting attacked on facebook all morning, and then he has to deal with his mother being killed by his brother, and the knowledge of everything his brother did.
@Nex:
Poor kid was getting attacked on facebook all morning, and then he has to deal with his mother being killed by his brother, and the knowledge of everything his brother did.
Actually I think the first Ryan Lanza was a completely different Ryan Lanza than the brother.
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@RobbyBevard:
Who the hell says that? They're like, super underpaid…. when they should be paid like doctors.
Who hates public employees and schools and paying for them? You know who.
@Monkey:
These types of people in America have had lots of power since roughly Ronald Reagan was first elected.
And they are at last on the verge, if not the start already, of a violent sudden cultural decline into utter irrelevance and political oblivion.
And I am going to watch them shrivel up and sink down the drain, every second of it, every detail, and make sure to memorize every inch of the horror in their eyes as it happens.
I'll be right there with you, man. Right there with you.
It's horrible to say but these events are always cut and paste… Newscasters always bring up a quote by a local about how they thought their town was the safest place on earth... It's always the same shock. This must be having a terrible effect of kids in school everywhere, I can't even imagine. It's so terrible..
The more I hear about this, the more disgusted I get. I was thinking about what would have happened if all this was avoided, and the factors that could have all lead to this event not happening. Then I thought about what would have happened in the event that the killer didn't take his own life. What would have happened, really? Would the public's including myself anger would be enough to warrant a death penalty, or would there be a side that would let this guy slide for years due to our great advances in pitiful sympathetic mental science? Along with other things, I'm heavily conflicted since what was done, was done and there's no changing things. I can't help but be disgusted and nothing much else. I can't even be mad by how the media is exploiting this event either.
The focus should be less on the murderer and more on the victims, in my opinion. The media always latches onto the killer because he gets ratings, but it's always the legacy of horror and trauma he leaves behind that weighs far more important than his just desserts.
@Monkey:
I can't get over that this is apparently the worst ever.
Worst in America for sure.
For the world, Andrew Breivik's 70 kids massacre shooting in Norway from last year is still fresh in mind. :sad:
Worst in America for sure.
For the world, Andrew Breivik's 70 kids massacre shooting in Norway from last year is still fresh in mind. :sad:
Did they ever have a reasonable explanation for how he managed such a feat?
It was on an remote small island, full of boyscouts and girlscouts, with nowhere to go.
He basically picked the absolute best possible place to get a high head count. Some people are really, really sick. :(